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SS Vegito
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:50:00 -
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1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
Unless you spent the month training BS 5 a raven with 5 power diags beats a scorp with 4 last I looked.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:58:00 -
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:01:00 -
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1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
Unless you spent the month training BS 5 a raven with 5 power diags beats a scorp with 4 last I looked.
Battleship lvl 4 is enough for that. But I doubt anyone whould use only powerdiags in the low slots...
And I do believe that a Tempest pilot with enough skill points and good equipment can win that 1vs1 against a Raven.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
SS Vegito
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:05:00 -
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
Am I god too since my raven has all that too?
And dal see stav does what I do so thts two people who fill the lows with power diags 
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:08:00 -
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power diags are quite simply, the best low slot modules in the game.
Who needs to put anything else in their ravens low bits?
Nubs thats who ¼_¼
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 03/10/2003 00:32:30
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
Though I'm not going to test it against you on the live server, you won't convince me that a raven would win.
Expected setups:
Raven running 6 launchers with FoF, running 4 hardeners and 1 shield booster. Can't run the 2 other hi slots since it's jammed and can't run it's scrambler for the same reason.
Scorpion running 4 launchers with torpedos and 2 projectile guns. Also running 3 ECM's, 1 scrambler, 3 hardeners and 1 shield booster.
While the Scorpion can't use as much cap for shield boosting(because of lesser cap recharge rate and using cap for it's EW), the Scorpion will do more than enough more damage to make up for that.
If the scorpion is using 4 multis, it would maybe turn out with the Raven winning.
The situation is kinda the same between a Raven and a Tempest. Very hard to tell how the extra damage the Tempest can deal will work out against the one extra med slots on the Raven.
*edit* Well, maybe you use 2 shield boosters. As you understand, I'm not using a Raven. But I'd be very happy if I could be convinced it's the best ship, since I really like it...
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:28:00 -
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power diags are quite simply, the best low slot modules in the game.
Who needs to put anything else in their ravens low bits?
Some possible suggestions: ECCMs, cap relays, 1600mm armors.
Though I'm very aware of how effective it is to only use power diags on a Raven.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:29:00 -
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1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
Unless you spent the month training BS 5 a raven with 5 power diags beats a scorp with 4 last I looked.
Battleship lvl 4 is enough for that. But I doubt anyone whould use only powerdiags in the low slots...
And I do believe that a Tempest pilot with enough skill points and good equipment can win that 1vs1 against a Raven.
It wouldn't be a fight I'd be comfortable fighting. It'd be a very noisy and insanely chaotic fight with the Raven throwing torpedos all over the place and the Tempest doing the same. Tempest would have the advantage of the 4 guns (which I'd use 1400mm for) not destroying its shots with splash damage.
Stavros' Raven as described would have the advantage in a tremendous amount of damage required simply to overpower his shields and how fast he could replace them. Guess it'd all come down to who could pilot the best while getting kicked around the solar system, half blind from all the torpedo explosions 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:31:00 -
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Seeing as we are using custom 1vs1 setups, ill put 2 large smartbombs in my top slots.
I win....
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SS Vegito
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:33:00 -
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
Though I'm not going to test it against you on the live server, you won't convince me that a raven would win.
Expected setups:
Raven running 6 launchers with FoF, running 4 hardeners and 1 shield booster. Can't run the 2 other hi slots since it's jammed and can't run it's scrambler for the same reason.
Scorpion running 4 launchers with torpedos and 2 projectile guns. Also running 3 ECM's, 1 scrambler, 3 hardeners and 1 shield booster.
While the Scorpion can't use as much cap for shield boosting(because of lesser cap recharge rate and using cap for it's EW), the Scorpion will do more than enough more damage to make up for that.
If the scorpion is using 4 multis, it would maybe turn out with the Raven winning.
The situation is kinda the same between a Raven and a Tempest. Very hard to tell how the extra damage the Tempest can deal will work out against the one extra med slots on the Raven.
Since you wont fight and prove your point you lose.
Anyway Ive fought a scorp like you said.We didnt goto the death but I still was winning before we stopped.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:37:00 -
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Seeing as we are using custom 1vs1 setups, ill put 2 large smartbombs in my top slots.
I win....
And blow up your own missiles? And increase your cap usage very much and leave less cap for defence?
Btw, wanna buy my large Vehemence 1 smartbomb? 300 EM damage every 10 seconds(minus skill).
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:39:00 -
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raven > scorpion in 1vs1... plain and simple..
ill get jim to kick your ass on chaos some time.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:41:00 -
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the tempest setup with 2 power diags, and 5 cap relays, with projectiles, and missles (no cap either) + shields + hardeners also makes for a tought opponent...
although you do have a point 7 power diags, would also be nice..
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:42:00 -
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In my scoprion, vs stav's raven, here are the possible outcomes:
stav runs away.
stalemate due to hardeners and sb.
stav dies.
#1 pvp battleship in a 1v1?
scorpion, then raven.
and, as much as stavy(and jimbo/followers will come running to his aide any time now) thinks he is good at eve, he forgets to mention, that he doesn't play. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:44:00 -
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Seeing as we are using custom 1vs1 setups, ill put 2 large smartbombs in my top slots.
I win....
Bah...that's what was driving me scatty. With all you mid slots in shield boosters how would you keep a Tempest in smartie range for them to do damage?
