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Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:21:00 -
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The skill requirements for Starbase Defence Management is being reduced to IV with the update today. This means the only skills that require Anchoring V are now Outpost Construction and Large Mobile Warp Disrupter II
Many of us have corp management alts that have been trained for the specific purpose of managing corporations and starbases. Since the Anchoring skill itself has no benefits, and Outpost Construction / Large Mobile Warp Disruptor will never be used by a corp management alt, this is now effectively wasted SP.
Please refund the SP for Anchoring V upon request, much like has been done in the recent past with other skill changes. Thanks.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3065
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:22:00 -
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http://replygif.net/i/1099.gif "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |

Valkin Mordirc
Deadly Fingertips
35
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:23:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:http://replygif.net/i/1099.gif
Pretty much this
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2207
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:27:00 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:http://replygif.net/i/1099.gif Pretty much this +1
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Ryuu Towryk
Reiuji Heavy Industries
7
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:27:00 -
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Negative. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2237
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:31:00 -
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But, but... I don't have Anchoring V  Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:31:00 -
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I have updated the post to include Jury Rigging IV, which is also now effectively wasted SP. New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2237
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:33:00 -
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Hurray, I have Jury Rigging IV  Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:33:00 -
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Perhaps they could also automagically give it back to you when something new is introduced that needs it? Travelling at the speed of love. |

Ryuu Towryk
Reiuji Heavy Industries
7
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:35:00 -
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https://warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0069/24/1371929547165.jpg |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3069
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:36:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote:I have updated the post to include Jury Rigging IV, which is also now effectively wasted SP. Do you read those blogs or just scim over looking for something to be outraged by? rigs will be getting increased drawbacks they previously didnt have. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |

Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:36:00 -
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Sounds like you should go anchor some bubbles and lay some outposts to get your money's worth.
and, you know, have a cup of cement HTFU while you're at it. |

Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
38
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:37:00 -
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http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/no/Mile_Kunis-no.gif |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3069
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:39:00 -
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Yongtau Naskingar wrote:http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/no/Mile_Kunis-no.gif mines better :p "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |

Zachri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:40:00 -
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Well, they have done it in the past. I'm actually surprised they forgot it this time.
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Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:41:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:mines better :p http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/no/Mile_Kunis-no.gif |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2239
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:45:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:rigs will be getting increased drawbacks they previously didnt have.
what, What, WHAT??!!11oneone1!
Unleash the houdz of nerdrage!
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3851
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:46:00 -
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Zachri wrote:Well, they have done it in the past. I'm actually surprised they forgot it this time. Have they? I thought their policy was only to refund if the skill was removed, and to ensure that no changes ever leave you unable to do something you could previous do (hence the drone SP being given out). I don't remember a time when they have handed back SP without actually removing the skill, but then I could just be terrible at remembering these things.
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
14
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:50:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:
what, What, WHAT??!!11oneone1!
Unleash the houdz of nerdrage!
Nerds don't have hounds. The best they can do is Digipets. |

Zachri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:50:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Zachri wrote:Well, they have done it in the past. I'm actually surprised they forgot it this time. Have they? I thought their policy was only to refund if the skill was removed, and to ensure that no changes ever leave you unable to do something you could previous do (hence the drone SP being given out). I don't remember a time when they have handed back SP without actually removing the skill, but then I could just be terrible at remembering these things.
They've done pretty much every angle over the years. From GM skill gifts, like medium drones, to skill compensations for altered prerequisites, to - indeed - compensations for removed skills. It's how I ended up with some 4M+ unused sp's when I reactivated this account.
There's never been any rules or such to it. Past performance, no guarantee for the future plus HTFU & all that. Considering however that upon my return I found an EVE with an actual SAFETY (!) mechanism, I'd have thought they would be catering more to retention/conversion crunch points these days than in the past when it was always a spur of the patchday kind of thing.
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
103
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:51:00 -
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Where do people get the idea that atempts like the OP will work? They never do! |

Alt Two
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:52:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I thought their policy was only to refund if the skill was removed, and to ensure that no changes ever leave you unable to do something you could previous do (hence the drone SP being given out). Before Kronos I could use T2 sentries. Now I can't. Yes it's a short train and it doesn't bother me really. I just wanted to point out that the above is not true. :) |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3070
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:53:00 -
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http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/a1AG4M6_460sa_v1.gif "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |

Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
40
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:53:00 -
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When CCP splits skills, it's not SP reimbursement, as you just get the same options as you had before.
Actual reimbursement is rarely done, I only know of the learning skills and when the servers were DDoS'd some time ago. Let CCP Greyscale explain it to you how CCP feels about reimbursement. |

Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
111
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:57:00 -
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They're adamant about the material efficiency skill not getting reimbursed despite it bieng essentially deleted and replaced with a miniscule BS timesave skill. We'll see how this goes once the GNERD RAGE (reference intended) starts. |

Zachri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:59:00 -
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Mhari Dson wrote:They're adamant about the material efficiency skill not getting reimbursed despite it bieng essentially deleted and replaced with a miniscule BS timesave skill. We'll see how this goes once the GNERD RAGE (reference intended) starts.
To be honest, EVE could use a little more rage every now and then. Going by social dynamic indicators, the emergent dynamic is rapidly becoming stale. Like a town falling asleep. Things stirring up really isn't a bad thing. |

Ton'Ka Katsu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:02:00 -
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i want some SP for having to read this thread. hmm maybe we have a winner. CCP give us 35sp per everytime we post in different threads, |

Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
14
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:04:00 -
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Zachri wrote:Mhari Dson wrote:They're adamant about the material efficiency skill not getting reimbursed despite it bieng essentially deleted and replaced with a miniscule BS timesave skill. We'll see how this goes once the GNERD RAGE (reference intended) starts. To be honest, EVE could use a little more rage every now and then. Going by social dynamic indicators, the emergent dynamic is rapidly becoming stale. Like a town falling asleep. Things stirring up really isn't a bad thing. Unless stirring things up makes everybody leave. Then it's kind of a bad thing. |

Zachri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:10:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Zachri wrote:Mhari Dson wrote:They're adamant about the material efficiency skill not getting reimbursed despite it bieng essentially deleted and replaced with a miniscule BS timesave skill. We'll see how this goes once the GNERD RAGE (reference intended) starts. To be honest, EVE could use a little more rage every now and then. Going by social dynamic indicators, the emergent dynamic is rapidly becoming stale. Like a town falling asleep. Things stirring up really isn't a bad thing. Unless stirring things up makes everybody leave. Then it's kind of a bad thing.
You'd be surprised to see how few people actually leave over **** stirring up in relation to what is brought in with conversion focus. Especially once players become a little vested, it's rare to see groups quit.
The only hickup which did have an impact (and which CCP did jump on) was some years ago, the internal newsletter leak thing, there the numbers were of interest. But in terms of feature / content aggravation, sure there's been factors that influence retention (anyone remember sovereignty based on pos spamming), but that is fully manageable in relation to CCP's efforts on conversion (bringing in trials, and seducing them).
I know, it's something a lot of people say very quickly - omgquit. The reality is that 1. CCP can replace a heck of a let with their existing conversion focus and 2. it barely makes a dent unless it encroaches on non-feature/content issues, like the trust relationship between customer / provider.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3073
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:10:00 -
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Ton'Ka Katsu wrote:i want some SP for having to read this thread. hmm maybe we have a winner. CCP give us 35sp per everytime we post in different threads, Id rather they took sp for bad posts "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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