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Mrs Mirandin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:41:00 -
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I'll try to keep this short!
I was recently banned from TheMittani.com for responding to a moderator who asked a poster not to use the term "gay" in a derogatory term. The mod in question is a Goonswarm member. I responded and told him to "get his own wiki in check first", as the official Goonswarm wiki is literred with homophobia. I was swiftly removed by The Mittani himself for this comment. Not too surprising, anyone who's read his recent rants can see he is starting to lose his mind .
As such I am now taking to the forums to call this group out on their homophobic (and now hypocritical) nature as an alliance.
This will not be rumor mongering; I will present actual evidence. This will not be troll baiting; posting your disagreements with an alliance in C&P is allowed
Goonswarm are the most powerful alliance in the game. They are the leaders of the top coalition. Do we, as players, really want homophobes and racists leading this great game of ours? There are thousands of you who are members of this coalition. Do you find the following acceptable?
Homophobia: [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~186.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~165.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~164.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/ind~1925.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki2013/how_t~18.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki2013/elitis~3.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~215.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki2013/ccp_st~2.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~840.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki2013/euro_s~2.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki2013/kiatolon.htm[/url]
Racism: [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki2013/goonis~1.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/ind~3824.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki2013/rens0.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/in~50366.htm[/url] [url]http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/ind~1727.htm[/url]
If you'd like to find more examples yourself, hit up Google and type in "site:eveinfo.net *racist/homophobic term*"
It is unfortunate that CCP are unable to do anything about this as it's not on a CCP webpage. You, the members of the CFC can. Have some self-respect and either demand that your leaders fix the wiki up or simply leave the alliances. Is having virtual space to call your own worth the price of supporting such non-sense? |

Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few Break-A-Wish Foundation
20
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:53:00 -
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Grr Goons. Next. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5641
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:15:00 -
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Dear Goonswarm Leadership: Please make more funny pictures, tia. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5641
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:18:00 -
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Also this is a public dumb of our old-old wiki. The information you're throwing around is stuff that hasn't been used since the days of the Great War. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3665
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:21:00 -
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Are you sure those terms are being used in a homophobic way? the first one for example could mean "Goons, Friends of Goons, and bundles of sticks".
2. "You guys knock some ball of seasoned, chopped liver over and start punching them in the head"
3. "These guys apparently were pubbie bundles of sticks that hung around and killed stuff with GoonSwarm"
You get the idea. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:03:00 -
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The description for user "Dungar" is just plain awful lol.
Quote:"Ask(ed) me about jerking off to my own sister, mismanaging wars, shitposting, sounding like a huge ******* nerd on teamspeak, having a dead dad, being universally hated by everyone and being a huge, massive, gargantuan ****** that surpasses any other kind of ****** you've met anywhere ever."
Having a dead dad. Yikes.
+1 agreed OP, GSF members are super-nerds which means they have no backbone, thats why they do nothing about this crap. I think most would agree that it needs to go they are just too puss to do anything about it
, New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5641
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:06:00 -
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And next time just use your main. We already know who you are since we still have access to the API you gave us in February. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
117
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:26:00 -
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There's a problem on the internet these days, of taking every use of ostensibly bigoted language and claiming it's racism or homophobia (or sexism, for that matter).
In point of fact, almost none of this "casual racism/sexism/homophobia" is anything of the sort. It's simply people throwing around these terms because they can get away with it on the internet, and as a form of rebellion against political correctness.
While somewhat immature, pointing out someone using bigoted language these days is almost never a sign of actual bigotry. It's rather a sign that they're trolling everyone else. |

stup idity
55
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:44:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:There's a problem on the internet these days, of taking every use of ostensibly bigoted language and claiming it's racism or homophobia (or sexism, for that matter).
In point of fact, almost none of this "casual racism/sexism/homophobia" is anything of the sort. It's simply people throwing around these terms because they can get away with it on the internet, and as a form of rebellion against political correctness.
While somewhat immature, pointing out someone using bigoted language these days is almost never a sign of actual bigotry. It's rather a sign that they're trolling everyone else.
You are saying people are smart enough to use those words to rebel against society, but they are too dumb to realize that using those words in a derogative manner, even when in a different context, is still racist, homophobe or sexist?
By the way, I don't really like the term 'homophobia'. It doesn't really describe the issue at hand. Maybe we can just call those homophobes (and sexists and racists) assholes, like in the good old days, where it wasn't necessary to define what kind of ******* someone was.
Ok, maybe by suggesting this, I am now guilty of assholephobia... I am the Herald of all beings that are me. |

Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
118
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:06:00 -
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stup idity wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:There's a problem on the internet these days, of taking every use of ostensibly bigoted language and claiming it's racism or homophobia (or sexism, for that matter).
In point of fact, almost none of this "casual racism/sexism/homophobia" is anything of the sort. It's simply people throwing around these terms because they can get away with it on the internet, and as a form of rebellion against political correctness.
While somewhat immature, pointing out someone using bigoted language these days is almost never a sign of actual bigotry. It's rather a sign that they're trolling everyone else. You are saying people are smart enough to use those words to rebel against society, but they are too dumb to realize that using those words in a derogative manner, even when in a different context, is still racist, homophobe or sexist?
It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to use naughty language to rebel against society, nor is the use of offensive or bigoted language to do so necessarily reflective of actual bigotry.
Quote:By the way, I don't really like the term 'homophobia'. It doesn't really describe the issue at hand. Maybe we can just call those homophobes (and sexists and racists) assholes, like in the good old days, where it wasn't necessary to define what kind of ******* someone was.
Ok, maybe by suggesting this, I am now guilty of assholephobia...
I don't like the term either, but it is a coveted tool in victim politics, nonetheless. |
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
752
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:14:00 -
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Mrs Mirandin wrote:stupid garbage

