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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:56:00 -
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As many of you will know I recently released the following article detailing the moon goo inside of the 0.3 and below system moons within the Heimatar region and who had POS's anchored on the moons.
I am following up this content creation with the first ever post/poll on my new blog which can be found at;
IF YOU COULD KICK ANY ALLIANCE OUT OF THEIR SOV SPACE WHICH WOULD IT BE?
This is the first of many posts to come and signifies the route in which my content creation will go down in the future, major blocs beware!! |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
989
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:06:00 -
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Is CONCORD an alliance? |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
16
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:09:00 -
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it is technically an NPC alliance/faction but it isn't listed on my poll :P |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
989
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:10:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:it is technically an NPC alliance/faction but it isn't listed on my poll :P Damn. The little anarchist in me is sad now.
E: personally I would like to see some renter alliances on the list. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2907
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:11:00 -
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CODE. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2130
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:12:00 -
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A poll is about the most action people are willing to take.
Very few will take even the first step to actually make things happen. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
16
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:16:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:A poll is about the most action people are willing to take.
Very few will take even the first step to actually make things happen.
I'm one of the few man ;) I've nothing to lose anymore and I thought it was time to create the content others were too scared to. |
Jeremy Fischer1
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
4
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:22:00 -
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Why would I want to kick content out of Catch? No one, I enjoy killing all of you. Pretty much everyone out here feels the same way, otherwise they wouldn't be here. |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
79
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:22:00 -
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^ All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
16
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:25:00 -
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Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Why would I want to kick content out of Catch? No one, I enjoy killing all of you. Pretty much everyone out here feels the same way, otherwise they wouldn't be here.
What do you mean killing all of you, I'm not in the HERO coalition man. But yeah sounds like there's a lot of pew pew going on but I want to break the sov holding alliances down into multiple smaller ones which have less blues. Don't you think that would create more content? |
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Jeremy Fischer1
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
4
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:29:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Why would I want to kick content out of Catch? No one, I enjoy killing all of you. Pretty much everyone out here feels the same way, otherwise they wouldn't be here. What do you mean killing all of you, I'm not in the HERO coalition man. But yeah sounds like there's a lot of pew pew going on but I want to break the sov holding alliances down into multiple smaller ones which have less blues. Don't you think that would create more content? Not really, people who rely on those bigger coalitions would be wiped out. The current situation out here is fine, tons of content every day. Just got back from a op with 450 blues in system to push the Russians back out where they belong. There's a reason why these coalitions are out here. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1944
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:30:00 -
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Posting in a thread... EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
16
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:33:00 -
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Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:Why would I want to kick content out of Catch? No one, I enjoy killing all of you. Pretty much everyone out here feels the same way, otherwise they wouldn't be here. What do you mean killing all of you, I'm not in the HERO coalition man. But yeah sounds like there's a lot of pew pew going on but I want to break the sov holding alliances down into multiple smaller ones which have less blues. Don't you think that would create more content? Not really, people who rely on those bigger coalitions would be wiped out. The current situation out here is fine, tons of content every day. Just got back from a op with 450 blues in system to push the Russians back out where they belong. There's a reason why these coalitions are out here.
That's what i'm saying, eventually it wouldn't be only one alliance/bloc to fall but the general public would band together to wipe out all the major alliances/blocs. I know you can get blues to turn up and help but the idea i'm trying to push is for the sov itself to be owned by more alliances instead of a few alliances owning all the sov.
Imagine if the renters rose up and actually took their sov instead of paying to live there. |
Edmond Lewis
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:45:00 -
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an infestation of roaches is not an alliance |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
16
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:48:00 -
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Edmond Lewis wrote:an infestation of roaches is not an alliance
CODE. also does not own sov man it's an idea, it's hard to kill an idea but it's easy to take things away from groups like null sec sov holders i.e. their sov/stations. |
Ingrid Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:01:00 -
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Goonswarm |
Mita Mayaki
Intercranial Fecalated Pilots Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:04:00 -
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Northern Associates |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
447
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:04:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote: IF YOU COULD KICK ANY ALLIANCE OUT OF THEIR SOV SPACE WHICH WOULD IT BE?
