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NIFTYGetAtMe State Protectorate Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.08.01 19:56:00 - [31] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game. No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed. That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would. No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE. Yeah yeah, OP no patience blah blah blah, sorry I have to jump in at this. If there is a phrase you should never EVER structure at any point in your entire life, it is "And it is in real life as it is in (videogame)" No matter how you much you want it to be true, how much you justify it or how hard you defend it, it is literally NEVER true. Real life and videogames are 100% separated and comparing IRL trends/events to simulated trends/events is a grievous offense to humanity. Please separate videogames from life and see them only for what they are: entertainment. rant over.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 783	Posted - 2014.08.01 19:58:00 - [32] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Some might say you don't get EVE...what is there to get O.O? I grew bored of it all. I perhaps also have no desire to play alliance/corp simulator and project power in a sandbox universe that has already been colonized and mastered by players. I am essentially too late to the game. Nothing to do with EVE. You don't get mmos. That is your problem. MMOs are about playing together with other pople. Doesn't have to be the big anonymous mass though. You can do it just as well or even much better in a small or mediium sized group. Getting a situation under control against all odds is when you'll have the most fun in the game. Won't happen too often. But you'll live for those moments and you remember them. Being part of a decent group in a mmo means a lot more than a few sp. Remove insurance.
Deuce McGuilicuddy Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:01:00 - [33] - Quote Your attitude is what's holding you back, not your skill points. Nobody is going to hand you a good time on a silver platter, this is a sandbox not a brothel. With a little ingenuity and a pair of nuts (figuratively speaking), a day old player can have a blast in frigate pvp. I know. I've done it. Yes you will lose ships. No, you will not be pro. But fun is had regardless. You are whining on the forums about lack of fun content while there are 30,000 other pilots, many of them as new as or newer than you are, flying and having fun as we speak. If you aren't willing to invest :effort: into the game, then you deserve a negative return on investment from the game. There is a button on the character select screen. It says biomass. Use it. Also, no, I don't want your stuffZ. I'll never be able to get the smell of WoW reject out of cockpit.
Venjenz Sake School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 21	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:02:00 - [34] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: But what is it all for? Entertaining wasting of time, same as any other video game ever? When were video games supposed to give our lives meaning? I must have missed that memo, since I play them to waste time enjoyably.
Paranoid Loyd 1088	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:03:00 - [35] - Quote NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game. No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed. That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would. No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE. Yeah yeah, OP no patience blah blah blah, sorry I have to jump in at this. If there is a phrase you should never EVER structure at any point in your entire life, it is "And it is in real life as it is in (videogame)" No matter how you much you want it to be true, how much you justify it or how hard you defend it, it is literally NEVER true. Real life and videogames are 100% separated and comparing IRL trends/events to simulated trends/events is a grievous offense to humanity. Please separate videogames from life and see them only for what they are: entertainment. rant over. Reading comprehension is hard "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
NIFTYGetAtMe State Protectorate Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:04:00 - [36] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game. No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed. That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would. No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE. Yeah yeah, OP no patience blah blah blah, sorry I have to jump in at this. If there is a phrase you should never EVER structure at any point in your entire life, it is "And it is in real life as it is in (videogame)" No matter how you much you want it to be true, how much you justify it or how hard you defend it, it is literally NEVER true. Real life and videogames are 100% separated and comparing IRL trends/events to simulated trends/events is a grievous offense to humanity. Please separate videogames from life and see them only for what they are: entertainment. rant over. Reading comprehension is hard No, it's not. He drew a correlation between real life and a videgame. That's a no-no.
Hicksimus Hyperion Corporation 245	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:05:00 - [37] - Quote If you want to affect the really big picture.....yeah you've missed the boat.....maybe if you take 5 years, meet the right people, etc. you can command something and affect the big picture. Financially, nope it'd take incredible luck at this point. Personally I'm alright with that. I corp hop to change the scenery, I make my own content, sometimes other people make my content and for a lot of people that's all they need. If that doesn't work for you then hand over your stuff and **** off to WoW. Do you have it?
