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Taketa De
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 14:38:00 -
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Tami, this isn't about "ratting out" on somebody.
Brokerage is a business based on pure trust in EVE, it's important that all deviant behavior of any broker is pubilizied so that this trust for ALL brokers isn't damaged. People who act like this (without it being announced beforehand) should probably not be brokers and your naming them (assuming what you are saying is true) is a service to the community and an important part of doing business. People want to know about this and the brokers they work with. How else can they have trust and that trust be justified?
It will also allow them to defend themsleves here and hopefully explain their actions. Where they simply stealing your dividend? Where they passing it on to the previous owner? Did they pass it on after you mentioned their name but never intended to before that?
If you don't name the person, well... you're free to do that but it's either cowardly of you or we have to assume you made the whole thing up.
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:53:00 -
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I sent this thread to the person, in hopes he would send me my shares before he paid dividends.
Also hoping he replied.
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The shares where purchase with this char and another, EGSEX people can verify it.
It was BMBE shares brokered by TornSoul, he laster told me by evemail that the shares he was selling where from BIG.
I previouly owned 2 BMBE shares, and bought in total 24 more shares, from memory i think the dividend was 2.2mil / shares.
So i didnt get about 52.8mil .
This post proves or shows nothing, ever since my first post the people in charge of EGSEX as far as i know didnt do anything, nor have i been contacted by them in any way.
The people there can check it.
This also doesnt mean TornSoul is a scammer, from what i know of him thru he's reputation ... is very trusted, somehow he thinks it's not my right to receive this dividend even tought i paid the shares 1 week earlier.
I'd like to hear from a EGSEX person.
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Rantor
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 16:42:00 -
[33]
Totally unacceptable behaviour of TornSoul. If those shares were on sale, he was only meant to do the transaction, not to 'think' about anything while doing it. It should have been fast, reliable and trouble free.
TornSoul definetely goes to my blacklist. EGSEX can also go there if they don't reimburse the lost income and don't do take any disciplinary actions to TornSoul.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:11:00 -
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Agreed, EGSEX should take appropriate action (they'll have to verify the story ofcourse).
To be honest, the fact that it turns out to be TS (alledgedly) doesn't surprise me. He's shown some rather arrogant behaviour a couple of times before.
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:48:00 -
[35]
Edited by: TornSoul on 16/07/2006 17:52:44
 Originally by: Tami Auryn
the shares where purchased about 4 days before the estimated dividend distribution of those shares.
The (true) "estimated dividend payout" was the 1st of July.
Tami made his buy order later than this.
Not quite sure where the idea of an "estimated dividend payout" beeing different from the 1st of July comes from (and its wrong).
My perspective on this is as follows (very simplified etc)
I have a "TODO list" of things I need to do.
Samples from that list could be
1: Pay out dividend
2: Take care of sell/buy orders.
(with lots of other stuff on that list ofc - But I hope you get the idea)
I'm simply following that list (in order).
At times (due to RL and other stuff) things gets delayed.
Regardless delays, I'm sticking with the order of getting the things done.
In some cases when "extreme delays", as in this case, crops up, it can unfortunatly cause some "unexpected sideeffects".
Trying to "patch up" those sideeffects by doing things on my TODO list in a different order (or whateer), in my experience will simply be the cause of more (other) "unexpected sideeffects".
So I "stick with the list" - To try and keep the "unexpected sideeffects" to a minimum.
You may disagree with this approach or not, but it's how I do things.
At the end of the day (IMO) the end effect in this particular case, will be as if the dividend had been paid out on the assigned date, and subsequently the buy/sell orders handled.
(ie. as if there had been no delays etc in the first place)
In this case two "mistakes" (or whatever to call it) where made
1: The dividend didnt get paid out on the 1st of July (ie. it got delayed)
2: Tami made the assumption that the dividend was due on a date 4 days later than the purchase was made (I still dont understand where this one comes from - Maybe mixing up the time of the shareholder report with that of the dividend payout?)
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And just for the record I'd like to clarify my role as a broker with the EGSE as well.
- I _only_ deal in BMBE shares.
- I take no percentage (as other brokers do - and should)
(EGSE still claims their 1% ofc)
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Should the EGSE make any rules regarding how to handle something like this, I will ofc as a EGSE broker be obliged to follow those.
