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Poen
Ordo Mercuia
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:29:00 -
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With all the great updates and content it's hard to really pay attention to a pie in the sky ship like the titan. However, ever since I began playing eve online years ago, it was always my intention to sit in a titan by any means. I'm the kind of gamer that has no problem spending months working up the resources and components and implants, just to lose them all in one great fight or something. And as I skilled to mission and mine for everything I needed, I also raised skills from the titan mastery pages and prerequisites to the point where I'm only 79 d away, less with my last neural remap for spaceship command.
Let me first say that tactical Titan use that I've seen on youtube is pretty impressive, and I understand why if you value your investment you'd be very careful with a Titan.The point is I spent at least a year and some working to that goal and I'm now saving up for a BPC to build. When I brought this to the "Help" chat I got some pretty upturned noses. I don't get it, these are the biggest, baddest ships out there, the showcase of CCP right there. Consider the kind of attention it brings, the new players it must intrigue. They told me it would never happen, because noone would let you actually get the titan built. That people would raid it and sack the goods and sell them off. They also told me that the Titan is apparently worthless in combat. I'm also told that titan pilots are "forced" to logout to make alternate characters and only log on when they are summoned. And then finally I was told the Titan isn't even a fun adversary to fight.
I guess the Titan is not really a possibility for me after all. After all of the isk I spent on the skillbooks and the time it took to train these skills, it's just not possible. Why is the game designed this way? Titans are like the size of mobile cities, they look spectacular compared to some of the smaller ships, and in a space game there is a great need for a looming giant that is both difficult and fun to fight. And it's something that drew me to EVE right away. I had a misconception about Titans, that perhaps after all these years they would have been improved or reworked to either provide a benefit to players or provide a fun fight for all these 300 man Hawk fleets! And just to see the brilliant explosion of the huge ship, it would be worth it. It is a game after all. Imagine if everyone just shot down anyone that chose to play minmatar, I feel it's an apt comparison.
Anyways I say this with peace and love, I really enjoy the community and the game, I just don't get why if I want to make a big ship and lose it entertaining some corporation or something, and get podded, and it doesn't bother me, that I'd be allowed that opportunity. It was truly my goal to sit in the Titan and see for myself what it was like. I'm still going to finish the skillplan for it, in hopes that someday Titans don't have to be forced to play a certain way. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8220
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:31:00 -
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Well, one of them is shaped like a huge *****, if that is worth anything. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
TharOkha
0asis Group
860
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:37:00 -
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Quote: Titan - What's the point?
They are thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig I.......................................O.o.........................................I . |
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
309
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:37:00 -
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I had the same feeling when I started flying caps. I finished training a titan character long ago. Still dont have one.
The rest of your post makes little sense to me. It looks like you think its strange other people want to blow up a 125 billion isk ship.
I really dont understand how you claim to work for building a titan, but spend no time in making sure you build it safely. |
Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now.
71
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:48:00 -
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The problem with the Titan is its inability to escape once captured. You need a large fleet of capitals ready to pull your ass out of the fire if you do get tackled taking it for a joy ride or DDing a red carrier/dread or something.
If you do take it of the POS for some fun, it's going to bring immediate attention from PL, BL, the CFC etc if it's seen on DSCAN. Especially now that you've annouced it on GD
Warping a Titan can take a longgggggg time without Intertia stabs and velocity modifiers and other mods.
So this leaves you with a couple of options.
1. Join the one of the big players like the CFC or PL and they'd probably be able to back you up when you get into strife while out hunting down capitals for lols. Dunno how long it will take for you to get on that sort of level of trust, but whatever. Also don't join one of these guys saying "Hey guys I got a Titan, where do you want it?" They'll probably kill it for the lols. best to get it after you've proven you're competent.
2. Probably a dumb option, but. have cyno alts or cyno generators within jump range of the Titan at all times so if a HIC/dictor warps onto grid you can immedately cyno out of system (but this will require you at jump cap at all times). Risks of this method are, One: They know your cyno alts/generators and just sit in system with them and get you to panic cyno out to one of them and bam, you're tackled and dead.
3. Use your Titan for bridging only, keeping it in the POS shield means it's just about 100% safe. POS bumping is now illegal as long as the Titan is fully within the shield (as I understand it). Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10828
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:49:00 -
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Once you've finished skilling for a titan you can sell the character for a pretty penny. And then go use the isk for something fun. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6307
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:50:00 -
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Alastair Ormand wrote:3. Use your Titan for bridging only, keeping it in the POS shield means it's just about 100% safe. POS bumping is now illegal as long as the Titan is fully within the shield (as I understand it). When a spy gets the POS shield password, they can still bump you out.
Yes, the Titan is more like you buy something for your coalition's supercap FC to use. Somewhat similarly for supercarrier ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10904
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:51:00 -
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one of my characters has been titan ready for a year now and i just don't care to put it in one because it wouldn't be used for actual combat more than once a year Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6537
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:53:00 -
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Weren't those things obvious before you felt that you wanted to sit in one? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:56:00 -
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Even CCP basically designed them as a giant **** that you can roll over lesser player's faces, and not much else.
