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Belt Scout Thread Lockaholics Anonymous 566	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:36:00 - [61] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Wrecking Blow Lyrics by Unsuccessful at Everything Produced by Unsuccessful ProductionsGäó Loosely based upon "Wrecking Ball" by Miley Cyrus We'll whine, we'll cry our hearts out guys, Crius launched, now we question why, We failed to read the Dev Blogs threads, A whine, heard throughout all time. Why don't CCP, SP refund me, They should always have to.. Highsec was my life, im angry and ill tell you why.. I will always blame you.. Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. Nerfing industry was really low.. All I wanted was some easy ISK.. Now ruined my game... Yeah, you, you ruined my game. Now PLEX is so high, I question why CCP, why don't you control the price? Ill gnash my teeth, cry myself to sleep, Highsec, it used to be so nice. Why wont CCP, SP refund me, They should always have to.. Highsec was my life, im angry now ill tell you why.. I will always blame you.. Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. Nerfing industry was really low.. All I wanted was some easy ISK.. Now you've ruined my game. My entitlement now overflows.. Yeah, we deserved better than this.. Im left now with 10 accounts.. Im unsubbing now forthwith.. Yeah, CCP wrecked my game. I never meant to cry so much I just ooze entitlement.. And instead of using words.. I guess I should unsub to win.. I never meant to cry so much I just wanted easy ISK.. Why cant you just let highsec win? Don't you ever say I wont walk away.. Ill unsub and show you.. Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. nerfing industry was really low.. All I wanted was some easy ISK.. Now you've ruined my game. Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. Nerfing industry was really low.. We deserve our easy ISK.. CCP now ruined my game.. Yeah, CCP, you ruined my game.. Yeah, CCP, you ruined my game. LOL Nice. Here, have some likes. . They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 187	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:15:00 - [62] - Quote Well... I don't mine or manufacture... So I don't care.... I don't...
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1443	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:10:00 - [63] - Quote Peter Raptor wrote: Is that for a refining outpost or pos? If for pos, does that mean a refining outpost gives 120% yield??? (Maths is not my strong point ) That's a high sec pos with no implant relative to pre crius yields. And yes, a Null Mini outpost can return 120% yields compared to pre crius. Or close enough to.
Ironbuket Violet Impulse 0	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:24:00 - [64] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Gedrick frogue wrote: yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts ...unless you can actually tell me in what way you have lost, I call BS on your statement, thanks How about this example from my own records Before patch: 50% NPC station, skill sufficient to give 0% loss 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 120 Nocxium 11 Pyerite 59 Tritanium 844 Same station and same skills after patch: 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 99 Nocxium 10 Pyerite 49 Tritanium 693 I support the idea of giving higher refine returns with extra effort, but this is clearly a nerf. When people claimed nerf leading up to the patch, IGÇÖm sure people were defending the changes saying that the extra refine loss would be offset by higher yields? At least in my case this is not true. I now have to train skills and buy a pos just to get back to the point I was already at a few days back, if that isnGÇÖt a nerf (and yes a GÇÿkick in the nutsGÇÖ) I donGÇÖt know what is.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6281	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:40:00 - [65] - Quote I see now that some people are benefiting from their investments in ore processing V and 4% implants, unlike earlier (lol "skill sufficient to give 0% loss") Op success ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1443	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:40:00 - [66] - Quote If you do not have the skills for a particular ore maxed then & do not have the refining implant, then yes, it is a nerf. That is working as intended, it is meant to be a nerf for anyone with less than max skills.
Brylan Grey Scope Works 53	Posted - 2014.07.25 04:43:00 - [67] - Quote I don't like it. But I think it is reasonable. My alt had 100% refine with some skills only at 3, and no implants. So there was no need to up skills further. Now that the refine yield is lower, means more skill investment will yield better returns. This makes perfect sense to me. Overall, I think it will benefit the game overall, and really help out the people that are really dedicated to mining, giving them larger profits than before, while the casual miners like my alt, will find they either need to step up the skulking, or move on to other isk earning careers. I had two chars that would mine while I work. But due to this change I might abandon mining. Is that bad? Not at all. Less competition for the dedicated miners. Their profitability will go up much more and I will simply find other activities more suited for my skills for isk earning.
