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Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:27:00 -
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I am sure that I read we can find out the job costs of research or manufacturing in a remote system without having to runt he Blueprint over there to take a look. I cannot find out how to do this in game. Is it possible or was the feature taken out?
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Steve Ronuken
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:53:00 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:I am sure that I read we can find out the job costs of research or manufacturing in a remote system without having to run the Blueprint over there to take a look. I cannot find out how to do this in game. Is it possible or was the feature taken out?
check the map. There's an overlay.
(It's also available through my new blueprint calculator  but it is in game too)
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Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:08:00 -
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Thanks Steve... nice plug on the BP calc :D where do I get one of those from?
EDIT... Found it on your website
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:34:00 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Thanks Steve... nice plug on the BP calc :D where do I get one of those from?
EDIT... Found it on your website
It's not quite up to speed yet, but it's getting there.
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Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:13:00 -
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I'll check it out once I'm home from work in more depth, it looks familiar I think I've viewed it before.
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Commander Venture
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:29:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Vartan Sarkisian wrote:I am sure that I read we can find out the job costs of research or manufacturing in a remote system without having to run the Blueprint over there to take a look. I cannot find out how to do this in game. Is it possible or was the feature taken out? check the map. There's an overlay. (It's also available through my new blueprint calculator but it is in game too)
Thanks! Set destination to various systems and clicked along the way until I had my fill:
Manufacturing System Cost Index for Selected Systems
0.06 Inghenges
0.01 Estene
0.01 Stayme
0.01 Dunraelare
0.00 Ansone
0.02 Trosquesere
0.04 Nausschie
0.01 Erme
0.04 Metserel
0.04 Seyllin
0.01 Ane
0.00 Clorteler
0.01 Aporulie
0.01 Botane
0.02 Aunia
0.04 Auvergne
0.00 Agrallarier
0.05 Dodixie
0.02 Duripant
0.02 Renyn
0.03 Grinacanne
0.00 Du Annes
0.00 Pettinck
0.03 Luminaire
0.03 Algogille
0.03 Couster
0.00 Kassigainen
0.02 Hatakani
0.03 Sivala
0.03 Uedama
0.03 Juunigaishi
0.05 Antiri
0.04 Sirppala
0.01 Urlen
0.04 Perimeter
0.09 Jita
0.09 Itamo
0.03 Maurasi
0.07 Muvolailen
0.06 Sobaseki
0.04 Amarr
0.03 Rens
Feel free to add to the list! |
Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:14:00 -
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Seems like quality :ccp:
This number will go between 0.20 and 0.00
So of course we'll show 0.04 rather than, say, 4.52% (which would make more sense and give more significant digits) |
Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.23 17:35:00 -
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I found it on the map, but I dont know how to find the numerical value,
EDIT - found it, not the ideal place but hey
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Qoi
Exert Force
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:06:00 -
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Since Fuzzysteve is already plugging his calculator (pah!), mine will actually will show you the manufacturing cost index as well as the job installation fees if you select a solar system :-) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:37:00 -
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https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprint/costindex.php may be of interest to look at regional cost indexes. (still thinking about how to display the data)
Woo! CSM 9!
http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:16:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprint/costindex.php may be of interest to look at regional cost indexes. (still thinking about how to display the data)
Neat. Useful. Thanks Steve!  |
Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:16:00 -
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Steve, that is a great resource, thanks for sharing. One question though, is it possible to enter a method of sorting how many jumps fom the system your in.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:52:00 -
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updated. you can specific a system, and how many jumps away you want to see. (up to 10. which can become a lot of systems)
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Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.23 21:04:00 -
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Good man, that is awesome, thank you.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Steve Ronuken
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Posted - 2014.07.23 21:18:00 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Good man, that is awesome, thank you.
It helps that, a while ago, I precalculated all 27 million jump ranges. (well, 13.5 million. then duplicated it for the other way)
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Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.23 21:46:00 -
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that sounds like a lot of work... I was going through the listings and thought I was onto some great results with 0.10% until I found out there were no stations or no industry in the stations within those systems, I can see industry being a real pain now.
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Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
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Posted - 2014.07.23 21:55:00 -
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so how do you find the index for w-space?
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CCP Nullarbor
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.23 22:19:00 -
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If you load up a job in the industry window, you can then swap to the Facilities tab and flip between them to get a quote for the cost, time and material requirements if you were to install it at a remote station.
You can even do the same for a blueprint you don't own by going show info and selecting "Show In Industry" then pick the facility you want to install it at.
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Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2014.07.23 22:28:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:You can even do the same for a blueprint you don't own by going show info and selecting "Show In Industry" then pick the facility you want to install it at.
Didn't know that  and I was really looking for a feature like this!
Thanks for the tips! |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.23 22:32:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:If you load up a job in the industry window, you can then swap to the Facilities tab and flip between them to get a quote for the cost, time and material requirements if you were to install it at a remote station.
You can even do the same for a blueprint you don't own by going show info and selecting "Show In Industry" then pick the facility you want to install it at.
