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Lord Apophis
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:23:00 -
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Just a poll, to satisfy my odd curiosity.
Name your top 5 most feared Battleships in order, and why. (if you feel like extra credit)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:25:00 -
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Scorpion all the way.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
s0cks
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:26:00 -
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Vigil
no wait...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:27:00 -
[4]
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Vigil
no wait...
Are you mining that ark in a Vigil?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:28:00 -
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1.Tempest
Don't fear any else for a 1vs1. If they are 2 or more you can add:
2. Apocalypse
3. Megathron
4. Scorp
5. Raven
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Valheru
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:31:00 -
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Tempest? How do you figure?
Valheru
Sovereigns
Valheru
Colonel
Sovereigns |
sutty
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:36:00 -
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lol scorp wins hands down.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:39:00 -
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Tempest? How do you figure?
Valheru
Sovereigns
Which ship you fear depends very much on which ship you're in yourself. And what modules/skillpoints you have...
I'm not gonna give away my setup
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Li Tai
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:39:00 -
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Raven kicks you all with torps and Cruisemissiles...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:41:00 -
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Quote:
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Tempest? How do you figure?
Valheru
Sovereigns
Which ship you fear depends very much on which ship you're in yourself. And what modules/skillpoints you have...
I'm not gonna give away my setup
Having thought about it, I'm thinking I might have the same setup 
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:49:00 -
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Tempest can actually be pretty mean...
Scorpion, as ive always said, is not to be feared as a killer... It can make anybody impotent, but it cant necessarily kill them.
"Fear" would have to go to a well-arranged Raven... Apoc if i was being dumb.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:51:00 -
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Tempest can actually be pretty mean...
Scorpion, as ive always said, is not to be feared as a killer... It can make anybody impotent, but it cant necessarily kill them.
"Fear" would have to go to a well-arranged Raven... Apoc if i was being dumb.
Well-arranged and well-piloted.
Takes a bit of skill to time the missiles so they don't explode each other up.
Go Caldari!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Xen0
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:10:00 -
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Jove Battleship with tech lvl 5 weapons wins overall :P
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:12:00 -
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Megathron.
Scary just because I keep bumping into the bastards whenever I leave a station.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:12:00 -
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I fear no BS in my mighty kestrel!
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:22:00 -
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#1 CONCORD Battleship
#2 Jovian Battleship
#3-5 All the rest |
Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:23:00 -
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I personally cant imagine a megathron being fear inducing. I will pilot one as my skills have sent me down that path, but currently I would think the fear factor has the Raven on top because of the shear number of missiles, Apoc second because of the uber tachyons, then tempest because with a good setup it pwns.
Whats so special about a megathron? 425's are crap, its drone bay is nothing special, and it has two missile hard points. It sure does look pretty though.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
nails
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:28:00 -
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#1 bantam
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:29:00 -
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1 Raven
2 Scorpion
all other is maybe good for mining or good looking
Anyway the Caldari ships are the best
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CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:30:00 -
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There are only 8 battleships, why make a list of the top 5?
1. Apocalypse 8 mining lasers
2. Armageddon 7 mining lasers 
3. Megathron 7 mining lasers
4. Tempest 6 mining lasers 
5. Dominix 6 mining lasers
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:36:00 -
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There are only 8 battleships, why make a list of the top 5?
1. Apocalypse 8 mining lasers
2. Armageddon 7 mining lasers
3. Megathron 7 mining lasers
4. Tempest 6 mining lasers
5. Dominix 6 mining lasers
ROFL
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CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:37:00 -
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ok remember I am always right...
Battleships to run from 1vs1, scorpion, raven...
Unless u outnumber them, fighting is dumb...
Everything else I will cook u good.
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Smith
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:40:00 -
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1. Raven - Dishes out a lot of pain.
2. Scorpion - Should have called it the spider.
3. Apocalypse - Like being hit by Mike Tyson.
4. Tempest - Unknown quantity.
5. Armageddon - Surprisingly punchy like its big bro.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:43:00 -
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lol Stav, didn't you say the Raven was a piece of Caldari crap after you lost your Raven?
