Why should I lose 2 levels of a skill I already trained because they decided to attach some module's prereqs to that skill?

Have you tried the usual things?

You know, clearing your cache, checking the actual value in-game, petitions? Those things that can actually provide some kind of answer or solution, unlike the forumsGǪ

Did you read my original post at all?

Did you read my original post at all?

Yes, that's why I'm asking you those questions. So did you do any of that?

How is clearing my cache going to affect CCP reducing a skill by 2 levels because they decide weeks after Kronos to make an unannounced change that directly conflicts what was published in the Kronos dev blog about drone skill changes?

Largely because they didn't actually do any such change, and the rest is just to ensure that you're actually seeing the correct numbers. There's a reason why GÇ£clear you cacheGÇ¥ is step #1 on pretty much all problem-solving lists related to EVE.

in game or at evemon? because i actually panicked when i saw my drone avionics skill at level 2 in evemon and immediately logged in to check, in-game it still level 5, so no problem! :)

Of course they made this change, it is spelled out right there in the patch notes.

My problem with the change is that it was completely unannounced and it is completely contrary to a published dev blog.

And again, have you actually checked this in-game? Have you checked whether you have any unallocated SP? Have you cleared the cache? Have you petitioned it?

Yes, all of the above, and no, no unallocated SP

Hmm odd i hear alot of people in the help channel complain today...

Seems like many people *lost* skills from 4 to 3.. or 3 to 2.. strange

Then we wait, and maybe tomorrow they'll run a bug-fixed script that gives you the level you're supposed to have.

I would be fired from my job if I did things like this.

I decided to log on to my other 3 chars. All chars had CDO 3 or 4 (can't remember) before the patch, but none had 5. Right now, 2 characters show the GM Skill Gift lvl 3 but still have Drone Avionics 5, and 2 characters show the GM Skill Gift lvl 3 and have Drone Avionics 3.

So the script not only was derped, but didn't derp equally on all accounts.

I decided to log on to my other 3 chars. All chars had CDO 3 or 4 (can't remember) before the patch, but none had 5. Right now, 2 characters show the GM Skill Gift lvl 3 but still have Drone Avionics 5, and 2 characters show the GM Skill Gift lvl 3 and have Drone Avionics 3.

So the script not only was derped, but didn't derp equally on all accounts.

Good you reported it, but there is no reason to freak out. From the patchnotes is so clearly an unintentional side effect, that I a not worried (lost 5->3). It will be fixed tomorrow or in a few days the latest.

Good you reported it, but there is no reason to freak out. From the patchnotes is so clearly an unintentional side effect, that I a not worried (lost 5->3). It will be fixed tomorrow or in a few days the latest.

I have confirmed that the skill was incorrectly lowered for some players. It was meant to be a bump. Currently under investigation and added to the known issues.

So yes, they seem to have goofed on something.

Dev post from the Crius Issues thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4838181#post4838181

how to clear in-game cache?

I've got nothing against the coder who scripted this skill transfer, mistakes happen. What is annoying though is this issue with the DLA was pointed out multiple times by the community to both CCP Fozzie and Rise, and they simply ignored it. Only then to get some poor coder who is probably fatigued from implementing the massive crius release to do a hash fix for them.

If they actually listened to feedback as Greyscale has done excellently during this Crius transition, then this hash fix would have never been needed in the first place.

In game: ESC -> Reset Settings -> Clear All Cache Files
or
From launcher (exit game first): Settings -> EVE Client Settings -> Clear cached client data

Thanks for the info and sorry for this stupid question: clearing the cache doesn't mess up things such as overview settings or other preferences, correct?

seems to me that there was an error on the application. i have no idea waht the OP is bitching about when all he should do is make a ticket and wait for it to get fixed.

In game: ESC -> Reset Settings -> Clear All Cache Files
or
From launcher (exit game first): Settings -> EVE Client Settings -> Clear cached client data

seems to me that there was an error on the application. i have no idea waht the OP is bitching about when all he should do is make a ticket and wait for it to get fixed.

Confirming I've lost Drone Avionics 5 on 3 characters.

Anyone who had Scout Drone Operation 5 and Combat Drone Operation 4 would have been given Drone Avionics 5 for Kronos, then had it reduced to 4 during this patch.

I'm happy I had SDO and CDO trained to V long ago then.

We'll be deploying a fix for this very soon

Did you read my original post at all?

I would be fired from my job if I did things like this.

No. Just make sure you only clear the cache. If you accidentally click to clear settings instead you will not be very happy.

Bullshit. Even the best employees make mistakes and it's not worth losing good people over them.

So you missed the part where the guy with the blue tag said they know, they're fixing it, and if you don't want to wait you should put in a support ticket?

Confirming that this is indeed a known issue and we are working on a fix to reverse it. This morning when we deployed Crius 1.2 some of you accidentally got a second instance of the Drone Avionics skill book injected in your heads which is causing the issues mentioned in this thread.

We'll be deploying a fix for this very soon, but in the meantime if you are affected by this issue please file a support ticket and we should be able to sort you out.

Okay, thank you for the information.

I've got nothing against the coder who scripted this skill transfer, mistakes happen. What is annoying though is this issue with the DLA was pointed out multiple times by the community to both CCP Fozzie and Rise, and they simply ignored it. Only then to get some poor coder who is probably fatigued from implementing the massive crius release to do a hash fix for them.

If they actually listened to feedback as Greyscale has done excellently during this Crius transition, then this hash fix would have never been needed in the first place.

Well I guess this is a bone for those that has both CDO V and SDO V cause our skill levels are staying the same.

Bullshit. Even the best employees make mistakes and it's not worth losing good people over them.

