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MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.07.15 15:15:00 - [31] Edited by: MrCue on 15/07/2006 15:17:14 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/07/2006 12:51:02 I hope everyone that uses such an ap get permanantly banned. Agree. CCP are on record as stating they don't want local to be an intel gathering tool - and that is exactly what this modification makes it. So they should ban everyone who adds the hostiles to their address book too, because this modification and adding people to your address book are almost exactly the same (Both alter the images in local). EXCEPT, adding hundreds of people to your address book once again causes more server load, whereas this modification doesnt. CCP really do need to implement this, or at least the ability to have a coloured square over a portrait based on standings. But again, one causes more load, the other doesnt. Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Killmail Database
Alassra Eventide Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.15 15:17:00 - [32] They could just redefine local to only show portraits when someone has talked, like in alliance chat.
Krystian Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 16:07:00 - [33] Intel gatherers will just use the 'buddylist' to see who is hostile in local from a glance anyway. An official nod from CCP that they will implement this in future patch would be wonderfull. I think its great, no more constant wasting time searching local or lagging your computer out as a 'login' server using huge buddylist. EVERY alliance does this, you dont check local if you pvp your either dead/lucky or going to get your corpmates killed do to bad scouting. So why not make it a tad easier? __________________________________________________
Longitude eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:30:00 - [34] Originally by: MrCue Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Well so can Corp/alliance chat channels
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Longitude Originally by: MrCue Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Well so can Corp/alliance chat channels True, so i guess everyone with a corp chat open better be banned to. Killmail Database
mazzilliu Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:27:00 - [36] i think it's a great idea but that's what i use my addressbook for, anyone without a green box in local is an unfriendly. anyone else who has to keep track of a more complicated system of friendlies and unfriendlies would probably want to use that program more. personally i think that CCP should address this issue by integrating this feature into the client or alter local so this issue is no longer relevant. one thing i like so much about EVE is the lack of inneffective "anti cheat" programs like gameguard and all the problems and inconvenence it causes. also i dont think that banning the people that use the program is really a constructive or permanent solution. ---------
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:37:00 - [37] Edited by: TheBigPic on 15/07/2006 18:37:24 Originally by: Belinda HwaFang a) it relies on a 3rd party piece of software running while you run the game Just a quick point of clairification, as I stated in my first post, this program would completely terminate before EVE starts, all it really does is download a list, and copy files according to that list, then terminate, im not talking about a program that can hack the server. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang b) it modifies the way the game is played As stated by some of the other posters above, adding all your hostiles to your address book (A horibly server laggy solution, but unfortuneatly the best one right now), or haveing someone from your corp watch local for you and just shout out on a TS/Vent server who is hostile, or even just right clicking and showing info on everyone that comes into the system "Modifies the way the game is played" I am talking about releaseing this code for everyone, thus removeing the basic in-equality of said modification. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang c) You get an advantage over other players (actually the weakest of the 3 reasons imo) The same advantage as the methods mentioned above, just done easier. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang On the other hand you don't (from the information you gave us) display any information that isn't already available in the game, you just cut down the clicking to get to it. Local Chat is rather important, and I think the UI around it needs some work. I Agree. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang Have you tried creating a GM request through eve-online and attaching your source code? It might inspire CCP to integrate it (or something similar). No I have not, mainly cuz I don't consider the code complete enuf to submit to anyone yet, just had this legal issue come up while I was in the middle of writeing it, and decided to stop. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang Given that CCP isn't using scanning software to scan what you are running on your computer, and given that you are not getting information that is not already available just a bit (undetectably?) faster, I really can't see how CCP will detect and punish abusers of this software. I leave it to your conscience. My Conscience says I that I need to run this by CCP first