Yours. Turrents |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:06:00 -
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Glathull wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: IF YOU COULD KICK ANY ALLIANCE OUT OF THEIR SOV SPACE WHICH WOULD IT BE?
Yours.
You're welcome to take the sov we don't own. |
Zarabeth Khardula
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:07:00 -
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Goons
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:12:00 -
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Zarabeth Khardula wrote:Goons
The poll with the alliances I've listed is on the big link In the original post :) |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2907
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:15:00 -
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Edmond Lewis wrote:an infestation of roaches is not an alliance Don't be silly.. .. when everything else is gone .. |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
138
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:15:00 -
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CODE. currently has no designs on nullsec. You need things like tanking skills, pinging devices, a basic comprehension of "aligning," and the ability to smile while eating a political ****-sandwich.
We proudly say "no" to all those things. Between Ignorance and Wisdom |
Fix Lag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
781
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:19:00 -
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Voted goons
Was disappointed with the lack of checkbox CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:21:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Voted goons
Was disappointed with the lack of checkbox
Who would you have liked to see on the poll checkbox? |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3728
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:22:00 -
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All of them? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:34:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:All of them? That would take up too much space on the checkbox, I chose a few alliances I would class as the more capable at replacing their lost super carriers and titans.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12380
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:39:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Fix Lag wrote:Voted goons
Was disappointed with the lack of checkbox Who would you have liked to see on the poll checkbox?
Checkbox Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kimioso Aysen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:43:00 -
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Voted goons. Went hog wild. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2133
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:08:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a thread... I'm not convinced. More evidence needed. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10864
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:31:00 -
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it's amazing how many people want us kicked out of our space but won't lift a finger to see it happen Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12382
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:35:00 -
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Andski wrote:it's amazing how many people want us kicked out of our space but won't lift a finger to see it happen
At least 50% of that goon vote are goons. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10864
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:37:00 -
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true goons vote checkbox so there are a maximum of 7 goons who have voted there Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3325
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:39:00 -
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SOLAR, The Initiative and Brick Squad. Oh god. |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1021
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:40:00 -
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Found the special ed.
Because CODE isn't a sov holding alliance. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10864
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:41:00 -
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highsec braveheart thread number whokeepscountanyway Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:highsec braveheart thread number whokeepscountanyway
Number 2 and many more to come ;) not so much a highsec dweller though, I spend my time equally between high/low/null. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10864
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:47:00 -
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how many mission runners in dual tanked ravens do you predict you'll rally to your cause Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:51:00 -
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Andski wrote:how many mission runners in dual tanked ravens do you predict you'll rally to your cause I think these dual tank ravens were before my time, care to elaborate on why you seem so fixated with them? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10675
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:59:00 -
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My vote shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7965
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:it's amazing how many people want us kicked out of our space but won't lift a finger to see it happen
Entitlement dictates to them that they deserve your stuff without them having to earn it, because their rationalization is that you do not deserve it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2927
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:04:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Found the special ed. Because CODE isn't a sov holding alliance. I'll try to answer seriously when a serious question is asked. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
28
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:04:00 -
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Northern Associates. Brothers of Tangra Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
If I had to pick just one I'd pick NA. because it would be humorous to see the NC. bunch lose great swathes of space yet again, and be utterly annihilated by the CFC in the ensuing chaos. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:07:00 -
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Talas Dir wrote:Northern Associates. Brothers of Tangra Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
If I had to pick just one I'd pick NA. because it would be humorous to see the NC. bunch lose great swathes of space yet again, and be utterly annihilated by the CFC in the ensuing chaos. NA. isn't just NC. man, nulli secunda and the kadeshi also use northern associates for renting out systems. Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition. |
Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
28
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:08:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition.
