This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is.

I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks.

Why have a release at all if your company is going on vacation? I would think they'd have planned it so that releases will be largely unaffected by the summer holidays.

This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

It's desperately needed

Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is.

Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.

As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.

To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.

Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.

As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.

To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.

It shouldn't take six weeks to do something as simple as removing supers from the game.

As a wormholler you're a much smaller subset of the population.

Nullsec players are, in all likelihood, one of the larger groups in EVE. Not smaller.

People who use POS dwarf both the wormhole and sov null populations as all of wormholes use pos and parts of High,low and null use them.

6 Weeks. Comprehensive Sov Overhaul. Pick one or the other, there's no way you're gonna get any sort of sov overhaul in 6 weeks.

a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

what a momentous day, I never thought I'd see a Goon whining about supercapitals

what a momentous day, I never thought I'd see a Goon whining about supercapitals

we already won the supercapital game a few months back, soooo

we already won the supercapital game a few months back, soooo

If you won it , why didn't you capitalize on it?

your own alliance was too scared to commit to that fight until it was already decided l0l

Doesn't answer the question though.

we capitalized on it pretty well by taking most of that space for RUS

not our fault -DD- disbanded

black legion, showing what's what in General Discussion

James, did you have a high level bulleted list of changes to SOV and supercaps you were interested in?

If they want one from me they can put me on the payroll and put a blue tag under my name. Otherwise whatever suggestion I may make for free will just get ignored.

This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

Where in that chain of required things does shiny new thing come in and break the flow for another couple of years

This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics.

Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.

As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.

To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.

And here we were told pos only affected a small portion of the players

This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

This is the single most important issue facing your game today.

if Vuk got back to the game and took over 4S for a new ride

Yeaaahhhhhh, that's not happening.

If you're gonna rage about something do your damn research first. The roadmap for major overhauls was made very clear at FanFest.

1. Industry
2. Corp & Alliance roles and interfaces
3. Player Owned Structures and Stations
4. Sovereignty Mechanics
5. Player Built Stargates

Since Sov mechanics depend greatly on the previous two points, it makes sense those get done first. So it's on the planning. Just have patience.

lol fanfest


hahahaha

This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

CCP has made roadmaps before that have failed utterly.

The more I see the PCU plummet (and obviously, subs), and given the exodus from high sec that will only continue with Crius, CCP will have no choice but to ditch their roadmap and focus on overhauling sov to make it far more dynamic and non-cartel player friendly.

They can't wait for the 12 months, or whatever they had in mind, to fix all the other things that are oh so broken.

Even then, it will be interesting to see if Eve, and CCP, will survive, given the disastrous decisions to ruin high sec profitability.

If anyone reads mynnna' blog, who was the chief architect of this mess being installed now, he makes it pretty clear that mining is going to take a hit as minerals prices drop. And that is AFTER every mission runner who salvages just had his minerals cut in half. Given the huge overall inflationary spike (although some stuff, like capitals and supercapitals, are gong down in price) we are going to see, the high sec player is going to get hammered, again.

I think that Crius may finally be the proverbial breaking point for high sec. It sure seems that way with the PCU.

So CCP has written off the casual high sec player. That is clear.
So that means the only way they stop and reverse the steady drain of accounts is end the ennui in null sec, and that means breaking the stagnation of the blue blanket, and fast.

So bye bye roadmap.

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Won't dropping mineral prices reduce this hypothetical handicap that hi-sec producers will now face?

Dinsdale, you seem to overlook the possibility that casual players play this game casually which might mean they don't do anything for ISK but just for fun hence nothing really will change for them. I mine because I want to not because it makes me space rich, PLEX does that in a way that none in-game activity can match. And when I don't mine I run missions or derp around lowsec or troll forums or whatever. Casual doesn't mean space poor hobo.

My theory is different.

My theory is based on the assumption that CCP isn't broken and neither is EVE - but rather the players themselves.

Think about it.

• players are actually paying for "mining permits" in highsec
• while we're at it, one dude creates a thread about asking for ISK so he can suicide gank stuff - and other players actually give the ISK
• judging by the look of the sov map, the majority of players would rather pay ISK to other players in order to rent a system than fight for their part of space

When you look at the map, it's not a blue doughnut or a blue blanket. It's a couple of islands of real, wild and capable nullsec with vast amount of space packed by micro carebearing (no pun intended) entities. When you think about it, the whole system is fragile beyond repair, but it still exists and works better than ever before - which brings us to the last point:

• lack of leaders in the game

I don't think any sov mechanic can change that.

