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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:10:00 -
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Here's a situation for you Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve player.
Hard day at work - you want to unwind - have some personal time. After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships.
You play Eve to relax - but you like to achieve progress in whatever you do.
You have played Eve for a while, you understand how to stay in your pod, make ships to fight in and make ISK to buy more stuff cos those internet ships cost.
You know how to mine, know how to manufacture, how to mission and plex and you enjoy spending time doing ISK making stuff with your corp.
Expanding is an option - but what to do.
Then you read an article and realise that you cannot expand because of the current situation in Eve. Your corp doesn't want to join them because they are known scammers, and although their tactics for exploiting the game are impressive - douchbags are still douchbags.
Time to move on?
Oh - the article?
http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-nullsecs-high-bar
Say no more....
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Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
2048
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:16:00 -
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If you define expanding and having fun in EVE solely as gaining sov, and you don't want to join any corp/alliance who is large or powerful enough (including allies) to do something like that, then yes, all is futile.
I am playing EVE very casually, and I am in a corp and alliance I'd call medium-sized at best, compared to what I see elsewhere number-wise. More like a small alliance. We still have sov, even if not a lot, and I am accepted and welcome despite my casual playing.
Aside from that I am pretty sure there is tons of other stuff one can do in EVE which has nothing to do with SOV nullsec.
Edit: grammar |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
7906
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:22:00 -
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O...k? Your point, if any?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
2087
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:25:00 -
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I don't think that narrow view of expanding in the game has affected players like Chribba.
There are other examples of player built empires and near monopolies that don't involve holding sov (eg. frog freight services, somer, EOH, etc.).
Sov is not necessarily the end game.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12254
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:54:00 -
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Sov is just one castle in the sandbox, there's plenty of other castles. It all comes down to what type of castle you want.
/c
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:57:00 -
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OP wants to gain sov by killing boars in a forest all day. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
144
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:02:00 -
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Wormholes and lowsec are there for you. Not only more accessible to smaller groups, but also infinitely more fun.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5559
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:07:00 -
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Then you read a thread & realise that no matter how simple the words are, some people just can't read properly.
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Don Purple
303
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:09:00 -
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Some castles are not meant for relaxing.
I am just here to snuggle. |
Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:10:00 -
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Klandi wrote:Here's a situation for you Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve player.
Hard day at work - you want to unwind - have some personal time. After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships.
You play Eve to relax - but you like to achieve progress in whatever you do.
This right here is your problem. You're focused on good times and happy memories with your internet friends. Your competition is focused on winning.
Klandi wrote:
Then you read an article and realise that you cannot expand because of the current situation in Eve. Your corp doesn't want to join them because they are known scammers, and although their tactics for exploiting the game are impressive - douchbags are still douchbags.
Again, you're focused on good times while they're focused on winning. Calling your competition names doesn't change the fact that they're winning and you're not.
If you want to expand beyond your current EvE existence, then stop playing for good times with your friends and start playing to win. Or just accept the fact that you're a loser like the rest of us. |
Delt0r Garsk
Sanctuary of Shadows
Honorable Third Party
138
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:56:00 -
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Fun PvP! really just for fun. Cheap ships public fleets. Never gets old. I mean i even have funny deaths!
But tonight is a pos bash... Oh well. |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
192
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:56:00 -
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Eleanor ....
In a GAME where WINNING is impossible - how does one WIN?
I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
304
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:58:00 -
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SOV is terrible. aside from having your name on the map it is totally pointless. There's a reason why PL rents out all their SOV rather than living in it.
Consider yourself lucky. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
181
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:00:00 -
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It seems I missed the ccp message that said "You win eve by..."
Eve is a sandbox, if you want to win something somehow you first -¦have to decide what you want to win. There is no global winning condition. But if winning for you means to have sov, but you are unwilling to do what needs to be done to get sov then well that sucks for you...I guess. |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
299
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:02:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:If you define expanding and having fun in EVE solely as gaining sov, and you don't want to join any corp/alliance which is large or powerful enough (including allies) to do something like that, then yes, all is futile.
I am playing EVE very casually, and I am in a corp and alliance I'd call medium-sized at best, compared to what I see elsewhere number-wise. More like a small alliance. We still have sov, even if not a lot, and I am accepted and welcome despite my casual playing.
Aside from that I am pretty sure there is tons of other stuff one can do in EVE which has nothing to do with SOV nullsec.
Edit: grammar I like your new portrait.
It looks so brutal and kind of blood thirsty. :D
Sexy! :D
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
724
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:07:00 -
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Klandi wrote:Eleanor ....
In a GAME where WINNING is impossible - how does one WIN?
There is no universally acceptable way to 'win' Eve. But this doesn't mean there is no competition and no goals to achieve. You could say that thanks to the open way EvE plays, the competition is much more cut-throat then most other MMO's that have defined goals like max level or top gear raids.
In EvE, the goals are many & diverse, sov is just one of those, marketplay another, etc. To be the among the best in any given goal in EvE, you need to dedicate alot of time for it. However, there's plenty of corporations out there who don't aim to be 'The Best' but aim for fun times (note, The Best players can also be fun to hang out with, as you all share a common goal, they're just more dedicated)
In the end, you have to decide what you want in eve: To be the best? Then you'll have to sacrifice some things in order to achieve it. Want to play it for good times with friends and relaxed play, you also have to make choices.
