The smaller corps who rely on rolling with caps unsupported are doing it because they lack the numbers, and isn't that fuelled by multibox greed? Can't they just recruit some newbros to fly subcap support like webbing ships? I don't see the argument here. EVE is meant to be primarily social experience. If you do decide to multibox and use a skeleton crew, shouldn't that be higher risk?

You are irrelevant.

The whole WH rolling thing is only about rebalancing stuff, lads.

stated goals.

you people keep saying that but are unable to come up with one example of what this means

why is this so difficult to do

It takes 4 characters with 100mn mwd battleships (and at least one of those need to know basic addition of numbers) two passes. Unless you are lazy and only willing to roll with orcas this change will have no real risk effect.. raptor navy should know better then the arguments presented above

Eh. Kite? Snipe? Something else creative? I am sure you guys have more doctrines than pure brawling. The killmail you link is exactly why this change is a good thing. Also have scouts so you know what you jump into so you dont jump a vigi into a t3 sitting and waiting.

Wormhole mass changes should remain implemented But the mas / spawn should be inverted. Light, fast ships spawn further. Heavier, slower ships spawn closer.

Currently the wormhole fight meta is heavier, armour ships on the hole. Inverting the spawn / mass distance could introduce a new playstyle of faster, kiting ships on wormholes as well as the heavy armour meta. It would also tie in with the new speedy, missile hole changes.

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[11:34:16] Xxx > o/
[11:34:17] Bleedingthrough > hey
[11:34:26] Bleedingthrough > are you a WH guy too?
[11:34:32] Xxx > part time
[11:34:36] Xxx > im a wh thief
[11:34:41] Xxx > i rob corporations
[11:34:42] Bleedingthrough > haha
[11:34:50] Xxx > ive stolen over 200 bil from them
[11:34:57] Xxx > prob close to 300
[11:35:19] Bleedingthrough > we had a corp thieve once
[11:35:26] Bleedingthrough > have your alts been that?
[11:36:09] Xxx > nah
[11:36:10] Bleedingthrough > so you hate the changes too?
[11:36:19] Xxx > mate
[11:36:33] Xxx > http://i.imgur.com/cXBudFN.jpg
[11:36:37] Xxx > this is a c4c4 wh
[11:36:40] Xxx > go ******* figure
[11:37:04] Xxx > you know how long it takes in a c4c4 to get a good exit
[11:37:05] Bleedingthrough > oh nice some free machs
[11:37:12] Xxx > and you have to use orca 3 rounds
[11:37:31] Xxx > its goddamn impossible to do now
[11:37:39] Xxx > you will lose several orcas every time
[11:37:43] Xxx > before you get exits
[11:37:51] Xxx > its ********
[11:37:56] Bleedingthrough > heheh
[11:38:01] Xxx > and if you wait you need to bring a ton of fuel in
[11:38:05] Bleedingthrough > so even the corp thieves hate this
[11:38:07] Xxx > no hole control against 33man corp
[11:38:29] Xxx > i won several hole control fights against 20 times bigger numbers
[11:38:31] Bleedingthrough > are you OK with me posting this convo on the forums?
[11:38:42] Xxx > if you ommit name
[11:38:51] Bleedingthrough > will do
[11:39:02] Bleedingthrough > this is epic.
[11:39:39] Xxx > its basic mechanics being broken
[11:41:28] Xxx > no sane person likes this
[11:41:36] Xxx > sure i can now camp highsec entrances
[11:41:44] Xxx > but its still ******* stupid
[11:41:57] Xxx > free kills dont warrant this kind of ****
[11:42:16] Xxx > not to mention the camp highsec entrances is still risk free
[11:42:27] Xxx > since a vigilant can sit on 0 and just scramweb everything
[11:42:38] Xxx > if something goes wrong jump out and you are safe
[11:42:54] Xxx > meanwhile CCP makes black holes kiting holes
[11:43:05] Xxx > but who cares when all kite ships still spawn on 0
[11:43:23] Xxx > if it was inverted like traiori proposed this would be a great change
[11:43:29] Xxx > now its just complete gabage
[11:44:38] Xxx > on the other hand plex prices will drop because so many WH guys will quit
[11:45:04] Xxx > almost none of them pays rl cash
[11:45:08] Xxx > and neither do i
[11:45:30] Xxx > i will never pay rl cash again considering how CCP is shitting on literally everything i do
[11:49:30] Bleedingthrough > thanks for sharing your thoughts
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How is "I can't roll holes solo / solo+alts anymore in safety" a valid rebuttal for these changes? Comments like these effectively reinforce CCP's attitude that people have been manipulating connections too easily.

I was on the rage bandwagon when it was announced