Paranoid Loyd 1089	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:06:00 - [38] - Quote NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: No, it's not. He drew a correlation between real life and a videgame. That's a no-no. Not the kind you are ranting about. A subtle difference but it is different. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3436	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:08:00 - [39] - Quote NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Reading comprehension is hard No, it's not. He drew a correlation between real life and a videgame. That's a no-no. no it isnt, attributing real values unto digital acts within a video game is a nono, not pointing out apt similarities between the two. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
TheMercenaryKing StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing 253	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:12:00 - [40] - Quote Willy Wanka said it best
Aerakis Koskanaiken Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:16:00 - [41] - Quote I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on a lot of what you said OP. It is true, those of us who started later will never catch up with the guys who have been playing since the early days, however that doesn't really matter. You don't have to have a bazillion skill points in this game to matter. I started off with this character in high sec like everyone else. I wanted to try exploration instead of grinding the same level IV missions in a battleship. The ISK was rubbish, found it boring and thought about giving up again. Then I moved to null sec, joined Brave Newbies and can't imagine doing anything else. I've never had so much fun in EVE before. Even though I couldn't fly anything more than a tech one frigate I was flying with a fleet supporting capital ships bashing POS's and I-Hubs scouting ahead and pointing targets so they couldn't get away. Best of all, I didn't even need to bring my own ship. Brave gave me a stack of Atrons to blow up and even better HAVING FUN while doing it. Now I'm flying an Astero scanning down sites and earning a small fortune doing it. 25million ISK per can? Sometimes 200mil a site? If you're finding that you don't like empire space, move into low or null. Or, if you really want to make you're own space away from the big alliances why don't you make a living in wormholes? They can be quite lucrative and offer a challenge you can't find anywhere else.
Mahadiva School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:20:00 - [42] - Quote Well, it's true that this ain't like the WoW-type MMOs where you get to max lvl in a few weeks, then start raiding and catch up with everyone else who's been playing for a decade in terms of character power. The character building is a much slower process, with a lot more options too, and there's a big focus on the metagame which is completely independent of your character's skills (aka guild politics and drama in other games) Which is not to say that you can't focus on something that's relatively fast to learn, like frigates and max out the relevant skills which should put you on equal terms with the best frig pilots out there in the scope of a couple months.
Riyria Twinpeaks Reasonable People Of Sound Mind 2098	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:27:00 - [43] - Quote If you want power, you don't necessarily have to look at controlling nullsec. Your goal could be to terrorize a lowsec area of your choosing, for example. Won't be easy/possible by your own either, I suppose, but it'd be a longterm goal. Get comrades, join a pirate corp or something, gain experience, learn the ropes, take initiative and practise to lead fleets, you can make a name for yourself and that's power already. With your friends and comrades you can start to "your" home system, you can defend "your turf" when others dare to do stuff there. Maybe the corp you joined before already did that anyway and you "just" have to rise in the ranks and distinguish yourself as someone to get things done. That'd be effort, of course. But gaining power always is. Or look at how CODE came to be (as far as I know, just telling what I gathered from some forums posts, so I may be wrong). They weren't -that- early in the game either. Some guy had the silly idea of claiming to own highsec systems, of miners having to do his bidding. He harassed them if they didn't, he gathered people who followed him. Now people talk about them, they're big at least when it comes to publicity, even if they are controversial. Also a sort of power. All it took was an idea and the will and persistence and ability to take it further. Power doesn't need to mean you control everything. That's more or less impossible in this game. But you can find a niche you can matter in. But to get power, you need to take it yourself. Find your way.
Big Lynx Destructive Mechanics Quam'Nocent 563	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:39:00 - [44] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: My eyes.. Your stuff... Spit out my precious wine..
