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Ju'rek
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Posted - 2006.06.30 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ju''rek on 30/06/2006 18:53:18
 Originally by: Laocoon
umm that's what we're saying. we expect Veto members to pod their own mothers on sight, infact. (this may, or may not infact be true  )
Laocoon you n00b, were you one of the folks getting blown to bits?
And I hope you are more fond of former corpmates than your mother 
P.S. - give me a shout when you reach -10 
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Laocoon
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Posted - 2006.06.30 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ju'rek
Edited by: Ju''rek on 30/06/2006 18:53:18
Originally by: Laocoon
umm that's what we're saying. we expect Veto members to pod their own mothers on sight, infact. (this may, or may not infact be true )
Laocoon you n00b, were you one of the folks getting blown to bits?
And I hope you are more fond of former corpmates than your mother
P.S. - give me a shout when you reach -10
dont bet on it ♥
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Amarr Citizen 154
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Posted - 2006.06.30 20:09:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176228&page=1
I thought I remembered something similar happening before with regard to Leilani. Perhaps some people never learn.....
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.30 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 154
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176228&page=1
I thought I remembered something similar happening before with regard to Leilani. Perhaps some people never learn.....
heh
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goazer
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Posted - 2006.07.01 23:31:00 -
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i dont see the problem behind vetos post. Wether people think pirating is wrong in the first place so this guy did the "right thing" or not isnt the issue.
This guy violated his corps policy, you always need to know your corpmates got your back. The loss of the ishkur isnt the issue its the betrayal by a friend.
Not to say this guy was wrong cause he was put in the position of what friend to Backup but its all a game if the guy was really his friend he would have understood.
Also everyone makes posts public that someone somewhere feels isnt important enough to be posted on a public forum. The point of this forum is to further the eve community which this post does in how small or large a way i dont know but thats why the forum is here.
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Lefevre
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Posted - 2006.07.02 00:01:00 -
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Verone you are starting to remind me off Zarquon Beeblebrox back when she was leading Teddybears at our prime time. We had similar issues such as this and irrc it was solved in exactly the same way including a message to the general population of eve similar to this one.
I personally think you did the right thing and your corp has gained standing in my book for handling the situation this way.
I wish you good luck in the future.. you're trying to do a thing that is very rare in eve these days.
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.07.02 01:39:00 -
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While it makes sense to drop the member at that point (I would do the same to any Sanguine member refusing to engage when ordered), I'm not sure it was necessary to put up the post on EVE-O.
Anyway, good luck to both parties.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lefevre
Verone you are starting to remind me off Zarquon Beeblebrox back when she was leading Teddybears at our prime time. We had similar issues such as this and irrc it was solved in exactly the same way including a message to the general population of eve similar to this one.
I personally think you did the right thing and your corp has gained standing in my book for handling the situation this way.
I wish you good luck in the future.. you're trying to do a thing that is very rare in eve these days.
I'm flattered being even compared to Zarquon to be honest.
Thank you for the support, it's much appreciated.
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Plim
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:35:00 -
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Zarq didn't have to try to damn hard.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.07.02 19:05:00 -
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friends over corp anytime too, however I'd speak to my members about it to get 100% clarification.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.07.02 19:46:00 -
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If you can't fire at old friends, they are not true friends
Corp before anything else in my book
You Will Cry My Name
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:15:00 -
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Orders can be discussed after execution.
I`m with Nira Li in that question. I shot many friends in MMORPG`s, and after that we had a good laugh, when met in RL.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:47:00 -
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Veto I totally agree with you here, when a person joins a corp they in effect swear alliegence to that corp and their corp mates. I have many in game friends, many who are red to me and that doesn't stop any of us shooting each other. My corp bonds transcend those to eve friends when it comes to who to shoot every time.
Sorry Leilani but you did wrong, your loyalty has to be to the corp else how can they trust each other to back each other up? You could join a freelance corp where you can do what you want but helping an enemy will still get you kicked I would think. We have shared corps in the past and have met in real life but I will still lock and fire as fast as I could if I saw you, doesn't mean I consider ou any less of an EvE friend.