Well all lvl 2 battleships are good. As long as you "know yourself and your enemy". Someone who don't can have his ass handed to him by a "useless armageddon".
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:47:00 -
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Raven for killing me, Scorpion for making me sit there for hours unable to do anything 
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:47:00 -
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#1: Tempest.
It has the most versitility, and since you can not know what to expect, fear it.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:48:00 -
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no, I said it was a piece of crap in fleet battles. 1vs1 its best ship in game.
We live and learn I suppose but I'll teach you something for free...
Raven has insane shields and launchers, even if its jammed down, u just switch to cruise fof missiles and own your opponent in a 1vs1. Its just purely unbeatable.
However in a fleet battle, missiles are slow to deal damage and thus kill enemy ships (compared to guns that is) also they havee a tendancy to get detonated off of everyone elses missiles resulting in you laying the smack down on a whole pile of nothing.
Scorpion is to be feared in 1vs1 simply cos its usually setup for jamming or tanked to **** with hardeners, either way its a tough cookie to ***** but still dies to raven.
Dominix is ok because its quite versatile, it can deal alot of damage and still jam u as well, but most people wont risk giving over 4/5 medium slots to jammers so they are usually ok to engage 1vs1.
Megathron is ****e, tempest is crap, typhoon is rubbish, arma is now nothing compared to apoc.
The simple fact is you can either rely on dealing damage faster than your opponent, tanking the crap out of yourself, or going for ew and jamming the ****e out of them.
Apoc, Raven, Scorp - anyone who flies anything else is a total nub and should just quit now basically. (Pls not being too poor to afford a decent bship is a rubbish excuse.)
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 02/10/2003 23:41:00
Some things I don't agree about.
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Raven has insane shields and launchers, even if its jammed down, u just switch to cruise fof missiles and own your opponent in a 1vs1. Its just purely unbeatable.
1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
2. The 4 launchers with torps on a scorpion will outdamage the 6 launchers with FoF missiles on a Raven.
So I bet a Scorpion would win that 1vs1.
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Megathron is ****e, tempest is crap, typhoon is rubbish, arma is now nothing compared to apoc.
Well, the mega is only bad because the tracking speed on large blasters still is too low.
The arma shouldn't be much compared to an Apoc. But there are still ways to use an arma pretty good.(though no reason to use it if you can afford to loose an apoc).
The Tempest should be feared because it doesn't use cap for it's weapons(and gives a great bonus to large projectiles). And with 5 med/6 lo it offers much versatility. Pretty much the same reasons as a Raven...
*edit* And yea, I know how missiles blow up each other in larger fights. It's enough with 2 missile users to start blowing up each others missiles before they reach the target.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 02/10/2003 23:41:43
my 3 ships are raven / scorpion / apoc
although the tempest can also be a very very lethal ship.. infact a well fitted tempest has the best chance out of all the other ships for living against a raven in 1on1 (although it still dies) (imho anyway)
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:43:00 -
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1. scorpion
2. scorpion
3. scorpion
4. scorpion
5. scorpion
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SS Vegito
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:50:00 -
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1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
Unless you spent the month training BS 5 a raven with 5 power diags beats a scorp with 4 last I looked.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:58:00 -
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:01:00 -
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1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
Unless you spent the month training BS 5 a raven with 5 power diags beats a scorp with 4 last I looked.
Battleship lvl 4 is enough for that. But I doubt anyone whould use only powerdiags in the low slots...
And I do believe that a Tempest pilot with enough skill points and good equipment can win that 1vs1 against a Raven.
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SS Vegito
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:05:00 -
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
Am I god too since my raven has all that too?
And dal see stav does what I do so thts two people who fill the lows with power diags
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:08:00 -
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power diags are quite simply, the best low slot modules in the game.
Who needs to put anything else in their ravens low bits?
Nubs thats who ¼_¼
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 03/10/2003 00:32:30
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
Though I'm not going to test it against you on the live server, you won't convince me that a raven would win.
Expected setups:
Raven running 6 launchers with FoF, running 4 hardeners and 1 shield booster. Can't run the 2 other hi slots since it's jammed and can't run it's scrambler for the same reason.
