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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
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Posted - 2014.08.03 13:15:00 -
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so, i just got around to watching "the matrix", and came away thinking that it was an okay film but not understanding why so many people are so into it.
like a lot of science fiction, it starts off with a premise which doesn't act as a platform to facilitate character interaction or examine aspects of humanity but rather just kind of exists. "everything you believe is actually fake" is a fine premise, it worked for "inception", but whereas "inception" faded out of relevance about a year after it was released, the matrix has somehow remained a big cultural influence while being a sequence of slow-motion kung fu action clips interspersed with scenes of character interaction completely lacking in personality and some really mystifying wardrobe design choices.
even lighthearted modern science fiction films like "snow piercer" come out ahead compared to "the matrix". the former concerns itself entirely with human interaction instead of its science fiction premise, and the result is a really fun and watchable film with an interesting cast and good looking guys doing violent things (you should watch it, btw). meanwhile, "the matrix" fails to develop most of its characters beyond basic archetypes and all the action scenes kind of blend together after a while.
anyway, why do people like it so much |

Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2014.08.03 13:22:00 -
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The thing with Matrix (at least the first movie) is that many of the visual effects were completely new and never seen before when it was released (1999 IIRC). The influence on other films was huge, and that visual style got copied ad nauseam in countless other movies afterwards. So, from today's point of view, I guess you are right: the F/X are standard by now and the plot isn't nearly as deep and philosophical as the producers and fanboys would like us to believe. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.03 13:37:00 -
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The Matrix may seem to be old hat now, but when it was released it was cutting edge cinematography with a decent script.
It completely changed the way films were made and was the first to introduce some of the staples of modern film making. Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
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Posted - 2014.08.03 15:41:00 -
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the aesthetic of the matrix was probably the most memorable part, but i'm pretty sure that the cyberpunk genre had already established most of its elements years before it was released. there must've already been some sort of cultural context for "guy wearing an all black trench coat/boots/sunglasses getup doing cartwheeling away from bullets" to read as cool instead of absurdly dorky.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:a decent script. the late 1980's-early 2000's must've been a dark time for scriptwriting, considering that a bunch of the stuff hailed as great (see; twin peaks) had w/e writing at best |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.03 16:20:00 -
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Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:the aesthetic of the matrix was probably the most memorable part, but i'm pretty sure that the cyberpunk genre had already established most of its elements years before it was released. there must've already been some sort of cultural context for "guy wearing an all black trench coat/boots/sunglasses getup doing cartwheeling away from bullets" to read as cool instead of absurdly dorky.
no it wasent, that was "the crow" and he was a man about it and face tanked those gunshots
Quote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:a decent script. the late 1980's-early 2000's must've been a dark time for scriptwriting, considering that a bunch of the stuff hailed as great (see; twin peaks) had w/e writing at best HEATHEN! i may have to pod someone for that. =][= |

Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2014.08.03 16:45:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: no it wasent, that was "the crow" and he was a man about it and face tanked those gunshots
Yeah..Brandon Lee did this and stayed course until the bitter end... I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.03 16:55:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no it wasent, that was "the crow" and he was a man about it and face tanked those gunshots One of my favorite movies to watch over, I don't know why..
Mr. Raynaud, for me The Matrix is special because it explains the concept of solipsism better than any film before or after it. And films after it (like Inception) borrow heavily from the concept of layered reality that The Matrix explained so well within its paradigm.
Also, the film gets us the most amazing upvote gif in existence, so there's that..
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:12:00 -
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The Puns! gif is even more essential in my opinion. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:27:00 -
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Matrix was also the film that sort of sold us the trench coat katana -look of the 90's along with the blade -trilogy.
Also matrix had cyberspace and implants as depicted in cyberpunk in the 80's, so there's that.
Also after the total fallout of star wars episode I the people flocked to see the Matrix that was starred by Keanu 'speed' Reeves with a hot chick instead of some never heard drama actors and whiny kid companied by a rubbery "space black person" (original review used the N-word but filters). |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.08.03 18:20:00 -
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It takes action after the singularity and explores human place in the world after that. Maybe that is nothing new, as humans time on earth have to cease someday, and machines will take over the world, but it was surprising to some people, made a mark on human history and thinking, and now probably we will more peacefully accept our machine overlords in the hope that they will not obliterate us completely. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |

Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.03 19:14:00 -
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Again. 15 years old. You might as well bring up Ray Harryhausen and ask why he's to lauded when most Michael Bay movies have "better" special effects. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |

Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
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Posted - 2014.08.03 19:38:00 -
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Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:the aesthetic of the matrix was probably the most memorable part, but i'm pretty sure that the cyberpunk genre had already established most of its elements years before it was released.
Blade Runner brought Cyberpunk to the screen, but only The Matrix made it popular.
Before The Matrix, while there are quite some good Cyberpunk features out there, none was able to penetrate the masses like The Matrix.
That's why, besides the, amazing for the time, F/X it's considered a hallmark in movie making. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.03 19:58:00 -
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It olso sublty planted the notion into people that keano Reeves might in fact be immortal. =][= |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
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Posted - 2014.08.03 20:23:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: the late 1980's-early 2000's must've been a dark time for scriptwriting, considering that a bunch of the stuff hailed as great (see; twin peaks) had w/e writing at best
HEATHEN! i may have to pod someone for that.[/quote] twin peaks was objectively awful and over-directed. maybe if the directer hadn't been so neurotic about making every detail fit with his pre-established idea of what the scene should look like we wouldn't have ended up with a show where it was impossible to keep track of what was actually supposed to come off as surreal and what was just from the actors failing to convey actual human behavior.
Sibyyl wrote:Mr. Raynaud, for me The Matrix is special because it explains the concept of solipsism better than any film before or after it. And films after it (like Inception) borrow heavily from the concept of layered reality that The Matrix explained so well within its paradigm. Also, the film gets us the most amazing upvote gif in existence, so there's that.. eh, solipism is like philosophy 101, but reddit people have weird taste anyway i guess
on a related note; i read neil gaiman's take on the matrix before i watched the matrix itself, and it still holds up as an independent work: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/cyberpunk/goliath.shtml |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2014.08.03 21:11:00 -
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What I found interesting about the movie when I first saw it was, besides the "OHHH" "AHHHH" factor was the subtle implications in several strange "out of place" parts of the movie.
I always enjoy watching the background over the main focus of most situations, personal quirk, and what grabbed me from the movie after the FX is what grabs me from movies like "Forbidden Planet" for example... The attention to details: you remember in "Forbidden Planet" the part where they finally land on the planet and they discover its a huge battery of sorts and there-¦s a nice handpainted still of a sci-fi futuristic building? That scene is burned in my head. i highly enjoy old Sci-fi movies when they actually cared to add these touches of "Art".
Well, for me that-¦s what grabbed me from the Matrix.
I get totally frustrated when I see books being read/used in movies, I know they are there for a reason and try hard to read the title.
Well, Neo in the first Matrix has his stuff in a hollowed out book, guess what book was that one? ...
Also I totally enjoyed the "Follow the Rabbit" concept.
I was slowly understanding, besides the obvious awesome kick from Trinity, I was going in for a ride of the mind.
Lots of people have discussed AD NAUSEAM the subtly or not so subtly philosophical overtones of the movie, but for me, what did it was the "occult" imagery of well established Journeys.
Red and Blue, Oracles, Architects, Doors, Automatons, Twins, Humanity extinguished, reborn and rebuilt, Cycles, etc, etc, etc.
They single handedly managed to pour well developed concepts to tell a story pushing the envelope of the time. It-¦s a "classic" now because of that.
What completely ruins it up though (and this is my personal opinion alone), is how they DIVERGED from a specific point they started in Movie one and diluted for WHATEVER reasons in Movie 3.
Also Twin Peaks is visually astounding, and sometimes, script is secondary and even detrimental to the visual story being represented, then again, a matter of taste, 
Cheers!
o/ Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
111998
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Posted - 2014.08.03 21:30:00 -
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I'm still waiting on Morpheus contacting me. xD
Also there is only one movie... THERE WERE NO SEQUELS. 
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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
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Posted - 2014.08.03 23:40:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Lots of people have discussed AD NAUSEAM the subtly or not so subtly philosophical overtones of the movie, but for me, what did it was the "occult" imagery of well established Journeys.
Red and Blue, Oracles, Architects, Doors, Automatons, Twins, Humanity extinguished, reborn and rebuilt, Cycles, etc, etc, etc. "the matrix" isn't devoid of material worth analyzing, but most of it is only lightly touched upon due to the sheer amount of information that was crammed into the movie. for example; the incongruity between self-perception and exterior perception was going to be explored more originally, when one of the characters was initially drafted as someone who had a masculine appearance in the "true reality" and a feminine one in simulated reality. but then this idea was dropped in order not to overload a film already full of reality-warping antics and completely inexplicable romantic arcs
Brujo Loco wrote:Also Twin Peaks is visually astounding, and sometimes, script is secondary and even detrimental to the visual story being represented, then again, a matter of taste,  the visuals in twin peaks were undeniably gorgeous, and it's unfortunate that the whole series wasn't just the fbi guy mutely stumbling around a surreally beautiful little town |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.04 00:49:00 -
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Do yourself a favor and don't watch the other two. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.04 01:13:00 -
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I liked the second one a little bit. Is that bad? The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.04 01:21:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Also there is only one movie... THERE WERE NO SEQUELS.   QFT
The same goes for Star Wars, anything after Return of the Jedi is heresy.
Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |

Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:03:00 -
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It is a movie about the subjectivity of reality, the cruel, unfeeling nature of our existence, and the human drive to overcome these obstacles and limitations and succeed and progress in ways we cannot imagine. It questions the nature of humanity and it's definition, the importance of a will to thrive and succeed or to merely survive, and whether our creations are what actually define our own abilities.
Translation: It has cool fight scenes. |

Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.08.04 05:03:00 -
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Philosophically the Matrix fills the need for explanation; for that feeling that something is very wrong with the world. Its shallow characters and simple plot line make it accessible to a large number of people - a triumph of vulgarity, with a contemporary wrapper.
Forces larger than you control the world, but if one has the ability to see beyond those forces, then self actualization is within reach.
This theme is common and can be found in literature from ancient Hindu texts, through the old and new testaments, up through current political conspiracy thrillers. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.04 07:46:00 -
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This is like asking why Jurassic Park was such a massive thing (again, there was only one movie those others dont count) Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2014.08.04 08:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:This is like asking why Jurassic Park was such a massive thing (again, there was only one movie those others dont count)
I really wish you could have said that 2 months earlier. When I realized that I had never seen part 2 and 3, I decided to buy the ultimate Jurassic Park Collectors edition with all three parts. I am still perplexed and trying to wrap my head around what the hell I was watching. I mean, even if every dinosaur was digitally replaced by Jar Jar Binks, those movies would actually still have been better than that turbo-crap.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.08.04 09:04:00 -
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Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:so, i just got around to watching "the matrix", and came away thinking that it was an okay film but not understanding why so many people are so into it.
like a lot of science fiction, it starts off with a premise which doesn't act as a platform to facilitate character interaction or examine aspects of humanity but rather just kind of exists. "everything you believe is actually fake" is a fine premise, it worked for "inception", but whereas "inception" faded out of relevance about a year after it was released, the matrix has somehow remained a big cultural influence while being a sequence of slow-motion kung fu action clips interspersed with scenes of character interaction completely lacking in personality and some really mystifying wardrobe design choices.
even lighthearted modern science fiction films like "snow piercer" come out ahead compared to "the matrix". the former concerns itself entirely with human interaction instead of its science fiction premise, and the result is a really fun and watchable film with an interesting cast and good looking guys doing violent things (you should watch it, btw). meanwhile, "the matrix" fails to develop most of its characters beyond basic archetypes and all the action scenes kind of blend together after a while.
anyway, why do people like it so much Do not try to understand why "the matrix" was hailed by people as the messiah of the cyberpunk movie genre because that is impossible. Instead realize the truth, there are no people! Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.08.04 09:42:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:baltec1 wrote:This is like asking why Jurassic Park was such a massive thing (again, there was only one movie those others dont count) I really wish you could have said that 2 months earlier. When I realized that I had never seen part 2 and 3, I decided to buy the ultimate Jurassic Park Collectors edition with all three parts. I am still perplexed and trying to wrap my head around what the hell I was watching. I mean, even if every dinosaur was digitally replaced by Jar Jar Binks, those movies would actually still have been better than that turbo-crap. Well, tbh, i like teh T-Rex in new York part, other than that I can't remember what happened in the 2nd and 3rd movie... It's weird, i know I saw those movies but it's almost like some weird dream about dinosaurs that faded away and there's only a few pictures in my head, not even sound or movement...  Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.08.04 10:07:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I liked the second one a little bit. Is that bad? Well, I'll admit to liking all three, so liking the second a little bit is probably good by comparison.
I've never been a huge movie fan, so I can probably list quite easily the movies I'd watch over and over:
The Crow Highlander (only the first. Dated now) Bourne series Matrix series Original Star Wars trilogy Mad Max (original only) Romper Stomper Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon A Good Year (I can't explain this one. Totally not like the rest)
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.08.04 11:24:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:baltec1 wrote:This is like asking why Jurassic Park was such a massive thing (again, there was only one movie those others dont count) I really wish you could have said that 2 months earlier. When I realized that I had never seen part 2 and 3, I decided to buy the ultimate Jurassic Park Collectors edition with all three parts. I am still perplexed and trying to wrap my head around what the hell I was watching. I mean, even if every dinosaur was digitally replaced by Jar Jar Binks, those movies would actually still have been better than that turbo-crap. Ouch on the collector's edition. But I think Jar Jar Binks was worse than part 2 and 3 combined. |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
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Posted - 2014.08.04 13:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Also there is only one movie... THERE WERE NO SEQUELS.   QFT The same goes for Star Wars, anything after Return of the Jedi is heresy. when i was a lil kid, my dad let me watch the original trilogy and then strictly forbade me from seeing the prequels. i assumed that they were full of violence and gore and all that good stuff and was viciously envious when my friends got to go see episode 3 when it was released. then i watched them when i was around 11 and realized that he was trying to protect me
Adunh Slavy wrote:Philosophically the Matrix fills the need for explanation; for that feeling that something is very wrong with the world. Its shallow characters and simple plot line make it accessible to a large number of people - a triumph of vulgarity, with a contemporary wrapper.
Forces larger than you control the world, but if one has the ability to see beyond those forces, then self actualization is within reach.
This theme is common and can be found in literature from ancient Hindu texts, through the old and new testaments, up through current political conspiracy thrillers. i guess i can see the matrix having a quasi-religious appeal; maybe the gun-fu and easy-to-follow plot are the equivalent of distilling buddhism down into the four noble truths in terms of accessibility? it evidently had religious appeal to some people (although it seems to be more about nerds trying to find excuses to drop acid) |

Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.04 15:11:00 -
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Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:so, i just got around to watching "the matrix", and came away thinking that it was an okay film but not understanding why so many people are so into it.
like a lot of science fiction, it starts off with a premise which doesn't act as a platform to facilitate character interaction or examine aspects of humanity but rather just kind of exists. "everything you believe is actually fake" is a fine premise, it worked for "inception", but whereas "inception" faded out of relevance about a year after it was released, the matrix has somehow remained a big cultural influence while being a sequence of slow-motion kung fu action clips interspersed with scenes of character interaction completely lacking in personality and some really mystifying wardrobe design choices.
even lighthearted modern science fiction films like "snow piercer" come out ahead compared to "the matrix". the former concerns itself entirely with human interaction instead of its science fiction premise, and the result is a really fun and watchable film with an interesting cast and good looking guys doing violent things (you should watch it, btw). meanwhile, "the matrix" fails to develop most of its characters beyond basic archetypes and all the action scenes kind of blend together after a while.
anyway, why do people like it so much
Believe you're trolling. The movie is 15 years old. Still must respond.
It very much ties into aspects of humanity, solipsism for one (as explained by someone else). Additionally the technological age we have created impacting on every aspect of our lives. It also ties in to wondrous conspiracy theory feelings everyone had at the end of the 20th century. Y2K, blablabla. You know what else came out that year? Jar Jar Binks. The Matrix captured a subculture zeitgeist very effectively. Popularising cyberpunk, as someone else stated.
The movie was also highly effectively marketed. I can recall not wanting to see any spoilers about it, the whole What Is The Matrix campaign. Being totally blown away when I first saw it.
It delves into what constitues a consciousness, what is love, etc. There are many tie ins to religious doctrine, etc. etc. It's almost a modern allegory to all monotheistic religions (i.e. most of the world).
Also, and please forgive me the ad hominem here, but even your avatar looks like a snooty hipster goatee sporting film critic (the lock of hair is a dead giveaway). Hence trolling.
Finally, I'd state that defining quality in terms of human interaction only is a way to limit your appreciation of film. There are many works of film that stand on their own purely as technological works in addition to their story/script/writing. Even Avatar was a marvel of tech when it was released. To date, the only film I've ever seen where 3D actually added anything to the experience. Never mind the cookie cutter writing. There are movies that define a subculture, or a certain time in our history very eloquently. None of these have anything to do specificaly with human interaction.
Do yourself a favour and also go watch the Second Renaissance part 1 and 2. They are 'Cartoons' by the way. Shocking, I know. |
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