Even better |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:18:00 -
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Talas Dir wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition. Even better Exactly ;) if all the renters in that renter program stood up they could claim a part of sov null for themselves, they just feel scared to because they're renters. They need someone to show them they're actually stronger than those who oppress them ;) |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7966
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:20:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Talas Dir wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition. Even better Exactly ;) if all the renters in that renter program stood up they could claim a part of sov null for themselves, they just feel scared to because they're renters. They need someone to show them they're actually stronger than those who oppress them ;)
No, they'd die like dogs. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Talas Dir wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition. Even better Exactly ;) if all the renters in that renter program stood up they could claim a part of sov null for themselves, they just feel scared to because they're renters. They need someone to show them they're actually stronger than those who oppress them ;) No, they'd die like dogs. It's talking like that that makes people scared to actually fight for what they want, this is a game afterall so why should you play under someone's rules that aren't actually the game developers? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7967
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:27:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote: It's talking like that that makes people scared to actually fight for what they want, this is a game afterall so why should you play under someone's rules that aren't actually the game developers?
You misunderstand.
If they could take sov on their own, they wouldn't be renters in the first place.
The reason they play under someone else's rules is because this is a sandbox. The rules are whatever you can enforce with your military might. The various nullsec blocs can enforce the rule that if you want to live there, you have to pay them. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Hiyora Akachi
Yulai Guard Yulai Federation
207
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:29:00 -
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All of them.
Can we kill all the supers too |
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: It's talking like that that makes people scared to actually fight for what they want, this is a game afterall so why should you play under someone's rules that aren't actually the game developers?
You misunderstand. If they could take sov on their own, they wouldn't be renters in the first place. The reason they play under someone else's rules is because this is a sandbox. The rules are whatever you can enforce with your military might. The various nullsec blocs can enforce the rule that if you want to live there, you have to pay them. That is what I am saying. The current null blocs can only enforce it because they scare people into thinking they can't take on their 'military might' the truth of the matter is without the renters supplying them with their 'military might' they wouldn't have anything to enforce their rules with. All it would take is a few months of attritional warfare and I'm sure either the N3 side or CFC sides would fall, maybe even both.
The renter side of the CFC is anything but goonswarm federation itself. The alliances that are a part of the CFC are just the puppets of goons so you could say they are goons version of northern associates, why do you think the renter alliance we see is so small? My theory also explains these financial scandals alliances like fatal ascension are having, I wonder who recieved the Isk? ;) |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7968
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:37:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote: That is what I am saying. The current null blocs can only enforce it because they scare people into thinking they can't take on their 'military might' the truth of the matter is without the renters supplying them with their 'military might' they wouldn't have anything to enforce their rules with. All it would take is a few months of attritional warfare and I'm sure either the N3 side or CFC sides would fall, maybe even both.
You're wrong. The renters genuinely cannot take on the organized forces of the nullsec blocs.
N3 could probably scourge their renters in about a week, kick them back to lowsec with no assets. They can't mount any kind of offensive to take sov with "attritional warfare". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jenni LaCroix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:43:00 -
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Of course Goonswarm is chosen as number one, because people just can't stand the fact that Goon's revenge for how they were treated initially in the game is so harsh, well organized and effective. I personally chose PL, because people that can't do better but hot drop dozens of super capitals to kill one Battlecruisers in low sec, don't really deserve the isk to pilot them to begin with
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5548
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:54:00 -
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Meh. Let null keep circle jerking for another ten years.
What would be fun is driving all their mission and mining bots alts out of Empire.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:13:00 -
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Jenni LaCroix wrote:Of course Goonswarm is chosen as number one, because people just can't stand the fact that Goon's revenge for how they were treated initially in the game is so harsh, well organized and effective. I personally chose PL, because people that can't do better but hot drop dozens of super capitals to kill one Battlecruisers in low sec, don't really deserve the isk to pilot them to begin with
Most of the people who voted goons were goons themselves.
Also, the idea that any number of renters could claim their own space by attrition is laughable as they could not overcome the various blocs super capital supremacy. You might somehow get there by infiltrating the owner corps and then initiating a massive Sov drop like what happened to S2N a while back. But even that didn't work; they ground out several hundred systems in as little as 3 days.
You literally do not have a prayer. |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
172
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:25:00 -
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grrrr goons
Taking my stuff . blowing me up , mocking me.
