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TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.13 07:54:00 - [1] Edited by: TheBigPic on 13/07/2006 07:58:17 I am re-writeing a batch file currently used by another alliance in game that will redraw the portraits in chat windows such as local/corp/alliance chat according to info downloaded from a central server (thus allowing a central administration of current changes in standing and what not). I was haveing a disscussion with my corp leader who brought up the legitimacy of such a program. Up to that time I had assumed that since the other alliance was useing it and CCP hadn't started banning everybody in sight that it was at least being ignored by CCP if not officially approved, but wanted to get a dev's oppinion on this before going to much further in the re-write. Becuase of the possibility of this type of thing being miss-used/miss-interpreted by others, I want to clearly define the type of batch file that I am talking about: 1. The main reason I am re-writeing it is because the version the other alliance uses is a bunch of compiled C++ .EXE files, which I don't like becuase of their possibility of hideing key-loggers/other inappropriate software (I am not accuseing them of that, infact I have looked at their source code and it is clean, but the possibility for abuse is there, and that is why I wont use it in my version). This has lead me to re-write it entirely as a .CMD style batch files and .CSV text files. The only .EXE files that will be left in mine will be WGet.exe (required to get files downloaded from a web site with a batch file) and two .DLL files that it requires, and 7za.exe (7ZIP) that will be used for uncompressing the stack of templates for the portrait program. Becuase that still leaves the possibilty for abuse open, I would NOT be includeing them in the released version of the client, but would instead require them to be downloaded direct from the vendor to make sure it is a clean copy. 2. The files downloaded would be a .CSV text file for the list of what gets copied where, and a .7z file that will contain compressed versions of the altered .PNG protrait files. 3. The file will not alter any other game files other than the 64x64 pixel .PNG chat portraits. 4. It will not alter any data-streams between the client and CCP's servers, indeed it can't because.... 5. The batch file will completly terminate (Nothing stays resident) before the EvE client is loaded. 6. It would be removeable simply by deleteing the files and clearing the cache. I was hopeing to get an official ruleing from CCP about this kind of batch file, whether it be Ban-On-Sight, Official Approval, or Disapprove-of-But-Can't-Track-So-Don't-Care. If you needed further info before makeing that kind of ruleing, please ask. Hopeing for a responce as soon as it is possible becuase the file is nearing completion.
Nate D	Posted - 2006.07.13 08:00:00 - [2] anything that gives you a leg up on other players is suposed to be against the EULA. But I'm interested. What's different about the portraits. I've always wanted Local chat to have an outline around each player's name. The outline would be the color of the standing that they're set to. -Nate D ----------------------- My Resume is bait for a job at CCP.
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.13 08:04:00 - [3] The ones I am makeing would have a solid background (Red for war, blue for alliance, orange for hostile...) and a corp ticker if needed, just something that would give you a heads up about the characters intentions in your area.
Nate D	Posted - 2006.07.13 08:08:00 - [4] having a program tnat modifies stuff on the server is against EULA as well but this only modifies the local environment with public information. So I supose the question is... does having this information give you a leg up... I'd say yes, unfortunatly. Haha... but AH! if other players are already using such things then it's not giving anyone a leg up... it's making them equal! But I'd love it if CCP would allow it or port it into an official EVE release. -Nate D ----------------------- My Resume is bait for a job at CCP.
Nate D	Posted - 2006.07.13 08:10:00 - [5] Originally by: TheBigPic The ones I am makeing would have a solid background (Red for war, blue for alliance, orange for hostile...) and a corp ticker if needed, just something that would give you a heads up about the characters intentions in your area. What about neutral or corp? or +standing... ----------------------- My Resume is bait for a job at CCP.
Gallentiel	Posted - 2006.07.13 08:16:00 - [6] Edited by: Gallentiel on 13/07/2006 08:19:32 Whoops posted in the wrong window. Ignore. Cogito Eggo Sum "I Think, therefor I am a waffle....."