Wow.
Don't know much about the interwebs, do you?
Also, I direct you to 4chan, and have fun there.
Go ahead and post.
I dare you.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Intar Medris
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
214
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:01:00 -
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Did someone get scammed by Goonswarm?
Do you realize Goonswarm is a bunch of people who come from a haven from internet trolls and dicks? Which means naturally they come to EVE and continue being so.
I have reasons to not like them. Main one being that they turnwd Nullsec into the biggest circle jerk in the history of EVE, but complaining on the forums because you got scammed by them because you didn't do your research is just a dumb reason to not like them. They are bunch of trolls who like to get people's panties in a knot. It is what they do besides enjoying the epic circle jerk that is now Nullsec. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5642
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:22:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:Did someone get scammed by Goonswarm?
He was kicked out. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Lt Manshield
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:27:00 -
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Mrs Mirandin wrote::tears:
I didn't realize "I got kicked from goons for being a stupid annoying pubbie" could be stretched into such a long post. |

Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
394
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:29:00 -
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Funny you didn't mind the grr goonies before you got kicked out |

Logan PewPew
Crazy Bird Inc. Caldari Armed Forces.
18
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:35:00 -
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Arguements tend to lose their strength when it becomes obvious that you're doing it only for revenge.
Are Goonswarm members jerks? Maybe, i've never dealt with them.
The better question here is; "Did you really think posting on C&P was going to generate sympathetic ears?"
If you did there is something wrong with you, please go re-post this on Tumblr. |

Chiimera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:41:00 -
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Just because an entity uses a homosexual reference to define something as having a negative connotation it doesn't mean they are homophobic it just means that they have a very limited vocabulary and have wrongly used a noun.
Goonswarm and the greater CFC are one of the most caring and accepting groups I have ever been a proud member of. I personally know and have helped and counselled other members of our coalition who are dealing with their sexuality and it's offensive for you to make these completely untrue allegations.
While I don't condone the use of Gay, ******, ***, Poofter, Lezbo or Carpet Muncher as a negative connotation you are trying to link two very separate things. It is unfortunate that most of us grew up learning these things and carrying them onto adulthood.
So how about you try being an adult, stop being a **** and stop lighting fires because you got shat on for being a tool. |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
860
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:00:00 -
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News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal.
I swear to god if this bulllshit political correct garbage winds its way into the damn games I play, ill shite a chicken, and then hang myself in the shower, with guitar strings. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Chiimera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:09:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal.
I swear to god if this bulllshit political correct garbage winds its way into the damn games I play, ill shite a chicken, and then hang myself in the shower, with guitar strings.
LOL Racism is illegal in some countries and in most workplaces :D |

Logan PewPew
Crazy Bird Inc. Caldari Armed Forces.
19
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:15:00 -
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Chiimera wrote:Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal.
I swear to god if this bulllshit political correct garbage winds its way into the damn games I play, ill shite a chicken, and then hang myself in the shower, with guitar strings. LOL Racism is illegal in some countries and in most workplaces :D
There is a difference between a fireable offense and illegal.
Illegality implies that you'd go to jail for saying something racist. You can have those opinions and even say them openly but it tends to be an "at your own risk" thing especially in the workplace.
I am speaking as an 'murican here.
I guess maybe in some of those uber-socialist european countries it's illegal, like Germany and their post-war reaction to National Socialism. |
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Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
864
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:20:00 -
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Chiimera wrote:Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal.
I swear to god if this bulllshit political correct garbage winds its way into the damn games I play, ill shite a chicken, and then hang myself in the shower, with guitar strings. LOL Racism is illegal in some countries and in most workplaces :D
In the great country of 'Merica, it is not illegal. Immoral maybe, but no, you cant prosecute someone for being racist. Can you fire them from a job for making racist remarks? Yeah, most likely, but you could also fire someone for making a myriad of other types of remarks.
Keep the political correct garbage IRL where it belongs. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Lady Areola Fappington
2080
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:44:00 -
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I'm bout as LGBTQ social justice warrior as you can get, and I'm not even offended by typical GoonTalk.
SA, 4chan, ED, they're all just trying to be 3dgy, tossing around such remarks purely in an attempt to shock and offend as many as possible. It gets an eyeroll from me.
I've met true "I'm going to murder you for being trans(in my case)" LGBTQ-phobia. Goons, they are not that. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
864
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:53:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: LGBTQ .
Q? Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Magnus Cortex
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:01:00 -
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~Let a thousand flowers bloom~
Are you the guy who got purged yesterday? |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
38
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:14:00 -
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this is kind of a weird thread in general and op sounds like a hetero
Chiimera wrote:Just because an entity uses a homosexual reference to define something as having a negative connotation it doesn't mean they are homophobic it just means that they have a very limited vocabulary and have wrongly used a noun.
Goonswarm and the greater CFC are one of the most caring and accepting groups I have ever been a proud member of. I personally know and have helped and counselled other members of our coalition who are dealing with their sexuality and it's offensive for you to make these completely untrue allegations.
While I don't condone the use of Gay, ******, ***, Poofter, Lezbo or Carpet Muncher as a negative connotation you are trying to link two very separate things. It is unfortunate that most of us grew up learning these things and carrying them onto adulthood.
So how about you try being an adult, stop being a **** and stop lighting fires because you got shat on for being a tool. but this is definitely the weirdest thing to come out of it so far
also modern SA has toned down their homophobia and racism significantly in most places outside of subsections like fyad. but apparently it's been purged because i checked the SA forums and it looks like it's gone now? whatever it was funny while it lasted |