Funny, I do stuff like this all the time and they STILL let me in the hospital

We are aware of the issues caused to players with the skill Drone Avionics following the release of Crius 1.2 on 24.07.2014. We are working on this issue as a priority and will have the matter resolved as soon as possible.

So any ETA ?

I panicked because of this bug while I was doing a mission, which lead to the discovery of a workaround for Drone Link Augmentor II:
You have to online the module in space (needs 95%cap).

Largely because they didn't actually do any such change, and the rest is just to ensure that you're actually seeing the correct numbers. There's a reason why GÇ£clear you cacheGÇ¥ is step #1 on pretty much all problem-solving lists related to EVE.

Just want to point out here the usual Tippia smug...and then they just vanished from the thread when proven wrong. Seriously man not everyone is a raging idiot and you don't have all the answers.

To be actually accurate, a bunch of people queried this issue, then checked on Sisi when Kronus was first uploaded there and discovered that the DLA skill requirements hadn't changed at that time. So no skill awarding was needed.
The DLA skill requirements was an unannounced change on Sisi less than a week from expansion, meaning unless it was Fozzie & Rise who were responsible for the module skill change, they won't have had time to adjust at that point to the change.

The fact a bunch of noise was made a couple of days before a patch for a very late change doesn't mean Fozzie & Rise 'ignored' people. It means someone made a very late change that should have been done earlier so proper follow on adjustments could have occurred.

Looool don't tell me they're going to leave this unfixed over the weekend.

Incorrect, this was flagged up as an issue multiple times. As soon as CCP announced it was making it so scout drone operation was the only skill needed to get everything to V due to the "you could fly it before you can fly it after" mantra,, the inconsistency with this not being applied also to the DLAII was flagged up. That must have been a month before the patch went live.

I was on all the related threads, and there was literally no response from CCP on the issue, they either missed it or simply ignored it.

After seeing how quick Greyscale has responded to feedback for a much more complex set of changes, it really highlights how poor CCP Fozzie and Rise have been on this issue.

why would CCP work over the weekend?

I found that my Drone Avionics was reduced to 4 when I tried to fit a ship yesterday afternoon. I petitioned it, and the skill is back at V by this morning.

Consider yourself lucky. All I got was a copy-paste response to go to this thread, even though I wrote that I was making the ticket because of this thread.

No, you are trying to rewrite history. A month before the patch went live DLA's on Sisi needed Light Drone Operation to use, not Drone Avionics. The Change of skill to drone avionics was a very last minute change. People were asking questions about it yes, but there was not a skill reallocation issue till a week before the patch went live. Which was when Sisi changed the skill over.

Most of my characters have been fixed. I sent in tickets on the broken ones yesterday.

Edit:

After I had some coffee I learned to read and saw the decrease in skill levels was likely a bug and is now confirmed by CCP:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4838181#post4838181


From the Kronos dev blog:

"Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed GÇ£Drone Avionics""

Two of the three characters I had this happen to have been fixed in-game (with no petition submitted). ...

Edit: Actually, nope, still not fixed. Character sheet shows 5, but can't fit a DLA2.

Given the current Ishtar meta, I take this bug to mean that there won't be much PvP this weekend.

Bug report - check
Ticket - check

not yet fixed - still waiting...

LOL CFC PVP.

more like

form up and stand down.

I just started training the skill again...

It won't show up in my Evemon and such, and shows up double on my profile :/

I may be wasting 4 days retraining, but I have no idea when they plan on fixing it and I want to go do things :P.

Maybe, just maybe they will work on it this week?

At least you're *able* to start training it again. It doesn't matter if I try to set it on queue or 'force train' it over the skill I'm training now - I still get 'illegal queue.'

And all the 'illegal queue' thing suggests to me is that somewhere in their database, Khan here *has* Drone Avionics V, but somewhere else, it shows IV now. So when any of us with this problem tries to train it, the server interprets it as us trying to train beyond Level V.

At least he has the decency to just walk away when proven wrong. I've seen more than one windowlicker here keep on trying, even after being dunked by a dev.

At least you're *able* to start training it again. It doesn't matter if I try to set it on queue or 'force train' it over the skill I'm training now - I still get 'illegal queue.'

And all the 'illegal queue' thing suggests to me is that somewhere in their database, Khan here *has* Drone Avionics V, but somewhere else, it shows IV now. So when any of us with this problem tries to train it, the server interprets it as us trying to train beyond Level V.

There was a dev response somewhere that said the issues arose becasue somehow some characters managed to get two copies of the skill book injected.

Sounds crazy too me.

if you read your logs you'll see that it result as a "gift" from a devel - basically they ran their script to fix drone avionics for a few account that didnt get upgraded correctly during kronos skill switch but they used "insert" instead of "modify" (somebody shold get a swift kick in the junk for this).
now we have two skills with same name/id, the server get confused and crap out with random results.

Be patient everyone, the next mini-fix is coming up in a few weeks

Tentatively scheduled for this Thursday (31/07), plans are always subject to change however.

Good lord, quit whining. It's a bug, they've identified it, acknowledged it, are fixing it, and still you want to whine. CCP are unable to go back in time and not encounter this bug, so either get over it or quit, both legitimate choices.

How about people who are not affected quit commenting?

I am affected, so I guess I'm free to comment. Now quit whining.

after dt my dla II was onlining without any fuss, maybe they've fixed it.

Lucky you, both of my chars that they messed with still cannot online DLA2's

How about people who are not affected quit commenting?

This should now be fixed. We are very, very sorry for this issue.

This should now be fixed. We are very, very sorry for this issue.

I still have the skill at 3. It's good I don't actually play EVE - or I could be angry =)

(or maybe I didn't had it at 5 at the first place? Not sure, I didn't heard about this skill before I've seen this thread - having it at 3 is a miracle already)