I should have never choosen n3 :( http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Realm of God Triple Penetration Empire
5198
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:35:00 -
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Hiyora Akachi wrote:All of them. Can we kill all the supers too
This ^^ But if I had to pick one...Goons. |
Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
29
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:37:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Talas Dir wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition. Even better Exactly ;) if all the renters in that renter program stood up they could claim a part of sov null for themselves, they just feel scared to because they're renters. They need someone to show them they're actually stronger than those who oppress them ;)
I think you misunderstand me. Renter scum are a part of what is making null boring and stagnant. It would be an absolute dream if the major blocs one day just decided "**** it" and drive the renters out of null, but this won't happen for a number of different reasons.
I'd rather see new alliances and coalitions spring up that can hold their own, but it's nearly impossible with how things are right now. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1106
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:46:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Talas Dir wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition. Even better Exactly ;) if all the renters in that renter program stood up they could claim a part of sov null for themselves, they just feel scared to because they're renters. They need someone to show them they're actually stronger than those who oppress them ;) No, they'd die like dogs. It's talking like that that makes people scared to actually fight for what they want, this is a game afterall so why should you play under someone's rules that aren't actually the game developers?
Sovereign null would be not be very sovereign if owning it didn't allow you to organize it as you see fit. Also I literally haven't seen a goon in my system in months let alone been oppressed by one.
Renters actually do a lot of small scale pvp, even I scan down people's ships and kill them, but maybe 1 in 100 renter corporations have what it takes to be useful in sovereign warfare. (Ie 30+ people online at the same time +logistics train to resupply ships and redeploy the corp).
If an organization that doesn't currently hold sov but intends to tread the political and military minefield required to get there - I'll sign on as a capital pilot willing to take logistics train responsibilies. It's probably the next stage of my eve career, and I'd enjoy that more than dog piling into a cfc / n3 alliance.
Being kicked out afterwards or failing an invasion is probably not worth fearing as an event. |
Anthar Thebess
592
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Posted - 2014.07.17 07:08:00 -
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Remove SOV! Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
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Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
92
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Posted - 2014.07.17 07:28:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Voted goons
Was disappointed with the lack of checkbox
No checkbox no poll!
btw I voted goons as well, but would settle for having the mittani kicked from goons. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
275
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Posted - 2014.07.17 07:32:00 -
[62] - Quote
Kawaii, OP-chan. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
92
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:05:00 -
[63] - Quote
All of them
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical Ineluctable.
411
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:14:00 -
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Talas Dir wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Talas Dir wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Getting rid of NA. would not only screw over NC. but most of the N3 coalition. Even better Exactly ;) if all the renters in that renter program stood up they could claim a part of sov null for themselves, they just feel scared to because they're renters. They need someone to show them they're actually stronger than those who oppress them ;) I think you misunderstand me. Renter scum are a part of what is making null boring and stagnant. It would be an absolute dream if the major blocs one day just decided "**** it" and drive the renters out of null, but this won't happen for a number of different reasons. I'd rather see new alliances and coalitions spring up that can hold their own, but it's nearly impossible with how things are right now.
Nah renters arent boring. Renters fight more than most of the actual ******* sovholders. Go into a renter nullsec system and theyve got a good chance of fighting within 5-10mins while they grow some balls.
Goons however just sit in station and call backup.(not just goons but hey GrrGoonss lets single them out) |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:15:00 -
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grrr goons? |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1903
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:36:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:47:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:Fix Lag wrote:Voted goons
Was disappointed with the lack of checkbox No checkbox no poll! btw I voted goons as well, but would settle for having the mittani kicked from goons.
Haha I would love to see the mittani kicked also, no one man should have all the power that he does especially in a game. Yes it is a sandbox but when anyone else wants to play the sandbox to the fullest they either have to get his permission or his counterparts on the PL/N3 side.
Might as well just burn them all hey? ;) |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:44:00 -
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I thought it would be funny for Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere to suddenly see their renter backbone sovless. Voted for goons mk 3. The Paradox |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
726
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:03:00 -
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I vote for "Grand alliance for the development of the ideology of psssshhhhh"
I just need to form it first. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:29:00 -
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Christopher AET wrote:I vote for "Grand alliance for the development of the ideology of psssshhhhh"
I just need to form it first. And you'll need to take some sov somehow :P |
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:07:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:I thought it would be funny for Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere to suddenly see their renter backbone sovless. Voted for goons mk 3. Can't wait to see the results from your Deklein moon probing/mapping #CSAA Hunting |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:33:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote: It's talking like that that makes people scared to actually fight for what they want, this is a game afterall so why should you play under someone's rules that aren't actually the game developers?
