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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.10 19:55:00 -
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Korrey, I really doubt you have the SP to make a machariel even worth considering. My alt is almost 3weeks older than you, and has 6million SP. He has 1.8mil in learning, rest is all full combat spec. He has had (and pirated with) a full set of +3s since the day he was born. He is flying a rupture, and isn't really ready for a tempest yet.
You have been around a shorter time, may have very similar or less effective SP, and you are suggesting PvPing in a faction BS. My advice is... don't. 
You will just lose it to a player in a player with more skillpoints in an inferior ship. That would be embarrasing
If you must fly a BS, get in a nice tempest, and stay there 
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The Angle
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Posted - 2006.07.10 19:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Skva
If your going to go all out with faction gear, may as well get a Dread Guristas Multispec instead of that crappy hypnos 
wtf they actually drop!?!?
Hells yeah they drop....there's like 6 for sale in Jita...I put one on the market a couple days ago.
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The Angle
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Posted - 2006.07.10 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Korrey, I really doubt you have the SP to make a machariel even worth considering. My alt is almost 3weeks older than you, and has 6million SP. He has 1.8mil in learning, rest is all full combat spec. He has had (and pirated with) a full set of +3s since the day he was born. He is flying a rupture, and isn't really ready for a tempest yet.
You have been around a shorter time, may have very similar or less effective SP, and you are suggesting PvPing in a faction BS. My advice is... don't.
You will just lose it to a player in a player with more skillpoints in an inferior ship. That would be embarrasing
If you must fly a BS, get in a nice tempest, and stay there
Agreed...would be a terrible loss of ship and mods.
Keep it in empire for a while and just hold it to show your friends...but don't fly it in low sec as everyone will start hunting for a Mach Kill.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2006.08.31 03:33:00 -
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Currently using:
6x dual 650mm scot, 2x heavy dimi nos
TS web, 20km scram, gist AB, ECCM (39 piont strength)
2x TS large rep, TS EANM, exp kin and therm TS hardeners, domination gyro.
drones Hammer IIs
Done well, so far :)
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NightmareX
Caldari
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.31 08:39:00 -
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This is my current setup on my Machariel.
High-Slot:
6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II
1x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Med-Slot:
1x Sensor Booster II
1x 100MN Afterburner II
1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
1x Tracking Disruptor II
1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Low-Slot:
2x Large Armor Repairer II
1x Armor Explosive Hardener II
1x Armor Kinetic Hardener II
1x Armor Thermal Hardener II
1x Internal Force Field Array I
1x Gyrostabilizer II
And 3x Heavy drones
After i have putted on that setup, then i have 1221 Powergrid and 17.5 CPU left, so i can't put anything in the last High-Slot that are left.
But i have another setup i think is pretty good to.
High-Slot:
6x Dual 425mm AutoCannon II II
2x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Med-Slot:
1x Sensor Booster II
1x 100MN Afterburner II
1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
1x Tracking Disruptor II
1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Low-Slot:
2x Large Armor Repairer II
1x Armor Explosive Hardener II
1x Armor Kinetic Hardener II
1x Armor Thermal Hardener II
1x Internal Force Field Array I
1x Domination Gyrostabilizer II
And 3x Heavy Drones
And here i have 739 Powergrid left and 1 CPU left.
As you can see i don't actually have a pimped setup on it, since i rather like to have 3 Machariels instead of 1 Machariel with uber setup
But for those who are expert with Machariel setups, what would you have used, the first setup i have or the second?
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.08.31 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
dual 425mm II x 6
True Sansha Heavy Nos x 2
Gist MWD x 1
Domi Web x 1
Domi Disruptor x 1
True Sansha Heavy Cap Booster x 1
Hypnos Multispec x 1
Large B-Type Rep x 1
Large C-Type Rep x 1
Internal DC x 1
A-Type EANM x 2-3
Domi Gyrostab II x 1-2
B and Cs do not drop. Officer equivalents might, but you can just switch the second TS nos for a Corpum A-Type med nos and run double Core X and have a properly ungimped tank.
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Wrayeth
Omerta Syndicate
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.08.31 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/08/2006 15:13:45
Machariel
It still needs the domination webber, but other than that it's about as done as it's going to get - faction nos just don't provide enough of a boost at this level to be worth the ISK layout, nor domination gyrostabs.
Oh, and just ignore the rest of the crap in that pic - the caption I added to it on the gallery (and the reason I posted it) was "Signs You Have Too Much ISK".
EDIT: I may spring for a faction injector, though.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Croak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.31 15:59:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/08/2006 15:23:53
Machariel
It still needs the domination webber, but other than that it's about as done as it's going to get - faction nos just don't provide enough of a boost at this level to be worth the ISK layout, nor domination gyrostabs.
Oh, and just ignore the rest of the crap in that pic - the caption I added to it on the gallery was "Signs You Have Too Much ISK".
EDIT: I may spring for a faction injector, though.