Scorpion running 4 launchers with torpedos and 2 projectile guns. Also running 3 ECM's, 1 scrambler, 3 hardeners and 1 shield booster.
While the Scorpion can't use as much cap for shield boosting(because of lesser cap recharge rate and using cap for it's EW), the Scorpion will do more than enough more damage to make up for that.
If the scorpion is using 4 multis, it would maybe turn out with the Raven winning.
The situation is kinda the same between a Raven and a Tempest. Very hard to tell how the extra damage the Tempest can deal will work out against the one extra med slots on the Raven.
*edit* Well, maybe you use 2 shield boosters. As you understand, I'm not using a Raven. But I'd be very happy if I could be convinced it's the best ship, since I really like it...
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:28:00 -
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power diags are quite simply, the best low slot modules in the game.
Who needs to put anything else in their ravens low bits?
Some possible suggestions: ECCMs, cap relays, 1600mm armors.
Though I'm very aware of how effective it is to only use power diags on a Raven.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:29:00 -
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Quote:
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1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
Unless you spent the month training BS 5 a raven with 5 power diags beats a scorp with 4 last I looked.
Battleship lvl 4 is enough for that. But I doubt anyone whould use only powerdiags in the low slots...
And I do believe that a Tempest pilot with enough skill points and good equipment can win that 1vs1 against a Raven.
It wouldn't be a fight I'd be comfortable fighting. It'd be a very noisy and insanely chaotic fight with the Raven throwing torpedos all over the place and the Tempest doing the same. Tempest would have the advantage of the 4 guns (which I'd use 1400mm for) not destroying its shots with splash damage.
Stavros' Raven as described would have the advantage in a tremendous amount of damage required simply to overpower his shields and how fast he could replace them. Guess it'd all come down to who could pilot the best while getting kicked around the solar system, half blind from all the torpedo explosions
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:31:00 -
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Seeing as we are using custom 1vs1 setups, ill put 2 large smartbombs in my top slots.
I win....
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SS Vegito
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:33:00 -
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
Though I'm not going to test it against you on the live server, you won't convince me that a raven would win.
Expected setups:
Raven running 6 launchers with FoF, running 4 hardeners and 1 shield booster. Can't run the 2 other hi slots since it's jammed and can't run it's scrambler for the same reason.
Scorpion running 4 launchers with torpedos and 2 projectile guns. Also running 3 ECM's, 1 scrambler, 3 hardeners and 1 shield booster.
While the Scorpion can't use as much cap for shield boosting(because of lesser cap recharge rate and using cap for it's EW), the Scorpion will do more than enough more damage to make up for that.
If the scorpion is using 4 multis, it would maybe turn out with the Raven winning.
The situation is kinda the same between a Raven and a Tempest. Very hard to tell how the extra damage the Tempest can deal will work out against the one extra med slots on the Raven.
Since you wont fight and prove your point you lose.
Anyway Ive fought a scorp like you said.We didnt goto the death but I still was winning before we stopped.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:37:00 -
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Seeing as we are using custom 1vs1 setups, ill put 2 large smartbombs in my top slots.
I win....
And blow up your own missiles? And increase your cap usage very much and leave less cap for defence?
Btw, wanna buy my large Vehemence 1 smartbomb? 300 EM damage every 10 seconds(minus skill).
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:39:00 -
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raven > scorpion in 1vs1... plain and simple..
ill get jim to kick your ass on chaos some time.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:41:00 -
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the tempest setup with 2 power diags, and 5 cap relays, with projectiles, and missles (no cap either) + shields + hardeners also makes for a tought opponent...
although you do have a point 7 power diags, would also be nice..
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:42:00 -
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In my scoprion, vs stav's raven, here are the possible outcomes:
stav runs away.
stalemate due to hardeners and sb.
stav dies.
#1 pvp battleship in a 1v1?
scorpion, then raven.
and, as much as stavy(and jimbo/followers will come running to his aide any time now) thinks he is good at eve, he forgets to mention, that he doesn't play. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:44:00 -
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Seeing as we are using custom 1vs1 setups, ill put 2 large smartbombs in my top slots.
I win....
Bah...that's what was driving me scatty. With all you mid slots in shield boosters how would you keep a Tempest in smartie range for them to do damage?
