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Piuro
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:35:00 -
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What part of what I am saying is regarding Aerodynamics? Its basic propultion, if two objects off center are giving off different ammounts of thrust, it will rotate on an axis.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:36:00 -
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 Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
Originally by: Avon
I assume the OP knows that not all aircraft are symmetrical either?
Infact our ships have monkey butlers that run around the ship balancing the different thrust and weight loads. Thats why they're so stable. Goddamn I love monkey butlers.
Have to keap spanking my monkey cuz he's a lazy sod and we end up spinning in circles all the time.
/emote spanks his monkey again 
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Mirasta
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:36:00 -
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Perhaps the femputer onboard can regulate the engines in such away to account for unbalanced thrust in any situation in game to create a seemingly smooth and equal motion?
Perhaps the engines are placed in such away to account for an imbalance of the internal non-visible systems mass on one portion of a ship?
Perhaps there magical pixie furies that push the ship in certain directions and the engines are simply for show to keep people amused?
Perhaps CCP just made it all up?
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Piuro
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:37:00 -
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Yes, lets settle all these arguments; CCP, Give us a giant rack to fly around with. I think that would make everyone here happy. 
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Piuro
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mirasta
Perhaps CCP just made it all up?
Lies! Amarr lies!
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Piuro
What part of what I am saying is regarding Aerodynamics? Its basic propultion, if two objects off center are giving off different ammounts of thrust, it will rotate on an axis.
Originally by: Piuro=P.S.
I know aerodynamics might not seem important in space, but keep in mind the gas fields and micrometeors need to be avoided and flown through without hitting somthing so far away from the centre of the ships gravity, which could cause a spin.[/quote
Sound familiar?
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Shaikar
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:45:00 -
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As has already been said, there is very little "real" physics in EVE.
for example, take basic spaceflight, ignoring things like startgates and warp. Why, in EVE space, do ships bank when they try to turn tight corners as if they were jumbo jets?
To put it in sci fi physics terms, EVE is far mor more like Starwars, where x-wings fly suspiciously like WW2 fighters, than Babylon 5, where at least starfuries have the decency to fly (vaguely) like a real space fighter might. (Given they don't exist it's a bit hard to say :) )
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Piuro
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:45:00 -
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I was speaking specifically reguarding the previous comment. Either way, I surrender. -_-
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Phant Zon
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
This is a shooty shooty spaceship game primarily geared and functioning around PvP
NOT the NASA training program 
hmmm Though it would be cool if it was. 50 years down the line...
"Husten(sp) we have an unidentified ship aproaching"
"Blob it!"
"Yarrr"
Alliaanna
"Houston, we have a problem"
*grin*
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Piuro
Yes, lets settle all these arguments; CCP, Give us a giant rack to fly around with. I think that would make everyone here happy.
Not at all what we're saying. What I'm saying, is as long as it looks good and makes the game entertaining, why should I even care enough to spew my brainpower into it? I've got more important (RL) stuff to worry about compared to why my ship works in a GAME.
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Niivvy
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:12:00 -
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The op seems to me like the kindos of person who watches superman or lost in space and shouts at the T.V. aww he could never do that cos.......
this is a game like space tv programs where u can hear things in space like lasers shooting and rockets blowing stuff up. if the whole movie was silent it would be crap and no one would watch it, hence it would flop.
if u like realisim i suggest playing microsoft flight sim or ever try out "real life" once in a while i heard it can be quite real!!!!
but remember this is a game not rl and ccp want to make it fun not bland and boaring..
lets see if it was more realistic would u realy waqnt to play it ????
1 ships would both blow up when u bumped eac hother
2 thier would be no noise or sound and ts would be forbiden cos u cant talk in a pod!!!
3 u would take ages to accelerate and an equil ammount of time to stop so.
4 when hit from the side with a peojectile ships would go into a spin.
5 acceleration gates woulld hurtle u into the abyss of space never to be seen again
come on the list goes on engoy the GAME like somone sais this is NOT a space simulstion game its a sci-fi fantasy shooty game
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Indra Sebuchiore
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Novarei
There is no attention to physics and realism in this game.
Sadly true.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Piuro
I disagree, I find that quite a bit of the game has a very well paid attention to scientific detail. First off, for human evolution to occur at the rates at which eve has displayed it, it would be nessicary for isolation on an unfimiliar enviroment to occur. And on that note, isolation through a collapsed wormhole is extremely possible.
To top it all off, the whole "Pod" system of enclosure is the only way to survive the high levels of acceleration the ship displays.
erm... you are just the captain, the ships still have a crew...
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
Goddamn I love monkey butlers.
This is funny out of context :).
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
Originally by: Avon
I assume the OP knows that not all aircraft are symmetrical either?
Infact our ships have monkey butlers that run around the ship balancing the different thrust and weight loads. Thats why they're so stable. Goddamn I love monkey butlers.
Have to keap spanking my monkey cuz he's a lazy sod and we end up spinning in circles all the time.
/emote spanks his monkey again
Are you sure you're not spinning out and losing control because you're spanking your monkey all the time?