Tweek Etimua The Paragons 52	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:45:00 - [45] - Quote What your saying is exactly where I am 2years into eve. Most people will say "start a corp and play eve the way you want". The reality of eve is that such a small precentile of players are willing to play eve in a truly unique and inovative way that some one like my self is mocked for taking a diffrent aproach to eve. On top of that gathering people to log in and put in some work is near impossible.
Cannibal Kane Cannibal Empire 4218	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:47:00 - [46] - Quote And with that attitude OP you just showed why you will never matter no matter how hard you tried. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
NIFTYGetAtMe State Protectorate Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:49:00 - [47] - Quote Tweek Etimua wrote: What your saying is exactly where I am 2years into eve. Most people will say "start a corp and play eve the way you want". The reality of eve is that such a small precentile of players are willing to play eve in a truly unique and inovative way that some one like my self is mocked for taking a diffrent aproach to eve. On top of that gathering people to log in and put in some work is near impossible. This is so true. "If you're way of playing is different from the mostly unfounded word-of-mouth meta or different from some 10 year veteran's way of playing, then you're a ****** and should uninstall". It's that kind of attitude that makes me wonder how many EVE players even have the mental capacitor (Slit my Wrists!XD) to think they are so high and mighty.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7436	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:50:00 - [48] - Quote NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game. No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed. That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would. No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE. Yeah yeah, OP no patience blah blah blah, sorry I have to jump in at this. If there is a phrase you should never EVER structure at any point in your entire life, it is "And it is in real life as it is in (videogame)" No matter how you much you want it to be true, how much you justify it or how hard you defend it, it is literally NEVER true. Real life and videogames are 100% separated and comparing IRL trends/events to simulated trends/events is a grievous offense to humanity. Please separate videogames from life and see them only for what they are: entertainment. rant over. Nonsense. I'm talking about the 'loser attitude'. It has the same consequneces in a sandbox game as it does in real life. You lose.
Prince Kobol 1972	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:22:00 - [49] - Quote Lugia3 wrote: Go read the history of Brave Newbies. Very True, can you name another alliance that has emerged over the last few years that has an influence in null sec but is mee and not made up of old alliances?
RoAnnon Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 402	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:24:00 - [50] - Quote OP's not leaving. It's been my experience that anyone bored and/or tired of playing a game to the point of leaving just leave and go play something else. If someone's investing time in posting wordy manifestos about why they're leaving, they're usually still invested in the game enough that they aren't actually leaving. So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
Paranoid Loyd 1094	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:27:00 - [51] - Quote NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: Tweek Etimua wrote: What your saying is exactly where I am 2years into eve. Most people will say "start a corp and play eve the way you want". The reality of eve is that such a small precentile of players are willing to play eve in a truly unique and inovative way that some one like my self is mocked for taking a diffrent aproach to eve. On top of that gathering people to log in and put in some work is near impossible. This is so true. "If you're way of playing is different from the mostly unfounded word-of-mouth meta or different from some 10 year veteran's way of playing, then you're a ****** and should uninstall". It's that kind of attitude that makes me wonder how many EVE players even have the mental capacitor (Slit my Wrists!XD) to think they are so high and mighty. Words of the weak minded who will never be anything but cogs in the machine and/or whiners. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
