Does she not know that the EVE player base is WHY new players do not stick around?

What are your thoughts on how to keep EVE growing and get new players to stay?

As much as people like to ***** about players who Rat and do Incursions and missions and INDY
Those activities is why EVE even has an economy in the first place
If it was up to the EVE player base they would make the game Pure pvp and full time gank fest.

So, opening the API to additional data sources and looking for more 3rd party tools is going to do that? Really? Do tell...

Those are the ones that were going to leave anyway, regardless of the player base. There is an argument that many new players DO stick around because of the player base. Players like myself are proof of that argument.

That is not 100% true and is pure speculation. And even if it was true, Why not work to keep both types of players?

More player-made content. After all, the community and its escapades are what brings people to the game and makes them stay these days.

It's not speculation at all, and it's provable.

This is true but how quickly do these new players find out they are not going to jump into these big battles they read about on the internet?

My point in player driven content being one of the reasons new players leave are things like recruitment scams , ganking , market escrow scams, contract scams, Bonus room/ isk doubling scams ect are all examples of "player driven content"

Do tell

No-on particularly bitches about players who do any of those things. People ***** about carebears, who are wholly unnecessary for the economy and who keep refusing to accept the simple fact that the game is PvP through and through.

So you are implying that the carebears are not necessary to the economy what so ever?

Pure indy players would also be removed.

PVP does not generate ISK nor Does it generate ships.

So you are implying that the carebears are not necessary to the economy what so ever?
If we were to take and remove every carebear from the game the EVE economy would be as active and as diverse as it is now?

Think hard about this one though in this case we can not convert carebears to PVPers we would have to think about the effect it would have on the economy if every carebear account was to be ban from EVE.

What would happen with the loss of money to CCP? Plex would also become less desirable, Pure indy players would also be removed. Please give me a scenario with current game mechanics the way they are on how the economy would look with all these players gone from EVE.

PVP does not generate ISK nor Does it generate ships. So again without changing any game mechanics draw me out the scenario with all carebears ban from EVE.

Sure there are many that are complete asshats (love that British saying) and will rob you blind and then some, but not everyone is that way.

Anyway, stop playing with those filthy RPIng Coders. They sound Aussie/NZ to me = completetly off their ****. No racial slurs intended, carry on.

Who said they would?

Why, Andie did.

Why, Andie did.

PVP does not generate ISK nor Does it generate ships. So again without changing any game mechanics draw me out the scenario with all carebears ban from EVE.

Those are the ones that were going to leave anyway, regardless of the player base. There is an argument that many new players DO stick around because of the player base. Players like myself are proof of that argument.

I personally think leaving it up to the player base the game will become even more niche than it already is.

"The massively-multiplayer online game set in space, Eve Online, recently got a new executive producer, and she wants to empower the game's existing players so they can help bring new players to the game."

Does she not know that the EVE player base is WHY new players do not stick around?

"The shift of power to the players is also a sign of Nordgren putting faith in the community's"

This is one naive person.

Read the full story here http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/25/5935863/eve-online-andie-nordgren

If CCP thinks New Players will stay based on player made content they are out of their minds and we will continue to see lower numbers online over the next few years.

What are your thoughts on how to keep EVE growing and get new players to stay?

More player-made content. After all, the community and its escapades are what brings people to the game and makes them stay these days.

No-on particularly bitches about players who do any of those things. People ***** about carebears, who are wholly unnecessary for the economy and who keep refusing to accept the simple fact that the game is PvP through and through.

That is not 100% true and is pure speculation. And even if it was true, Why not work to keep both types of players?

Except that doing that doesn't have to be the sum total of what Andie meant.

Generating more opportunities for content =/= only providing more API tools.

The quote even clearly identifies 3rd party tools as a part of an established players gameplay. Not the sum total and nowhere did she say from what's in the article, that CCPs entire strategy is built around that sole aspect of development.