You could give up 1 shield booster for a webifier, but then just natural speed keeps the Tempest away. And pooches you if they drop a simple AB in there. Could toss in a mwd, but that does all sorts of nasty stuff to shield cap and cap recharge. Plus the loss of another shield booster.
Bah...hate theorizing. Too easy to fly in circles.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:54:00 -
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Since you wont fight and prove your point you lose.
Anyway Ive fought a scorp like you said.We didnt goto the death but I still was winning before we stopped.
And the scorp was using 4 power diags? May be a bit surprising if he doesn't. A scorp could be fitting some armor upgrades, giving you 10.000 armor to knock out too... It would require 71 explosive FoF cruise missiles to take out that, and it would take you 2 minutes to fire them. And the fact that he would alway boost up his shield a little now and then, resulting in many of your missiles facing some 60% shield resistance. So even after the Scorpions shield is gone, it would take maybe 3 minutes for you to get through his armor.
Yea... the fight isn't realistic and due to the "log out and save your ship" it wouldn't end with the destruction of a ship.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 01:01:00 -
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Bah...hate theorizing. Too easy to fly in circles.
True. Just realize that there are no perfect ship or setup that will win every 1vs1. The Raven certainly is a good ship for 1vs1. But with a really good setup for 1vs1, you'll be dead when the opponents friends suddenly show up
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.10.03 03:20:00 -
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I think the Raven is pretty unbeatable in 1v1 if you know how to equip it. Certainly a Raven can make a total joke out of any laser user very easily with the right setup so I can say with confidence that laser users suck in 1v1 combat.
If a Scorpion locks down a Raven, the Raven can still fight back with FOF missles, but he can't warpscramble the Scorpion, so Scorpion should get away, so it's kind of a draw.
I'd say overall Scorpion is a better 1v1 ship than a Raven.. but Raven is by far a better ship. For a Scorpion to be super effective (target jam), he basically can't run shield hardeners.. no shield hardeners means a very fast death if a second person shows up.
Overall, a Raven can take a bigger beating, my Raven setup has 7007 shields 4770 armor and 4770 structure, that really isn't bad at all.
If I ever came across a 1600mm armor upgrade I might use it though.
Anyways here's my order:
1. Scorpion
2. Raven
3. Tempest
4. Apocolypse
5. Dominix
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.10.03 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 03/10/2003 03:29:09
Oh, and for people who say Scorpion has no firepower, trust me, 4 launchers unload torpedoes on you hurts. :)
Also with my skills:
Raven shields with 5 power diags = 7007
Scorpion shields with 4 power diags = 7148
Not exactly a huge difference, considering the armor/structure on the Raven is a lot better.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.03 03:29:00 -
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I fear no BS in my mighty kestrel!
I feel the same way. I work my arse off to get a BS, then I realise I had my ideal ship back in week one. 
When it comes to BSs, like everything else in Eve, we have a huge game of rock/paper/scissors. Scorpion may be able to easily lock a ship down, but the tempest has enough med slots to lock a scorpion down, and targets much faster. The worst ship/setup you could go against completely depends on the ship/setup you currently have. Skills too. Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.03 04:28:00 -
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no argument nessecery: scorp.
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Lord Azraiel
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Posted - 2003.10.03 06:46:00 -
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#1 Facin down my tempest with all its guns blazing from max range
#2 My corp mate's megathron
#3 Another tempest
#4 A dominix with 10 heavy drones, and a lot more in its belly.
#5 blank
"I'm comin' for ya, and Hell's comin' with me!" |
sphendar
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Posted - 2003.10.03 07:25:00 -
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Jove Battleship with tech lvl 5 weapons wins overall :P
HHHHMMMMM how much are those going for on Ebay?
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.10.03 08:52:00 -
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I think the conclusion is that I spend hours changing my scorp setup to try and get an optimal.
If CCP would give me 2 more highs and 4 more lows then I would sleep easy knowing I have the best ship in the game ha ha . As they wont ill keep playing with endless changes and still run across a ship ive not accounted for ha ha. To much choice is often as bad as none at all!