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.13 08:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Nate D What about neutral or corp? or +standing... Unfortunatly, the data would have to be manually entered, and as you can immagine for a larg corp, there would be alot of data, thus makeing it time/server space prohibitive to make new icons for everyone in the game :-P It would have to be limited down to basically who is alliance, who is freindly, who is hostile, and who is at war, neutrals would be automatic just by leaveing them off the list :-)
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2006.07.13 09:20:00 - [8] EULA, section 7.2 states, "You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played." I wrote the same little gizzmo, just to see if it could be done, and it can easily enough - but then thought I better check and ... well, there it is. -AS
Alaesa	Posted - 2006.07.13 10:36:00 - [9] The GM's said that this is a sploit but they cant detect it so goonfleet get away with it. We are talking about goonfleet chat portraits here arnt we ?
Panzer Klien	Posted - 2006.07.13 10:44:00 - [10] Edited by: Panzer Klien on 13/07/2006 10:45:11 Goonfleet asked a CCP Employee, someone who ranks above the volunteer forum mods and they said it was fine and dandy. Everytime someone brings this up a goon alt posts the email and the thread gets locked for disclosing private communications.
MrCue	Posted - 2006.07.13 11:09:00 - [11] Edited by: MrCue on 13/07/2006 11:09:35 I know of several corps also that use this, and indeed looked into it myself. In essence, all you are really doing is removing the need to "Show Info" on all the people in local. If anything, surley you are doing CCP a favour by removing some of the pointless server load created by 2 (or more) fleets checking info on each other. An official response would be nice (infact, i dont know why CCP hasnt implemented this already, it is unbeliveably simple.) Killmail Database
Zarch AlDain	Posted - 2006.07.13 11:23:00 - [12] It does sound extremely useful... Zarch AlDain The Blackwater Brigade Huzzah Federation
Ur Dirac	Posted - 2006.07.13 11:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Ur Dirac on 13/07/2006 11:55:01 BigPic, this is an interesting idea, do you check your evemail or is this just a no-name alt? I'd like to discuss this with you, so expect an evemail tonight if that's alright.
Ellaine TashMurkon	Posted - 2006.07.13 11:58:00 - [14] Wooo, grat idea, so if its legal, I'll write my own version :)
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon Wooo, grat idea, so if its legal, I'll write my own version :) If allowed, I will release my version for everybody, so don't bother :-P
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Ur Dirac Edited by: Ur Dirac on 13/07/2006 11:55:01 BigPic, this is an interesting idea, do you check your evemail or is this just a no-name alt? I'd like to discuss this with you, so expect an evemail tonight if that's alright. I was planning on if it was legal, releaseing my version for everybody, this is the character that would monitor/administer in that case, so yah, I monitor this character (but no it is not my main)
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:28:00 - [17] Originally by: MrCue Edited by: MrCue on 13/07/2006 11:09:35 I know of several corps also that use this, and indeed looked into it myself. In essence, all you are really doing is removing the need to "Show Info" on all the people in local. If anything, surley you are doing CCP a favour by removing some of the pointless server load created by 2 (or more) fleets checking info on each other. An official response would be nice (infact, i dont know why CCP hasnt implemented this already, it is unbeliveably simple.) That was what I was under the impression of, it redueces server drag on haveing to generate these pictures on a one on one basis, and makes the local chat useful for telling at a glance if it is a friendly or not, basically the "Show Info" info without haveing to open a page for everyone that warps in the system.
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Panzer Klien Edited by: Panzer Klien on 13/07/2006 10:46:24 Edited by: Panzer Klien on 13/07/2006 10:45:11 Goonfleet asked a CCP Employee, someone who ranks above the volunteer forum mods and they said it was fine and dandy in that it can't be detected and they don't really care.. Everytime someone brings this up a goon alt posts the email and the thread gets locked for disclosing private communications. Ah, that would probably explain why I remember reading it somewhere, but was unable to find it again :-P
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 19:35:00 - [19] I have been told a number of people have been banned for using this. It was posted a while back in General Discussion, and immediately branded an exploit and the thread locked. The advantage such a tool gives is extremely obvious, and unfair to anyone not using it. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
MrCue	Posted - 2006.07.13 19:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Dark Shikari The advantage such a tool gives is extremely obvious, and unfair to anyone not using it. Hence the reason CCP should have introduced something so SIMPLE a long time ago as a standard feature. Killmail Database
Justin Thyme	Posted - 2006.07.13 19:52:00 - [21] Edited by: Justin Thyme on 13/07/2006 19:55:44 Originally by: Dark Shikari The advantage such a tool gives is extremely obvious, and unfair to anyone not using it. I agree. I also agree with previous posters who sudgested that CCP actualy add it into the game. It should help with lag as was mentioned earlier. 20 ships not checking the info page would be a big help. It would be a great feature. I'm changeing over to a Low sec corp. And I really would like it if I didn't get blown up cause someone didn't recognise my name and was to tired to check my info. "Hunting rats is like minning for scrap metal... and occationaly striking gold" -- Justin Thyme I don't shoot people. That would be wrong. I do however shoot Ore Thieves. -- Justin Thyme
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.14 02:42:00 - [22] Originally by: MrCue Originally by: Dark Shikari The advantage such a tool gives is extremely obvious, and unfair to anyone not using it. Hence the reason CCP should have introduced something so SIMPLE a long time ago as a standard feature. I can attest to its ease of use myself, haveing written a bascally working version if about 2 hours, and was currently just tweaking the code a little/makeing the pictures needed for the templates. I then got scared and removed it from my eve client until I got a ruleing on this from CCP.