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:57:00 - [38] Originally by: MrCue Edited by: MrCue on 15/07/2006 15:17:14 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/07/2006 12:51:02 I hope everyone that uses such an ap get permanantly banned. Agree. CCP are on record as stating they don't want local to be an intel gathering tool - and that is exactly what this modification makes it. So they should ban everyone who adds the hostiles to their address book too, because this modification and adding people to your address book are almost exactly the same (Both alter the images in local). EXCEPT, adding hundreds of people to your address book once again causes more server load, whereas this modification doesnt. CCP really do need to implement this, or at least the ability to have a coloured square over a portrait based on standings. But again, one causes more load, the other doesnt. Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Originally by: Krystian Intel gatherers will just use the 'buddylist' to see who is hostile in local from a glance anyway. An official nod from CCP that they will implement this in future patch would be wonderfull. I think its great, no more constant wasting time searching local or lagging your computer out as a 'login' server using huge buddylist. EVERY alliance does this, you dont check local if you pvp your either dead/lucky or going to get your corpmates killed do to bad scouting. So why not make it a tad easier? Originally by: Longitude Originally by: MrCue Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Well so can Corp/alliance chat channels All Very good posts that basically make the same point, this data is already available, this is just gathered in an easier way
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.15 19:02:00 - [39] Originally by: mazzilliu i think it's a great idea but that's what i use my addressbook for, anyone without a green box in local is an unfriendly. anyone else who has to keep track of a more complicated system of friendlies and unfriendlies would probably want to use that program more. personally i think that CCP should address this issue by integrating this feature into the client or alter local so this issue is no longer relevant. one thing i like so much about EVE is the lack of inneffective "anti cheat" programs like gameguard and all the problems and inconvenence it causes. also i dont think that banning the people that use the program is really a constructive or permanent solution. I currently use the addressbook method also, however I also use it for allince people and others of a freindly nature also. While I can remember most of them as whether or not they are freindly, the fact that I don't remember them all makes it so that I still have to right click the ones I can't remember and show info, thus makeing a repeated server load issue.
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:01:00 - [40] I can't believe how many people are condoning this. If CCP make it part of the game, fine. Until then, anyone found using it should be banned. Oh, and as to CCP giving it the nod as previously hinted, this I understand is untrue. This is an EULA violation, it is a cheat. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ur Dirac Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:50:00 - [41] This is a really spiffy idea.
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Avon I can't believe how many people are condoning this. This is an EULA violation, it is a cheat. Oh yes, i forgot. Anything wich reduces lag is a cheat. How silly of me. Did you actualy bother to read any of this thread? Everything this does can already be done with ingame methods. they just create LAG and lots of it. Killmail Database
Belinda HwaFang Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.15 23:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Belinda HwaFang on 15/07/2006 23:40:51 Originally by: Avon I can't believe how many people are condoning this. If CCP make it part of the game, fine. Actually I didn't see many people condoning it at all. Someone has posted about hypothetical scripts which can make the human addressbook/local detective techniques that many of us use (myself included) more streamlined in terms of results and server lag. We are discussing this, and many players are highlighting the grey area that this part of the game is in right now. On the very first day I played EVE I noticed I could use my addressbook to track players logging on and off. Useful I thought. 2 days later I was podded by a griefer sitting in a crow at a gate. What was the first thing I thought to do? Add him to the addressbook in my "Griefers" category. Both to keep a grudge list, and to see when he is online/offline. CCP need to be decisive on this matter, both to point the way forward in terms of gameplay and to keep server communication to a minimum. As for people using such scripts, I don't think has a big impact on what is already being done by most of us using the mechanics provided by the game. Certainly for someone like me who is not in a complex alliance/corporate war situation, at least. I can't speak for the rest of you. -- Belinda HwaFang [IEND] Infinity's End
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.16 03:10:00 - [44] Edited by: TheBigPic on 16/07/2006 03:13:27 Originally by: Avon I can't believe how many people are condoning this. If CCP make it part of the game, fine. Until then, anyone found using it should be banned. Oh, and as to CCP giving it the nod as previously hinted, this I understand is untrue. This is an EULA violation, it is a cheat. Condone what? Adding this to the game or standing asside and letting someone else who already has a working version write it for them? If this was about breaking the EULA and just doing what I wanted, I wouldn't have posted about it on the forums. This was about getting approval from CCP about it, or possibly them saying they are working on it already and to just wait for the patch. As far the "nod" mentioned, I had heard of it before I posted this, and I am fairly sure that they can't detect this, and that I could have just gone on a done it and gotten away with it. But that doesn't solve the root issue here. There is nothing wrong with asking questions like this, so please tone down the ban everybody rhetoric.