BIG Lottery
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EMFi Manager
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:19:00 -
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TS, I think that the problem is that as a broker for EGSEX, people expect you to act as the other brokers, even though you only deal in BMBE, other brokers deal in BMBE as well and other brokers didn't take into account when the dividends 'ought to be paid' vs 'was paid'
For example, Emfi is a very active fund with trades every hour.
If I announce to pay out dividends on 15:00 but actually pay out at 17:00 because my trustee was unavailable or my first report was rejected by my trustees... does that mean that the 7 transactions by 4 brokers should be held back?
I really don't think brokers should take into account when a fund had the intention to pay out divy or not.
Alt of Naphtalia
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:25:00 -
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I got the date of dividends being paid out in that next weekend from the #5 post of BMBE here in e-o forum, i made one of my purchases on the 5th and the dividend was annouced to be paid on the 8th or 9th, i belive it was on your post that was edited, some people even made fun about what weekend you where refering too.
I also have to agree with EMFi previous post.
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:52:00 -
[38]
Originally by: EMFi Manager
TS, I think that the problem is that as a broker for EGSEX, people expect you to act as the other brokers
Absolutly - and I dont disagree with that.
But I was actually beeing pretty serious about my TODO list approach.
As in, I've been completly swamped, and having a major backlog due to beeing gone for some days. As such I've simply opted to do the things one by one when I had the time. Everything else aside, thats basically the low down of it.
BIG Lottery
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:48:00 -
[39]
If you don't have the time to do your job as a broker, why don't you just resign?
People take the stock business very seriously, and it's all being built on player effort due to lack of game mechanics. I'm very much in favour of the saying 'RL > Eve', but in this case, you need to take that one step further and just don't agree to do things that you don't have the time for. It just shows bad form.
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:57:00 -
[40]
Originally by: TornSoul
1: The dividend didnt get paid out on the 1st of July (ie. it got delayed)
2: Tami made the assumption that the dividend was due on a date 4 days later than the purchase was made (I still dont understand where this one comes from - Maybe mixing up the time of the shareholder report with that of the dividend payout?)
1 is not your problem or business. As a broker, your business is not ensuring that dividends get to the 'right' people, but to process stock transfers as quickly and smoothly as possible. If BMBE dividends get delayed and the seller in this case feels cheated, that has nothing to do whatsoever with your role in this.
2 is simply irrelevant. Whatever assumptions Tami did or did not make about the dividend payouts, she should have had the shares transferred as soon as you logged on and processed the trade. And since you two were exchanging evemails I'm going to assume you had the trade registered and prolly ready to be processed...
BMBE has no formal obligations to pay out divididends at all. When and how BMBE pays out dividends is really none of your business, the same goes for who they pay their dividends to. As an EGSE broker you're obliged to process trades as fast as possible, and if you're selling an order with the added clause that the shares will not be handed over until after dividends have been paid, you need to specify that clearly to the potential buyer before any transactions take place.
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EMFi Manager
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.16 22:55:00 -
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4 players:
1) tami the buyer
2) Tornsoul the seller (Alliance leader of BIG)
3) Tornsoul the CEO of BMBE (issuing divvy)
4) Tornsoul the broker for EGSEX (handling the transaction)
and what the previous poster said, if #3 promisses to issue divvy at a certain time it doesn't matter to #4 since #4 has no way of knowing if BMBE will pay divvy ever ;)
I don't think that TS was trying to screw anyone, I think he acted what he thought is most fair, and logical given the circumstances.
I do think that he was mistaken and confused his 3 roles (seller, broker and product) he was playing.
I hope TS (#4) talks to (#2) and ask for hte Divvy that #3 paid back so he can give that to Tami..
Late payment of Divvy means that Tami got lucky and took a risk... and gets the divvy :)
Alt of Naphtalia
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:10:00 -
[42]
Edited by: TornSoul on 17/07/2006 01:12:33
Originally by: James Snowscoran
When acting as an EGSE broker, the date BMBE dividends get paid out are NOT your business.
Absolutly - In principle.
But again... I need to do both... One after the other... So...