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.14 02:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Justin Thyme Edited by: Justin Thyme on 13/07/2006 19:55:44 Originally by: Dark Shikari The advantage such a tool gives is extremely obvious, and unfair to anyone not using it. I agree. I also agree with previous posters who sudgested that CCP actualy add it into the game. It should help with lag as was mentioned earlier. 20 ships not checking the info page would be a big help. It would be a great feature. I'm changeing over to a Low sec corp. And I really would like it if I didn't get blown up cause someone didn't recognise my name and was to tired to check my info. I agree that this should be implemented, but rather than just complaining about it, I am willing to write the code needed to fix the problem. It currently is just to clunky a interface to have to right click everyone's portrait and show info for everybody who warps into the system. This sort of thing is easy to impliment, however I can kinda see if from CCP's viewpoint, if they release it they have to support it when it breaks kind of issue, and they would have to host all the different alliances that wanted to do that. I am offering to release the code and support it myself, alliance's that use it would have to find their own server space, problem solved. Embarisingly simple to impliment for them, all they need to do is say yes.
Cathandra	Posted - 2006.07.14 04:32:00 - [24] CCP please build this into the client and make it standard!
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.14 18:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari I have been told a number of people have been banned for using this. It was posted a while back in General Discussion, and immediately branded an exploit and the thread locked. The advantage such a tool gives is extremely obvious, and unfair to anyone not using it. It probably is technically considered an "Exploit", but who was banned? The impression that I get is that several alliances use this kind of thing currently, thus begging the question is it an "Exploit" that CCP actually cares about? That is my real question, am I ACTUALLY (not supposed-to-be) going to get banned for this?
Belinda HwaFang Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.15 10:48:00 - [26] An interesting thread. I'm not an EVE EULA / CCP Politics expert but my initial reaction is that using such a program will be considered an exploit because: a) it relies on a 3rd party piece of software running while you run the game b) it modifies the way the game is played c) You get an advantage over other players (actually the weakest of the 3 reasons imo) -- On the other hand you don't (from the information you gave us) display any information that isn't already available in the game, you just cut down the clicking to get to it. Local Chat is rather important, and I think the UI around it needs some work. Have you tried creating a GM request through eve-online and attaching your source code? It might inspire CCP to integrate it (or something similar). -- Given that CCP isn't using scanning software to scan what you are running on your computer, and given that you are not getting information that is not already available just a bit (undetectably?) faster, I really can't see how CCP will detect and punish abusers of this software. I leave it to your conscience. -- Belinda HwaFang [IEND] Infinity's End
Prestis	Posted - 2006.07.15 11:08:00 - [27] Yes, in a low-pop 0.0 system it's really just saving you a couple of mouse clicks, but in empire wars, say in Jita, it's an enourmous advantage. Scrolling down a list of 300+ people and getting an exact hostile count at a glance is such an advantage over going blind or trying to Show Info on hundreds of (rapidly changing) people that your war gang would be crippled without it. Hopefully more people start using it and it forces whole local chat issue.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.15 12:51:00 - [28] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/07/2006 12:51:02 I hope everyone that uses such an ap get permanantly banned. Team Minmatar
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 13:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/07/2006 12:51:02 I hope everyone that uses such an ap get permanantly banned. Agree. CCP are on record as stating they don't want local to be an intel gathering tool - and that is exactly what this modification makes it. CCP need to start occasional client integrity checks. If people know they are looking for it, maybe they won't flaunt the rules so blatantly. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Johnny Interface	Posted - 2006.07.15 14:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/07/2006 12:51:02 I hope everyone that uses such an ap get permanantly banned. Agree. CCP are on record as stating they don't want local to be an intel gathering tool - and that is exactly what this modification makes it. I don't know the first thing about this script but I use Local as an Intel gathering tool ALL the time. In fact it's probably the only reason I keep the Local window up at all times in the first place. I also know that others are doing the same with regard to me. If CCP really want to forbid you to know which pirates are operating in your system just by looking at local (and for the pirates to see their prey enter the system in the same way, they should remove the ability to show portraits (channel list) for Local.