In fact as Evil Thug said fighting with friends is a lot better, for example FIX came down to our space with about 40, we assembled a gang to match had maybe 50 (maybe a bit more) in our gang, we chased a bit, they setup at optimal at the other side and we jumped in. Had a great fight and afterwards had a great chat with Entilza Valen about it, much better than fighting someone who you don't know.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.07.03 11:48:00 -
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This isn't the first time that this pilot has behaved in this way. In the dim and distant past a very similar situation arose, where a hostile was being warned of danger from Leilani's own corp mates. Now while I don't agree with his actions then or now, or in the way that he was dealt with at the time, the Veto actions here appear appropriate.
If a pilot joins a corp but their principles dictate that they will not engage certain individuals, the pilot should state this clearly before joining and it should be clear for all to see who these individuals are (and for the corp to decide if they want that kind of baggage). To enter battle considering that you have a certain force with you, only to discover that part of your force is unwilling to engage is unacceptable and is something no corp mates should suffer.
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2006.07.03 13:19:00 -
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At the end of the day it comes down to the pilots own opinion. You can all say i did wrong, but who is the only one to make the decision? me. If i decide i dont want to shoot someone i'm not going to shoot them. Simple as that. If you think that's wrong so be it, i don't care.
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James Snowscoran
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Posted - 2006.07.03 15:24:00 -
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Good to see Veto. is still going strong.
For the people who claim this isn't worthy of a post, you could always check the link where Leilani made a whine thread claiming Freeks were backstabbers after getting the boot in a situation similiar to this one.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
At the end of the day it comes down to the pilots own opinion. You can all say i did wrong, but who is the only one to make the decision? me. If i decide i dont want to shoot someone i'm not going to shoot them. Simple as that. If you think that's wrong so be it, i don't care.
That is very correct but don't expect to join a corp where teamwork is the name of the game as not helping to defeat an enemy of the corporation when your corp mate is in trouble is betraying the trust they hold in you.
President
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Levicus
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Posted - 2006.07.03 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Pirating under sentry fire in a ishkur, isn't that the kind of dumb pilots you get from sniggwaffe?
Hey! I resemble that remark! 
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.07.04 11:15:00 -
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Your mates eh?
I'd shoot them.....Already have several times now, sure they call you a ******* the next day, but so what, at least they realise its just a game, and its just for the craic, no permanent harm done.
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Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2006.07.04 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tecam Hund on 04/07/2006 22:01:42
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Leilani Solaris
At the end of the day it comes down to the pilots own opinion. You can all say i did wrong, but who is the only one to make the decision? me. If i decide i dont want to shoot someone i'm not going to shoot them. Simple as that. If you think that's wrong so be it, i don't care.
That is very correct but don't expect to join a corp where teamwork is the name of the game as not helping to defeat an enemy of the corporation when your corp mate is in trouble is betraying the trust they hold in you.
Yes, but the issue here isn't that Leilani got kicked from the corp. Almost any corporation would kick a person for that. The problem is that Leilani is the only person to make the choice and nobody can judge if its right or if it is wrong. Now we have a drama here over nothing and public humiliation, if you can call it so, also for nothing.
Issues like that must stay internal if CEO of the corp respects its members. I personally think that Verone went on a power trip here by judging what he has no right to judge and making it public (just to clarify I don't mean kicking Leilani, but publicly accusing him of what isn't neccessarily wrong).
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.07.05 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund
Edited by: Tecam Hund on 04/07/2006 22:01:42
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Leilani Solaris
stuff
Issues like that must stay internal if CEO of the corp respects its members. I personally think that Verone went on a power trip here by judging what he has no right to judge and making it public (just to clarify I don't mean kicking Leilani, but publicly accusing him of what isn't neccessarily wrong).
Don't get me wrong, I think Verone is weak sauce BUT the idea of a leader acting as leader is not a power trip. If Veto feels it's something to be announced, then show it shall. Who are you to say otherwise? I mean personaly, this is something another corp might want to know. It's very hard to do a background check on people you recruit. So to whoever took this chap. Good call on recruiting quanity not quality IMHO.