Originally by: EMFi Manager
4 players: True
1) tami the buyer
2) Tornsoul the seller (Alliance leaderCEO of BIG)
3) Tornsoul the "admin head" CEO of BMBE ( telling the BMBE CEO to issueing divvy)
4) Tornsoul the broker for EGSEX (handling the transaction)
Just clearing that up for good meassure 
Originally by: EMFi Manager
if #3 promisses to issue divvy at a certain time it doesn't matter to #4
I agree, and I try very hard to keep those apart (and alot of other "hats" that I wear)
But unfortunatly as they are all the same person, it cant be multiasked, but has to happen sequentially.
Originally by: EMFi Manager
(1)I don't think that TS was trying to screw anyone, I think (2)he acted what he thought is most fair, and logical given the circumstances.
(1) Nope, never been my kinda thing.
(2) Yup (unfortunatly not all agrees - Same would probably have applied had I done it in reverse order)
BIG Lottery
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Caroglac
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:44:00 -
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when I evemailed you repeatedly about my 6 shares that I bought days before the dividend pay out you never responded
even though I saw you login atleast once.
You AS my BROKER should have informed me of your plans for withholding my shares...
I would have emediatly canceled my order.
personaly I dont think egse should permit any ceo to broker there own shares. there are to many conflicts of interest
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:36:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Caroglac
when I evemailed you repeatedly about my 6 shares that I bought days before the dividend pay out you never responded
even though I saw you login atleast once.
You AS my BROKER should have informed me of your plans for withholding my shares...
I would have emediatly canceled my order.
personaly I dont think egse should permit any ceo to broker there own shares. there are to many conflicts of interest
Hi Caroglac, i'm sorry to hear that you had the same problem as me :(
Would be interesting to see if the EGSE staff would make a oficial reply of their p.o.v. on this.
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Rantor
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:52:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Caroglac
personaly I dont think egse should permit any ceo to broker there own shares. there are to many conflicts of interest
Well, now we finally have a common example of the conflict of interests in EVE. :) I'm really glad that EVE has all the problems and peculiarities that we encounter in RL.
As for TornSoul responses: they don't make any sense to me. He was meant to be a broker, and he was a bad broker for two cases (at least), just because he hasn't done the transaction for a long time (and I don't care why). I personally wouldn't care of any other roles he has in game.
EGSEX doesn't do anything about this particular case - therefore they are a bad exchange company and can't deliver the expected level of service.
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Galec
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Posted - 2006.07.17 14:25:00 -
[46]
It's a shame you two had to suffer because of the greed, but it's good this all happened. Now everyone here knows to never use TornSoul as a broker.
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Cell Satimo
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:37:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Cell Satimo on 17/07/2006 15:37:54
So let's just get this right - a 4% dividend, and Torn Soul's arguement for brokering is 'Well i get 0%', EGSE gets '1%'. Well that's all and good, but a broker charging 3.5% (2.5% + 1% EGSE fees) would have been better for this buyer.
It certainly raises questions about BIG/BMBE growth ability. If everything rests on a single individuals self-admitted limited sequental processing, and they're over-extended with an alliance, corp, lotteries, loans, dividends and brokering, IMHO Expect to see more delays in the future.
Sold all my shares via another broker - The extra % was worth it.
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:37:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Caroglac
when I evemailed you repeatedly about my 6 shares that I bought days before the dividend pay out you never responded
even though I saw you login atleast once.
I have no Caroglac on my records of any share transfers.
There is however one using the same letters in his name as Caroglac (ie. an acronym).
I try very hard to answer all my mails - Always. Ask around.
Me not answering your mails at all... Sorry - I dont buy that.
Under the assumption that you are indeed the same guy, I'm extending the following offer to you and Tami.
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I will buy back the shares at the same price you bought them (not counting the 1% EGSE fee though) - and minus the 3rd part of the dividend you did get.
Take it or leave it.
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The offer is good for the next week.
*EVEmail* me.
I stand by my way of doing this in the order it was supposed to have happened.
You took a calculated chance on the dividend, and lucked out.
No where have I said that the dividend would be paid out on a specific date, except july 1st.
Tami saying she has got this impression from somewhere, is her faul up
(I've come to belive she has mixed up the dividend payout, with the announced date of the shareholder report beeing released.)
Originally by: Tami Auryn
Would be interesting to see if the EGSE staff would make a oficial reply of their p.o.v. on this.
I personally think we need some EGSE clarification as well (see puzzle below)
Originally by: Rantor
As for TornSoul responses: they don't make any sense to me.
