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Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 729	Posted - 2014.07.29 14:36:00 - [1] - Quote A question -- have you considered simply removing sentry drones from the list of drones to which the Ishtar confers a bonus? With the drone skill revamp done recently, it ought to be fairly straightforward from a technical perspective (unless, of course, I'm missing something.) Sentries are largely what make the Ishtar so strong, and it's not like the sentry drone would fall completely out of favor after being excised from the Ishtar. Doing this would provide a reason to fly a Dominix again. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 733	Posted - 2014.07.29 15:10:00 - [2] - Quote Another potential compromise, if you're intent on leaving sentry bonuses on the Ishtar: split out the drone damage bonus. The bonuses would look something like this: Ship bonus: 50.00% reduction in Microwarpdrive signature radius penalty 25km bonus to Drone operation range Gallente Cruiser skill level: 7.50% bonus to Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed 10.00% bonus to Small, Medium, and Heavy Drone hitpoints and damage Heavy Assault Cruisers skill level: 5.00% bonus to Sentry Drone hitpoints and damage 5.00% bonus to Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed This would let you separately tune sentry damage against other drones, and move the sentry bonus to the Heavy Assault Cruisers skill, which is much more difficult to maximize. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 734	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Ishtar - really want to emphasize how we would rather take smaller steps more often than big ones more rarely. After some more feedback here we will definitely revisit and make sure we are happy with this change for this release. Keep it comin How do you feel about breaking out the sentry bonus to hitpoints and damage from the base hitpoints and damage bonus so that sentries can be tweaked separately from small / medium / heavy drones? This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 735	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:45:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Sentry drones have enormous downsides. They can be killed like other drones AND they don't return to your ship. There's a reason they were never used at all until assist + these tracking/optimal bonuses came along. There's enough drone bay space plus cargo space (with depot) in an ishtar to carry 6 flights of sentries, letting you mitigate these "enormous downsides" quite effectively. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 737	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:53:00 - [5] - Quote Regarding sentry drones being killable, they're really not as killable as you think, either. Remember -- sentry drones apply damage at range. In order to kill a sentry drone safely, you have to be able to apply damage to it at or greater than its range. Trying to apply damage to a sentry drone inside its effective range is not particularly viable, as sentry drones track better than any weapon system with similar range and apply damage nearly as effectively as most short range weapons systems. With regular drones, they have to come to you, allowing for a much greater variety of weapon systems to affect them. Sentries just chew up anything that's a threat before the drones even come to harm. The only weapons systems that really pose a threat to sentry drones are bombs, and bombs both A) don't work in lowsec, and 2) have a polite 10 second detonation timer, allowing the ishtar to pull its drones before they are in danger, if they are in range. If not, the ishtar just shrugs and deploys one of its five replacement flights. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 738	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Retar Aveymone wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Taleden wrote: Sure, it's an interesting bit of variety that drone sizes are not tied to ship classes the way launchers and turrets are, but that puts you in the awkward position of finding a way to balance battleship-level DPS (which sentries clearly are) on a cruiser-class hull. I get more tank out of my Oracle than my ratting Ishtar, while having similar DPS and range. i, too, cite my ratting setups when discussing pvp balance I get more tank out of my Oracle than my ratting/PVP hybrid (not the weapon system) Ishtar and my pure PVP Ishtar, while having similar DPS and range. Happy now? You're forgetting damage application. Sentries track much, much faster than pulse or beam lasers. Ishtars are also much faster and have much lower signature radiuses than Oracles. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 738	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:40:00 - [7] - Quote Mods, please rename this thread to ENORMOUS DOWNSIDES: The Ishtar Story This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 739	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:59:00 - [8] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: Wow this is wrong on so many levels. I expected someone like you to have more of an idea. Baltec... Its baltec because no damage mods. How about comparing something in the whole spectrum of tank and dps. FYI, a "Baltec" Megathron fit has one Magnetic Field Stabilizer. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 740	Posted - 2014.07.29 19:02:00 - [9] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: To balance the ishtar I would greatly reduce the target range by 1/3 or to 52.8km. That way if you want to take advantage of the senty range you have to use sensor boosters. Ishtars will just assign their drones to someone with longer target range. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

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