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Je'hira Osiris
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Posted - 2006.07.05 09:11:00 -
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ppl that have friends outside of the corp need to ask them to either move away or join. i would not tolerate this actions from my corp and i dont beleive any of the people with the corp would leave another memeber to die. I have attacked my rl friends in the game and have lost ships to them.
the point is if you dont 100% trust the ppl you r flying with you will loose.
Do whats best for the corp.....
Respect can be found for your enemy.... its jus a case of how hard you wanna look...
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Je'hira Osiris
ppl that have friends outside of the corp need to ask them to either move away or join. i would not tolerate this actions from my corp and i dont beleive any of the people with the corp would leave another memeber to die. I have attacked my rl friends in the game and have lost ships to them.
the point is if you dont 100% trust the ppl you r flying with you will loose.
Do whats best for the corp.....
That's why i'm not in your corp  I've actually joined Gareitonis' corp (who was the solo thron pilot that i wouldn't engage) and i was planning on joining the corp before all of the stuff kicked off. Tell me, if you were planning on leaving a corp to join a friend, then that friend came to your system and attacked the corp you were planning on leaving anyway, would you still attack him? What would the point in that be?
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Originally by: Je'hira Osiris
ppl that have friends outside of the corp need to ask them to either move away or join. i would not tolerate this actions from my corp and i dont beleive any of the people with the corp would leave another memeber to die. I have attacked my rl friends in the game and have lost ships to them.
the point is if you dont 100% trust the ppl you r flying with you will loose.
Do whats best for the corp.....
That's why i'm not in your corp I've actually joined Gareitonis' corp (who was the solo thron pilot that i wouldn't engage) and i was planning on joining the corp before all of the stuff kicked off. Tell me, if you were planning on leaving a corp to join a friend, then that friend came to your system and attacked the corp you were planning on leaving anyway, would you still attack him? What would the point in that be?
Yep, the fun and the laugh after is what makes it worth
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BirdBleed
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: BirdBleed on 06/07/2006 16:18:35
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 05/07/2006 15:16:23
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Issues like that must stay internal if CEO of the corp respects its members. I personally think that Verone went on a power trip here by judging what he has no right to judge and making it public (just to clarify I don't mean kicking Leilani, but publicly accusing him of what isn't neccessarily wrong).
Don't get me wrong, I think Verone is weak sauce BUT the idea of a leader acting as leader is not a power trip. If Veto feels it's something to be announced, then show it shall. Who are you to say otherwise? I mean personaly, this is something another corp might want to know. It's very hard to do a background check on people you recruit. So to whoever took this chap. Good call on recruiting quanity not quality IMHO.
get a clue noob, leilani pwns you. Maybe if you step out of your little hole you will see that YOU sir are in the quantity group :P
TBH Veto was just a fling, leilani wanted to pirate so he joined a pirate corp, i doubt his loyalties ever strayed from his true allies in this game. Yes its lame what he did, but veto are pirates so who gives a ****.
This thread should be on veto private boards not in public forums, the only reason its here is because veto are ****ed off.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: BirdBleed
Edited by: BirdBleed on 06/07/2006 16:18:35
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 05/07/2006 15:16:23
Quote:
Issues like that must stay internal if CEO of the corp respects its members. I personally think that Verone went on a power trip here by judging what he has no right to judge and making it public (just to clarify I don't mean kicking Leilani, but publicly accusing him of what isn't neccessarily wrong).
Don't get me wrong, I think Verone is weak sauce BUT the idea of a leader acting as leader is not a power trip. If Veto feels it's something to be announced, then show it shall. Who are you to say otherwise? I mean personaly, this is something another corp might want to know. It's very hard to do a background check on people you recruit. So to whoever took this chap. Good call on recruiting quanity not quality IMHO.
get a clue noob, leilani pwns you. Maybe if you step out of your little hole you will see that YOU sir are in the quantity group :P
TBH Veto was just a fling, leilani wanted to pirate so he joined a pirate corp, i doubt his loyalties ever strayed from his true allies in this game. Yes its lame what he did, but veto are pirates so who gives a ****.
