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CCP Turtlepower
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.11 10:32:00 -
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Once again, thanks to all of you for the feedback.
Ranger 1 wrote:I think it might have been a bit more appealing if these settings were imported/exported one tab at a time... and only if you have a tab free. Otherwise you are given the proposed prompt to back up that tab in case you prefer your old settings (of course it would give you the option of which tab to overwrite if all of your tabs are full).
Importing an overview profile using this new method will not overwrite any previously saved tab presets (unless they have the same names - an issue we are currently looking into). This means that as long as you remember to save your presets before clicking on a shared overview profile link, you can simply load your saved presets back into any tab with just a few clicks afterwards, effectively mixing and matching two profiles.
Ranger 1 wrote:I've also toyed with the idea that perhaps it might be a good idea to have a popup whenever you are aggressed by someone or something not already on your overview.
That's a really great idea! We will definitely look into this soon :)
One more thing - we are looking into adding some kind of overview history feature, as that would address many concerns voiced in this thread. More details on this later. |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3641
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Posted - 2014.08.11 11:45:00 -
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While it's a far larger scope, long term it'd be good if the filtering logic for the overview could be changed.
So it's inclusive, rather than exclusive. Or even better, tripart logic, rather than two options.
I'd like to be able to have an overview which shows nothing but outlaws, and all outlaws. Right now, that's not possible. The moment I untick the 'no standing' box, anyone who I don't have a standing for, ceases to show up on the overview.
Ideally, something like: Show, not selected, never show
as the options.
So I could select Show for outlaws, and leave the rest unselected, and get all outlaws. But if I wanted to only show outlaws who I don't have a standing for, I could put in 'never show' options for the standing levels. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
396
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Posted - 2014.08.11 13:15:00 -
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CCP Turtlepower wrote:Once again, thanks to all of you for the feedback. Ranger 1 wrote:I think it might have been a bit more appealing if these settings were imported/exported one tab at a time... and only if you have a tab free. Otherwise you are given the proposed prompt to back up that tab in case you prefer your old settings (of course it would give you the option of which tab to overwrite if all of your tabs are full).
Importing an overview profile using this new method will not overwrite any previously saved tab presets (unless they have the same names - an issue we are currently looking into). This means that as long as you remember to save your presets before clicking on a shared overview profile link, you can simply load your saved presets back into any tab with just a few clicks afterwards, effectively mixing and matching two profiles. Ranger 1 wrote:I've also toyed with the idea that perhaps it might be a good idea to have a popup whenever you are aggressed by someone or something not already on your overview.
That's a really great idea! We will definitely look into this soon :) One more thing - we are looking into adding some kind of overview history feature, as that would address many concerns voiced in this thread. More details on this later.
We're importing the entire settings, tab names, appearances tab, columns etc. This is way beyond the tabs. Best thing you could do is give us the ability to save our entire overview. We import another, say this sucks, and revert to the old settings. |
Green Gambit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
61
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Posted - 2014.08.11 16:13:00 -
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CCP Turtlepower wrote: When clicking an overview link, an un-suppressible modal window pops up to let you know exactly what is going on, and the overview will not be imported unless you click 'Yes'.
Please NOT MODAL.
Yes it needs a confirmation, but you've been spending time over the last couple of years removing all the needlessly modal dialogs!
I'm sat on a gate, with not much going on. I'm reading mail and just as I'm clicking on a link, local goes up and I need to react - unfortunately I've got this stupid modal window to deal with.
Or assuming I'm only dealing with this whilst perfectly safe, I might click a link in a chat window - and have the confirmation window appear. However before I click yes, I might want to just ask the person in the chat window another question...
Another thought on this - I don't believe there's currently any method of configuring your overview whilst docked? What happens if I click a link in a chat or EveMail whilst docked?
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eniux
gaming is not a crime AddictClan
0
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:00:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:CCP Turtlepower wrote: When clicking an overview link, an un-suppressible modal window pops up to let you know exactly what is going on, and the overview will not be imported unless you click 'Yes'. Please NOT MODAL. Yes it needs a confirmation, but you've been spending time over the last couple of years removing all the needlessly modal dialogs! I'm sat on a gate, with not much going on. I'm reading mail and just as I'm clicking on a link, local goes up and I need to react - unfortunately I've got this stupid modal window to deal with. Or assuming I'm only dealing with this whilst perfectly safe, I might click a link in a chat window - and have the confirmation window appear. However before I click yes, I might want to just ask the person in the chat window another question... Another thought on this - I don't believe there's currently any method of configuring your overview whilst docked? What happens if I click a link in a chat or EveMail whilst docked?
Let me remind you of the fact that you wouldn't see anyone in your overview, seeing as you just clicked the overview which only has an asteroids tab spread by the enemy fleet.. The modal window just saved you |
Bessa Miros
20
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:21:00 -
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can the settings be per character instead of per account?
my pvper and miner want different tabs from one another.
and for the 10,000 prize; make settings per ship of character... then they'd be true role based settings = nirvana. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
465
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:10:00 -
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Does the new import/export saving also save the customisable corp/alliance tag input boxes? ie this section... http://i.imgur.com/s8SezYG.png |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
396
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:25:00 -
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I can't figure out how to load an existing preset.