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:32:00 -
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Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
Then you're doing something very wrong.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 03/10/2003 12:42:24
jash I was saying about the bombs to take care of enemy missiles, nothing more.
Since large bombs kill incoming missiles in one hit, and you have two.
That would give raven a pretty nice edge methinkies.
The scorp as far as i am concerned is still rather b0rk in that it is clearly on a much higher level than all the other level 1 bships and arguably better than a lot of the tier 2 bships, and no this is not down to player skill.
Homo is prolly correct however, a 1vs1 between scorp and raven would prolly result in a stalemate, if the ships were specifically built for the 1vs1. However since the aim of the game is to kill people and since most people dont carry around 1vs1 specfic setups, I still feel that your average raven will beat your average scorpion in game atm. TomB did mention however that electronics warfare has yet to be balanced as a whole and that new defensive modules are incoming soon, so who knows.
Just for the record homo, if you hate ravens so much why were u flying one in curse when u got ganked?
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:45:00 -
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I am god.
oh ok.... 
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:46:00 -
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non believer!!!
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.03 13:39:00 -
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Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
Then you're doing something very wrong.
Live some weeks in 'Carebaerland' and you know why he is right
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.03 13:44:00 -
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non believer!!!
Its hard to take you seriously with a shining nose in your sig ;)
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.10.03 13:57:00 -
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stav, show me where i said i hated the raven. i didn't.
oops, another instance of stav's mouth running, before his brain could compute what it was saying.
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:10:00 -
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1. Scorp, when i just bought my apoc i always right clicked a moon or planet to warp to in 0.0 space if some showed up.
2. Apoc, number 1 dmg dealer
3. Raven, best missle boat and nice midslots
4. dominix, good in both doing dmg as in doing ew support
5. Tempest, but not sure, since i heard it improved.. But havent fought one yet.
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minesweeper
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:21:00 -
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Just curious how a raven with all torpedoes handles a dominix or a megathron that sits at 1 km with neutron blasters and shield hardeners. Since the splash damage from the torpedos will hit themselves too :)
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 03/10/2003 15:02:25
mwd on the raven against short range opponents, same for scorpion.
Just mwd away from them, stay at 20-30km, laugh at pathetic blasters...
Easy.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:03:00 -
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non believer!!!
Its hard to take you seriously with a shining nose in your sig ;)
phear the shining snozzle!
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 03/10/2003 15:02:25
mwd on the raven against short range opponents, same for scorpion.
Just mwd away from them, stay at 20-30km, laugh at pathetic blasters...
Easy.
Except a short range opponent ALWAYS has a MWD/speed setup to close in on people (possibly a webifier)
PS. you should have said ph33r the shining schnozzle :)
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:38:00 -
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Sorry, my dog ate my l33t dictionary :(
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 16:13:00 -
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Just curious how a raven with all torpedoes handles a dominix or a megathron that sits at 1 km with neutron blasters and shield hardeners. Since the splash damage from the torpedos will hit themselves too :)
unless the mega has 3 webbifiers running it won't hit a thing at that range
And besides, all the missiles exploding will make it impossible to stay at that range
And also, the Mega/domi could say hello to the 2 energy neutralizers many Raven pilots has on... Blasters use too much cap. The mega would run out of cap before the Raven is dead. Sad but true.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.03 16:21:00 -
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Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
Then you're doing something very wrong.
Not necessarily. Large guns make frigates hard to hit, especially when they are orbiting you as close as possible. A griffin can easily warpjam/webify you while the kestrel is cruising you. If you ever come in to more 'secure' space, you have every carebear who has snapped and went psycho trying to take out anyone they can because their can got blown again.
Again, this depends completely on your setup, if you are not setup to deal maximum damage to a ship as big as you, you will probably have a harder time with BSs than frigates.
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Posted - 2003.10.03 16:25:00 -
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Sorry, but the Kestral just got Eaten by my Raven's 2 preators, 2 Wasps, and 2 ogres.
Sometimes to win, you have to fight just as mean and dirty as the other guy. Nobody will beat you challenging you to the field of honor for pistols at dawn. They have to slit your throat while you lay in bed, just like you'd do them. - Jash Illian |
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