This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

Maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but you might want to check what just happened to min requirements for all T2 blueprints.

And dropping min prices help everyone making T1 items. While null sec benefits hugely with lowered prices because their supercaps become cheaper, the null sec cartel industrial consortiums will steer clear of razor thing margin items like T1 ships. They will leave those dregs to high sec. So yeah, any high sec manufacturer who is dumb/stubborn enough to hang around can make Dominixes, but he is still faced with the tiny margins, and increased hauling time and risk.

So no, high sec manufacturers gain no relative benefit for lowered min prices.

Should I be honored that of all the numerous posts on the subject, mine is the first one you pay attention to?

Supercapitals have been a problem for a long time, and we've been saying so for a long time.

Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.

As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.

To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.

Isn't it the Goon way to abuse any mechanic they feel is broken untill cpp changes it?
So if supercapitals are broken, what's stopping you ??

As for high sec, I think they are too far down the path of destruction to salvage that, at least in the medium term.

You want to mine.. OMG quick get this person a doctor !!!!!

Player retention is still more important. Simpel things like removign empire within corp concord shield would help more eve population.

you mean, kicking out of the game 80% of his playerbase (the ones which _LIKE_ playing in highsec and will stop playing if you force them in lowsec) would help player retention?

I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks.

you mean, kicking out of the game 80% of his playerbase (the ones which _LIKE_ playing in highsec and will stop playing if you force them in lowsec) would help player retention?

Oh, no doubt CCP has made a conscious effort to attract the worst kind of people to the game, and driven off the largest demographics of online game players.

It's a tough call either way. Both sides seem to yell "e'rybody'll quit if ~things~", but we never know until we see the implementation.
It's entirely possible that being pushed to move full operations to lowsec (as opposed to one or two guys going, getting blown up, and deciding that they don't like it) will have a positive effect on people who "like playing in highsec". Then again, it may not.

CCP has made roadmaps before that have failed utterly.

The more I see the PCU plummet (and obviously, subs), and given the exodus from high sec that will only continue with Crius, CCP will have no choice but to ditch their roadmap and focus on overhauling sov to make it far more dynamic and non-cartel player friendly.

They can't wait for the 12 months, or whatever they had in mind, to fix all the other things that are oh so broken.

Even then, it will be interesting to see if Eve, and CCP, will survive, given the disastrous decisions to ruin high sec profitability.

If anyone reads mynnna' blog, who was the chief architect of this mess being installed now, he makes it pretty clear that mining is going to take a hit as minerals prices drop. And that is AFTER every mission runner who salvages just had his minerals cut in half. Given the huge overall inflationary spike (although some stuff, like capitals and supercapitals, are gong down in price) we are going to see, the high sec player is going to get hammered, again.

I think that Crius may finally be the proverbial breaking point for high sec. It sure seems that way with the PCU.

So CCP has written off the casual high sec player. That is clear.
So that means the only way they stop and reverse the steady drain of accounts is end the ennui in null sec, and that means breaking the stagnation of the blue blanket, and fast.

So bye bye roadmap.

I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks.

I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks.

Pretty sure they said the short release cycles would allow them to work on larger projects and then release them when they're finished. Seems to me a proper sov re-work could fit into that catagory.

I think that Crius may finally be the proverbial breaking point for high sec. It sure seems that way with the PCU.

the new buzzword is laser-focus

Because 12 hours worth of PCU stats is a great baseline for making that assessment.

LOL...12 hours... How about 3 months, or 6 months?

I want to be perfectly clear that my corporation has no Sov or Supercapitals to overhaul and that you should leave us alone.

Blah blah blah....

This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work.

unsubbing arguments

eve is dying

I recall 2006 promises / teasing of Incarna long before 2008 requests / demands for sovereignty overhauls and sub-cap empowerment.

Maybe in the 3rd decade.

i know it probably comes from a greek mythology thing and not a scifi nerd thing, but my first thought when i read "hyperion" was "the hyperion cantos was ok but i'm not sure why you'd name a whole expansion after it"

the new buzzword is laser-focus

I love the mythology and scenes built around The Shrike but the heavy handed religious overtones made the series hard to get through.. of course The Shrike itself is a religious metaphor, but still.