You misunderstand. If they could take sov on their own, they wouldn't be renters in the first place. The reason they play under someone else's rules is because this is a sandbox. The rules are whatever you can enforce with your military might. The various nullsec blocs can enforce the rule that if you want to live there, you have to pay them. That is what I am saying. The current null blocs can only enforce it because they scare people into thinking they can't take on their 'military might' the truth of the matter is without the renters supplying them with their 'military might' they wouldn't have anything to enforce their rules with. All it would take is a few months of attritional warfare and I'm sure either the N3 side or CFC sides would fall, maybe even both. The renter side of the CFC is anything but goonswarm federation itself. The alliances that are a part of the CFC are just the puppets of goons so you could say they are goons version of northern associates, why do you think the renter alliance we see is so small? My theory also explains these financial scandals alliances like fatal ascension are having, I wonder who recieved the Isk? ;)
How do you wage a campaign of attrition warfare against someone who controls the stations that your assets are in and can lock you out by pushing a button? Where do the renters get the money to fund their campaign of attrition once they lose access to the space they were renting (as in they literally don't have places to put their ships because none of the stations will let them dock)?
This is also assuming that your hypothethetical rental corp is actually a PvP juggernaut in sheep's clothing and that there are enough of them to present a credible threat to 1,000 man fleets. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:03:00 -
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And not to mention that the renters will be fighting against people who have engaged in slogging Sov warfare for years and are well practiced on the logistic side of things and know how to make it as miserable as possible for the enemy. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:19:00 -
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Who said it would be just renters that would fight against the big null alliances and coalitions. I'm sure the more experienced groups would be interested in sticking it to the null alliances especially groups such as MoA and BL. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:31:00 -
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MOA is too busy crying about us squatting in "their" npc null systems and devaluing Mordu's Legion LP by goonrushing the missions and BL aren't interested in dealing with the slog of SOV warfare. As soon as the goodfights evaporated (and they would, because that's how it's done) so too would BL.
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:37:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:MOA is too busy crying about us squatting in "their" npc null systems and devaluing Mordu's Legion LP by goonrushing the missions and BL aren't interested in dealing with the slog of SOV warfare. As soon as the goodfights evaporated (and they would, because that's how it's done) so too would BL.
I'm sure MOA would be interested in getting revenge for you guys squatting in ''their'' npc null systems in some shape or form. As for BL not being interested in SOV warfare i'm sure if it provided good fights without them actually having to hold the SOV they would show up. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:42:00 -
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It's becoming increasingly clear that you have zero practical experience on any aspect of SOV warfare. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:50:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:It's becoming increasingly clear that you have zero practical experience on any aspect of SOV warfare. Haha I know how the current SOV warfare works but that only lasts as long as people stay in the current sized groups they are in and use the same tactics they're using, sure the grinding of structures takes a while with say stealth bombers but imagine if you managed to pull together a 1500 man bomber fleet. I wonder how long it would take 1500 bombers to kill an SBU ;) |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:04:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Arkady Romanov wrote:It's becoming increasingly clear that you have zero practical experience on any aspect of SOV warfare. Haha I know how the current SOV warfare works but that only lasts as long as people stay in the current sized groups they are in and use the same tactics they're using, sure the grinding of structures takes a while with say stealth bombers but imagine if you managed to pull together a 1500 man bomber fleet. I wonder how long it would take 1500 bombers to kill an SBU ;)
The idea of putting together a 1500 man bomber fleet is patently absurd and shows how little you understand about what you are discussing. I mean, don't get me wrong, the CFC could do it if we wanted to but we have no reason to do that. For almost anything you would use bombers for, 150 will do it just as well as 1,500 and you're looking at causing huge burnout among your line members (and by a similar measure, 1,500 bombers in one place aren't dramatically harder to shut down than 150)
The other issue is that bomber fleets grinding down structures can generate timers, but can't actually do anything in the fights that determine victory. Suppose your bomber fleets attacked on of our systems. We could completely ignore them while they online SBUs, then let them spend a week bumping things through various timers, and then just drop a stratop fleet on the last one and all their effort would have been wasted because they can't actually fight us.