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.17 00:01:00 - [45] /bump I hope to get a responce to this from CCP, this is a constructive post, and deserve's some sort of answer even if it is just "No"
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.19 02:43:00 - [46] /bump
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.22 03:37:00 - [47] Originally by: TheBigPic /bump I hope to get a responce to this from CCP, this is a constructive post, and deserve's some sort of answer even if it is just "No" /bump
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 07:11:00 - [48] I guess you missed the mention of portrait swapping on EveTV? They spoke about Remedial's changed portrait, and then stopped themselves, stating they couldn't talk about it because it is an exploit. The Dev on the couch seemed in agreement. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Prestis	Posted - 2006.07.22 07:29:00 - [49] So what if someone takes this a step further and adds a plug-in to monitor local and flash up a "HOSTILES IN SYSTEM! LOG OR SAFESPOT NOW!" message whenever a low-sec or enemy pilot jumps in? Would that be good for EVE? How would PvP even happen?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:38:00 - [50] The only way to get your answer is by asking a GM via petition. I don't know why you're even asking for one tho, it could hardly be more obvious then it already is. It's an exploit to adapt the game client in any way, that includes swapping portraits, models and even the changing of textures of ships that only you yourself would ever get to see. The reason the whole of goonfleet is not yet banned is because CCP can't prove what you're doing as long as the changes to your client aren't communicated to the server. I'm going to go out o0n a limb and guess that that's the part CCP's is working on atm, or planning to start on sometime not too distant. We've seen far too many examples of ****ty cheats lately. It's what you get when you let inferior players join a game once it becomes more popular. Old blog
Ellaine TashMurkon Em Pack HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.22 09:18:00 - [51] Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 22/07/2006 09:21:12 I have created a "trial" and made a screenshot, then I petitioned if its legal, and got answer; -its not legal, it breaks EULA point about modifying client environment and there is no exception. -they may create something like that in mainstream game in future. Wait for it, not brek EULA. (I hope I wont get banned for publication of private comunication, I think thoe statements are better known to public then not).
Maya Rkell Corsets and Carebears	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:52:00 - [52] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 22/07/2006 11:53:39 If CCP dosn't like this, there are technical ways round this. For example, checking random samples of your cache's portraits, and if any checksum incorrectly, purging the portrait list and reloading. This would also force refreshes when someone on your list paid to alter their portrait. No need to ban anyone. (And corrupted images and paid altered images mean that you can't really take action for cache alterations to portraits..it's impossible to be sure via an automated hash check if it was intended or not and uploading the image from someones hard disk is legaly problematic)
DeckardIRL Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:13:00 - [53] If Goons are using this then it should be released to everyone. I can't believe BoB aren't using it already.... There are no drawbacks to using this software, it just adds intelligence (in both senses) to local. The buddy list is nothing of the sort and is a laggy waste of time, something sensible needs to be done to sort it and this idea does what is needed. CCP should state that they are going to make this change anyway. It has been asked for many times in the forums before. Deckard ______________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud.....
Zakgram Apocalyptic Raiders	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:48:00 - [54] Edited by: Zakgram on 25/07/2006 11:48:08 Originally by: Avon I guess you missed the mention of portrait swapping on EveTV? They spoke about Remedial's changed portrait, and then stopped themselves, stating they couldn't talk about it because it is an exploit. The Dev on the couch seemed in agreement. I missed it; do you have more info? By that I mean - what was said?

Saucerhead	Posted - 2006.07.25 12:34:00 - [55] Sorry, but while indeed it is very useful idea and one that would be nice to have in game, current stance is that it is not allowed and considered both exploit (because you're getting unfair advantage) and EULA violation (because you're changing local client files). So don't do it as you will get banned from the game when caught. I have no choice but to lock this thread. -- Read the Rules!


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