Mikee Askiras State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:30:00 - [52] - Quote As someone who recently sold two 100mil+ sp chars and closed as many accounts to join BNI with two fresh characters, I couldn't disagree more. My 3mil sp industry alt in Catch makes more isk than my old mission running main did with half the effort. My 4.5mil sp pvp char has more kills than my 120mil sp did in the last two years. This game is like any other, and not like any other at the same time. Is it useful to have a pocket dreadnaught, a suitcase carrier, a jump freighter, a link alt, and a million other things? Yes, of course. Is it mandatory to do fun stuff? God no. Are there two tiers of player in this game? Yes. But, you don't even want to be in the high tier. They're the aliance leaders and logistics kingpins who are responding to pings at all hours of the day and night, herding cats, and taking the blame when things to pear-shaped. TBQH it's hardly ever been this good to be a newbie in EVE. BNI, FW, RvB, NPSI fleets, etc. are all sweet timesfor cheap pvp. Lowsec and nullsec are now both flush with pve content to keep a light newbie wallet happy in the form of exploration sites, new tag rats, fw plexing, and post-crius industry. If you have isk or cash to burn, I'd say the only thing a newbie really wants for is a cap alt, and that's if and only if you want to partake in capital ops which are usually boring as hell anyway.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3442	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:30:00 - [53] - Quote RoAnnon wrote: OP's not leaving. It's been my experience that anyone bored and/or tired of playing a game to the point of leaving just leave and go play something else. If someone's investing time in posting wordy manifestos about why they're leaving, they're usually still invested in the game enough that they aren't actually leaving. good point, op needs to make some friends (don't take that the wrong way, the community is what eve "is" come join us) "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Whipple Shai Novaku Inc Novaku Alliance 3	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:50:00 - [54] - Quote Your issue is you think you have to do all the things you mentioned to have fun in the game and I submit you are wrong. I started playing MMO's with UO 18 years ago and in each of them I thought I had to accomplish some task or I wasn't enjoying the game. Fortunately about 1.75 yrs ago I "graduated" to Eve and finally realized something. The things you mention aren't the goal of playing a game. Fun is the goal. If you concentrate on the fun; the things you mention suddenly become less of a distraction. They become part of the game rather THAN the game. Best thing you can do is find a new player friendly, null based Corp. Get the hell out of empire because it really is safer in a sov holding corp/alliance. Ask nicely for them to show you the ropes, stop whining, never whine again and forget you ever made this post. Whip
Lister Dax McKnobbo Universal Traders 8	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:54:00 - [55] - Quote (I don't think he's coming back guys)
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 270	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:00:00 - [56] - Quote 10/10.......... Real tear jerker, would read again. OBTW your stuff, give it to me. ......................................................
Jimmy O'Shanty The Westies 22	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:03:00 - [57] - Quote Lister Dax wrote: (I don't think he's coming back guys) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lAY-rRRa4o
Tweek Etimua The Paragons 52	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:09:00 - [58] - Quote Whipple Shai wrote: Your issue is you think you have to do all the things you mentioned to have fun in the game and I submit you are wrong. I started playing MMO's with UO 18 years ago and in each of them I thought I had to accomplish some task or I wasn't enjoying the game. Fortunately about 1.75 yrs ago I "graduated" to Eve and finally realized something. The things you mention aren't the goal of playing a game. Fun is the goal. If you concentrate on the fun; the things you mention suddenly become less of a distraction. They become part of the game rather THAN the game. Best thing you can do is find a new player friendly, null based Corp. Get the hell out of empire because it really is safer in a sov holding corp/alliance. Ask nicely for them to show you the ropes, stop whining, never whine again and forget you ever made this post. Whip Fun is relative.
Chewytowel Haklar Sextans Tech Brothers of Tangra 66	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:40:00 - [59] - Quote I'm really not feeling the love. :( Nobody loves me, I have no friends, and I live in a van down by the river. When I do approach the game from a fun first perspective I usually just fit some ships, rush into faction warfare sites or some other places and look for things to shoot without any real other goal. Though again, that death mechanic is a tad frustrating to deal with, but anyway a part of the game. I play games as an escape, not as a way to really compete or show off achievements. Everyone has their own motivations of course when playing EVE or any other game, and people come and go as well. I just don't see the point to continue playing at this time, or rather paying to play. Glad you all love the game and have found something(s) about it you truly enjoy.
Deuce McGuilicuddy Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 1	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:48:00 - [60] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I'm really not feeling the love. :( That's because nobody likes to listen to you whine Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Nobody loves me, I have no friends, and I live in a van down by the river. That's because you're handing out the wrong kind of candy

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