You've extrapolated her quote into something we have no evidence she said.

Don't think I said that either, Scipio. Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where I did anything other than ask how that would do that. Not "How, all by itself, excluding anything else that is coming down the pipe will this thing, on its own, in a vacuum, change the game?"

How, at all, does enhancing player toolset capabilities, help in any way to move toward "A year from now I want Eve Online to be a thriving community with not just one big story going on in terms of the player-driven activities in the game"? That is the only change/feature/enhancement she spoke of in the interview, so I don't think questioning how the one thing she touted moves the game toward the goal she stated. I think it's a reasonable question.

Same here. Can't the few of us that, you know, have kept this game going for 11 years, have this ONE game that isn't like all the others in terms of policy and playstyle?

No-on particularly bitches about players who do any of those things. People ***** about carebears, who are wholly unnecessary for the economy and who keep refusing to accept the simple fact that the game is PvP through and through.

So you are implying that the carebears are not necessary to the economy what so ever?
If we were to take and remove every carebear from the game the EVE economy would be as active and as diverse as it is now?

Think hard about this one though in this case we can not convert carebears to PVPers we would have to think about the effect it would have on the economy if every carebear account was to be ban from EVE.

What would happen with the loss of money to CCP? Plex would also become less desirable, Pure indy players would also be removed. Please give me a scenario with current game mechanics the way they are on how the economy would look with all these players gone from EVE.

PVP does not generate ISK nor Does it generate ships. So again without changing any game mechanics draw me out the scenario with all carebears ban from EVE.

I want hundreds of story-lines going on between many more entities in the game. That's what we're trying to build with all the new features."

So you are implying that the carebears are not necessary to the economy what so ever?
If we were to take and remove every carebear from the game the EVE economy would be as active and as diverse as it is now?

No, I'm flat out stating it as a fact.
They do not fill any unique and necessary function and could be excised wholly without any real adverse effect (wellGǪ maybe the forums would get a bit more boring, but that's about itGǪ and that's not part of the game economy anyway so it's rather besides the point). Anything and everything they do can be GÇö and already is GÇö done by non-carebears, commonly to a much greater effect, efficiency, and volume than the carebears can muster.

Yes it would.

They are few in numbers but loud with their mouths. They don't add anything to the game, they don't do anything of note, they refuse to adapt or use tools available to them, they create zero content and they are forever demanding that EVE be turned into yet another WoW clone.

CCP Seagull is saying lots of things that makes me happy for the future.

So you are implying that the carebears are not necessary to the economy what so ever?
If we were to take and remove every carebear from the game the EVE economy would be as active and as diverse as it is now?

Think hard about this one though in this case we can not convert carebears to PVPers we would have to think about the effect it would have on the economy if every carebear account was to be ban from EVE.

What would happen with the loss of money to CCP? Plex would also become less desirable, Pure indy players would also be removed. Please give me a scenario with current game mechanics the way they are on how the economy would look with all these players gone from EVE.

PVP does not generate ISK nor Does it generate ships. So again without changing any game mechanics draw me out the scenario with all carebears ban from EVE.

It's the new features presented at Fanfest each year that brings in people.

I talked to a few Dev's at the Hollywood E3 Meet a couple of months ago and they said that the main content engaged by the majority of the player base is PvE.

So what exactly are these "carebears" doing while logged in that would cause them NOT have any impact on the game world or game economy what-so-ever?

I still can't understand why EVE doesn't have a built-in EFT.

It's the new features presented at Fanfest each year that brings in people. Due to CCP's in-ability to deliver what they promise causes players to leave. Not to mention all the buggy releases CCP constantly implements time and time again...

DMC

It's the new features presented at Fanfest each year that brings in people.

I love how third-party tools are identified as a good thing.

They were developed because the game itself doesn't provide the tools necessary to play it.

Many of the tools will not be things that all players have access to in the first place. All of the tools give the player with the programming skills more "power" than the player who has none. That's not a good thing.