Loki106
The Dutch East India Company Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:20:00 -
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Magnus Cortex wrote:~Let a thousand flowers bloom~
Are you the guy who got purged yesterday? Are you talking about the idiot with his titan? |

Lady Areola Fappington
2081
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:32:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: LGBTQ . Q?
Q, as in "*****". Not exactly sure WHAT it stands for, but it's there.
I've been informed by my Social Justice friends that the current acronym is "LGBTQQIAAPO" That's "Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender ***** Questioning Intersex Asexual Antisexual Pansexual Omnisexual".
Yes, I think it's silly too, and there's been discussion about how the needless appropriation of "-sexual"s is diluting and destroying the actual meaning behind the term. It's just, when you get into social justice politics anymore, it's less about social justice, and more about finding new and inventive ways to be superior to another person. "More tolerant than thou" is a thin This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
866
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:35:00 -
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Gotcha.
Death by acronyms  Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
38
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:36:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Q, as in "*****". Not exactly sure WHAT it stands for, but it's there.
I've been informed by my Social Justice friends that the current acronym is "LGBTQQIAAPO" That's "Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender ***** Questioning Intersex Asexual Antisexual Pansexual Omnisexual".
Yes, I think it's silly too, and there's been discussion about how the needless appropriation of "-sexual"s is diluting and destroying the actual meaning behind the term. It's just, when you get into social justice politics anymore, it's less about social justice, and more about finding new and inventive ways to be superior to another person. "More tolerant than thou" is a thin
oh, liberals who think that they're radicals and their identity politics, ha ha ha
tbf, the people who are most invested in that kind of thing tend to be vulnerable young people who already have a lot of problems in their lives, so most of the time making fun of them is needlessly cruel. but op is just making drama for the sake of drama |

Lady Areola Fappington
2081
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:51:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Gotcha. Death by acronyms  Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Asexual Antisexual Pansexual Omnisexual".
Lol what? Asexual meaning non-sexual reproduction? -- Not sure thats possible lol Antisexual meaning they dont want sex at all? They need a group to belong to? Pan/Omni sexual... does that mean you have sex with any/everything? (Looking at that once scene from "American Pie", I guess.) Im so confused.    Also... Thread derailment successful.
Huzzah, derailed!
Like I said, I can't pretend to understand how it works, I just know I've been called a bigot for not supporting it. It really seems to me like the biggest chunk of it is what I call "speshul snowflake" syndrome. Insecure people who can't accept being a part of a "common" group, so they make up a label for themselves, then slap it on a known, established label to gain credibility.
It ends up being really annoying, because the "silly" people ranting about how "demiromanic totes needs to be respected and if you don't know YOU'RE A BIGOT!" drags the actual issues down to that level.
It's hard to have a discussion about, say, transgender people and public bathrooms (actually an issue!), when your detractors can quicklike Google up something silly and throw out "Look at these stupid SJW idiots these are the same people making up fake pronouns!" This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
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Robert Sawyer
NERV Reborn Independent Stars Allied Forces
1
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:04:00 -
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Let us discuss the origin point of Goonswarm. Goonswarm players originated from a hellhole called the Something Awful forums, a beautiful place of trolls, dicks, cyber hobgoblins and so on. Somewhere in 2006 they migrated to EVE Online with only one purpose: wreck the game. Goonswarm quickly started gaining support and, eventually, became Goonswarm Federation. By the time of 2009, Band Of Brothers (BoB), the most powerful alliance at the time, perceived the Federation as a threat, thus beginning the Great Wars. There were two Wars in total. During the first one, BoB and GSF both fought ferociously to kill each other, but the First War ended in a bloody stalemate. By the time of the Second War, GSF had gained the upper hand in the conflict, and more and more corporations broke off to join the Federation, including alliances such as the Northern Coalition. When the end of the Great Wars drew near, the Chairman of BoB himself disbanded the alliance, stating the following: "I like their system better". After these events, the remnants of the BoB were waging a losing war with the titanic forces of the GSF. They suffered an utter defeat, and Band of Brothers bit the dust. Nowadays, Goonswarm and other influential alliances have forged themselves into one, fearless organization: Clusterf*ck Coalition (AKA CFC).
So, I have my own reasons to dislike the Goons. They originate from the lowest scum of the Internet, and most of them still act like that. They have a special talent of making you dislike the game. Example: I was out mining in nullsec when this Goon comes in a Sabre and blows up my ship. "No neutrals on Goonswarm turf", he said. Strange thing was that we were 48 jumps away from the GSF's borders. Second of all, they have absolutely no moral principles and no sense of reason. A friend of mine lost his Rhea to a Goonswarm suicide gank. "Why would they gank you? Your hold was empty", I asked. I heard about more and more disturbing events about the Goons, and I have come to the conclusion that they are people that you do not want to waste your time talking with. |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
41
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:11:00 -
[32] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Let us discuss the origin point of Goonswarm. Goonswarm players originated from a hellhole called the Something Awful forums, a beautiful place of trolls, dicks, cyber hobgoblins and so on. Somewhere in 2006 they migrated to EVE Online with only one purpose: wreck the game. Goonswarm quickly started gaining support and, eventually, became Goonswarm Federation. By the time of 2009, Band Of Brothers (BoB), the most powerful alliance at the time, perceived the Federation as a threat, thus beginning the Great Wars. There were two Wars in total. During the first one, BoB and GSF both fought ferociously to kill each other, but the First War ended in a bloody stalemate. By the time of the Second War, GSF had gained the upper hand in the conflict, and more and more corporations broke off to join the Federation, including alliances such as the Northern Coalition. When the end of the Great Wars drew near, the Chairman of BoB himself disbanded the alliance, stating the following: "I like their system better". After these events, the remnants of the BoB were waging a losing war with the titanic forces of the GSF. They suffered an utter defeat, and Band of Brothers bit the dust. Nowadays, Goonswarm and other influential alliances have forged themselves into one, fearless organization: Clusterf*ck Coalition (AKA CFC).
So, I have my own reasons to dislike the Goons. They originate from the lowest scum of the Internet, and most of them still act like that. They have a special talent of making you dislike the game. Example: I was out mining in nullsec when this Goon comes in a Sabre and blows up my ship. "No neutrals on Goonswarm turf", he said. Strange thing was that we were 48 jumps away from the GSF's borders. Second of all, they have absolutely no moral principles and no sense of reason. A friend of mine lost his Rhea to a Goonswarm suicide gank. "Why would they gank you? Your hold was empty", I asked. I heard about more and more disturbing events about the Goons, and I have come to the conclusion that they are people that you do not want to waste your time talking with. no you're wrong |