Peter Raptor Galactic Hawks 679	Posted - 2014.07.25 04:45:00 - [68] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Peter Raptor wrote: Is that for a refining outpost or pos? If for pos, does that mean a refining outpost gives 120% yield??? (Maths is not my strong point ) That's a high sec pos with no implant relative to pre crius yields. And yes, a Null Mini outpost can return 120% yields compared to pre crius. Or close enough to. Ok, well I was talking about post crius, and thos calculations make it look like you can get 100% yield POST crius, which is impossible, I already have the same yield as pre crius with all skills maxed, post crius max yield is what Im interested in, and so those calculations are somewhat misleading... Evelopedia;-á The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4180	Posted - 2014.07.25 07:20:00 - [69] - Quote Peter Raptor wrote: Despite Max refining skills, best refining implant, highest standing with NPC station corp, whats the point of chasing the proverbial ball of wealth in this game if CCP thwarts the whole process and laughs at us in the process!!! ::: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr06/21/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-14678-1385051057-29.gif Ice prices gonna go through the roof, and only lottery winners gonna be playing Eve! http://i.imgur.com/ECtfYXe.gif Oh and have a great day Op clearly did not read dev blogs or patchnotes. Sorry, but that just mean you are stupid for not reading up what CCP is going to change, your own damn fault. Bye. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12491	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:00:00 - [70] - Quote Ironbuket wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Gedrick frogue wrote: yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts ...unless you can actually tell me in what way you have lost, I call BS on your statement, thanks How about this example from my own records Before patch: 50% NPC station, skill sufficient to give 0% loss 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 120 Nocxium 11 Pyerite 59 Tritanium 844 Same station and same skills after patch: 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 99 Nocxium 10 Pyerite 49 Tritanium 693 I support the idea of giving higher refine returns with extra effort, but this is clearly a nerf. When people claimed nerf leading up to the patch, IGÇÖm sure people were defending the changes saying that the extra refine loss would be offset by higher yields? At least in my case this is not true. I now have to train skills and buy a pos just to get back to the point I was already at a few days back, if that isnGÇÖt a nerf (and yes a GÇÿkick in the nutsGÇÖ) I donGÇÖt know what is. Just as planned Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 6442	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:11:00 - [71] - Quote Ironbuket wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Gedrick frogue wrote: yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts ...unless you can actually tell me in what way you have lost, I call BS on your statement, thanks How about this example from my own records Before patch: 50% NPC station, skill sufficient to give 0% loss 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 120 Nocxium 11 Pyerite 59 Tritanium 844 Same station and same skills after patch: 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 99 Nocxium 10 Pyerite 49 Tritanium 693 I support the idea of giving higher refine returns with extra effort, but this is clearly a nerf. When people claimed nerf leading up to the patch, IGÇÖm sure people were defending the changes saying that the extra refine loss would be offset by higher yields? At least in my case this is not true. I now have to train skills and buy a pos just to get back to the point I was already at a few days back, if that isnGÇÖt a nerf (and yes a GÇÿkick in the nutsGÇÖ) I donGÇÖt know what is. Thats interesting... Given you cannot refine exactly 333 units of anything, I doubt the accuracy of your data Also you used the word "station", so there is a flaw in your method from the start "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
Velicitia Arma Artificer 2425	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:43:00 - [72] - Quote Ironbuket wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Gedrick frogue wrote: yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts ...unless you can actually tell me in what way you have lost, I call BS on your statement, thanks How about this example from my own records Before patch: 50% NPC station, skill sufficient to give 0% loss 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 120 Nocxium 11 Pyerite 59 Tritanium 844 Same station and same skills after patch: 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 99 Nocxium 10 Pyerite 49 Tritanium 693 I support the idea of giving higher refine returns with extra effort, but this is clearly a nerf. When people claimed nerf leading up to the patch, IGÇÖm sure people were defending the changes saying that the extra refine loss would be offset by higher yields? At least in my case this is not true. I now have to train skills and buy a pos just to get back to the point I was already at a few days back, if that isnGÇÖt a nerf (and yes a GÇÿkick in the nutsGÇÖ) I donGÇÖt know what is. Thing is, CCP has stated outright that in order to get "100%" pre-crius refine now, you need max skills (5/5/5 Refining / Refinery Efficiency / Ore-Specific Processing) as well as the 4% Refining implant. NOTE -- when you have this, the window will say "72.4% yield". This is also intended, as it allowed CCP to re-work the POS and Outpost refineries, in order to make them better than NPC stations. Here are the "perfect NPC station" numbers for Pyrox, assuming 3.33 refines (which you can't actually get, because batch size): Tritanium -- 846 Pyerite -- 60 Mexallon -- 120 Nox -- 12 3.00 refines yields the following (with 33 Pyrox left over): Tritanium -- 762 Pyerite -- 54 Mexallon -- 108 Nox -- 10 NOTE -- maths were done quickly, so I might be off by 1 or 2 in either direction. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 23308	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:48:00 - [73] - Quote Ironbuket wrote: Same station and same skills after patch: 333 units of Pyroxeres refined yields Mexallon 99 Nocxium 10 Pyerite 49 Tritanium 693 GÇªso when we factor in the ore that you fail to refine and the poor choice of location, what you're actually getting is: Mexallon: 112 Nocxium: 11 Pyerite: 55 Tritanium: 784 There are plenty of skills left to make up for the 12% loss you're incurring. Train those. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6281	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:48:00 - [74] - Quote If I remember right, with only Refinery Efficiency V and a 2% implant, you could max out a 50% base NPC station before. No need for any processing skills... Wonder how many in highsec actually got X Processing Vs and a 4% implant (my nullsec alt has it for ice, which I mine) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Peter Raptor Galactic Hawks 680	Posted - 2014.07.25 10:19:00 - [75] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: If I remember right, with only Refinery Efficiency V and a 2% implant, you could max out a 50% base NPC station before. No need for any processing skills... Wonder how many in highsec actually got X Processing Vs and a 4% implant (my nullsec alt has it for ice, which I mine) I started to train those when the Indy changes were announced months ago. At this stage, post crius, its impossible to get ACTUAL 100% refining anywhere in the Eve Universe, so I find that a bit odd. Evelopedia;-á The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á
Eternus8lux8lucis Journies End 244	Posted - 2014.07.25 10:56:00 - [76] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: If I remember right, with only Refinery Efficiency V and a 2% implant, you could max out a 50% base NPC station before. No need for any processing skills... Wonder how many in highsec actually got X Processing Vs and a 4% implant (my nullsec alt has it for ice, which I mine) Yeah my alt got it all a while ago for all the high sec ores and ice. Now Ill just slowly work on the null sec ores as well. Most people had more than enough time in order to train them as well if they kept abreast of the changes and how it would work. But I have a few guys in null sec bemoaning the changes all day every day until they log off now so its not just stupid people in high sec that got nailed. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
Ironbuket Violet Impulse 0	Posted - 2014.07.26 04:43:00 - [77] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Given you cannot refine exactly 333 units of anything, I doubt the accuracy of your data You fail - LOL
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12493	Posted - 2014.07.26 04:59:00 - [78] - Quote Ironbuket wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Given you cannot refine exactly 333 units of anything, I doubt the accuracy of your data You fail - LOL How so? What he said is right. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6282	Posted - 2014.07.26 06:07:00 - [79] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: If I remember right, with only Refinery Efficiency V and a 2% implant, you could max out a 50% base NPC station before. No need for any processing skills... Wonder how many in highsec actually got X Processing Vs and a 4% implant (my nullsec alt has it for ice, which I mine) Yeah my alt got it all a while ago for all the high sec ores and ice. Now Ill just slowly work on the null sec ores as well. Most people had more than enough time in order to train them as well if they kept abreast of the changes and how it would work. But I have a few guys in null sec bemoaning the changes all day every day until they log off now so its not just stupid people in high sec that got nailed. Actually, don't people have alts with processing IVs, due to the T2 crystals. At least for ore they mine. Though I guess in highsec, you wouldn't need ABC skills, and wouldn't have Refinery Efficiency V as it isn't a pre-req for the lower ore processing skills. Did 4% implants get a lot more expensive as well... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Eternus8lux8lucis Journies End 247	Posted - 2014.07.26 07:01:00 - [80] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: If I remember right, with only Refinery Efficiency V and a 2% implant, you could max out a 50% base NPC station before. No need for any processing skills... Wonder how many in highsec actually got X Processing Vs and a 4% implant (my nullsec alt has it for ice, which I mine) Yeah my alt got it all a while ago for all the high sec ores and ice. Now Ill just slowly work on the null sec ores as well. Most people had more than enough time in order to train them as well if they kept abreast of the changes and how it would work. But I have a few guys in null sec bemoaning the changes all day every day until they log off now so its not just stupid people in high sec that got nailed. Actually, don't people have alts with processing IVs, due to the T2 crystals. At least for ore they mine. Though I guess in highsec, you wouldn't need ABC skills, and wouldn't have Refinery Efficiency V as it isn't a pre-req for the lower ore processing skills. Did 4% implants get a lot more expensive as well... Yes this toon has all the ore processing to L4 even the ABC and null ores as he used to run a rorqual boosting for mining there. So it wont be that bad to train him to L5, itll still take some time to do though. But in high the refiner I use for my mining crews had plenty of time to train all the high sec ores to L5 with room to spare due to them postponing it till Crius. Yes they did but some idiot keeps dumping implants and Im not making my profits!!! Greed is good right? Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace

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