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Zuffa
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Posted - 2006.07.12 23:08:00 -
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I just got into the game 2 days ago. It is pretty difficult to figure out.
Correct me if I am wrong; but I understand the term "MacroMining" as a completely different thing than AFK mining.
I understand that being AFK and doing things in game is dangerous but it is not using an illegal macro.
I read the OP and was wondering how he knew that the person was using a macro instead of just being AFK.
Like I said, only played for 2 days. Is AFK mining illegal? or is only Macroing illegal?
Thanks for the correction. Also if you say that AFK playing is illegal can you post the quote in the user agreement? I am currently locked out of the game
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Mysticaa
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Posted - 2006.07.12 23:38:00 -
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 Originally by: PeeWee Pee
or maybe. just maybe their is a player behind all of those you petitioned. ever thought about that??? there are sweat shops all over the world with peopel trying to feed a family by working double shift mining. you want to ban them look in the eyes of their children and tell it !
Wow PeeWee,
Are you completly brain dead or just stupid? If there was a person at the account then why would they go from the station to the asteroid fields for 6 hours in their pod?
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.07.12 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zuffa
I just got into the game 2 days ago. It is pretty difficult to figure out.
Correct me if I am wrong; but I understand the term "MacroMining" as a completely different thing than AFK mining.
I understand that being AFK and doing things in game is dangerous but it is not using an illegal macro.
I read the OP and was wondering how he knew that the person was using a macro instead of just being AFK.
Like I said, only played for 2 days. Is AFK mining illegal? or is only Macroing illegal?
Thanks for the correction. Also if you say that AFK playing is illegal can you post the quote in the user agreement? I am currently locked out of the game
AFK mining is not illegal, problem is that with AFK you can be sitting in a belt gnawing on one asteroid with your hauler and one laser... that would take forever and ever to fill... not very efficient way to mine.
If you try and afk mine with something else you pretty fast rund out of space for your ore...
In less than 3-5 minutes your cargo would be full and your lasers stop.
Also very inefficent way to mine... so what is left ?? well where the macro jettison the ore into a can, the hauler come in and haul it away to a station.
Miner never needs to stop mining, the lasers continue mining ...
There are ways to find out if someone is using a macroprogram or not... bumping them is one way they are sitting out there the whole cyclingtime ... and so on.. when you are using a third party program to help you mining then you are breaking EULA.
Why are you locked out ?
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.13 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mysticaa
Originally by: PeeWee Pee
or maybe. just maybe their is a player behind all of those you petitioned. ever thought about that??? there are sweat shops all over the world with peopel trying to feed a family by working double shift mining. you want to ban them look in the eyes of their children and tell it !
Wow PeeWee,
Are you completly brain dead or just stupid? If there was a person at the account then why would they go from the station to the asteroid fields for 6 hours in their pod?
stfu carebear. i'm talkin about peepz who fly their apocs and coveters in belts mining to no end with they supavisors pick up ore in haul ships. who soz anything about pods! |
Mysticaa
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Posted - 2006.07.13 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mysticaa on 13/07/2006 02:49:32
Originally by: PeeWee Pee
stfu carebear. i'm talkin about peepz who fly their apocs and coveters in belts mining to no end with they supavisors pick up ore in haul ships. who soz anything about pods!
Ok let me know when you get out of the 6th grade. In the mean time we adults are discussing if CCP cares about macrominers. For those of us who have been in this game for more than two weeks can tell when someone is obviously macro'ing.
But some of us still would like to know what CCP considers an acceptable timeframe to deal with macrominer petitions. If the individuals who are petitioned are legit players then some response back to the petitioner should be made. Otherwise it looks like nothing has been done and that CCP does not care.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.13 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mysticaa
Edited by: Mysticaa on 13/07/2006 02:49:32
Originally by: PeeWee Pee
stfu carebear. i'm talkin about peepz who fly their apocs and coveters in belts mining to no end with they supavisors pick up ore in haul ships. who soz anything about pods!
Ok let me know when you get out of the 6th grade. In the mean time we adults are discussing if CCP cares about macrominers. For those of us who have been in this game for more than two weeks can tell when someone is obviously macro'ing.
