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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.07.07 16:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
Edited by: Cruz on 07/07/2006 15:14:35
Originally by: Yellow Banana
#1 Make all item or ship bonuses apply only to the race they originate from. None racial gear would work as normal but things like Kestrels and gistii boosters would only work, or rather the bonus they get would only work, for the specific race. Remeber that all the pirate groups are racial off shoots of the big four. Race specific mods would just work like regular unamed mods in the hands of another race.
gist mods are angel mods ;-)
AKA Minmattar.
So yes please make it so caldari can't use Gist gear 
You lose. Gist-a smalls only drop from Seprentis 3/10 so only Gallente like me would be able to use them on our Harpies 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.07 16:43:00 -
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Actually, they are still angel, even though the drop is ****** 
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Hub Quantum
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Yellow Banana
Suddenly race would be a big deal. So would faction ships since they are multiracial.
Well thats my idea, charcoal and lighter fluid are in the pit so let the flames begin
Thousands of people, probably tens of thousands of people have spent months and years training ships and modules that are not the primary for their race. That is not something you implement after you have let tens of thousands of people waste their time; sorry. That would be an interesting idea to start the game off with, but now there is no reason to screw tens of thousands of people.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:37:00 -
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^^ Are you Backdoor's brother?
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:45:00 -
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I find it funny that nobody can remember it, but interceptors had a racial bonus, thanks god everyone was against it (me too) and it got changed into what it is today...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
I find it funny that nobody can remember it, but interceptors had a racial bonus. thanks god everyone was against it (me too) and it got changed into what it is today...
Old interceptors
I wasn't around back then, so I don't remember it. On the other hand, that picture is overlapped so much it shows pretty much nothing 
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Sebroth
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sebroth on 07/07/2006 19:00:35
YES YES YES!!!
The price for vaga will drop
The price for domi web will drop
The price for domi warp disruptor will drop
The price for domi mwd will drop
The price for my shield booster on my vaga will drop too
The only backside is that Im not sure about the corpum medium nosferatu
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 19:18:00 -
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The amount of idiotic posts on these forums is simply staggering. It seems to have at least trippled in the last two months.
Ohh, and the constructive answer to the OP:
NO!
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Karath Anno
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Posted - 2006.07.08 00:06:00 -
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Please no.
One of the absolute *best* things about Eve is that I can decide to try something new or different and *not* have to start a new character.
IÆve only been in the game for about two months and I made a Caldari because I liked the story, the look, and I though IÆd like their style of ships/combat the best. However after actually playing I have found that what I really enjoy is speed and close combat, for which Caldari ships could not be more poorly suited. So IÆm training up Minmetar and having more fun that ever now.
Under your proposal the two months I spent on my character would be totally wasted, I would have to either; play a game that is no fun, I do everything over again from the start (and again, and again until I ôget it rightö), or I quit. All so a choice that you have to make without having any experience in the game can be meaningful? No thanks IÆll pass, there is enough of that in EQ, WoW, AO, DOAC, DDO...
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.07.08 00:36:00 -
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NO NO
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2006.07.08 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: McScruff
No.
Americans aren't the only ones that can use an F17 to full ability.
'American' isn't a race, you nub.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.07.08 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Originally by: McScruff
No.
Americans aren't the only ones that can use an F17 to full ability.
'American' isn't a race, you nub.
um want to bet ???
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.07.08 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
I find it funny that nobody can remember it, but interceptors had a racial bonus. thanks god everyone was against it (me too) and it got changed into what it is today...
Old interceptors
It wasn't a bonus given to players of a specific race, only a poor choice of wording on CCP's part.
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The Anointed
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Posted - 2006.07.08 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: McScruff
No.
Americans aren't the only ones that can use an F17 to full ability.
But they dont sell them to everyone.
Originally by: McScruff
The British aren't the only ones who can fully exploit the Harrier Jump Jet, or Chalenger Tank.
Do the instructions come in more than one language?
Originally by: McScruff
People all over the world us AK47's to full devistating capability despite not being Russian.
People all over the world spray AK's in the general direction of a target that may or may not be Spraying an AK straight back at them.
Originally by: McScruff
A humans ability to use an item is based on skill and knowledge. Not blood.
Its also based on their ability to obtain and maintain that item.
My annoying point is that maybe the exact idea isnt that great, but it might be interesting to have a specific traight to each race. Even if its down to how your original character training was done. Dont always try to aply real life analogies to a game, after all, if 20,000 people put in orders for challenger tanks and F17's, I dont think they'd get a polite response.
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The Anointed
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Posted - 2006.07.08 01:43:00 -
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Oh, and by racial bonus/traight i mean something along the lines of race 1 gets a bonus to cap recharge, no matter what they fly.
Or you could have somethign like characters created as miners could receive a yield bonus.
Its all just ideas.
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Wat0721
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Posted - 2006.07.08 04:07:00 -
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Unfortunately enough for the guy who posted above me with all his detailed, sly comments, it's a very, very stupid idea.
Even "small" bonuses mean that a character that started that way will be better than a character than didn't. Period.
No, we don't need this.