I'm sure they dont.
Originally by: Rantor
He was meant to be a broker, and he was a bad broker for two cases (at least), just because he hasn't done the transaction for a long time (and I don't care why).
So, say, a death in the family wouldnt matter?
Careless remarks like that disgusts me. It's on par with Remidial and Firstname Lastname
(and no, I did not have a death in the family, I was however sick for some days. I'm simply making a point with the above example - About careless remarks. Think - Then write.
Originally by: Cell Satimo
Torn Soul's arguement for brokering is 'Well i get 0%', EGSE gets '1%'.
Huh?? Which fortune cookie did you read that in - That it should be "my argument for brokering"! ???
Please do show us.
Originally by: Cell Satimo
It certainly raises questions about BIG/BMBE growth ability. If everything rests on a single individuals self-admitted limited sequental processing, and they're over-extended with an alliance, corp, lotteries, loans, dividends and brokering, IMHO Expect to see more delays in the future.
I'm pretty sure my sequential processing is quite on par with yours (set up a test and lets find out) - But no one is immune to "force majeure".
Oh and btw for what it's worth, your list - is woefully inadequate.
Originally by: Cell Satimo
Sold all my shares via another broker - The extra % was worth it
Thanks - I appriciate not having to deal with you. Which appears to be mutual.
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Let me leave you with this little puzzle.
Buyer A puts in a buy order with broker B
5 minutes later dividend gets paid out.
That broker has no reasonable chance to get the shares to the buyer in time.
So the buyer dosnt get the dividend.
I think we can all agree that the broker hasnt 'got a chance' in this (5 min) case.
But whats the limit?
And can everyone agree to the same limit?
Solve that, instead of just pointing a finger and chanting "buhu bad person", then we might be getting somewhere instead.
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This snappy/bit out of character/angry/disgusted post (but the *nerve* of some ppl just... grrr) will be my last in this.
No one really seems to see my pov anyhow, and rather than repeating it over and over, I rest my case.
I've extended my offer to Tami and Caroglac (if he is the same as the one I have on record)
And also my wish for some clarification from EGSEX
Peace.
BIG Lottery
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EMFi Manager
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:01:00 -
[49]
Edited by: EMFi Manager on 17/07/2006 18:05:06
TS, the following scenario describes how brokers have been handling these cases... (note, the moment when a corp ought to pay out dividends vs the moment the corp actually pays out dividends is of no concern to the broker)
1) Monday Morning: Seller logs in, places sellorder with broker and xfers shares.
2) Monday Evening: Broker logs in and activates the order
3) Tuesday: Buyer logs in and presses [BUY] next to the buyorder buyer xfers isk [TIMESTAMPED]
4) Thursday: CEO pays out dividends
5) Saturday: Broker finally logs in (was sick for a few days) sees that the shares were paid for *before* dividend-payment hence he xfers the shares to the buyer *AND* the dividends the broker received on behalf of the buyer.
This is the way all brokers work and is fairest... that is what we mean with comparing 'timestamp' of payment vs. timestamp of actual dividend payment.
In the case of Tami, I believe the following happened (not actual dates)
1) 1/jun: Seller places sellorder through EGSE Broker
2) 15/jun: CEO announces that they ought to pay dividends every 1st
3) 1/jul: CEO doesn't actually pay dividends.
4) 5/jul: Buyer buys shares from Broker and pays
5) 9/jul: CEO actually pays dividends
6) 10/jul: Broker xfers shares to buyer but fails to xfer dividends he received on behalf of the buyer.
What you are saying TS, is that if a CEO announces he will try to pay dividends on a certain date, that the time he says he intends to pay dividends is more important then the time he actually pays dividends. It may feel natural to you since you represent 3 parties on the list and that RL problems affect each of the 3 persons equally ;)
In the same example but now for EIBI and Omber Zombie
1) Cally announces to pay out dividends every 28th of the month
2) On the 27th Cally still hasn't logged in yet, people start panicking and with the current controversy decide to sell of.
3) on the 27th a Seller places a sellorder 100shares @ 15Mil
4) on the 29th Cally has been spotted again, and someone decides to take a chance and sends 1.5bil to OZ and buys the shares.
5) Omber Zombie decides to wait with executing the order till Cally pays the dividends Cally ought to have paid on the 28th.