What, no Snakes? ;)
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.31 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: korrey
Well ive got all that except the Domination MWD and the second Domination damage mod. (Actually ive got a sansha's damage mod so I could use that.)
I am surprised noone else jumped on this yet. If you think a Sansha damage mods aka heat sink will help a Machariel, you should definitely NOT fly one...
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Wrayeth
Omerta Syndicate
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.08.31 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Croak
What, no Snakes? ;)
LOL, naw. It took me a couple months to save up enough to put that setup together. A siege II BPO provides a nice income, but not *that* good.
That said, a snake set is definitely something to think about. -ponders-
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Croak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.31 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Croak
What, no Snakes? ;)
LOL, naw. It took me a couple months to save up enough to put that setup together. A siege II BPO provides a nice income, but not *that* good.
That said, a snake set is definitely something to think about. -ponders-
Slap a low-grade set on a jump clone, under 400m without Omega, ~650m with. Even if you skip the Omega, you'll still get a 300+ base velocity out of the Mach, and 850+ with a Domi AB (depending on skills and other hardwires). And you can go crazy with the Cheese Whiz, a load of nanos/overdrives in the lows and a good faction MWD can get you right around 5k/s, which may not be entirely useful, but it sure is fun.
Then again, a NanoMach (4x NOS, 4x Siege, MWD, 20k Scram, MTMNBN, Injector, Nanos, etc) could be a fun (if somewhat costly) surprise.
Not as many drones as the Nanophoon, higher mass, and no launcher ROF bonus, but a much better natural tank, with a 46 m/s speed advantage out of the box that frees up a low or two for BCU, and you've got an extra mid to play with as well. Might be sinful to give up a 50% damage bonus and 37.5% tracking by not using AC's, but imagine the jaws dropping when that big beautiful ship gracefully orbits out of web range at 4000 m/s spamming torps. 
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2006.09.01 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Fighter on 01/09/2006 00:37:44
Edited by: Dr Fighter on 01/09/2006 00:34:29
*snip*
Already posted 
Tho i prefer slaves to snakes, once you get fighting the snakes dont help as much ^^
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Croak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.01 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
Edited by: Dr Fighter on 01/09/2006 00:37:44
Edited by: Dr Fighter on 01/09/2006 00:34:29
*snip*
Already posted
Tho i prefer slaves to snakes, once you get fighting the snakes dont help as much ^^
That TOTALLY depends on how you're fighting...
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.09.01 03:52:00 -
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alright, here is a machariel thread
where is kilrock!?!
Ore Mongers' 3rd lotto
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KilROCK
Minmatar
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.01 05:51:00 -
[45]
Edited by: KilROCK on 01/09/2006 05:53:03
Originally by: Samirol
alright, here is a machariel thread
where is kilrock!?!
Heya...
I don't want to be permabanned for this.
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Death Warrent
Karnival of Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.01 05:53:00 -
[46]
Your my hero KilROCK.
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CheezWhiz
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Posted - 2006.12.15 07:48:00 -
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The way real men fly:
6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, 2x Heavy Diminishing Power Drain
5x Large Inefficient Hull Repair Unit
5x Local Hull Conversion Reinforced Bulkheads, Estamel's Modified Co-Processor (+18.6%), Damage Control II
needs a 5% turret CPU reduction implant
The good news is with 1 NOS, all 5 reps will run forever. The bad news is you're only repairing 25hp/sec... but still... you're hull tanking 
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.12.15 08:44:00 -
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Corpus-X Heavy Nos ftw
Or are they A? The 42km ones that just started dropping.
With falloff rigs/soothsayer, your ACs should be hitting at that range, too.
Faction nos is *very* worth it if your weapons can match range with them. Of course, if youre solo, you wont be scrambling your target at this point. But wingmen in inties are ftw.
Also, I agree that Domi gyros aren't worth the outlay over t2 (theyre less than 2% better than a t2 gyro. And I dont mean 2% DPS, I mean 2% better than the gyro itself - that's ~0.4% DPS on your first gyro). Officer gyros are, though. If you can find them.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 15/12/2006 10:12:48
Originally by: Croak
Slap a low-grade set on a jump clone, under 400m without Omega, ~650m with. Even if you skip the Omega, you'll still get a 300+ base velocity out of the Mach, and 850+ with a Domi AB (depending on skills and other hardwires).
I know this threads practically a necro, but do you seriously get that sort of speed increase out of a LG Snakes set? ...and then you can stack on some hardwirings too?
Tempted to get a set if that's the case.