This is pretty much what we mean when we say 'zero practical experience'.
PS going by outward appearnces MOA pretty much lives to nurse their hate-boner for us but they're a 1,500 man alliance with no logistical backbone so that's pretty much limited to dropping dumb ratters and getting camped into stations. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:11:00 -
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Yeah thats MOA in a nutshell. Also, grinding Sov structures with 1500 people would take just as long as with 150 because of tidi. Except you **** off 10 times as many people.
We would let you spend all week grinding every single timer, and then rep it in half an hour with a bunch of carriers. Or maybe just play games with the TCU, or set the timers to an unfavorable timezone so you had to alarm clock for every one of them. Or probably all of the above because we are bastards. |
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:16:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:
The idea of putting together a 1500 man bomber fleet is patently absurd and shows how little you understand about what you are discussing. I mean, don't get me wrong, the CFC could do it if we wanted to but we have no reason to do that. For almost anything you would use bombers for, 150 will do it just as well as 1,500 and you're looking at causing huge burnout among your line members (and by a similar measure, 1,500 bombers in one place aren't dramatically harder to shut down than 150)
The other issue is that bomber fleets grinding down structures can generate timers, but can't actually do anything in the fights that determine victory. Suppose your bomber fleets attacked on of our systems. We could completely ignore them while they online SBUs, then let them spend a week bumping things through various timers, and then just drop a stratop fleet on the last one and all their effort would have been wasted because they can't actually fight us.
This is pretty much what we mean when we say 'zero practical experience'.
PS going by outward appearnces MOA pretty much lives to nurse their hate-boner for us but they're a 1,500 man alliance with no logistical backbone so that's pretty much limited to dropping dumb ratters and getting camped into stations.
Ok well lets say the 1500 man bomber fleet wasn't meant to be a permanent entity but was a temporary entity to back the ideas of one man. The only purpose of that fleet would be to then just destroy any structures they came across, and when it came down to the actual SOV structure defensive fleets for the structures that had been put in place of the old ones it would be down to the more established groups who placed the new structures to form up and defend them. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:22:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Yeah thats MOA in a nutshell. Also, grinding Sov structures with 1500 people would take just as long as with 150 because of tidi. Except you **** off 10 times as many people.
We would let you spend all week grinding every single timer, and then rep it in half an hour with a bunch of carriers. Or maybe just play games with the TCU, or set the timers to an unfavorable timezone so you had to alarm clock for every one of them. Or probably all of the above because we are bastards. That's the marvel of letting CCP know where and when with how many people you are going to fighting/attacking structures. Also if enough systems were reinforced then Goonswarm and allies would most likely not be able to defend all of the systems meaning potentially one or two could lose SOV initially.
You then have to think about if someone, maybe myself, can rally so many people from so many different areas of the game to fight entities like the CFC or PL/N3 how many of the alliances would stay loyal to the main alliance within those coalitions. When people think of the CFC they think of Goonswarm as my poll shows and when they think of PL/N3 they only really hate PL, so in theory if either of those coalitions were to become targeted by nearly all of eve then they would only really like to see those two alliances gone. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:27:00 -
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You are welcome to try. But I doubt you'd have any better luck than the ones who came before you.
Harry Forever at least managed to become a scourge of our cyno alts. That's your high water mark. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:31:00 -
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If you think Sov warfare is as easy as getting some dudes together for a weekend and rolling around blowing up any structures you come across I have some disappointing news for you. Have fun hauling, anchoring, and onlining SBUs across the breadth of Deklein I guess.
Ditto if you think forming a massive coalition capable of taking on one of the established powers is as easy as going "Grr [X]" on the EVE-O forums. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:45:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:You are welcome to try. But I doubt you'd have any better luck than the ones who came before you.
Harry Forever at least managed to become a scourge of our cyno alts. That's your high water mark. I've not actually heard of him, i'll have to look into him. If I don't try though of course I have no chance at succeeding :P |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:47:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:If you think Sov warfare is as easy as getting some dudes together for a weekend and rolling around blowing up any structures you come across I have some disappointing news for you. Have fun hauling, anchoring, and onlining SBUs across the breadth of Deklein I guess.