It used to be that you right click on the settings icon in the overview settings window. If I have a bracket preset, how do I load it to modify it? |
J0n Br0wn
Vulcan College of Mining and Refining
11
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:40:00 -
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Perhaps this is the wrong time to ask, but can a better description of the item in the overview be setup? like a hover over or something. for example just what is a "flashpoint", is a "convoy" an NPC or Player ship?
I do know some of those answers but only after lots of searching the internet and forums. it would also help in setting up the overviews. J0n Br0wn |
Richard TheLordOfDance
Legendary Umbrellas Negative Waves
8
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:13:00 -
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Nice to see stuff happening to the overview. But there's a lot of stuff to change before it's unfucked. I'm still waiting for the day when I can see just the people in my fleet without showing everyone else as well. Until then I'll just keep banging my head into the wall until the setup is good enough ^^ |
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
465
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Posted - 2014.08.11 23:27:00 -
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i think in all honesty the overview is actually one of the oldest code pieces in eves spaghetti mass of code iirc. props to the Devs currently trying to unf**k some aspects of it, takes real guts to pull and tweak legacy code without any form of knowing what will impact something seemingly unrelated.
Turtlepower and Karkur, and the rest of you working in the background on this, you lot are my heros! Don't stop slaying the legacycode dragon! |
Enselon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:27:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Does this mean that overview states will finally be made useful?
Example: Show only war targets. The states are not changing (the presentation of them is, so it's more obvious that you are picking what to filter out). When starting this, I thought we had to completely change the states, so you would pick what you wanted in your overview (example: war targets) rather than what you didn't want. When looking better into it, we quickly ran into this case - I want -5 dudes in my overview so I check them -> my corp mates that are -5 now all show in the overview, not what I want So (at least for now) it's the same as before, sorry if that's not ideal for you
so.. i've run into this issue with the current setup too... howabout a 3 state system.... (this isn't the best example, but it shows my point)
status : -5 security status : war target status : in my fleet
each status can be 'include', 'do not include', and 'N/A' (N/A would be equivilant to not carring... or just having that state being the lowest possible priority)
thus, durring a roam, i want 'in my fleet' to never show.. so i say do not include on that. but i want war targets to show, even if they somehow end up in my fleet.
now, if I sort my list by priority, and have in my fleet a LOWER priority than war target, even if they're in my fleet, a war target will show.
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Kojiki
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Mordus Angels
1
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Posted - 2014.08.12 07:26:00 -
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As someone already proposed; pretty please make it on a tab basis. The basic idea of OV sharing is ok, but most people have specialised tabs and it is far more usefull to, for example in a fleet, share a specific tab setting, rather than messing with someones complete overview. I for one have specific settings for pvp but one and the same tab for travel. The travel tab is also the "get-the-f**k-out" tab in pvp, so I don't want my settings to be messed up by someones otherwise perfectly useful settings.
We also need to be able to somehow preview settings. How on earth will you otherwise know what you getting? It's like contracts without content. We have come long way in EVE to step away from arcane blind links, or?
And finally, please, give us more tabs. We are flying capitals in space, in the only un-instanced game in the world, having fantastic battles with thousands of people involved, but our spaceship can only have 5 tabs and not accessible in station? DUH? The Enterprise crew are rotating in their graves from laughter! |
Vrynia
Imhotep inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.12 08:37:00 -
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I understand adding new dialogs is a pain in the **** and make a feature a lot more complex but what about having an icon you drag to create a link which will includes all the overview settings (that's the one planned) but also add icons next to each tab profile in the ui and allow drag and dropping them too so they create a link that will add a tab profile to an existing overview configuration ?
This would not require any new ui and would allow both tab sharing and complete overview sharing. |
Althalus Stenory
Flying Blacksmiths
32
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Posted - 2014.08.12 14:20:00 -
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Finally \o/ |
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
38
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:05:00 -
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Just add a confirm box so people get a warning when they click the link.
Also add a go back to previous setup function so we can redo if we don't like the overview changes. (just like ctrl-z) |
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CCP Turtlepower
C C P C C P Alliance
50
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:51:00 -
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Bessa Miros wrote:can the settings be per character instead of per account?
No, unfortunately not. However, if you save an Overview Preset in a note or email, then you can easily switch between once you have logged in on different characters.
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Does the new import/export saving also save the customisable corp/alliance tag input boxes?
Yes!
Niko Lorenzio wrote:I can't figure out how to load an existing preset.
It used to be that you right click on the settings icon in the overview settings window. If I have a bracket preset, how do I load it to modify it?
Right click on a overview tab to load a preset into that tab. |
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
398
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:58:00 -
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CCP Turtlepower wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I can't figure out how to load an existing preset.