Logan PewPew
Crazy Bird Inc. Caldari Armed Forces.
20
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:17:00 -
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Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:stuff no you're wrong
and provides no reasons as to why. |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
41
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:23:00 -
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Logan PewPew wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:stuff no you're wrong and provides no reasons as to why. he's wrong |

Yokai Mitsuhide
Realm of God Triple Penetration Empire
5198
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:29:00 -
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Chiimera wrote:Just because an entity uses a homosexual reference to define something as having a negative connotation it doesn't mean they are homophobic it just means that they have a very limited vocabulary and have wrongly used a noun.
Goonswarm and the greater CFC are one of the most caring and accepting groups I have ever been a proud member of. I personally know and have helped and counselled other members of our coalition who are dealing with their sexuality and it's offensive for you to make these completely untrue allegations.
While I don't condone the use of Gay, ******, ***, Poofter, Lezbo or Carpet Muncher as a negative connotation you are trying to link two very separate things. It is unfortunate that most of us grew up learning these things and carrying them onto adulthood.
So how about you try being an adult, stop being a **** and stop lighting fires because you got shat on for being a tool.
Yep, sounds like a good caring group to me. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19648
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:35:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Let us discuss the origin point of Goonswarm. Goonswarm players originated from a hellhole called the Something Awful forums, a beautiful place of trolls, dicks, cyber hobgoblins and so on. Somewhere in 2006 they migrated to EVE Online with only one purpose: wreck the game. Nope they came here to wreck your game, there's no point in them killing a game that they clearly enjoy.
Quote:Example: I was out mining in nullsec when this Goon comes in a Sabre and blows up my ship. "No neutrals on Goonswarm turf", he said. Strange thing was that we were 48 jumps away from the GSF's borders. Second of all, they have absolutely no moral principles and no sense of reason. You were in nullsec, he didn't need an excuse to blow you up, that he claimed you were on goonswarms turf is irrelevant.
Quote:A friend of mine lost his Rhea to a Goonswarm suicide gank. "Why would they gank you? Your hold was empty", I asked. Because it might not have been empty is as good an excuse as any, odds are that a JF is carrying something valuable.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |

Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:06:00 -
[37] - Quote
This reminds me of something.
All black people are drug dealers. All jews are rich. All -10 pilots are bad people. All priests "love" children.
OP should be banned. - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
43
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:14:00 -
[38] - Quote
Christina Project wrote:This reminds me of something.
All black people are drug dealers. All jews are rich. All -10 pilots are bad people. All priests "love" children.
OP should be banned. i think op meant that goonswarm has created a bunch of homophobic and racist material that they appear to be completely unapologetic about, not that every single goon is a nasty bigot. that doesn't make the thread any better, because it still seems to be less concerned with pointing out bigotry than it is with stirring up drama |