/notsigned
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Okoru
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Posted - 2006.07.08 07:41:00 -
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No. Please, NO.
I'm gallente, but I'm mostly caldari spec'd. I know people who are Caldari but Gallente spec'd. And even if there was no penalty, if caldari got a racial bonus to thier ships, then I would automatically be inferior to another caldari ship piloted by a caldari. So, please, no.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.07.08 07:55:00 -
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This is a very bad idea. The whole point of the eve system is, that you have no limits other than those of your own choises. The only things that stick with you from day one are your stats, and even those don't limit your choises in the long run. They only change how much time you have to invest in doing what you want.
This is not a fantasy MMOG that has elf only items, and most of us really like that about this game.
So no thanks.
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Yellow Banana
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: mimik
i think the fact the OP has associated caldari ships with gisti mods for racial effectiveness sums up how serious this idea should be taken.
I never made that claim. I just listed one ship and one module. I never even claimed that a Kestrel was a caldari ship. But hey read what you want not what I write.
Anyway seems noone wants this and TBH I never thought it would ever be taken seriously by the devs, BUT it would make race important from a game mechanics point of view.
enjoy
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Yellow Banana
I never even claimed that a Kestrel was a caldari ship.
It is 
Originally by: Yellow BananaBUT it would make race important from a game mechanics point of view.[/quote
Which is exactly what we are all trying to avoid 
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Giant Haystacks
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Yellow Banana
Ok well yeah, but with #2 you can still use other races items just not 100% as well. And as to the RP/RL objections these races were seperated for 100s of thousands of years right? So the technology wouldn't be 100% the same therefore justifying a small penatly for cross racial use.
Otherwise why not just forget race all together and let us creat generic pilot Xs?
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Whty would that justify a penalty for crossracial use? Anyone could still use to learn another races tech. Why should a Caldari who's always flown Gallante ships, never Caldari, suddenly be nerfed to uselessness?
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Justicas Herror
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:49:00 -
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Worst Idea Ever! [/comic book guy accent]
This should have been suggested before EVE went live, and even then it's a pretty shabby idea. I use mostly Amarr ships, but I like to use Gallente and Minmatar ships too. Why should I have to automatically worse than a minmatar or gallente pilot who uses thier own ships, or automatically better than a one of them if they use Amarr ships. EVE is all about the Freedom; so what if you chose a race who's ships you dont like: just train the other ones.
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Octavio Santillian
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Octavio Santillian on 08/07/2006 08:54:25
 /me shakes his head. Those are horrible ideas! No offense, but they are in the running for the worst oneÆs I have yet come across in the forums. Why donÆt you just lobby to reset everyoneÆs SPs monthly?
I am Intaki, but I have flow Matari ships since my first week and have not trained in Gal since. I would quit Eve if these rules got implemented.
PS, Wow, I changed my Avatar over a month ago and the old one is still there.
ôWeÆre not doing for ISK...........WeÆre doing it for a ****load of ISK!ö
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Distun
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Posted - 2006.07.08 11:25:00 -
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I totally agree,please do this on the next EVE server!
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Galifardeua
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Posted - 2006.07.08 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: The Anointed
My annoying point is that maybe the exact idea isnt that great, but it might be interesting to have a specific traight to each race. Even if its down to how your original character training was done. Dont always try to aply real life analogies to a game, after all, if 20,000 people put in orders for challenger tanks and F17's, I dont think they'd get a polite response.
Then trade blockades should be implementable. Traders not letting certain aliances/corps/players/anyonone with over X standing with Y/... buy items from them.
But saying that because of race I got a bonus using items... no, they are not magical, it's technology.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2006.07.08 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yellow Banana
it would make race important from a game mechanics point of view.
Race is important in regards to culture and politics. Race also determines your starting attributes to a degree.
Race doesn't appear to be a big deal for trade purposes. Given how many planets are settled, 0.0 space, and people smart enough to read a blueprint, there's no effective way to set up a trade embargo to say, prevent Gallentes from buying Ravens. So race has little effect on trade.
It could make sense for the Jovians to have special stats from regular human stock, but only because they have diverged significantly.
And as the majority has stated, racial bonuses are a really bad idea. Aside from the RL/suspension-of-belief reasons, racial bonuses would make the game less fun, which is not a good thing.
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Ather Ialeas
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Posted - 2006.07.08 13:15:00 -
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I wouldn't mind seeing bonuses like "+10% damage to lasers per [ship type] skill level" on every single Amarr ship for example but I really would mind seeing "+10% damage to lasers if the pilot is an Amarr" as a bonus.
So yea...no.
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Posted - 2006.07.08 13:20:00 -
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What about the people like myself who are caldari, regret choosing caldari and so fly other race's ships instead?
Worst idea ever.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.07.08 16:16:00 -
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NO!
This would be very unfair to many long time players who specialized in eqipment from other races.
You dont make changes like this 3 years after release.
Id like to go so far as to insult the OP, but it would just get modded.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2006.07.08 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: StinkFinger
Originally by: McScruff
No.
Americans aren't the only ones that can use an F17 to full ability.
'American' isn't a race, you nub.
um want to bet ???
Yeah I do, nublet.
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