You could give up 1 shield booster for a webifier, but then just natural speed keeps the Tempest away. And pooches you if they drop a simple AB in there. Could toss in a mwd, but that does all sorts of nasty stuff to shield cap and cap recharge. Plus the loss of another shield booster.
Bah...hate theorizing. Too easy to fly in circles.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:54:00 -
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Since you wont fight and prove your point you lose.
Anyway Ive fought a scorp like you said.We didnt goto the death but I still was winning before we stopped.
And the scorp was using 4 power diags? May be a bit surprising if he doesn't. A scorp could be fitting some armor upgrades, giving you 10.000 armor to knock out too... It would require 71 explosive FoF cruise missiles to take out that, and it would take you 2 minutes to fire them. And the fact that he would alway boost up his shield a little now and then, resulting in many of your missiles facing some 60% shield resistance. So even after the Scorpions shield is gone, it would take maybe 3 minutes for you to get through his armor.
Yea... the fight isn't realistic and due to the "log out and save your ship" it wouldn't end with the destruction of a ship.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 01:01:00 -
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Bah...hate theorizing. Too easy to fly in circles.
True. Just realize that there are no perfect ship or setup that will win every 1vs1. The Raven certainly is a good ship for 1vs1. But with a really good setup for 1vs1, you'll be dead when the opponents friends suddenly show up
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.10.03 03:20:00 -
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I think the Raven is pretty unbeatable in 1v1 if you know how to equip it. Certainly a Raven can make a total joke out of any laser user very easily with the right setup so I can say with confidence that laser users suck in 1v1 combat.
If a Scorpion locks down a Raven, the Raven can still fight back with FOF missles, but he can't warpscramble the Scorpion, so Scorpion should get away, so it's kind of a draw.
I'd say overall Scorpion is a better 1v1 ship than a Raven.. but Raven is by far a better ship. For a Scorpion to be super effective (target jam), he basically can't run shield hardeners.. no shield hardeners means a very fast death if a second person shows up.
Overall, a Raven can take a bigger beating, my Raven setup has 7007 shields 4770 armor and 4770 structure, that really isn't bad at all.
If I ever came across a 1600mm armor upgrade I might use it though.
Anyways here's my order:
1. Scorpion
2. Raven
3. Tempest
4. Apocolypse
5. Dominix
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.10.03 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 03/10/2003 03:29:09
Oh, and for people who say Scorpion has no firepower, trust me, 4 launchers unload torpedoes on you hurts. :)
Also with my skills:
Raven shields with 5 power diags = 7007
Scorpion shields with 4 power diags = 7148
Not exactly a huge difference, considering the armor/structure on the Raven is a lot better.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.03 03:29:00 -
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I fear no BS in my mighty kestrel!
I feel the same way. I work my arse off to get a BS, then I realise I had my ideal ship back in week one. 
When it comes to BSs, like everything else in Eve, we have a huge game of rock/paper/scissors. Scorpion may be able to easily lock a ship down, but the tempest has enough med slots to lock a scorpion down, and targets much faster. The worst ship/setup you could go against completely depends on the ship/setup you currently have. Skills too. Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.03 04:28:00 -
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no argument nessecery: scorp.
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Lord Azraiel
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Posted - 2003.10.03 06:46:00 -
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#1 Facin down my tempest with all its guns blazing from max range 
#2 My corp mate's megathron
#3 Another tempest
#4 A dominix with 10 heavy drones, and a lot more in its belly.
#5 blank
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sphendar
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Posted - 2003.10.03 07:25:00 -
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Jove Battleship with tech lvl 5 weapons wins overall :P
HHHHMMMMM how much are those going for on Ebay?
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.10.03 08:52:00 -
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I think the conclusion is that I spend hours changing my scorp setup to try and get an optimal.
If CCP would give me 2 more highs and 4 more lows then I would sleep easy knowing I have the best ship in the game ha ha . As they wont ill keep playing with endless changes and still run across a ship ive not accounted for ha ha. To much choice is often as bad as none at all!
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:32:00 -
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Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
Then you're doing something very wrong.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 03/10/2003 12:42:24
jash I was saying about the bombs to take care of enemy missiles, nothing more.
Since large bombs kill incoming missiles in one hit, and you have two.
That would give raven a pretty nice edge methinkies.
The scorp as far as i am concerned is still rather b0rk in that it is clearly on a much higher level than all the other level 1 bships and arguably better than a lot of the tier 2 bships, and no this is not down to player skill.
Homo is prolly correct however, a 1vs1 between scorp and raven would prolly result in a stalemate, if the ships were specifically built for the 1vs1. However since the aim of the game is to kill people and since most people dont carry around 1vs1 specfic setups, I still feel that your average raven will beat your average scorpion in game atm. TomB did mention however that electronics warfare has yet to be balanced as a whole and that new defensive modules are incoming soon, so who knows.
Just for the record homo, if you hate ravens so much why were u flying one in curse when u got ganked?
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:45:00 -
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I am god.
oh ok.... 
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:46:00 -
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non believer!!!
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.03 13:39:00 -
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Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
Then you're doing something very wrong.
Live some weeks in 'Carebaerland' and you know why he is right
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.03 13:44:00 -
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non believer!!!
Its hard to take you seriously with a shining nose in your sig ;)
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