That said, B-R was won by titans because under heavy Tidi, their doomsday weapons were the only things able to be reliably used.
There are also people who do "drive by doomsdaying" on ratting carriers, which is rather risky.
It seems to me that you saw a Titan as some sort of "end game" that you could aspire to, and then were disappointed when you learned it wasn't. That's just EVE. There's no end game, and a Titan is just one tool among many. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10904
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Posted - 2014.07.28 09:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Weren't those things obvious before you felt that you wanted to sit in one?
I got the skillbooks as a gift and I eventually got all of the titan-related skills to 5 on that character. That character also has max leadership and max Nyx/Thanatos/Moros skills so I figured it wouldn't hurt to get it to max Erebus skills.
Right now I don't even have any capital pilots subscribed (other than this one which can fly a Nag) Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1440
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:01:00 -
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Poen wrote:With all the great updates and content it's hard to really pay attention to a pie in the sky ship like the titan. However, ever since I began playing eve online years ago, it was always my intention to sit in a titan by any means. I'm the kind of gamer that has no problem spending months working up the resources and components and implants, just to lose them all in one great fight or something. And as I skilled to mission and mine for everything I needed, I also raised skills from the titan mastery pages and prerequisites to the point where I'm only 79 d away, less with my last neural remap for spaceship command.
Let me first say that tactical Titan use that I've seen on youtube is pretty impressive, and I understand why if you value your investment you'd be very careful with a Titan.The point is I spent at least a year and some working to that goal and I'm now saving up for a BPC to build. When I brought this to the "Help" chat I got some pretty upturned noses. I don't get it, these are the biggest, baddest ships out there, the showcase of CCP right there. Consider the kind of attention it brings, the new players it must intrigue. They told me it would never happen, because noone would let you actually get the titan built. That people would raid it and sack the goods and sell them off. They also told me that the Titan is apparently worthless in combat. I'm also told that titan pilots are "forced" to logout to make alternate characters and only log on when they are summoned. And then finally I was told the Titan isn't even a fun adversary to fight.
I guess the Titan is not really a possibility for me after all. After all of the isk I spent on the skillbooks and the time it took to train these skills, it's just not possible. Why is the game designed this way? Titans are like the size of mobile cities, they look spectacular compared to some of the smaller ships, and in a space game there is a great need for a looming giant that is both difficult and fun to fight. And it's something that drew me to EVE right away. I had a misconception about Titans, that perhaps after all these years they would have been improved or reworked to either provide a benefit to players or provide a fun fight for all these 300 man Hawk fleets! And just to see the brilliant explosion of the huge ship, it would be worth it. It is a game after all. Imagine if everyone just shot down anyone that chose to play minmatar, I feel it's an apt comparison.
Anyways I say this with peace and love, I really enjoy the community and the game, I just don't get why if I want to make a big ship and lose it entertaining some corporation or something, and get podded, and it doesn't bother me, that I'd be allowed that opportunity. It was truly my goal to sit in the Titan and see for myself what it was like. I'm still going to finish the skillplan for it, in hopes that someday Titans don't have to be forced to play a certain way.
Titan is a ship made not to be wanted and used by 1 person, but by a corporation of at least a few dozen.. anythign elss than that and its a waste of an account. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now.
71
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:01:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Alastair Ormand wrote:3. Use your Titan for bridging only, keeping it in the POS shield means it's just about 100% safe. POS bumping is now illegal as long as the Titan is fully within the shield (as I understand it). When a spy gets the POS shield password, they can still bump you out. Yes, the Titan is more like you buy something for your coalition's supercap FC to use. Somewhat similarly for supercarrier
Make a corp. Put yourself in it and no one else. Set access to corp only. Problem solved! Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6307
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:04:00 -
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Actually the way to do it is make sure titan pilots have roles to reset the pos password, allowing them to just change it whenever they feel threatened at all.
This is very important, by the way, bad things happen if you're in a pos with a password that spies could find, and are not able to change it. (Of course jumping out is a possibility before you are tackled... though you might be bubbled even within the pos bubble) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23448
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:07:00 -
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Remove all supercaps. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6308
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:10:00 -
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Supercaps are critical for vince draken's plan to destroy the evil blobbers and create a non-blue donut of northern associates ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23448
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Supercaps are critical for vince draken's plan to destroy the evil blobbers and create a non-blue donut of northern associates SooooGǪ remove all supercaps? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:SooooGǪ remove all supercaps?