It used to be that you right click on the settings icon in the overview settings window. If I have a bracket preset, how do I load it to modify it? Right click on a overview tab to load a preset into that tab.
I thought of that but didn't think it would be the only way. Seems a bit convoluted but I guess it works. Thank you |
Apelacja
Fungi Company
80
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Posted - 2014.08.12 19:10:00 -
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great change +1. Only one question - why so late;)?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28741
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Posted - 2014.08.13 00:03:00 -
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I agree with others, there definitely needs to be a preview option first before having to accept or dismiss the Overview Links along with a 'Revert' option.
Having to post your existing Overview settings as links contained within an Eve Mail or Notepad and then having to search for those, click and accept them just to revert your Overview back to it's original state is counter-productive, slow and tedious.
Also like the idea of being able to link a single Overview Tab.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2766
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Posted - 2014.08.13 04:06:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I agree with others, there definitely needs to be a preview option first before having to accept or dismiss the Overview Links along with a 'Revert' option.
Having to post your existing Overview settings as links contained within an Eve Mail or Notepad and then having to search for those, click and accept them just to revert your Overview back to it's original state is counter-productive, slow and tedious.
Also like the idea of being able to link a single Overview Tab.
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Legedric Striker
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
34
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:42:00 -
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Thie question has been asked before but never got an answer as far as I can see:
Will we be able to add more than 5 tabs to our overview or will it still be limited to 5 tabs? Join R-v-B-- The MOST active PVP community in EVE!
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CCP Turtlepower
C C P C C P Alliance
61
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Posted - 2014.08.13 15:43:00 -
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Legedric Striker wrote:Thie question has been asked before but never got an answer as far as I can see:
Will we be able to add more than 5 tabs to our overview or will it still be limited to 5 tabs? We are not changing this part of the overview at this time, sorry. |
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Karash Amerius
Sutoka
196
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Posted - 2014.08.13 16:44:00 -
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Are we able to bracket moons in space again? Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2770
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Posted - 2014.08.13 17:39:00 -
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Karash Amerius wrote:Are we able to bracket moons in space again? i am pretty sure there is a shortcut for that? is it gone? eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Alundil
Isogen 5
641
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Posted - 2014.08.13 18:56:00 -
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CCP Turtlepower wrote:Legedric Striker wrote:Thie question has been asked before but never got an answer as far as I can see:
Will we be able to add more than 5 tabs to our overview or will it still be limited to 5 tabs? We are not changing this part of the overview at this time, sorry. Much sadness
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Karash Amerius
Sutoka
196
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Posted - 2014.08.13 20:41:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:Are we able to bracket moons in space again? i am pretty sure there is a shortcut for that? is it gone?
Alt-Shift-X is the shortcut. My question isn't about that, but rather adding the functionality back into the presets, which you cannot anymore. For example, if I am scanning moons there is an additional step of the shortcut after I load my appropriate preset. Just stupid. Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
400
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:57:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:Are we able to bracket moons in space again? i am pretty sure there is a shortcut for that? is it gone?
It's ALT+SHIFT+X |
Dersen Lowery
The Scope Gallente Federation
1193
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:15:00 -
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Ugh, modal dialogs. Even when they're necessary, they're awful.
A couple of suggestions:
1) What if we could save sets of overview tabs and browse through the sets, and clicking a link added a set? Give them names, and then they would simply appear in the background, with some non-modal notification that "overview set 'LOL n00b" has just been added." Even if the modal dialog stays, I would love to be able to load my overview in sets of tabs.
2) I like the idea that some sort of notification would appear that you were being attacked. I initially thought, "just put them on the current overview tab, flashing red!" but there are some weird edge cases there (person gets attacked at the same time that he switches tabs?) so maybe that one is best served by some modal/centered-on-screen/otherwise hard-to-ignore notification. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
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CCP Turtlepower
C C P C C P Alliance
67
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:29:00 -
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We have now added a new tab to the overview settings - History. Here you can see your last 15 loaded overview profiles, and revert back to them easily. We also added a 'Restore' button to the bottom of this window, clicking it will simply undo the last overview profile import. Please update your Singularity client and try it out!
Karash Amerius wrote:Are we able to bracket moons in space again? I will see to it that this is looked into.
Dersen Lowery wrote: 1) What if we could save sets of overview tabs and browse through the sets, and clicking a link added a set? Give them names, and then they would simply appear in the background, with some non-modal notification that "overview set 'LOL n00b" has just been added." Even if the modal dialog stays, I would love to be able to load my overview in sets of tabs.
2) I like the idea that some sort of notification would appear that you were being attacked. I initially thought, "just put them on the current overview tab, flashing red!" but there are some weird edge cases there (person gets attacked at the same time that he switches tabs?) so maybe that one is best served by some modal/centered-on-screen/otherwise hard-to-ignore notification.
1. This is a good idea, but will not be part of this iteration. 2. This is out of scope for this project at the moment, but it is something we are interested in looking deeper into in the coming months. |
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