But what You CAN'T do is try system that have no facitlity (i.e. if you want to check where to st up a pos and want to just check production cost - price index - or hovewer its called) you cant select a system that have no station with industry
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.07.23 23:04:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:If you load up a job in the industry window, you can then swap to the Facilities tab and flip between them to get a quote for the cost, time and material requirements if you were to install it at a remote station.
You can even do the same for a blueprint you don't own by going show info and selecting "Show In Industry" then pick the facility you want to install it at. But what You CAN'T do is try system that have no facitlity (i.e. if you want to check where to st up a pos and want to just check production cost - price index - or hovewer its called) you cant select a system that have no station with industry
Yes unfortunately not directly on the industry UI, you can however view the system cost indexes on the starmap even if there are no facilities and compare them to your current system. We also made this data available to 3rd party developers which people can use in their own tools / spreadsheets outside of game if you prefer.
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Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:12:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:If you load up a job in the industry window, you can then swap to the Facilities tab and flip between them to get a quote for the cost, time and material requirements if you were to install it at a remote station.
You can even do the same for a blueprint you don't own by going show info and selecting "Show In Industry" then pick the facility you want to install it at. But what You CAN'T do is try system that have no facitlity (i.e. if you want to check where to st up a pos and want to just check production cost - price index - or hovewer its called) you cant select a system that have no station with industry Yes unfortunately not directly on the industry UI, you can however view the system cost indexes on the starmap even if there are no facilities and compare them to your current system. We also made this data available to 3rd party developers which people can use in their own tools / spreadsheets outside of game if you prefer.
Are you going to make it more accurate?
Example is we have a amarr station which i read in the dev blogs has somthing like a .5 modifier for install costs. And we have a minmatar station system that i read has a .8 install cost modifier. Both systems have thier activity bar maxed Yet even with it maxed the logical assumption would be that it would be cheaper to build in the amarr system right? Well wrong. Tried an archon in both systems at a pos, the amarr system cost more to install than the minmatar system despite the .5 vs .8 modifier. |
Yahyan
Shayol Ghul Forge
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:52:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprint/costindex.php may be of interest to look at regional cost indexes. (still thinking about how to display the data)
Very nice tool to look for opportunities.Additionally, I believe it is a good idea to show job count last 24 hours just as it is shown in game map. It can help understand the new manufacturing behaviors of players since current system cost indices are calculated according to old system. People will change their industry HQ to make it profitable. they will try new things in new systems. Job counts can help predict new profitable places. |
Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.24 07:13:00 -
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How often does the system index update? For example someone finds a system that is cheap to build in, they up sticks and move all their stuff to that system, they have 3 accounts and 9 toons, 10 build slots each, will that person screw themselves by setting off 90 build jobs in that system?
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Qoi
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Posted - 2014.07.24 08:27:00 -
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The system cost index updates several times a day, i did not really monitor how often though. |
Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.24 09:50:00 -
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Qoi wrote:The system cost index updates several times a day, i did not really monitor how often though.
So even if you are the only one in a system doing industry you can push the index up so high that you would be screwing yourself with regards costs of jobs etc?
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.24 09:53:00 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Qoi wrote:The system cost index updates several times a day, i did not really monitor how often though. So even if you are the only one in a system doing industry you can push the index up so high that you would be screwing yourself with regards costs of jobs etc?
Yes. |
Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.24 10:06:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Qoi wrote:The system cost index updates several times a day, i did not really monitor how often though. So even if you are the only one in a system doing industry you can push the index up so high that you would be screwing yourself with regards costs of jobs etc? Yes.
Haha, what a joke, so letGÇÖs all make sure we just do one job at a timeGǪ this is going to get interesting (interesting = stupid).
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Steve Ronuken
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:44:00 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Vartan Sarkisian wrote:Qoi wrote:The system cost index updates several times a day, i did not really monitor how often though. So even if you are the only one in a system doing industry you can push the index up so high that you would be screwing yourself with regards costs of jobs etc? Yes. Haha, what a joke, so letGÇÖs all make sure we just do one job at a timeGǪ this is going to get interesting (interesting = stupid).
Yes and no.
If you're the only one working in that system, what percentage of 2.5 billion manufacturing minutes are you going to produce in a month? (That's a number from CCP, for manufacturing done in new eden, over the course of 28 days. It's mostly accurate (jobs don't fall neatly into 28 day batches))
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Vartan Sarkisian
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:58:00 -
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OK, so it is set an a high number of manufacturing minutes, is the threshold every 2.5b minutes per month and if so what would the next level raise the percentage by. Or is the percentage based around how close to 2.5b minutes it gets to.
for example Ahala in Domain has a 2.76% manufacturing percentage, how many manufacturing minutes is causing that number as opposed to say Ardishapur Prime which is at 0.71%. also lets say all the manufacturing jobs in Ahala stopped and were delivered today with no new ones being created, would the index drop tomorrow?
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