Oh god I wish. I want to see a nullsec sov meta based around a variety of ships where newer players can actually have a meaningful combat position rather than the cap/supercap monstrosity we have going on now. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6308
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:19:00 -
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No they can't kill us with just subcaps. The structure grinds would kill them instead. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
185
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:36:00 -
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Poen wrote:Let me first say that tactical Titan use that I've seen on youtube is pretty impressive, and I understand why if you value your investment you'd be very careful with a Titan.The point is I spent at least a year and some working to that goal and I'm now saving up for a BPC to build. When I brought this to the "Help" chat I got some pretty upturned noses. I don't get it, these are the biggest, baddest ships out there, the showcase of CCP right there. Consider the kind of attention it brings, the new players it must intrigue. They told me it would never happen, because noone would let you actually get the titan built. That people would raid it and sack the goods and sell them off. They also told me that the Titan is apparently worthless in combat. I'm also told that titan pilots are "forced" to logout to make alternate characters and only log on when they are summoned. And then finally I was told the Titan isn't even a fun adversary to fight.
Titan is a flying space coffin, you have to sit in it 24/7. It cannot take on anything without being locked into a system for along time. Takes support fleet to work at an acceptable level.
I get your point 100%, but you thin that EvE is a single player game and that everything should be doable solo. If you can get sov solo and hold it until the titan is built, then all the power to you, but the second even a small corp hears that someone is doing a solo sov titan build you will get headshotted and aborted immediately. |
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Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
491
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:06:00 -
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You ever seen an Avatar? Oh boy ...! :O http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSolGÇÖs Special GǪ Legs GǪ 360 degrees. ;) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10829
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:16:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:You ever seen an Avatar? Oh boy ...! :O It looks like a mushroom. Shut up otherwise. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
496
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:53:00 -
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This is the points of titans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVmS5uBgaEU Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
239
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:55:00 -
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I don't think I can answer the question in the title without the overwhelming nullsec representation of the forums trolling this thread into the ground. Do you have it? |
Venjenz Sake
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.07.28 14:11:00 -
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Poen wrote:I guess the Titan is not really a possibility for me after all. After all of the isk I spent on the skillbooks and the time it took to train these skills, it's just not possible. Why is the game designed this way? The point of all supercapitals (imho) is a standard MMO team goal. None of them make sense outside supercap fleets, and all of them are and should be the juiciest, most savory targets in the galaxy just because. It's a big corp item for stuff big corps do in big corp space. I always figured supercapital skills were something you put on corp alts or toons you were going to sell to corps.
And the game was designed to give tangible, cool stuff to do for sandbox MMO players, even those folks who want to make a team of 1,000 players and own giant regions of space and patrol/defend/attack those regions with giant, epeen ships/fleets. Nothing wrong with supercapitals, nor the design decision to have them in game. Giant Megacorp_01 needs stuff to do too. |
Felicity Love
Second Battlegroup
2062
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Posted - 2014.07.28 14:18:00 -
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To know a titan, is to know true fappage... and conga lines.
Other than that... pretty much a big shiny epeen that no longer impresses the unwashed masses.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2356
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:07:00 -
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Well in the three years you where playing prior to starting to train for a titan you could have at least done some research on what/when and how they are used before you actually started training it?
You say you are now done after about a year , well in the last year there hasn't been much change , if any , for titans so the moment you bought that skillbook you could have known if you would even find it fun to fly a titan.
Let's give an example of my own experience.Years ago i started trading so i could afford myself a mothership aas the idea i had was that it would be awsome , once i had the isk i did some more trading to be able to buy 2 if the first would die.While i was trading for my 2nd motherhsip i did some more research into their use and found it would not suit what i find to be fun in this game.So , i didn't train for the mothership and just kept my trade going for other ships.
I now have a character wich can fly a mothership perfectly and within a few weeks of training a titan , i also have the isk to buy a lot of titans and yet ... yet i can not ever see myself buying one. I would rather spend all the isk a titan costs on T1 frigs and enjoy myself in FW space then to buy a titan only to ''a few times a year'' log on the character to come on another titankill wich i probably would have been on anyway if i flew a rifter.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3395
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:13:00 -
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Build it and they will come. Oh god. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
463
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:49:00 -
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Poen wrote: ...want titan...
make 70-100bil.
buy titan on forums - use only chribba as third party. even then beware of scams.
do the transaction, jump titan into unknown location with freshly made cyno alt noone knows about. immidiatelly stash it in an alt pos or cloak it.
and you have a titan.
whether you can use it or not, its a good question. without serious sub-cap support, you will most likely die. you need buds to keep enemy bubbler and dictor off you for 10min...
its mostly an alliance-level ship with specific purpose, its not really a fun ship to fly.
go for a super-carrier, those you can use on your own to hot-drop freighters or ratting carriers. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2718
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:09:00 -
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A Titan is a character coffin. I'd never skill my "main" into one. If I felt the need for a Titan, I'd buy a pilot off the character bizzare or if you're really patient, skill one up on a second account (I'm not that patient, but will also probably never have a Titan).
A Titan isn't the sort of thing you would have outside one of the big alliances. I don't think you can even build one unless you are in an alliance that holds sov. So at the least you'd have to be in a renter alliance (but not CFC's since they don't allow renters to build them). But to actuallly make any use of it, you'd need to be in the actual alliance. I wouldn't mention that you have a Titan you'd like to bring to their alliance on the application, just sayin'.
If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
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