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shaikar
To put it in sci fi physics terms, EVE is far mor more like Starwars, where x-wings fly suspiciously like WW2 fighters, than Babylon 5, where at least starfuries have the decency to fly (vaguely) like a real space fighter might. (Given they don't exist it's a bit hard to say :) )
Thats because George Lucas studied ww2 dogfight footage as inspiration for the x-wing fight scenes...
J. Michael Straczynski (the guy who did Babylon 5) actually consulted with NASA about all the stuff in B5. B5 is actually one of the, if not the most "realistic" space sci-fi show about.
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Thelmarr
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Piuro
What part of what I am saying is regarding Aerodynamics? Its basic propultion, if two objects off center are giving off different ammounts of thrust, it will rotate on an axis.
Now, I do not claim to be space specialist but you forget something.
In athmosphere having big rocket and small rocket set to one hull at distance would cause ship to turn in direction of smaller rocket. But this is because of drag caused by air IIRC. In effect air slows down smaller thruster side causing whole structure to turn.
In space, on the other hand, there is no drag caused by air so there is no problem.
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Whelan Iskander
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
Are you sure you're not spinning out and losing control because you're spanking your monkey all the time?
This is just gross...I mean come on. Do you people know what 'spanking the monkey' is?
Think of the children...and the kittens. OMG the kittens...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:59:00 -
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Why should ships be symmetrical in an environment where symmetry gives no benefit whatsoever?
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:00:00 -
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Non-newtonian propulsion.
Next question?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:22:00 -
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Part of the OPs problem is assuming that becuase he dislikes symmetry in the ships, everyone else should as well.
Personally I love the mix between symmetrical ship and unsymmetrical. It makes the ship designs far more varied as well as help instill the sense of a design philosophy behind each races ships.
Using real life examples is a poor idea in this case as they simply cannot be applied to Eve. The "physical" rules in Eve are defined by developers as they see fit, nothing else.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/07/2006 10:24:18
Originally by: Avon
Jeez, it isn't exactly rocket science...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 13/07/2006 10:35:18
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Piuro
Then argue my "Ugly" point.
Oh, and warp speeds are technically viable, given certain theories (String and White Hole specifically).
Symmetry is ugly.
Actually, no it isn't...
All of the procreation methods we know of for life on this planet take into account symmetry where mate selection is occurring.
We humans do the same thing with our vehicles, etc...
Symmetry is much more prevalent, acceptable, and desired...
Only time symmetry is not desired is to accommodate better form, fit & function. Certainly not to please the eye...
I design machines for the aerospace industry, and I try to keep my designs symmetrical wherever possible. It's simpler for all involved, from me to the vendor making parts, all the way to the customer maintenance dept, etc. (And the customer suits appreciate the machine much more if it's pleasing to to the eye, even if it does not affect performance)
Symmetry should always be strived for in design IMO.
Evolution strives for symmetry, so should all designers...
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Evolution strives for symmetry, so should all designers...
No it doesn't
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:38:00 -
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There's symmetry, and then there's symmetry...
Very few things are completely asymmetrical, and the only thing that's totally symmetrical for rotation and reflection in all planes is a hypersphere in twenty or so dimensions.
Now that we've got that out of the way, any perceived lack of symmetry in Eve's ships is the least of their physical problems.
For example, since when was a spatial object's maximum velocity (which should in theory be just a tad less than c) more important than its maximum acceleration?
Trust me, Eve will make a lot more sense when you throw out the physics.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Bhaal
Evolution strives for symmetry, so should all designers...
No it doesn't
Chirality 4tw.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 13/07/2006 10:43:58
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Bhaal
Evolution strives for symmetry, so should all designers...
No it doesn't
Most life on this planet strives for symmetry down it's longitudinal axis.
Not many life forms strive for asymmetry.
You're just being a butt-head...
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Bhaal
Evolution strives for symmetry, so should all designers...
No it doesn't
Most life on this planet is symmetrical down it's longitudinal axis.
Not many life forms strive for asymmetry.
You're just being a butt-head...
That all depends on what scale you're looking at it.
A tree may look symmetrical from a distance, but are its branches really like that?
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:53:00 -
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Evolution strives for nothing. It's just a result. 
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 13/07/2006 10:55:27
Evolution strives for symmetry, so should all designers...
No it doesn't
Most life on this planet is symmetrical down it's longitudinal axis.
Not many life forms strive for asymmetry.
You're just being a butt-head...
That all depends on what scale you're looking at it.
A tree may look symmetrical from a distance, but are its branches really like that?
A tree would definitely be symmetrical under the right external conditions. Sunlight, prevailing wind, substrate in which the roots propagate. Are some factors that take a tree off the path of symmetry.
A baby in a mothers womb, up against the wall will develop some asymmetry. If that baby was able to grow in a static environment, more humans would be symmetrical. (crooked noses, different length appendages)
Most ppl's faces are not symmetric due to this (along with genetic defects of course)
In manufacturing, we can hold much tighter tolerances, so we can achieve much more symmetry. Living this grow to lesser tolerances do to genetic defects and external forces.
I've seen some conifers that are so symmetrical, it's amazing they could even grow that way, but more amazing is how pleasing to the eye they are compared to others...
I'd rather date a symmetrical woman, than one who is grossly asymmetrical... Same with flying EVE ships, or driving a car...
Maybe Avon prefers asymmetrical women...
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