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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:13:00 -
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Space Invaders invaded my space. 
Veruna Caseti
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:14:00 -
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Oh, you never saw our own pod ?
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CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:16:00 -
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Nah, believe it or not this was the first ship I've lost.
Luckily it was my Bestower and not my Thorax - and all my good cargo expanders were not onboard.
However, there were 3 implants and 90 superconductors in the hold - but I convo'd the guy who killed me and apparently they blew up right along with me - so live and let die I guess.
I totally could have avoided it - "50 ships destroyed in the last 24 hours." 
Veruna Caseti
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:18:00 -
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We make that diffent with the Space Invaders. they want 3 m and we tell them for 50 million we let them escape 
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Charlemagne
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: Charlemagne on 01/10/2003 04:37:25
Space Invaders are exploiting the well-know -10.0 security status bug.
They killed Veruna in front of sentry guns at a stargate in a 0.4 security status system knowing that since they do not lose security status if they already have a -10.0 status, the guns will ignore them even if they commit aggressive action.
This is the same exploit that Molly and Tank CEO were threatened with bans about when they were pod killing afk miners in 1.0 systems.
In light of the new aggressive actions that CCP is taking against exploiters, I am amazed that Space Invaders would so brazenly take advantage of this known loophole which has been acknowledged as an exploit.
Charle
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Drachir
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:46:00 -
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apparently its not an exploit.
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Charlemagne
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:50:00 -
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apparently its not an exploit.
It IS an exploit. Tank CEO and Molly were both threatened with bans for using it.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.10.01 04:58:00 -
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Charlemagne, I need to clear up some facts before the rumors go crazy. Before the shield hardeners were nerfed it was easy to sit at a gate while a sentry gun shot you. I watched molly do it with a GM and another polaris member present. I was just passing through Yulai and stopped to watch what was going on. Saw it with my own eyes.
Sentry guns CAN be jammed. It only takes two cruisers to do it or one scorpion.
Or you can tailor your groups loadout to all buff one person so they can withstand the new sentries and just let that guy get hostiled first.
No cops come in 0.4
Please don't get the forum in an uproar over some exploiting that isn't actually exploiting. 0.4 space isn't supposed to be 1.0 space.
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Kasha
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:04:00 -
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I totally could have avoided it - "50 ships destroyed in the last 24 hours."
I like your attitude Veruna.
And to the person who accused us of the -10.0 sec rating exploit, i got news for you. That was fixed long time ago. Dont believe me? Ask anyone with -10. sec rating. And next time dont accuse us of exploits if you have no idea what you are talking about.Makes you look dumb.
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Charlemagne
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:08:00 -
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Lola,
The rumor is that they are sitting at the gate camping it and several people have been attacking.
I distinctly remember a patch note that said that sentry guns would no longer be jammable.
Also, considering the fact they are all -10.0, they would not incur hostility from the sentry guns anyway so there would be no need to "buff" someone to be able to withstand the sentry guns. Which is impossible now anyway, they still do 200+ dmg per shot even with stacked shield hardeners.
Not to mention the fact that they wouldn't be able to sit at the gate for 30-45 minutes after their first act of aggression.
And I have in the past few minutes heard of several people being assaulted by them at the Aurahunen (sp?) gate.
They are exploiting. Plain and simple, which is a surprise, because I didn't know Space Invaders were exploiters. Always thought of them as one of the more "honorable" pirate corporations.
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Die Harpie
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Die Harpie on 01/10/2003 05:19:04
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Sentry guns CAN be jammed. It only takes two cruisers to do it or one scorpion.
No cops come in 0.4
Sentry guns could no longer be jammed after the the 1165 patch (unless that is broken now). Also, I have been shot by Sentry guns in .3 space after shooting another player near them. My rating was not -10 but -4 or so. CONCORD did not show up but those Sentry guns wasted me really quickly (frigates are cheap)
All in a .3 system, that's right, .3 Sec System. If they (SI or anyone else) are in a .4 system, camping a gate with Sentry guns and attacking other players then the Sentry guns should definetly be shooting at them - no question.
Question: Are the sentry guns tied into the Sec Level Drop or to any hostile action against another player? If it is the latter, they shoot the aggressor every time; however, if it is the former, and the aggressor cannot lose any more security points, well, that is a bug in the game (has been for a while now it seems). Knowing that and camping a .4 gate becuase you also know that CONCORD will not appear, is abusing a game bug, which is also known as an Exploit(tm).
It obviously works if the count for the past 24 hours is over 50 ships in that .4 Sec System.
EDIT: Were the sentry guns shooting at the SI Pilots? Because as soon as the first shot is fired, the Sentry Guns fire at the aggressor. Anyone attacked by them at that gate would know it.
EDIT2: Great attitude by the way Veruna, good form!
Die Harpie
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Charlemagne
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:21:00 -
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Die Harpie,
It is tied to security status drop. And no from what I have heard from the people who have been killed by them, they are simply camping the gate and the sentry guns are not taking any action against them.
Space Invaders know damn well they are exploiting.