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.07.15 15:15:00 - [31] Edited by: MrCue on 15/07/2006 15:17:14 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/07/2006 12:51:02 I hope everyone that uses such an ap get permanantly banned. Agree. CCP are on record as stating they don't want local to be an intel gathering tool - and that is exactly what this modification makes it. So they should ban everyone who adds the hostiles to their address book too, because this modification and adding people to your address book are almost exactly the same (Both alter the images in local). EXCEPT, adding hundreds of people to your address book once again causes more server load, whereas this modification doesnt. CCP really do need to implement this, or at least the ability to have a coloured square over a portrait based on standings. But again, one causes more load, the other doesnt. Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Killmail Database
Alassra Eventide Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.15 15:17:00 - [32] They could just redefine local to only show portraits when someone has talked, like in alliance chat.
Krystian Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 16:07:00 - [33] Intel gatherers will just use the 'buddylist' to see who is hostile in local from a glance anyway. An official nod from CCP that they will implement this in future patch would be wonderfull. I think its great, no more constant wasting time searching local or lagging your computer out as a 'login' server using huge buddylist. EVERY alliance does this, you dont check local if you pvp your either dead/lucky or going to get your corpmates killed do to bad scouting. So why not make it a tad easier? __________________________________________________
Longitude eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:30:00 - [34] Originally by: MrCue Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Well so can Corp/alliance chat channels
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Longitude Originally by: MrCue Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Well so can Corp/alliance chat channels True, so i guess everyone with a corp chat open better be banned to. Killmail Database
mazzilliu Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:27:00 - [36] i think it's a great idea but that's what i use my addressbook for, anyone without a green box in local is an unfriendly. anyone else who has to keep track of a more complicated system of friendlies and unfriendlies would probably want to use that program more. personally i think that CCP should address this issue by integrating this feature into the client or alter local so this issue is no longer relevant. one thing i like so much about EVE is the lack of inneffective "anti cheat" programs like gameguard and all the problems and inconvenence it causes. also i dont think that banning the people that use the program is really a constructive or permanent solution. ---------
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:37:00 - [37] Edited by: TheBigPic on 15/07/2006 18:37:24 Originally by: Belinda HwaFang a) it relies on a 3rd party piece of software running while you run the game Just a quick point of clairification, as I stated in my first post, this program would completely terminate before EVE starts, all it really does is download a list, and copy files according to that list, then terminate, im not talking about a program that can hack the server. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang b) it modifies the way the game is played As stated by some of the other posters above, adding all your hostiles to your address book (A horibly server laggy solution, but unfortuneatly the best one right now), or haveing someone from your corp watch local for you and just shout out on a TS/Vent server who is hostile, or even just right clicking and showing info on everyone that comes into the system "Modifies the way the game is played" I am talking about releaseing this code for everyone, thus removeing the basic in-equality of said modification. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang c) You get an advantage over other players (actually the weakest of the 3 reasons imo) The same advantage as the methods mentioned above, just done easier. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang On the other hand you don't (from the information you gave us) display any information that isn't already available in the game, you just cut down the clicking to get to it. Local Chat is rather important, and I think the UI around it needs some work. I Agree. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang Have you tried creating a GM request through eve-online and attaching your source code? It might inspire CCP to integrate it (or something similar). No I have not, mainly cuz I don't consider the code complete enuf to submit to anyone yet, just had this legal issue come up while I was in the middle of writeing it, and decided to stop. Originally by: Belinda HwaFang Given that CCP isn't using scanning software to scan what you are running on your computer, and given that you are not getting information that is not already available just a bit (undetectably?) faster, I really can't see how CCP will detect and punish abusers of this software. I leave it to your conscience. My Conscience says I that I need to run this by CCP first