Ditto if you think forming a massive coalition capable of taking on one of the established powers is as easy as going "Grr [X]" on the EVE-O forums. I know what the problems that are going to have to be faced are that's why this is going to be a long term project and i'm not necessarily going for Goonswarm for this. This poll was to test the field on who the public would be most interested in fighting at the current moment in eve history.
Also as for Deklein who said anything about Deklein, if this was to work you would want to take the regions around low sec first so that it makes it near impossible for any Goonswarm logistics to take place. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:56:00 -
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I mean, I'm definitely not saying you shouldn't do this. We're on a pretty long dry spell between wars so more stuff to that involves shooting ships with players inside them is great news. I'm just saying that people with vastly more resources, connections, and experience have tried to destroy us many times and we're still here.
Your most dangerously wrong assumption is that our coalition members are slaves and that if you just pull the wool back a little bit they will realize that the power was in them all along and completely abandon their allegiance to the CFC. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 02:06:00 -
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If you want to bust open Sov null, your best bet is to try HERO space as they are the newest, and therefore most likely to make mistakes that you can exploit. They also don't have the super capital backbone we and N3PL have, and *may* not have the political connections to call in either bloc for support if you somehow actually manage to start taking space.
Your only real chance for success is to find a piece of space which is of no material or strategic value and is currently occupied by a scarecrow. Basically what HERO did to -A- space. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 02:35:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:I mean, I'm definitely not saying you shouldn't do this. We're on a pretty long dry spell between wars so more stuff to that involves shooting ships with players inside them is great news. I'm just saying that people with vastly more resources, connections, and experience have tried to destroy us many times and we're still here.
Your most dangerously wrong assumption is that our coalition members are slaves and that if you just pull the wool back a little bit they will realize that the power was in them all along and completely abandon their allegiance to the CFC. I'm not going to spend much time on our internal politics but the TL:DR is that it doesn't work like that at all and the fundamental concept that makes the CFC work is that we will show up to help each other. If you're going to make plans to attack any individual alliance in the CFC, makes plans to deal with the entirety of the CFC because that's what you're going to be up against should you prove to be a real threat. Haha yeah that's one of my main reasons for doing this man, it will create content that most people want but aren't actually going out to create. They're just posting about the stagnation instead. If Goons/CFC were to be the target I'm sure I could pull some strings I've got up my sleeve ;) (still probably not as good connections as those that have been before me but might be in the right places to get things moving).
I don't assume your coalition members are slaves i'm just saying there's the chance those groups are only in the CFC because of the protection the combined forces can provide if needed. I'm saying if there's enough doubt in the power of Goonswarm to protect their own space maybe the CFC members will notice and throw down their CFC ties. Even if it's to create a different coalition it would still be better then the reputation given to the CFC, in my opinion anyways.
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 02:37:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:If you want to bust open Sov null, your best bet is to try HERO space as they are the newest, and therefore most likely to make mistakes that you can exploit. They also don't have the super capital backbone we and N3PL have, and *may* not have the political connections to call in either bloc for support if you somehow actually manage to start taking space.
Your only real chance for success is to find a piece of space which is of no material or strategic value and is currently occupied by a scarecrow. Basically what HERO did to -A- space. Now that -A- have lost their SOV I don't really see any areas run by smaller entities that wouldn't have the support of the bigger coalitions. This is why in my eyes something needs to be done to downsize these coalitions, if this happened we would see more null sec wars and conflict creating the content people want to get them out of these major stagnation periods. |
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 02:52:00 -
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While Sov mechanics and super caitals/titans exist in their current form, there will be no way to break up the map into smaller fiefdoms. The mega coalition is the evolutionary conclusion. It is a consequence of the game mechanics. Even if internal strife caused either the CFC or N3PL to collapse, it would just eventually be replaced by another mega coalition in time. Probably made up of the same key actors as the previous coalition.