Just as in real-life, you cannot be succesful and have a laid-back life at the same time.
PS: I'm competing in the EvE reporting business, while I'm not yet in the league of the big boys, I managed to carve out my niche, it just needs some dedication & help from friends. So yes, there's more, much more then just Sov to compete over!
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Lachra
Union of Labor
88
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:12:00 -
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Klandi wrote:After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships...
So you're a casual player, like me. Where does wresting & holding Sov come into enjoying the game? Envying the wealth and assets of the hardcore playerbase will just lead you to misery.
TLDR; enjoy the game. |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
192
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:16:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Just as in real-life, you cannot be successful and have a laid-back life at the same time.
I have started asking what people mean when they say certain words, and so now I will ask you.
What is your definition of successful
and then...
How do you define success in Eve
then to top that all off, please do the same with "a laid-back life"
I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
479
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:20:00 -
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W-Space doesn't have supers... just saying.
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Sodabro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
745
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:20:00 -
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as a Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve Player,
tl;dr
who wants lemon soda? only 100 ISK ! |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
192
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:25:00 -
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Lachra wrote:Klandi wrote:After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships... So you're a casual player, like me. Where does wresting & holding Sov come into enjoying the game? Envying the wealth and assets of the hardcore playerbase will just lead you to misery.
Don't get me wrong Lachra, I enjoy the people first and the game second - I can build sandcastles with Chribba!! but I suppose what I am commenting on is as Mittani puts it ..
Quote " You want to try to build up a capital group in lowsec? Good luck deploying against a tower without someone in a bloc finding out and dropping a pile of bored supercarrier pilots on you. You want to build up or buy enough supers that you can take down sov structures without seriously questioning your life choices? You need to have more than a bloc can destroy to prevent them dropping on you - which means you essentially must be a bloc already"
So I must now say that type and choice of sandcastle is limited due to the requirement of space to put up said sandcastle. Wealth and assets are lower priority - enough to have fun is good enough but I have no aspirations to take-over any sov
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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:26:00 -
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Its hard for me to say this i have found myself agreeing with mittans not once but twice this week.......
first his idea for a gated area for new players and now his supercap benchmark (for the most part at least)
problem is if you get rid of ALL supers eve inherently reverts back to N+1 the side with the most pilots are likely going to win in the long run yes smaller groups might get the odd win but there not gonna win the war.
instead of it being who has the most supers in will be who can field the most carriers/ dreads. granted its a lot easier to get a carrier than a supercarrier, both in terms of building/buying it and affording it. But will it change null sec? no dont be silly both N3/pl and the cfc can field full fleets of carriers with ease.
the problem is where it always have been in the way sov works to begin with. sov needs a complete rework for anything to change.
N+1 shouldn't be the be all and end all, yes it should help but it shouldn't give you a automatic victory like it currently does.
after all whats the point even turning up to a fight if your out numbered 5-1 may as well just give me your isk and self destruct ya pod i will give your 70% back and say heres your insurance and save you the time of flying there just to die in the first place
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1278
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:36:00 -
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Klandi wrote:Here's a situation for you Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve player.
Hard day at work - you want to unwind - have some personal time. After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships.
You play Eve to relax - but you like to achieve progress in whatever you do. If you have a job and a family and play EVE to relax, how can you possibly beat thousands of players that have 10x more spare time than you do?
You would just repeatedly DIAF even if only rifters were allowed in null.
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Llawa
Exiled Kings
The Fearless Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:40:00 -
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That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.
I feel unusual.
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta
Brawls Deep
80
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:41:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Klandi wrote:Here's a situation for you Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve player.
Hard day at work - you want to unwind - have some personal time. After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships.
You play Eve to relax - but you like to achieve progress in whatever you do. If you have a job and a family and play EVE to relax, how can you possibly beat thousands of players that have 10x more spare time than you do? You would just repeatedly DIAF even if only rifters were allowed in null.
Wormholes
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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:42:00 -
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Llawa wrote:That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.
I feel unusual.
i no right kinda like u need a shower but u just cant seam to get clean |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
192
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:42:00 -
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Llawa wrote:That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.
I feel unusual.
Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time
I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
307
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:45:00 -
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Klandi wrote:Llawa wrote:That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.
I feel unusual.
Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time
You say that like he's never had a good idea about the direction of EVE. Go back and read some of his commentary on EVE around about the time of the Incarna debacle. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5580
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:47:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Klandi wrote:Llawa wrote:That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.
I feel unusual.
Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time You say that like he's never had a good idea about the direction of EVE. Go back and read some of his commentary on EVE around about the time of the Incarna debacle.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
479
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:48:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Klandi wrote:Llawa wrote:That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.
I feel unusual.
Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time You say that like he's never had a good idea about the direction of EVE. Go back and read some of his commentary on EVE around about the time of the Incarna debacle.
I think even pigeons knew how to constructively criticize Incarna. 
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