This thread should be on veto private boards not in public forums, the only reason its here is because veto are ****ed off.
I'm in a small corp lead by myself. While you were mining in all those indust corps you were apart of, I was killing people. Ignorance is bliss.
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BirdBleed
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Posted - 2006.07.07 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Originally by: BirdBleed
Edited by: BirdBleed on 06/07/2006 16:18:35
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 05/07/2006 15:16:23
Quote:
Issues like that must stay internal if CEO of the corp respects its members. I personally think that Verone went on a power trip here by judging what he has no right to judge and making it public (just to clarify I don't mean kicking Leilani, but publicly accusing him of what isn't neccessarily wrong).
Don't get me wrong, I think Verone is weak sauce BUT the idea of a leader acting as leader is not a power trip. If Veto feels it's something to be announced, then show it shall. Who are you to say otherwise? I mean personaly, this is something another corp might want to know. It's very hard to do a background check on people you recruit. So to whoever took this chap. Good call on recruiting quanity not quality IMHO.
get a clue noob, leilani pwns you. Maybe if you step out of your little hole you will see that YOU sir are in the quantity group :P
TBH Veto was just a fling, leilani wanted to pirate so he joined a pirate corp, i doubt his loyalties ever strayed from his true allies in this game. Yes its lame what he did, but veto are pirates so who gives a ****.
This thread should be on veto private boards not in public forums, the only reason its here is because veto are ****ed off.
I'm in a small corp lead by myself. While you were mining in all those indust corps you were apart of, I was killing people. Ignorance is bliss.
practise what you preach You sir are the ignorant 1, you dont know leilani and you dont know me, think pefore you post next time, it might get you somewhere :P
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.07.07 03:13:00 -
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I don't need to know you to read your corp history of industry corps. Nothing ignorant about what's fact. On the other hand, calling people "noobs" when you obviously are "new" to combat based on your corp histroy is pretty ignorant. If I'm wrong and all those corps that say "We are a industry corp". Then please accept my sorries. Other than that, you and her are new to our domain of piracy.
So before you start saying "You don't know me, you ignorant1128+3=5 nubzbbq". Remember, I'm going off fact and you're going off assumption.
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.07.07 07:50:00 -
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(Veto still has roughly 600m worth of his assets in our possession and are currently in the process of making sure they're safely returned to him.)
you should give an amount total to the loss of which the guys who where betrayed lost.
That is not tolerated in my corp and ill be sure to let all my men know you leave a corp member in battle like that ill kill you myself. If he liked that other guy so much he should of joined his corp instead of yours. 
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.07.07 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund
Edited by: Tecam Hund on 04/07/2006 22:01:42
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Leilani Solaris
At the end of the day it comes down to the pilots own opinion. You can all say i did wrong, but who is the only one to make the decision? me. If i decide i dont want to shoot someone i'm not going to shoot them. Simple as that. If you think that's wrong so be it, i don't care.
That is very correct but don't expect to join a corp where teamwork is the name of the game as not helping to defeat an enemy of the corporation when your corp mate is in trouble is betraying the trust they hold in you.
Yes, but the issue here isn't that Leilani got kicked from the corp. Almost any corporation would kick a person for that. The problem is that Leilani is the only person to make the choice and nobody can judge if its right or if it is wrong. Now we have a drama here over nothing and public humiliation, if you can call it so, also for nothing.
right/wrong whatever it's a very emo thing to do 
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Issues like that must stay internal if CEO of the corp respects its members. I personally think that Verone went on a power trip here by judging what he has no right to judge and making it public (just to clarify I don't mean kicking Leilani, but publicly accusing him of what isn't neccessarily wrong).
reminds me of a corp thief thread, they are dont trust this person with hanger access threads this is don't trust this person in a gang thread
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