Charle
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 01/10/2003 05:28:39
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Die Harpie,
It is tied to security status drop. And no from what I have heard from the people who have been killed by them, they are simply camping the gate and the sentry guns are not taking any action against them.
Space Invaders know damn well they are exploiting.
Charle
Charlemagne, you are wrong. I know how SI is doing it. I also know how to counter it, as do others.
So zip it, eh? Because by your own words, you
HEARD
Nothing more
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Die Harpie
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: Die Harpie on 01/10/2003 05:36:03
Edited by: Die Harpie on 01/10/2003 05:33:35
Well that explains it then doesn't it?
1) You can't go below -10 Sec Status.
2) The guns will only shoot when the security status drops.
3) If it (Sec Level) can't drop, the guns won't shoot.
That's a freebie isn't it? Just add pirates.
Pretty simple really. Maybe too simple for some people to grasp. Oh well, whatever... just keep reading the map.
I know how they are doing it, and if they are doing the way I would do it, they are sneaky smart and in the clear.
Die Harpie
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:34:00 -
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Ooh! I think I figured it out too!
/em jumps onto an alt to confirm his suspicion...
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Lex Luger
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:35:00 -
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I have never played a game that is so full of idiots like this Charlemage.
Its due to dumb morons like you that we have a law that presumes innocence until proven guilty where i live. What evidence you have ? I know for a FACT that the -10. security rating exploit was fixed several patches ago. You on other hand acuse SI of exploiting just cos you feel like it. 
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Die Harpie
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:39:00 -
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Don't you just love that perfect moment of clarity, sc0rpion? Give me goosebumbs everytime.
Die Harpie
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 01/10/2003 05:42:02
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Edited by: Die Harpie on 01/10/2003 05:36:03
Edited by: Die Harpie on 01/10/2003 05:33:35
Well that explains it then doesn't it?
1) You can't go below -10 Sec Status.
2) The guns will only shoot when the security status drops.
3) If it (Sec Level) can't drop, the guns won't shoot.
That's a freebie isn't it? Just add pirates.
Pretty simple really. Maybe too simple for some people to grasp. Oh well, whatever... just keep reading the map.
I know how they are doing it, and if they are doing the way I would do it, they are sneaky smart and in the clear.
And maybe it's too complicated for you to figure out. I dunno...the words "Rumor" and "Heard" are pretty big.
Both way over 3 letters. One even has TWO syllables!
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:41:00 -
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Yes. Yes I do. Now, to find those megacite shipments...
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:44:00 -
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Yes. Yes I do. Now, to find those megacite shipments...
Eh...Anyone that gives it a half second worth of thought will cost you a ship or 3...Okay, I exaggerate.
Took me about 10 seconds to figure out a counter to one method of pulling this off. Cheap and messy too
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:50:00 -
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ehehehe!
Long range weapons. 
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:52:00 -
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They were sitting right beside me, just kilometers from the gate.
Veruna Caseti
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Drachir
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Posted - 2003.10.01 06:01:00 -
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you CAN jam sentry guns.
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Drachir
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Posted - 2003.10.01 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: Drachir on 01/10/2003 06:02:46
eep, double post.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.10.01 06:04:00 -
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I will have to test out the sentry gun "jamming" if they can be jammed that would directly contradict previous patch notes but would be a welcome change.
this thread has gotten several new evil and twisted ideas brewing in my head... need to test 'em out.
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Die Harpie
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Posted - 2003.10.01 12:18:00 -
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If they were positioned right besides you at the gate, oops, used a few words there that were not monosyllabic  , they should have been shot at by the sentry guns.
If they were able to jam the sentry, against what patch 1165 states, then that it clearly broken and needs to be fixed. If you can jam a sentry gun knowing you are not supposed to be able to do so, and you do so on a continual basis, it is also an exploit.
Then again, I am sure those fine, fine people who are doing it have reported that Sentry Guns can be jammed, right? Sure they have...
Jash: When did I insult you personally, hmm?
Die Harpie
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.10.01 12:31:00 -
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If you can figure out how to get your ship to withstand:
Rate of fire 1.75
EM Damage16 hp
Explosive Damage16 hp
Kinetic Damage28 hp
Thermal Damage28 hp
Times 2 guns. Then you too can go hostile on people in 0.4 and below. Come on people, it really isn't that hard of a puzzle. I'll give you a hint: use team work.
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.10.01 12:43:00 -
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Veruna was cool about it, no ranting or raving at all. Why is everyone else freaking out so much? She showed some great character by rolling with it the way she did and was rather calm about it when it happened last night, too.
I am curious about the guns. Did the Sentry Guns actually fire at them?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.01 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 01/10/2003 13:01:06
"Rate of fire 1.75
EM Damage16 hp
Explosive Damage16 hp
Kinetic Damage28 hp
Thermal Damage28 hp"
... Aren't those stats for PC sentry guns?.. few times the sentries shot me, they did 200-300 hp per single shot not the mere ~90 you have listed here... (damage modifier, mayhaps?)
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:02:00 -
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Tachyons...
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