Now....
6a) What will happen if Cally *NEVER* pays dividends? who gets the 1.5bil? the buyer or the seller? in your theory, the buyer gets his isk back?
6b) What will happen if Cally pays dividends on the 10th of august?
Now take the same thing for RDST, RDST promissed to liquidate his corp and pay it out in dividends a few weeks ago... so any shares of RDST I buy now are worthless becuase all liquidation-dividends that will be paid out will be paid to the seller, because the liquidation ought to have happened a few weeks ago?
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What I am trying to illustrate is that it is crucial to use the actual timestamps in your wallet for transaction and keep all intel from the other 'roles' seperate. And don't hold on to shares becuase the CEO ought to have done something at a certain point in time (even though it is you and you know what you intended to do) :)
Alt of Naphtalia
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Galec
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:15:00 -
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Quote:
There is however one using the same letters in his name as Caroglac (ie. an acronym).
This made me giggle. It's an anagram, not an acronym.
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:32:00 -
[51]
Originally by: TornSoul
Let me leave you with this little puzzle.
Buyer A puts in a buy order with broker B
5 minutes later dividend gets paid out.
That broker has no reasonable chance to get the shares to the buyer in time.
So the buyer dosnt get the dividend.
I think we can all agree that the broker hasnt 'got a chance' in this (5 min) case.
But whats the limit?
And can everyone agree to the same limit?
Solve that, instead of just pointing a finger and chanting "buhu bad person", then we might be getting somewhere instead.
You're missing the point here.
Not processing an order because of RL stuff is completely acceptable. If this happens too often, you might not be suited to be an offical EGSE broker as they're supposed to broker the shares quickly and efficiently, but that's really secondary to the main case in point here.
The case in point is when you deliberately delay share transfers after an order has been processed.
This is unacceptable, and the fact that the corporation whose shares are being traded is fumbling with dividend payouts is not a valid excuse.
If you're unable to comply with this, I think you're unsuited to be a public broker.
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:14:00 -
[52]
Originally by: TornSoul
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I will buy back the shares at the same price you bought them (not counting the 1% EGSE fee though) - and minus the 3rd part of the dividend you did get.
Take it or leave it.
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The offer is good for the next week.
*EVEmail* me.
I never said i wanted to sell or be refunded for the shares i bought, i bought them because i want them, i rather have some isk flowing every month then going on the usual shopping sprees and spend it all.
What i feel is that i should have gotten that dividend.
On a side note,
today i spoke with a person from EGSE (not a broker) who's will not be posting in this thread, i'll quote her bellow.
From my understanding of what she said, no action will be taken or anything else, so brokers start holding shares if it's close to dividend pay day and start making your fortune now :)
Brokers are free to hold shares as said in the channel by EGSE, it's one of their "granted freedoms".
Can i be a broker too?
This will be my last post, i have to say the EGSE reply was 20x worse then not getting the dividend.
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[ 2006.07.17 18:59:28 ] Amia'e Erviale > hello
[ 2006.07.17 18:59:32 ] Amia'e Erviale > how can I help you
[ 2006.07.17 19:00:05 ] Tami Auryn > dont know if you have read the current discution in e-o forum, about purchases i made in EGSE ?
[ 2006.07.17 19:00:29 ] Amia'e Erviale > I read the E-O forums on a daily basis
[ 2006.07.17 19:01:37 ] Tami Auryn > i was wondering if i / we could get a oficial responce to it from EGSE
[ 2006.07.17 19:01:44 ] Amia'e Erviale > but I don't feel like entering that pool of flames and whining
[ 2006.07.17 19:02:15 ] Tami Auryn > ... ok
[ 2006.07.17 19:02:35 ] Amia'e Erviale > official response: "We are looking towards the future and all the current discussion is great input for my rewrite of the EGSE website and organisation"
[ 2006.07.17 19:03:07 ] Tami Auryn > k
[ 2006.07.17 19:03:13 ] Tami Auryn > ty
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:17:00 -
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Just as a note, i currently have 29 BMBE shares, my last BMBE shares we bought thru Excelsior, he was away the weekend, 100% aceptable, monday when he logged on, shares transfered.
Congrats to him :)
I wont be buying anymore from TS if he does not change his policy.