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:57:00 - [38] Originally by: MrCue Edited by: MrCue on 15/07/2006 15:17:14 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/07/2006 12:51:02 I hope everyone that uses such an ap get permanantly banned. Agree. CCP are on record as stating they don't want local to be an intel gathering tool - and that is exactly what this modification makes it. So they should ban everyone who adds the hostiles to their address book too, because this modification and adding people to your address book are almost exactly the same (Both alter the images in local). EXCEPT, adding hundreds of people to your address book once again causes more server load, whereas this modification doesnt. CCP really do need to implement this, or at least the ability to have a coloured square over a portrait based on standings. But again, one causes more load, the other doesnt. Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Originally by: Krystian Intel gatherers will just use the 'buddylist' to see who is hostile in local from a glance anyway. An official nod from CCP that they will implement this in future patch would be wonderfull. I think its great, no more constant wasting time searching local or lagging your computer out as a 'login' server using huge buddylist. EVERY alliance does this, you dont check local if you pvp your either dead/lucky or going to get your corpmates killed do to bad scouting. So why not make it a tad easier? Originally by: Longitude Originally by: MrCue Better ban all the Teamspeak users too, because they can give intel on a local your not even in yet. Well so can Corp/alliance chat channels All Very good posts that basically make the same point, this data is already available, this is just gathered in an easier way
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.15 19:02:00 - [39] Originally by: mazzilliu i think it's a great idea but that's what i use my addressbook for, anyone without a green box in local is an unfriendly. anyone else who has to keep track of a more complicated system of friendlies and unfriendlies would probably want to use that program more. personally i think that CCP should address this issue by integrating this feature into the client or alter local so this issue is no longer relevant. one thing i like so much about EVE is the lack of inneffective "anti cheat" programs like gameguard and all the problems and inconvenence it causes. also i dont think that banning the people that use the program is really a constructive or permanent solution. I currently use the addressbook method also, however I also use it for allince people and others of a freindly nature also. While I can remember most of them as whether or not they are freindly, the fact that I don't remember them all makes it so that I still have to right click the ones I can't remember and show info, thus makeing a repeated server load issue.
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:01:00 - [40] I can't believe how many people are condoning this. If CCP make it part of the game, fine. Until then, anyone found using it should be banned. Oh, and as to CCP giving it the nod as previously hinted, this I understand is untrue. This is an EULA violation, it is a cheat. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ur Dirac Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:50:00 - [41] This is a really spiffy idea.
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Avon I can't believe how many people are condoning this. This is an EULA violation, it is a cheat. Oh yes, i forgot. Anything wich reduces lag is a cheat. How silly of me. Did you actualy bother to read any of this thread? Everything this does can already be done with ingame methods. they just create LAG and lots of it. Killmail Database
Belinda HwaFang Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.15 23:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Belinda HwaFang on 15/07/2006 23:40:51 Originally by: Avon I can't believe how many people are condoning this. If CCP make it part of the game, fine. Actually I didn't see many people condoning it at all. Someone has posted about hypothetical scripts which can make the human addressbook/local detective techniques that many of us use (myself included) more streamlined in terms of results and server lag. We are discussing this, and many players are highlighting the grey area that this part of the game is in right now. On the very first day I played EVE I noticed I could use my addressbook to track players logging on and off. Useful I thought. 2 days later I was podded by a griefer sitting in a crow at a gate. What was the first thing I thought to do? Add him to the addressbook in my "Griefers" category. Both to keep a grudge list, and to see when he is online/offline. CCP need to be decisive on this matter, both to point the way forward in terms of gameplay and to keep server communication to a minimum. As for people using such scripts, I don't think has a big impact on what is already being done by most of us using the mechanics provided by the game. Certainly for someone like me who is not in a complex alliance/corporate war situation, at least. I can't speak for the rest of you. -- Belinda HwaFang [IEND] Infinity's End
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.16 03:10:00 - [44] Edited by: TheBigPic on 16/07/2006 03:13:27 Originally by: Avon I can't believe how many people are condoning this. If CCP make it part of the game, fine. Until then, anyone found using it should be banned. Oh, and as to CCP giving it the nod as previously hinted, this I understand is untrue. This is an EULA violation, it is a cheat. Condone what? Adding this to the game or standing asside and letting someone else who already has a working version write it for them? If this was about breaking the EULA and just doing what I wanted, I wouldn't have posted about it on the forums. This was about getting approval from CCP about it, or possibly them saying they are working on it already and to just wait for the patch. As far the "nod" mentioned, I had heard of it before I posted this, and I am fairly sure that they can't detect this, and that I could have just gone on a done it and gotten away with it. But that doesn't solve the root issue here. There is nothing wrong with asking questions like this, so please tone down the ban everybody rhetoric.