If you want variety in null, Sov overhaul and supercapital changes must occur first. Unfortunately, nobody has any real certain idea how to go about it. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.18 03:16:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:While Sov mechanics and super caitals/titans exist in their current form, there will be no way to break up the map into smaller fiefdoms. The mega coalition is the evolutionary conclusion. It is a consequence of the game mechanics. Even if internal strife caused either the CFC or N3PL to collapse, it would just eventually be replaced by another mega coalition in time. Probably made up of the same key actors as the previous coalition.
If you want variety in null, Sov overhaul and supercapital changes must occur first. Unfortunately, nobody has any real certain idea how to go about it. You see that's what gets me, when people mention the current SOV mechanics being the cause of the mega coalitions. It's not really its more the player base itself has caused the current issues, for example we have 100's if not 1000's of small corps based around high/low/WH space/NPC null which really should not exist, most of them do exactly the same things as each other so might as well all be within the same corp.
Those that aren't in these smaller groups have signed up to the larger entities such as your own alliance and the other alliances associated with CFC mainly because they're the dominant community at the moment. There just needs to be one person to spring up a community that people can sign up to and make a differe |
Kathao Crendraven
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.07.18 11:32:00 -
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Kick Goons now, they're awful
Also hi, how are you all today -á |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
21
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Posted - 2014.07.19 03:05:00 -
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Kathao Crendraven wrote:Kick Goons now, they're awful
Also hi, how are you all today I have no problems with any of the major alliances/blocs this is purely to see who would be a good target for content creation.
Also fine thanks man, today's my 19th birthday :) |
boliano
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
11
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:02:00 -
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Who are the CODE people you talk about?
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1422
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:33:00 -
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Please remove me from the shackles of indentured servitude to sov mechanics. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Jaime Wulfe
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
5
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Posted - 2014.07.23 08:14:00 -
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If u feel like its time to make a change, go ahead. But stop thinking you know how SOV Warfare works. Thats the only way you might learn it in the end. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1155
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:34:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:While Sov mechanics and super caitals/titans exist in their current form, there will be no way to break up the map into smaller fiefdoms. The mega coalition is the evolutionary conclusion. It is a consequence of the game mechanics. Even if internal strife caused either the CFC or N3PL to collapse, it would just eventually be replaced by another mega coalition in time. Probably made up of the same key actors as the previous coalition.
If you want variety in null, Sov overhaul and supercapital changes must occur first. Unfortunately, nobody has any real certain idea how to go about it.
Each systems are linked to a RL corporation and whoever's alliance members contribute the most to this chain's gross income gets SOV in the system.
Supercap are now calssified as modified vessels and a new type of space ploice not try to pull you over when they spot you. You are then given a bunch of beacons you must slowboat to in a pattern and if you accomplish it, you have "evaded" the space police. If not, your super get's impounded. A new solar system called "impound lot" is opened and you can try to steal some from there or pay your fine to get your super back. |
Jaime Wulfe
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
5
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:27:00 -
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You have to be strong enough to conquer space for your alliance. I think that is a better approach than beeing the guy who takes care for his space the most. But ofc i do agree, like it is now, its not good.
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VegasMirage
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
1559
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Posted - 2014.08.31 12:17:00 -
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What is "SOV Space"? no more games... it's real this time!!! |
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Trixie Lawless
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
55
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:14:00 -
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I'm new to the SOV political/power structure, but it seems like in order to have any major entity fall or fracture, the big kids on the playground would have to make the decision to just fight it out to the end.
I'm not privy to business deals or any thing important in null, but I think that the large coalitions are sitting pretty comfortable and don't see the need to take more area.
Yeah HERO is the youngest and probably the best target, but HERO is also creating lots of content with just what's going on now. Crush HERO, a you might cause even more stagnation in the the sov game.
Plus if an entity close to our size came to take away our swingset, I think HERO would out up a hell of a fight and leave the other guy easy pickings for the big blocks.
Plus they wouldn't be able to laugh at the new kid sitting around eating crayons and licking windows anymore.
Just an uninformed newbs perspective. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
518
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:33:00 -
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You don't win Sov wars by turning up and providing a fight. You win by making it incredibly frustrating and a logistical nightmare for the other side so they eventually stop logging in.
Honestly, spies and espionage are the best way to go about it. |
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