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nabort
Total Mayhem.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: nabort on 11/01/2007 21:47:43
Since we're looking at pimped setups (and this ship deserves pimpage, best BS in game IMO) this is a setup that will make me quit eve when i inevitably lose it to a blob/nos domi(s) but anyway, i'm saving towards it, just another 1.5bil to go. Sarmaul's got the right idea with the passive hardeners, but i'm just living in hope they give nos the nerf it deserves :p
6x 425mm AC II
2x DB Nos
100mn Gist-X Type AB
Domi Web
Domi Disruptor
Heavy Cap Injector II
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster
Centus A-type LAR
Centus B-type LAR
Core X-type Therm, Explo, Kin Hardeners
DCU II
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilser
The speed is worse than Sarmaul's, the gank is less, the tank is stronger, but so fragile to the oh so popular nos (curse it's existence), but you have to admit, posting a Screenie of this setup on the forums would make anyone green.
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Timmyu
Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2007.01.11 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Timmyu on 11/01/2007 21:57:52
centus A and B type items doesnt exist unless you manage to get super lucky in some explo plex, cormac sensor booster is like 700m-1bil isk and the tobias gyrostab was up for 950m last i saw it (crazy isk for the minimal boost they add over the second best or third etc)
not done the math but im sure a good officer injector must be better then a t2 one.
also you really should consider putting rigs on a 5bil+ ship, PG rigs will open up a whole new book of tricks.
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Speedie Tappaja
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Posted - 2007.01.11 22:43:00 -
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My dream Machariel would be
high
6x 650mm ac T2
2x Heavy dim (or faction that got same stats then heavy dim)
med
Domi web
Domi disruptor
True sansha heavy cap booster
Domi Mwd or officer(setele on my atm)
Sensor booster ( to catch smaller stuff)
Small
2x True sansha large armor rep
Centum membranes set ( kinetic explosive thermal)
Ts eanm
domi gyro
of course if i would have isk 64% active. but i dont got that. i got basicly what i posted here. minor changes and not all that good stuff.
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Horus Dark
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:47:00 -
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ima noob.
But if your in a gang and thus you have some1 tackling.
Wouldnt it be a option to do shield tank. (5 mids)
Go howies --> And use lows for dps?
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threeD
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:35:00 -
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My Set Up:
High:
6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillary II
2x Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu
Medium:
1x Domination Warp Disruptor
1x Domination Stasis Webbifier
1x Gist X-Type 100MN MWD
1x True Sansha Sensor Booster
1x Heavy Cap Injector II
Low:
1x Domination Gyrostabliser
2x Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
1x Core X-Type Kinetic Hardener
1x Core X-Type Thermal Hardener
1x Core X-Type Explosive Hardener
1x Reactor Control Unit II
1x Capacitor Control Circuit Rig
1x Anti Explosive Pump
1x Nano accelerator? (Whichever Grants Bonus to Armour Repair Amount)
This set up is typicaly used for all types of warfare, but specificly solo. For gate camping i switch out the MWD for a second True Sansha Sensor Booster
All resistances are over 70, the reps grant 1280 each every 11.5 seconds. And i can run one permanently with the ccc rig, not that i need to,(Thus i need never leave a gate whilst camping, and the cap boosters are reserved should i need to take down multiple bs targets)
Extremly expensive ship, yet it has no officer equipment. This is most deffinetly the best ship i have ever flown.
I am open to criticism and ideas should anyone have any regarding changes i can make to increase the ships effectiveness.
I carry 3000 barrage, 2000 hail, and 1000 EM (u never know when u might run out :o)
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:52:00 -
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my baby
goes 5.8 and decent tank and decent dmg
and secret weapon ECM burst 
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threeD
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:26:00 -
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Interesting use of rigs, but i see your unable to deploy a heavy tank due to it and the fact u have no power grid upgrades. I previously used a mach as a nano ship but since teh nerf i havnt tried, nice 2 see a new idea tho. Id be scared to use such a set up being as its alot to lose n the tank may not hold up well against multiple targets.
I suppose you coudl always run away, but all it takes is a web n bang goes alot of hard cash
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Skva
If your going to go all out with faction gear, may as well get a Dread Guristas Multispec instead of that crappy hypnos
wtf they actually drop!?!?
ive got one and one of kaikai (sp?) modified multispec if you want it...
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Peanut Swsh
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:59:00 -
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Seen 2 CoW guys today in nanomachs (AphroD and some other guy). They were orbiting at 25km, doing almost 7k/s. i've heard they do 10k/s in a straight line. Would be interesting to see what kinda fitting that involves. and how much isk
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Vandalzzz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 13:18:00 -
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I've seen 8.5k Outbreak's Mach. Looks like polycarbons, t2/Domi overs and fullgrade Snakes. And probably Claymore on the spot
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Timmyu
Edited by: Timmyu on 11/01/2007 21:57:52
centus A and B type items doesnt exist unless you manage to get super lucky in some explo plex, cormac sensor booster is like 700m-1bil isk and the tobias gyrostab was up for 950m last i saw it (crazy isk for the minimal boost they add over the second best or third etc)
not done the math but im sure a good officer injector must be better then a t2 one.
also you really should consider putting rigs on a 5bil+ ship, PG rigs will open up a whole new book of tricks.
Why in gods name would anybody pay 700million isk for a sensor booster?
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