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.17 00:01:00 - [45] /bump I hope to get a responce to this from CCP, this is a constructive post, and deserve's some sort of answer even if it is just "No"
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.19 02:43:00 - [46] /bump
TheBigPic	Posted - 2006.07.22 03:37:00 - [47] Originally by: TheBigPic /bump I hope to get a responce to this from CCP, this is a constructive post, and deserve's some sort of answer even if it is just "No" /bump
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 07:11:00 - [48] I guess you missed the mention of portrait swapping on EveTV? They spoke about Remedial's changed portrait, and then stopped themselves, stating they couldn't talk about it because it is an exploit. The Dev on the couch seemed in agreement. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Prestis	Posted - 2006.07.22 07:29:00 - [49] So what if someone takes this a step further and adds a plug-in to monitor local and flash up a "HOSTILES IN SYSTEM! LOG OR SAFESPOT NOW!" message whenever a low-sec or enemy pilot jumps in? Would that be good for EVE? How would PvP even happen?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:38:00 - [50] The only way to get your answer is by asking a GM via petition. I don't know why you're even asking for one tho, it could hardly be more obvious then it already is. It's an exploit to adapt the game client in any way, that includes swapping portraits, models and even the changing of textures of ships that only you yourself would ever get to see. The reason the whole of goonfleet is not yet banned is because CCP can't prove what you're doing as long as the changes to your client aren't communicated to the server. I'm going to go out o0n a limb and guess that that's the part CCP's is working on atm, or planning to start on sometime not too distant. We've seen far too many examples of ****ty cheats lately. It's what you get when you let inferior players join a game once it becomes more popular. Old blog
Ellaine TashMurkon Em Pack HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.22 09:18:00 - [51] Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 22/07/2006 09:21:12 I have created a "trial" and made a screenshot, then I petitioned if its legal, and got answer; -its not legal, it breaks EULA point about modifying client environment and there is no exception. -they may create something like that in mainstream game in future. Wait for it, not brek EULA. (I hope I wont get banned for publication of private comunication, I think thoe statements are better known to public then not).
Maya Rkell Corsets and Carebears	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:52:00 - [52] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 22/07/2006 11:53:39 If CCP dosn't like this, there are technical ways round this. For example, checking random samples of your cache's portraits, and if any checksum incorrectly, purging the portrait list and reloading. This would also force refreshes when someone on your list paid to alter their portrait. No need to ban anyone. (And corrupted images and paid altered images mean that you can't really take action for cache alterations to portraits..it's impossible to be sure via an automated hash check if it was intended or not and uploading the image from someones hard disk is legaly problematic)
DeckardIRL Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:13:00 - [53] If Goons are using this then it should be released to everyone. I can't believe BoB aren't using it already.... There are no drawbacks to using this software, it just adds intelligence (in both senses) to local. The buddy list is nothing of the sort and is a laggy waste of time, something sensible needs to be done to sort it and this idea does what is needed. CCP should state that they are going to make this change anyway. It has been asked for many times in the forums before. Deckard ______________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud.....
Zakgram Apocalyptic Raiders	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:48:00 - [54] Edited by: Zakgram on 25/07/2006 11:48:08 Originally by: Avon I guess you missed the mention of portrait swapping on EveTV? They spoke about Remedial's changed portrait, and then stopped themselves, stating they couldn't talk about it because it is an exploit. The Dev on the couch seemed in agreement. I missed it; do you have more info? By that I mean - what was said?

Saucerhead	Posted - 2006.07.25 12:34:00 - [55] Sorry, but while indeed it is very useful idea and one that would be nice to have in game, current stance is that it is not allowed and considered both exploit (because you're getting unfair advantage) and EULA violation (because you're changing local client files). So don't do it as you will get banned from the game when caught. I have no choice but to lock this thread. -- Read the Rules!


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