Mortlake
161
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:24:00 -
[39] - Quote
This thread is fundamentally anus. |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
868
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:37:00 -
[40] - Quote
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote: goonswarm has created a bunch of homophobic and racist material that they appear to be completely unapologetic about
So what? Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |
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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
44
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote: goonswarm has created a bunch of homophobic and racist material that they appear to be completely unapologetic about So what? it must be cool to be colossally unaware of how people that aren't white or straight feel about things |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
870
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:48:00 -
[42] - Quote
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote: goonswarm has created a bunch of homophobic and racist material that they appear to be completely unapologetic about So what? it must be cool to be colossally unaware of how people that aren't white or straight feel about things
See, the point is, I dont CARE. You do what you want, ill do what I want. Goons do what Goons do.
Do you really think anyone gives a flying phucc what you do in your bedroom or what color you are?
And who says I am white?? That seems pretty stereotypical to me.
Racist. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
44
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:54:00 -
[43] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote: it must be cool to be colossally unaware of how people that aren't white or straight feel about things
See, the point is, I dont CARE. You do what you want, ill do what I want. Goons do what Goons do.
Do you really think anyone gives a flying phucc what you do in your bedroom or what color you are?
And who says I am white?? That seems pretty stereotypical to me.
Racist.[/quote] c'mon only white people ever say things like that
thank you for taking the brave stance of not caring about bigotry. other people may care enough to do or say really nasty things to racial minorities or homosexuals, but your choice to ignore it because it does not directly affect you is really great and worthy of appreciation |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
871
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:06:00 -
[44] - Quote
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Leto Thule wrote: See, the point is, I dont CARE. You do what you want, ill do what I want. Goons do what Goons do.
Do you really think anyone gives a flying phucc what you do in your bedroom or what color you are?
And who says I am white?? That seems pretty stereotypical to me.
Racist.
c'mon only white people ever say things like that thank you for taking the brave stance of not caring about bigotry. other people may care enough to do or say really nasty things to racial minorities or homosexuals, but your choice to ignore it because it does not directly affect you is really great and worthy of appreciation
I dont think you understand.
There is no reason for me (or anyone) to champion causes I have no stake in. Why would I care if someone said "really nasty things" to ANYONE (minorities, postmen, landscapers, the guy who cleans the gutters on your roof)?
Unless someone is physically hurting you, try taking advice from the old children's rhyme... sticks and stones.... ect.
Edit: More to the point... this is a GAME, and bulllshit real world crybaby issues about everyone who wants recognition for being a Gay/Straight black indian transgender cephlapoid with your own special little corner in a book somewhere because you dont want your feelings hurt and blah blah has NO PLACE in here. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
44
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:09:00 -
[45] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Leto Thule wrote: See, the point is, I dont CARE. You do what you want, ill do what I want. Goons do what Goons do.
Do you really think anyone gives a flying phucc what you do in your bedroom or what color you are?
And who says I am white?? That seems pretty stereotypical to me.
Racist.
c'mon only white people ever say things like that thank you for taking the brave stance of not caring about bigotry. other people may care enough to do or say really nasty things to racial minorities or homosexuals, but your choice to ignore it because it does not directly affect you is really great and worthy of appreciation I dont think you understand. There is no reason for me (or anyone) to champion causes I have no stake in. Why would I care if someone said "really nasty things" to ANYONE (minorities, postmen, landscapers, the guy who cleans the gutters on your roof)? Unless someone is physically hurting you, try taking advice from the old children's rhyme... sticks and stones.... ect. video game forums aren't really the place to start lecturing people on oppression so... just start off by googling "empathy" and see where that takes you |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
871
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:11:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote: Oprah/ Dr. Phil content and then:
video game forums aren't really the place to start lecturing people on oppression so... just start off by googling "empathy" and see where that takes you
Again, dont care. Its a game. About blowing up spaceships. As far as I can tell, space ships dont have sexuality, and the only races in the game have no affect on the gameplay.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
44
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:13:00 -
[47] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote: Again, dont care. Its a game. About blowing up spaceships. As far as I can tell, space ships dont have sexuality, and the only races in the game have no affect on the gameplay.
space game players do have those things but whatever, this was a bad derail in an already bad thread so let's just be done with it |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
871
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Leto Thule wrote: Again, dont care. Its a game. About blowing up spaceships. As far as I can tell, space ships dont have sexuality, and the only races in the game have no affect on the gameplay.
space game players do have those things but whatever, this was a bad derail in an already bad thread so let's just be done with it
Eh.
/agree Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
60
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:01:00 -
[49] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal. .
**** you're right, brb starting a career as a lobbyist/political activist |

Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Wreckless.
1
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:09:00 -
[50] - Quote
Lerking and watching this thread unfold. Much potential. |
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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
47
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:16:00 -
[51] - Quote
is anyone else wondering how much op is starting to regret this |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
877
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:31:00 -
[52] - Quote
Zero Sum Gain wrote:Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal. . **** you're right, brb starting a career as a lobbyist/political activist
Do you have any idea how much those guys make?
Talk about bulllshit!!
I mean, we do the same thing on the forums all day (argue about pointless crap) and we dont get paid!! WTF! Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Logan PewPew
Crazy Bird Inc. Caldari Armed Forces.
21
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:33:00 -
[53] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Zero Sum Gain wrote:Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal. . **** you're right, brb starting a career as a lobbyist/political activist Do you have any idea how much those guys make? Talk about bulllshit!! I mean, we do the same thing on the forums all day (argue about pointless crap) and we dont get paid!! WTF!
But to become a lobbyist you have to already know everyone in the industry.
Politics is like a family reunion in the deep south so incestuous and inbred that anyone without a severe overbite and Tay-Sachs Syndrome is considered an outsider. |

Lakz
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
All hail the great and powerful Lowtax in all his goony glory |

FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:43:00 -
[55] - Quote
i'm straight and white and i'm gonna oppress the hell out of you gaylords |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
47
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:46:00 -
[56] - Quote
Lakz wrote:All hail the great and powerful Lowtax in all his goony glory has lowtax married that shmorky person yet or are they still engaged
also;FOl2TY8 wrote:i'm straight and white and i'm gonna oppress the hell out of you gaylords no you're not |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
878
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
FOl2TY8 wrote:i'm straight and white and i'm gonna oppress the hell out of you gaylords
Damn it, you did it wrong.
Its now "SWGTHAOD".
(Straight White Guy That Hates All Other Demographics)
Dont Fhuck up the acronym landslide. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Eyrun Mangeiri
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
17
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:48:00 -
[58] - Quote
This thread is going places. I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |

Lakz
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:49:00 -
[59] - Quote
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Lakz wrote:All hail the great and powerful Lowtax in all his goony glory has lowtax married that shmorky person yet or are they still engaged
I think shmorky got a sex change (MtF) and they are working on those whole "married" thing
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:51:00 -
[60] - Quote
We're actually somewhat apologetic about the state of our wiki articles, not because we're worried about offending people but because their attempts to sound 'edgy' are somewhat juvenile and embarrassing in retrospect. The word retrospect is important, though, because a lot of those were written years ago when the Internet was a very different place and never updated because we're criminally lazy and why bother rewriting the old wiki when we're gonna move everything over to Confluence this year guys for real. |
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Lakz
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
Voyager Arran wrote:We're actually somewhat apologetic about the state of our wiki articles, not because we're worried about offending people but because their attempts to sound 'edgy' are somewhat juvenile and embarrassing in retrospect. The word retrospect is important, though, because a lot of those were written years ago when the Internet was a very different place and never updated because we're criminally lazy and why bother rewriting the old wiki when we're gonna move everything over to Confluence this year guys for real.
If you want a more culturally modernized version of the GSF wiki, replace all instances of "***" with "sperg" for what should be a fairly authentic experience.
Gay jokes are so 2009, Autism jokes are the future |

FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:54:00 -
[62] - Quote
Voyager Arran wrote:We're actually somewhat apologetic about the state of our wiki articles, not because we're worried about offending people but because their attempts to sound 'edgy' are somewhat juvenile and embarrassing in retrospect. The word retrospect is important, though, because a lot of those were written years ago when the Internet was a very different place and never updated because we're criminally lazy and why bother rewriting the old wiki when we're gonna move everything over to Confluence this year guys for real.
If you want a more culturally modernized version of the GSF wiki, replace all instances of homophobic slang with a random selection from "sperg", "autist", or "Widot member" for what should be a fairly authentic experience.
lookit this homo
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Robert Sawyer
NERV Reborn Independent Stars Allied Forces
5
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:Let us discuss the origin point of Goonswarm. Goonswarm players originated from a hellhole called the Something Awful forums, a beautiful place of trolls, dicks, cyber hobgoblins and so on. Somewhere in 2006 they migrated to EVE Online with only one purpose: wreck the game. Nope they came here to wreck your game, there's no point in them killing a game that they clearly enjoy. Quote:Example: I was out mining in nullsec when this Goon comes in a Sabre and blows up my ship. "No neutrals on Goonswarm turf", he said. Strange thing was that we were 48 jumps away from the GSF's borders. Second of all, they have absolutely no moral principles and no sense of reason. You were in nullsec, he didn't need an excuse to blow you up, that he claimed you were on goonswarms turf is irrelevant. Quote:A friend of mine lost his Rhea to a Goonswarm suicide gank. "Why would they gank you? Your hold was empty", I asked. Because it might not have been empty is as good an excuse as any, odds are that a JF is carrying something.
There is a wonderful tool called Cargo scan, a lot of Goons use it. Robert Sawyer, industrialist and anti-CFC advocate. |

Robert Sawyer
NERV Reborn Independent Stars Allied Forces
5
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
Anyways, let's not forget the reason why we're here and try not to derail off the topic. Summary: Goonswarm is a collection of trolling, homophobic and racist scum this game has ever seen. While the last two listed are not illegal, they are morally wrong and the consequences could be tragic. Goonswarm is also creating a hostile new-player environment, which has scared off quite a few Trialees. Let us not forget the Burn Jita Burn events where those thrice-damned Goons ganked en masse every ship in Jita, which is in 0.9 SECURITY SPACE. No place is safe from these cut-throat scum.
Moral of the game: Do NOT trust a Goon, do not interact with a Goon, and do NOT join any CFC / Goonswarm Federation-affiliated corporation if you want the game to remain beautiful. Robert Sawyer, industrialist and anti-CFC advocate. |

Logan PewPew
Crazy Bird Inc. Caldari Armed Forces.
22
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:17:00 -
[65] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Anyways, let's not forget the reason why we're here and try not to derail off the topic. Summary: Goonswarm is a collection of trolling, homophobic and racist scum this game has ever seen. While the last two listed are not illegal, they are morally wrong and the consequences could be tragic. Goonswarm is also creating a hostile new-player environment, which has scared off quite a few Trialees. Let us not forget the Burn Jita Burn events where those thrice-damned Goons ganked en masse every ship in Jita, which is in 0.9 SECURITY SPACE. No place is safe from these cut-throat marauders..
Moral of the game: Do NOT trust a Goon, do not interact with a Goon, and do NOT join any CFC / Goonswarm Federation-affiliated corporation if you want the game to remain beautiful.
By fighting you've already lost. |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
881
|
Posted - 2014.07.17 20:21:00 -
[66] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Anyways, let's not forget the reason why we're here and try not to derail off the topic. Summary: Goonswarm is a collection of trolling, homophobic and racist scum this game has ever seen. While the last two listed are not illegal, they are morally wrong and the consequences could be tragic. Goonswarm is also creating a hostile new-player environment, which has scared off quite a few Trialees. Let us not forget the Burn Jita Burn events where those thrice-damned Goons ganked en masse every ship in Jita, which is in 0.9 SECURITY SPACE. No place is safe from these cut-throat marauders..
Moral of the game: Do NOT trust a Goon, do not interact with a Goon, and do NOT join any CFC / Goonswarm Federation-affiliated corporation if you want the game to remain beautiful.
Not sure if trolling at V with T2 Trolling rigs and trolling mods in the lows or actually THAT mad about goons... but...
Burn Jita is awesome. And if you are adversely affected by it (for christ sake, they ANNOUNCE the date!) you have failed.
Also, thank you for telling the world what YOU think is right and wrong. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2314
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:22:00 -
[67] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal.
I swear to god if this bulllshit political correct garbage winds its way into the damn games I play, ill shite a chicken, and then hang myself in the shower, with guitar strings.
Uhm , i find the thread and OP something to laugh off but that said racism and homophobia IS illegal in a lot of countries   of wich mine is one .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
881
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal.
I swear to god if this bulllshit political correct garbage winds its way into the damn games I play, ill shite a chicken, and then hang myself in the shower, with guitar strings. Uhm , i find the thread and OP something to laugh off but that said racism and homophobia IS illegal in a lot of countries    of wich mine is one .
Well sir, I am sorry that you live in a country where you can be arrested for an idea. I dont personally condone either of those practices, but when you restrict freedom of thought, thats a hell of a bigger problem than a few nasty words.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
47
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
Lakz wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Lakz wrote:All hail the great and powerful Lowtax in all his goony glory has lowtax married that shmorky person yet or are they still engaged I think shmorky got a sex change (MtF) and they are working on those whole "married" thing i checked shmorky's twitter and apparently they identify as neither male nor female, so idk. still they played video games w lotax a couple of times and it was cute so they might as well be married
Robert Sawyer wrote:Anyways, let's not forget the reason why we're here and try not to derail off the topic. Summary: Goonswarm is a collection of trolling, homophobic and racist scum this game has ever seen. While the last two listed are not illegal, they are morally wrong and the consequences could be tragic. Goonswarm is also creating a hostile new-player environment, which has scared off quite a few Trialees. Let us not forget the Burn Jita Burn events where those thrice-damned Goons ganked en masse every ship in Jita, which is in 0.9 SECURITY SPACE. No place is safe from these cut-throat marauders..
Moral of the game: Do NOT trust a Goon, do not interact with a Goon, and do NOT join any CFC / Goonswarm Federation-affiliated corporation if you want the game to remain beautiful. did that really happen? that's awesome |

flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2315
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:50:00 -
[70] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:flakeys wrote:Leto Thule wrote:News flash:
Racism isnt illegal.
Homophobia isnt illegal.
I swear to god if this bulllshit political correct garbage winds its way into the damn games I play, ill shite a chicken, and then hang myself in the shower, with guitar strings. Uhm , i find the thread and OP something to laugh off but that said racism and homophobia IS illegal in a lot of countries    of wich mine is one . Well sir, I am sorry that you live in a country where you can be arrested for an idea. I dont personally condone either of those practices, but when you restrict freedom of thought, thats a hell of a bigger problem than a few nasty words.
If you think it's a bigger problem to at least have some restrictions to freedom of speech then full freedom of speech then you're REALLY one ignorant fool.Political freedom of speech aye , complete freedom of speech is just waiting for **** to hit the fan.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Lady Areola Fappington
2083
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Posted - 2014.07.17 21:01:00 -
[71] - Quote
flakeys wrote: If you think it's a bigger problem to at least have some restrictions to freedom of speech then full freedom of speech then you're REALLY one ignorant fool.Political freedom of speech aye , complete freedom of speech is just waiting for **** to hit the fan.
Personal opinion, but censoring speech never seems to work, cuz the hate is still there.
I like my bigots and homophobes and such to be mouthy. Makes identifying them for amusing bouts of shaming that much easier.
Random factoid: Alan Turing, the father of modern computing, was gay. Pretty badly abused by the British government, even after the amazing stuff he did in WW2. It gets the homophobic quite riled up when you mention that basically every modern convenience they depend on to spew hatred came about due to a gay man. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |

voetius
BITB Support Services
245
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Posted - 2014.07.17 21:17:00 -
[72] - Quote
The 'muricans in this thread like to bang on about how they have freedom of speech - except they don't.
They aren't free to shout Fire! in a crowded theatre (or they are if they don't mind getting locked up, but the freedom to be locked up isn't what I would call freedom).
They aren't free to phone up the local airport and claim to be from Al Q'aida and issue a bomb warning.
So please stop drivelling on about how you have freedom of speech and us euros live under oppression blah blah.
On topic : the stuff the OP is on about is just teenagers who like to be controversial. I won't condemn them for that as I've said stuff back then that I wouldn't do now. |

Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
157
|
Posted - 2014.07.17 21:57:00 -
[73] - Quote
I do remember reading on the Goonswarm forums of a sig especially for LGTB people. And i know the sig for women (yes we do have women in Goonswarm) also gladly accepts transgenders associating with the female gender. So i think the homophobia in goons is perhaps a tad exagerated.
I have heard far worse in this respect in some other alliances where i used to be part of or had a SPAI account in. And those were not exactly in the CFC (far from it). *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áPlease refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áRemoved part of the post for not having enough pssssshhhhhh. ISD Ezwal.-á*Snip* |

Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
436
|
Posted - 2014.07.17 22:26:00 -
[74] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Anyways, let's not forget the reason why we're here and try not to derail off the topic. Summary: Goonswarm is a collection of trolling, homophobic and racist scum this game has ever seen. While the last two listed are not illegal, they are morally wrong and the consequences could be tragic. Goonswarm is also creating a hostile new-player environment, which has scared off quite a few Trialees. Let us not forget the Burn Jita Burn events where those thrice-damned Goons ganked en masse every ship in Jita, which is in 0.9 SECURITY SPACE. No place is safe from these cut-throat marauders..
Moral of the game: Do NOT trust a Goon, do not interact with a Goon, and do NOT join any CFC / Goonswarm Federation-affiliated corporation if you want the game to remain beautiful.
This post makes me feel good about playing EVE, a terrible game for terrible people. |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
882
|
Posted - 2014.07.17 22:54:00 -
[75] - Quote
flakeys wrote: If you think it's a bigger problem to at least have some restrictions to freedom of speech then full freedom of speech then you're REALLY one ignorant fool.Political freedom of speech aye , complete freedom of speech is just waiting for **** to hit the fan.
Wow.
My post wasnt an attack, I am genuinely sorry your country persecutes based on ideas. Your opinion of complete freedom of speech notwithstanding, thousands of people across the entire planet have FOUGHT and DIED for the very principle of it. How about you think about that before you call a complete stranger an ignorant fool on a game forum, eh? 
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
882
|
Posted - 2014.07.17 22:58:00 -
[76] - Quote
voetius wrote: The 'muricans in this thread like to bang on about how they have freedom of speech - except they don't.
They aren't free to shout Fire! in a crowded theatre (or they are if they don't mind getting locked up, but the freedom to be locked up isn't what I would call freedom).
They aren't free to phone up the local airport and claim to be from Al Q'aida and issue a bomb warning.
So please stop drivelling on about how you have freedom of speech and us euros live under oppression blah blah.
On topic : the stuff the OP is on about is just teenagers who like to be controversial. I won't condemn them for that as I've said stuff back then that I wouldn't do now.
Sigh.
Freedom of speech means that I am allowed to have my own opinion, and voice that opinion, if I choose to do so. Not that I may make fake emergency calls or cause a public panic.
So please, if your going to make a counterpoint (by all means), please have something sensible to say. Because that.... wasnt... Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |

