The concept sounds nice, but how could it be implemented in an engaging way?


If it's just a flat, fixed stats bonus, it kind of overlaps with implants, links, even faction/deadspace/officer modules if you think about it. All stuff that gives you some +X% performance for a price and/or additional effort and/or risk.

If it's a stat bonus that increases over time:



- If it's some kind of 'XP', it could easily become a tedious grind: 'I'll repeatedly shoot my corpmate while he reps, so my crew become better shooters and his crew become better reppers'.


Did you have some implementation concept in mind?

Crews would be cool but the problem is, after 11 years of the Empyrean age, all the skilled crew members have probably already died, and those still alive are probably alive because they do not serve on Capsuleer ships.

But yeah to implement them would just require CCP adding "crew slots" to the fitting window. Crews would have different effects on your ships and different levels and would be available via NPC/LP and represent an ISK sink. They would also have a drop rate (escape pods).

You realise we Amarr would be half way to thorough breed crews by now

Would need an "abandon ship" button for when you know you're going down so you can save your crew for another ship. Not hitting button in time = everybody dies.

Would need an "abandon ship" button for when you know you're going down so you can save your crew for another ship. Not hitting button in time = everybody dies.

Ingame union lawsuits! Brilliant!

The concept sounds nice, but how could it be implemented in an engaging way?

Derptrons are not OSHA compliant.

And here I thought sticking implants in my head, buying skill books, and spending ISK on clones would be enough.

Have we forgotten who and what we are? We are capsuleers!

We're able to control the ships without assistance from fallible humans.

Now if you would like to have crews of entertainers, traders, and other non-essential personnel, then by all means bring it on.

But as soon as something, or someone else takes a step onto my command deck I will biomass myself.

But as soon as something, or someone else takes a step onto my command deck I will biomass myself.

If you gyus watched the bids and sales on indu crews - paying multi bill bids for npc crews (titan construction) - you may percieve how powerful crews would be.

As long a a crew could die - have no clone - a crew could bring a new level of simulation to combat on EVE.

I simply don't want this to be world of tanks. Crews are a bad idea IMO. it's never good to assimilate skill structure directly from another widely-known MMO.

Crew mortality makes them obsolete but capsuleers don't start the game with superpowers at everything so maybe not so obsolete.

Maybe make it where crew skills can add up to bonus the things that regular skills do, but cap at the bonuses you would get from that same level 5 skill.

The only way I will concede my opinion is if crew skills and advancement are based on usage of said crew; and nothing like the train over time regardless of usage map that normal SP follows. It could provide a little bit of balance if integrated properly to be balanced, .

I would agree that the train over time system is flawed but skill advancement is something difficult to find a good solution to. I have no suggestions on that, firstly because it is a huge integral chunk of the game to be messing with, secondly all the alternatives I know of are just as flawed.

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Honestly if it was any easier I wouldn't play it and would move on to whatever is the hardest thing to play. Some people like to just jump in and have mindless fun.

The time factor is all a bit screwy, I'm not sure if the only reason train over time exists is because new type of game can do it, so lets use it because it is different. It has a mixture of things happening in real time and symbolic time, how long it would actually take and what is best for the game.
Time Factor = How well you know the game but that multiplies by what your character can do. A massive advantage that they try to even out by making the higher skills take longer which works to some extent..
The concept that the character has to do everything on a ship, whatever size ship, yeah ok we want to keep the arcade side of things don't we ?

[quote=Nevil Oscillator] Those who put in the effort and planning SHOULD get the advantages IMO.
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I'm not sure the existence of crew (Possibly as a module) that provide artificial skills would affect that, it would just provide an alternative route with disadvantages to having the skills yourself.

ISK can't buy everything but it can have a bloody good try is what I am thinking.

So you think this game should be pay to win?

Having all purple should make you the best?

That is not EVE WoW is down the hall and to right after the kindergarteners' bathrooms.

Some people don't mind going out in stuff they can't fly well yet, but I prefer to go out in things I am almost max skilled in and enjoy having that edge.

nevil,
when you want to keep talking and are the last poster in the thread,

edit that post instead of putting another.
its the button next to quote.

I will tighten my game up as I get used to it.

Apologies fo posting this in so many sections but it is taking a while for me to think about all this. I think that what you have said is a bit of a contradiction. On the one hand you want to retain this character focus and have the edge but on the other you want to distance yourself from the arcade side of the game. I like the way people can jump in a ship, go out and have fun, I like the logistics and empire contro that you can aspire to. I like the way characters can be good at things to gain an advantage in their element. I'm not so keen on the idea that everything works like that. Eve is also a political game, it's not just about number crunching and optimizing. Your greatest asset might not be part of the game rules.

Trying to make it easier for new players to skip skills or get other advantages to more quickly get up to par with skills promotes advancement of people that are more lazy than before.

- If it's just real time, it's not so much about survival, it's more like 'buy ship and crew, leave ship in station for a couple of months, undock with Corpses'