But some of us still would like to know what CCP considers an acceptable timeframe to deal with macrominer petitions. If the individuals who are petitioned are legit players then some response back to the petitioner should be made. Otherwise it looks like nothing has been done and that CCP does not care.
if ccp has a say you alerady heard it if their no response from gm just as good as saying you petition bogus. |
Mysticaa
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Posted - 2006.07.14 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: PeeWee Pee
if ccp has a say you alerady heard it if their no response from gm just as good as saying you petition bogus.
Wrong again!
PeeWee please stop spouting crap which you have no clue what you are talking about. CCP has never had a policy (to my knowledge) of telling the petitioner if their petition was vaild or not. But because we do not get a response we are left with the feeling that CCP does not care.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mysticaa
Originally by: PeeWee Pee
if ccp has a say you alerady heard it if their no response from gm just as good as saying you petition bogus.
Wrong again!
PeeWee please stop spouting crap which you have no clue what you are talking about. CCP has never had a policy (to my knowledge) of telling the petitioner if their petition was vaild or not. But because we do not get a response we are left with the feeling that CCP does not care.
dude, speak english? they alerady said they care!
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Seth Enkar
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.14 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Seth Enkar on 14/07/2006 17:04:01
PeeWee, are you mental? I'm not gonna say they don't care, but there are words, and there are actions.....and the actions happen to speak louder than the words. a thousand accounts is a LOT of accounts...but these people aren't stupid..they've got backup accounts, they've got other ways to get around GM's and bans...
Macrohunting sounds like a great new mini profession 
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Eralus
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Posted - 2006.07.14 18:22:00 -
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Couldn't CCP just spawn more ore in the belts so there was some left for people who WANTED to mine?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.14 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eralus
Couldn't CCP just spawn more ore in the belts so there was some left for people who WANTED to mine?
You say that not realizing 95%, or more, of the systems in EVE are never stripped.
Move a jump to mine if an entire system is stripped ffs!
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Seth Enkar
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.15 02:41:00 -
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ya' know, that'd work if empire wasn't constantly getting raped...
my corp has a base in Alentene...it, and all the systems around it are constantly getting farmed, so there's never really any rocks...we had to set up shop in a .5 system, so we could finally get some mining done....it's quite a ways from our HQ, and other bases though, so it's really inconvenient.
so a lot of time, it's no a simple matter of "move one jump ffs"....sometimes it's move 3 jumps, or move 6 jumps...i dunno about you, but i HATE taking mining barges on long trips, because they're dead slow, and a long trip automatically becomes a "omfglong" trip...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.15 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
The Devs and GMs do care about the impact MMs and ISK farmers have on EVE, the community, in-game economy, etc. As a number of previous posters pointed out, over 1,000 subscribing accounts were banned last month and over 500 trials were hit with the ban stick.
Even though that is an impressive number, it is still obvious that you designed the mining system in eve specifically to encourage people to run multiple accounts for astronomical ingame profits.
You even increased the cycle time on the best mining ships manyfold compared to what normal mining lasers do to accomodate multi-account users better and make it even less involved of an experience for people mining on single accounts.
All this obviously not only encourages people to use multiple accounts to gain massive ingame advantages, but also is the basis for macro mining and farming on a grand scale.
So, while I apreciate that CCP is doing something about macro miners, I would appreciate a mining system that's not specifically designed to allow you to run dozens of accounts at once even more.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.15 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Originally by: kieron
The Devs and GMs do care about the impact MMs and ISK farmers have on EVE, the community, in-game economy, etc. As a number of previous posters pointed out, over 1,000 subscribing accounts were banned last month and over 500 trials were hit with the ban stick.
Even though that is an impressive number, it is still obvious that you designed the mining system in eve specifically to encourage people to run multiple accounts for astronomical ingame profits.
You even increased the cycle time on the best mining ships manyfold compared to what normal mining lasers do to accomodate multi-account users better and make it even less involved of an experience for people mining on single accounts.
All this obviously not only encourages people to use multiple accounts to gain massive ingame advantages, but also is the basis for macro mining and farming on a grand scale.
So, while I apreciate that CCP is doing something about macro miners, I would appreciate a mining system that's not specifically designed to allow you to run dozens of accounts at once even more.
you fer real dude? why should more peepz mining togather yield less ores. what are you kidding me
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.15 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 15/07/2006 15:24:52
You kan read dude?
My post doesn't say you should yield less ore if you mine in groups. It says that the mining system in Eve is specifically designed to accomodate people mining with 5 accounts instead of in a group.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.16 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Edited by: Noriath on 15/07/2006 15:24:52
You kan read dude?