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Caroglac
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:46:00 -
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tornsoul,
I'll keep your shares.
if you had responded to my evemails I would have canceled the order you would have refuned the full 300m isk and no 1% would have been owed to egse.
and yes the character that actualy bought my shares is named "Lacgarco" and its an anagram of my main characters name "calgorac" just as this character's name is also an anagram
I wont be buying any more bmbe shares youve lost atleat one persons trust here :)
anyway,
later
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Mael Duakal
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:37:00 -
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Think there will be a lot more persons that wonŠt use brokers which have that "unique" view off who gets the dividends and who not. I hope EGSEx will clarify which brokers are working that way and which are not.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 22:26:00 -
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Quote:
I think we can all agree that the broker hasnt 'got a chance' in this (5 min) case.
But whats the limit?
And can everyone agree to the same limit?
Your hypothetical case in this instance is not relevant.
What the broker does:
1) Processes the transaction and gives the shares to the buyer.
2) Pays every single fraction of an ISK from the dividen payment that was INAPPROPRIATELY given to the broker to the buyer.
Obviously we can't expect the broker to be on within an arbitrary 5 minute timestamp. As much as you try to make it the issue, that is not the issue. YOU ARE KEEPING SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY. That's the issue.
It doesn't matter what you are in charge of BMBE.
It doesn't matter that you only broker BMBE shares.
No aspect of your relationship to BMBE, the timing of its dividends, the amount of its dividends, or anything else are important.
Buy order is made. Money is sent...that's the only thing that really matters. The very instant those two events take place, those shares and any dividend payments made to those shares are NOT YOURS. And really, they were never yours.
Hell, if I were selling shares on the EGSEx and a dividend payment came, I'd fully expect the broker to send me the dividends. Why? Because until they are purchased, they are *my* shares. They are, at *no* time, the broker's shares. Doing anything else is blatantly stealing.
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Cell Satimo
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: Cell Satimo
Torn Soul's arguement for brokering is 'Well i get 0%', EGSE gets '1%'.
Huh?? Which fortune cookie did you read that in - That it should be "my argument for brokering"! ???
Please do show us.
Post #35 'just to clarify' ...
Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: Cell Satimo
It certainly raises questions about BIG/BMBE growth ability. If everything rests on a single individuals self-admitted limited sequental processing, and they're over-extended with an alliance, corp, lotteries, loans, dividends and brokering, IMHO Expect to see more delays in the future.
I'm pretty sure my sequential processing is quite on par with yours (set up a test and lets find out) - But no one is immune to "force majeure".
Oh and btw for what it's worth, your list - is woefully inadequate.
Sure let's setup a test and find out. Then let's setup a test on the real issue at hand here - the limiting effect, our respective sequential processing ability has, on the operation of our in-game interests. I'll go on a 6 week break from the game, you do the same, and see how the our repective in-game interests fare.
Force Majeure is one thing, but in this particular case there was no force majeur involved. The fact that the list I made of your interests is woefully inadequate, and that you're sequential processing is the bottleneck for all of them, only casts more doubt on the timely functioning of all the BIG interests.
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rugah on 18/07/2006 09:28:42
The broker brokers shares.
HeŠs taking or taking not a payment for this service.
If the case appears, that a transaction falls that way, that the broker receives dividens, then the dividens belong to buyers or sellers depending on the timestamps of their appropriate transactions.
If the buyer placed his order befor the actual payment of the dividens, why should the broker or the seller be receiving any dividend payment?
Worse yet, it seems that the dividend payment was being kept by TS. Otherwise he should have been forced to tell the buyer of the sellers wish to sell after dividend payment.
Their seems to be no doubt, that something was done inapproriate to fair trade rules.
I as a reader of the statements of TS and the seller see no need to accept the way TS works his brokerage.
You are losing much trust with this thread, TS
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Donga
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:29:00 -
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Sorry couldnŠt edit my mistakes out. Forum says there is no thread with this ID.
Rugah
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:41:00 -
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With an obvoious conflict of interest like, you really can't be too surpised. The "I do things in this order, no matter what" line of reasoning is pretty far-fetched and either symptomatic of borderline OCD or an excuse that was made up on the spot.
But getting shares brokered by the person that's paying the dividends is asking for trouble. Since the EGSE's weighed in and said "version 2 will be better" it's pretty much out in the open that there are no rules (never were, but there was some hope).
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