Puppy Eating
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:20:00 -
[77] - Quote
voetius wrote: The 'muricans in this thread like to bang on about how they have freedom of speech - except they don't.
They aren't free to shout Fire! in a crowded theatre (or they are if they don't mind getting locked up, but the freedom to be locked up isn't what I would call freedom).
They aren't free to phone up the local airport and claim to be from Al Q'aida and issue a bomb warning.
So please stop drivelling on about how you have freedom of speech and us euros live under oppression blah blah.
On topic : the stuff the OP is on about is just teenagers who like to be controversial. I won't condemn them for that as I've said stuff back then that I wouldn't do now.
Because there is no difference between expressing an idea and a direct threat against dozens of lives.
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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
51
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:21:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote: Because there is no difference between expressing an idea and a direct threat against dozens of lives.
heterosexuals don't have any ideas |

Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
327
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:03:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:flakeys wrote: If you think it's a bigger problem to at least have some restrictions to freedom of speech then full freedom of speech then you're REALLY one ignorant fool.Political freedom of speech aye , complete freedom of speech is just waiting for **** to hit the fan.
Personal opinion, but censoring speech never seems to work, cuz the hate is still there. I like my bigots and homophobes and such to be mouthy. Makes identifying them for amusing bouts of shaming that much easier. Random factoid: Alan Turing, the father of modern computing, was gay. Pretty badly abused by the British government, even after the amazing stuff he did in WW2. It gets the homophobic quite riled up when you mention that basically every modern convenience they depend on to spew hatred came about due to a gay man. He received a late royal apology, btw. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - WE HAVE A WINNER!! :D |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5662
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:45:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:So, I have my own reasons to dislike the Goons. They originate from the lowest scum of the Internet, and most of them still act like that.
We don't come from reddit & almost everything else you said is wrong. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
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Chiimera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:55:00 -
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Now that we got that out of the way we can all hug #nohomo |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3242
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:57:00 -
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Never been a Goon, but I've flown with a few Goons in my time, and find them generally to be among the least homophobic people I've encountered in online gaming.
Which isn't to say they are perfect, but by god they are nowhere near as bad as the highsec miner that recently EVEmailed me to say they want to see me molested in prison by 'a pack of (vile racial slur)s'. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |

Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.07.18 03:00:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote: Moral of the game: Do NOT trust a Goon, do not interact with a Goon, and do NOT join any CFC / Goonswarm Federation-affiliated corporation if you want the game to remain beautiful.
The game is already beautiful. |

Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2014.07.18 03:44:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Anyways, let's not forget the reason why we're here and try not to derail off the topic. Summary: Goonswarm is a collection of trolling, homophobic and racist scum this game has ever seen. While the last two listed are not illegal, they are morally wrong and the consequences could be tragic. Goonswarm is also creating a hostile new-player environment, which has scared off quite a few Trialees. Let us not forget the Burn Jita Burn events where those thrice-damned Goons ganked en masse every ship in Jita, which is in 0.9 SECURITY SPACE. No place is safe from these cut-throat marauders..
Moral of the game: Do NOT trust a Goon, do not interact with a Goon, and do NOT join any CFC / Goonswarm Federation-affiliated corporation if you want the game to remain beautiful. Aww, why didn't someone inform me of this a couple of weeks ago? :(
But no...seriously...just stop typing. You have no idea what you are talking about, and you're just making yourself look like an idiot. Well, except for the Burn Jita part; that's actually a thing. |

Zach Lemmont
Rising Storm. The Unthinkables
2
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Posted - 2014.07.18 05:26:00 -
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I think you all need to take a refresher on the game's OFFICIAL RULES:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/
Let's all take note of:
Quote: You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)
Quote: You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.
I'm not taking sides or anything, just stating that it's in the rules. Just be careful what you say! |

stup idity
55
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Posted - 2014.07.18 06:55:00 -
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Lakz wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:We're actually somewhat apologetic about the state of our wiki articles, not because we're worried about offending people but because their attempts to sound 'edgy' are somewhat juvenile and embarrassing in retrospect. The word retrospect is important, though, because a lot of those were written years ago when the Internet was a very different place and never updated because we're criminally lazy and why bother rewriting the old wiki when we're gonna move everything over to Confluence this year guys for real.
If you want a more culturally modernized version of the GSF wiki, replace all instances of "***" with "sperg" for what should be a fairly authentic experience. Gay jokes are so 2009, Autism jokes are the future
And finally we found something Gevlon Goblin should actually take credit for. I am the Herald of all beings that are me. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
400

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Posted - 2014.07.18 13:05:00 -
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Topic is trolling and has been locked.
Forum rule 5. Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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