Thanks for the article link, OP. It's proof positive that CCP really is living in a fantasy land.

More player-made content. After all, the community and its escapades are what brings people to the game and makes them stay these days.

Yeah this is gonna back fire epically.

This game is drowning in stuff that need to be done and in dire need of updating game elements.

This game is a themepark already, existing content has been graphed out to such extent by the playerbase over the years that there's little to no potential left for innovating a gameplay aspect of the sandbox.

"Currently we have two big power blocks that are kind of locked in a struggle. I want hundreds of story-lines going on between many more entities in the game. That's what we're trying to build with all the new features." - Andie Nordgren via this article at polygon

So, opening the API to additional data sources and looking for more 3rd party tools is going to do that? Really? Do tell...

This^^

Hundreds of stories? they are all the same. X joins a corp, X betrays corp by Awoxing, feeding information or simply being a douche.

Player driven content? This is just the buzz-phrase excuse for ganking and scamming. Ganking IS part of EvE but to dress it up as actual content is just polishing a turd.

This whole post by the new boss simply smells of the usual marketing spin to disguise the implication that they have run out of ideas and want the players to do the job for them.

Would have been nice if the "welcome" thread was a bit more positive. Imagine what an epic job that must be.

More player-made content. After all, the community and its escapades are what brings people to the game and makes them stay these days.

Oh andGǪNo-on particularly bitches about players who do any of those things. People ***** about carebears, who are wholly unnecessary for the economy and who keep refusing to accept the simple fact that the game is PvP through and through.


Who said they would?

You seem bright which makes me curious why your views are so limited in regards to new players. Player made content does bring new players to EvE, but relative to what? other games experience more rapid growth without player made content.

Player made content should be in addition to changes that make the NPE more enjoyable to...more.

I helped push a previous PvP game to be more PvP centric. Give you one guess as to what happened, players left in droves. This may be what you want, but in general PvP games do not succeed. As it is EvE is not a PvP game as PvP games require skill, not who brings the bigger or most dicks to the table or has played longer.

They also experience more rapid drop-offs a month or three later and then go into maintenance mode for a while before being replaced by the newest thing. It's very obviously not a good way to model, and EVE's history shows this fairly well.

No-one is arguing otherwise.

As luck would have it, EVE breaks the mould. Not only is it a PvP game, but one where the biggest or most long-lived **** on the table isn't what determines the winner. An NPE that explains this difference from how most GÇö or even all GÇö other MMOs do it would probably help a lot in adjusting the expectations of the new players. Curing them from such horrid diseases as GÇ£can't catch upGÇ¥ or GÇ£don't do X until you have YGÇ¥ would do no end of good.

If there is anything that would cause EVE players to leave in droves, it is a sharp departure from the kind PvP-centric, player-run, sandbox gameplay that has made it so long-lasting GÇö experiments into the area of PvE raids (incursions) and good visuals (incarna) as attractors has shown that this doesn't really create any kind of customer retention.

GǪbut that's not what I said, now was it? I said that they are wholly unnecessary and can be removed without ill effects.

No-on particularly bitches about players who do any of those things. People ***** about carebears, who are wholly unnecessary for the economy and who keep refusing to accept the simple fact that the game is PvP through and through.

No, I'm flat out stating it as a fact.
They do not fill any unique and necessary function and could be excised wholly without any real adverse effect (wellGǪ maybe the forums would get a bit more boring, but that's about itGǪ and that's not part of the game economy anyway so it's rather besides the point). Anything and everything they do can be GÇö and already is GÇö done by non-carebears, commonly to a much greater effect, efficiency, and volume than the carebears can muster.

You said [GǪ] And [GǪ]

Also I'm still waiting on a clear definition of "carebear"

Because from what I've seen on the forums, people who play the game as safely as possible are 'carebears'. Without a clear definition of what a carebear is, you can not do anything except speculate the impact that the removal of such players will have.