My post doesn't say you should yield less ore if you mine in groups. It says that the mining system in Eve is specifically designed to accomodate people mining with 5 accounts instead of in a group.
what would you suggest? make it so they have to stroke the same repetive mouse motions more faster to deplete and asteroid? me thinks that will just drive them out of game. mining is incredibly boring as is. real peepz playing miners competing with macro miner bots is where the fun is in mining hands down. take that away where is pvp in mining
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Seth Enkar
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Seth Enkar on 18/07/2006 09:34:22
Originally by: PeeWee Pee
Originally by: Noriath
Edited by: Noriath on 15/07/2006 15:24:52
You kan read dude?
My post doesn't say you should yield less ore if you mine in groups. It says that the mining system in Eve is specifically designed to accomodate people mining with 5 accounts instead of in a group.
what would you suggest? make it so they have to stroke the same repetive mouse motions more faster to deplete and asteroid? me thinks that will just drive them out of game. mining is incredibly boring as is. real peepz playing miners competing with macro miner bots is where the fun is in mining hands down. take that away where is pvp in mining
wow...i thought you were "Special" before....
-points up- that's gotta be about the most retarded thing i've seen anyone say here.
Macromining is bad, it's plain as that. competing with them isn't a comptition for most people, it's a major inconvenience. macros force relatively inexperienced people into lower security sectors, where they can be more easily exploited, or taken out altogether.
Macros seriously effect people's ability to mine in safe space, and make money without having to get shot at for it. some people aren't into combat at all, and aren't going to wanna go to a lower security system to mine, because they don't wanna fight the rats.
honestly, i don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
I gotta ask again peewee...are you mental?
as to what i'd suggest...i'd like to see the devs to allow us to engage and destroy suspected macrominers. we would of course hafta prove that they're macrominers before we engage, but still...i think this would senda message to them that we're not gonna put up with it.
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talonXI
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: talonXI on 19/07/2006 20:47:20
Considering ISD is trusted enough to patrol the forums, as well as providing help in the "rookie channel" (I forget it's actual name), why has no one ever suggested having an ISD department to handle this as well?
I'm pretty sure that department would grow rather large (I'd be first in line, having petitioned enough macrominers, stolen from them, shipkilled them, and warned them it would continue if they didn't leave the area I operate out of). |
Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:53:00 -
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SIMPLE SOLUTION:
BAN BARGES FROM 0.5 AND ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!
If they are advanced enough to fly a barge, they are advanced enough to protect themselves.
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Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.07.19 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore
SIMPLE SOLUTION:
BAN BARGES FROM 0.5 AND ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!
If they are advanced enough to fly a barge, they are advanced enough to protect themselves.
Not really... only took me two weeks to train in to a barge. Stip miners and all.
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Thanakar Kefferdil
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Thanakar Kefferdil on 19/07/2006 23:29:49
Originally by: Martin Gore
SIMPLE SOLUTION:
BAN BARGES FROM 0.5 AND ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!
If they are advanced enough to fly a barge, they are advanced enough to protect themselves.
Not a good solution at all. I'm a solo-player with a character specced for mining. I'm also a casual player currently since I've been getting my training up. The few times I have ventured into low-sec space I was blown up withing seconds of entering the system by the gankers camping the gates. Besides, if you're outfitted for mining its more then likely you're not outfitted for defense so protection would be futile.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Seth Enkar
Macromining is bad, it's plain as that. competing with them isn't a comptition for most people, it's a major inconvenience. macros force relatively inexperienced people into lower security sectors, where they can be more easily exploited, or taken out altogether.
Macros seriously effect people's ability to mine in safe space, and make money without having to get shot at for it. some people aren't into combat at all, and aren't going to wanna go to a lower security system to mine, because they don't wanna fight the rats.
honestly, i don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
I gotta ask again peewee...are you mental?
as to what i'd suggest...i'd like to see the devs to allow us to engage and destroy suspected macrominers. we would of course hafta prove that they're macrominers before we engage, but still...i think this would senda message to them that we're not gonna put up with it.
thatz pretty retarded tbh! you want devs to make it so competing macro farmers can war dec each other even when they hide in noob corps? you think normal peepz would waste isk to wardec recyclable altz you be da mental one!
me thinks we get rid of empire and have full out pvp so peepz cant exploit it to hide their macro bot alts !
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