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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.08.12 05:46:00 -
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As part of one of the smaller groups in wormholespace who now are supposed to die in a fire and depression (according to everyone in this thread) I am a bit amazed about the arguments thrown out here.
I have solo closed wormholes in the face of two! hostile fleets. I can not fathom how anyone can call that good game mechanics. And the concept that you can isolate your system and farm in peace solo cap escalations in c5 and c6 space is to my mind at the border to gamebreaking.
I was at first divided on this subject. But right now I lean to heavily support this change. Not because its a good change. But because the status quo is worse.
And I really do hope that this change how everyone live in wormholespace. Because its needed.
You big corps and alliances. Ask yourself this. How many people in your corp/alliance are playing jabber online? Who only turn up for the pinged fights? Is that really good gameplay in your eyes?
For the smaller groups who enjoy pvp. C4 space are seeing a new purpose. Sure c5 has better isk, but you dont need to live there to harvest it. Open your eyes to the options these changes bring. The new dual statics literally come in all flavours. Are risk free farming really the winning point of why you live in wormholespace? Why you play this game?
So yes. I now support this change
~Bringer of happiness
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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.08.12 07:19:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:calaretu wrote:I have solo closed wormholes in the face of two! hostile fleets. I can not fathom how anyone can call that good game mechanics. if the alternative is your little corp not getting to do anything until the larger corp goes away? yes, I say it is good game mechanics as it allows small corps to continue looking for content when they cant interact with their current chain options.
But I could do it risk free. Their fleets wasnt on 0 on wormhole. Thats whats wrong imo. The risk free part. And its only in 5/6-5/6 you have the option of instaclosing. Shoukd small groups be able to live in these systems? I suggest perhaps not. A lot of other systems to live in. And we are making this move ourself as our active numbers had a drop. So yes I dont support the argument that small groups should be able to live in 5/6-5/6
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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.08.16 06:53:00 -
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Sometihng has changed on sisi. My orca is landing 6-7 k off the wormhole instead of the 13k it landed off earlier.
edit: and then it went 12k off again hehe. Ignore this comment
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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:02:00 -
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Mii-Tan Thiefraven wrote:Bleedingthrough wrote:My beloved EvE-Devs,
I been around for close to 10 years now
and I still love this game, Fozzie.
I am very passionate about WH space because
I think this is the most exciting place to be in EvE.
Also my corporation is helping new players to
get settled in w-space. Not only do we offer solid advice
but also allow new corps to live and pew pew with us and learn. (a C2 training WH)
We do this because we love w-space and want it to be in good shape
and share the good time we have here.
Now that the patch went live and after some testing with our statics
I need to tell you that this is horrible.
I never felt so misunderstood by you, Devs, ever.
Not even Incarna upset me that much. This is
pretty much how our entire group feels about this.
If you have any good intentions for the well-being
of w-space please listen to us. There has not been
a single entity that had anything positive to say
about this change.
Whatever good intentions you had with this change
it will hurt w-space.
Cheers,
Bleeding
My corporation is one of the new ones Bleeding is talking about, Raptor Navy has been a huge help for us. We have just started to be able to close for ourselves. I understand we are a small unknown corporation with limited understanding, we however also see this as a less than enjoyable change. Just getting started as it used to be was risky enough, now we are back to relying on Raptor Navy to close for us.
It takes 4 characters with 100mn mwd battleships (and at least one of those need to know basic addition of numbers) two passes. Unless you are lazy and only willing to roll with orcas this change will have no real risk effect.. raptor navy should know better then the arguments presented above
~Bringer of happiness
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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:20:00 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:calaretu wrote:
It takes 4 characters with 100mn mwd battleships (and at least one of those need to know basic addition of numbers) two passes. Unless you are lazy and only willing to roll with orcas this change will have no real risk effect.. raptor navy should know better then the arguments presented above
You will die without being polarized even in cruisers. Prove: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=24970053Devoters will land 10 km off the WH. Good luck getting them back home. It feels like a gate now. And btw. we are talking about a 3 bil C2-C5 connection. Edit: And a few mins later they have enough ppl online so we could not even roll if we had enough ppl online to close it in one go. Now what? Cant split their forces, can't brawl it out (would be suicide), offline for the rest of the day?
Eh. Kite? Snipe? Something else creative? I am sure you guys have more doctrines than pure brawling. The killmail you link is exactly why this change is a good thing. Also have scouts so you know what you jump into so you dont jump a vigi into a t3 sitting and waiting.
~Bringer of happiness
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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:14:00 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:calaretu wrote:
Eh. Kite? Snipe? Something else creative? I am sure you guys have more doctrines than pure brawling. The killmail you link is exactly why this change is a good thing. Also have scouts so you know what you jump into so you dont jump a vigi into a t3 sitting and waiting.
I think we have a common ground here: I would love to have a broader spectrum of tactical options and a WH mechanic that supports them. However, I do not agree that THIS change adds any of this. In this regard someone in this thread made a damn good proposition: Make the spawn distant directly proportional to the speed (and maybe inversely proportional to the mass) upon entering.
Maybe also take the entry vector into account. This certainly has some flaws as well that need to be addressed, but this would truly add something new without destroying the perfectly fine old ways of doing things. It is also exciting because FCs can get creative and come up with doctrines and tactics exploiting these mechanic and combining it with the "old" game of mass and polarization. Bottom line is: emergent behavior can only spark if the players are able to control their surroundings and if the surroundings are sufficient complex. The change introduced in this patch does the opposite: eliminating tactical options and introducing random deaths.
Yes. There are a lot of ways this change could have been done better. Personally I would like to see direction affect the rng
~Bringer of happiness
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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:32:00 -
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Syndiaan wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Saisin wrote:...The whole point of the mass change is to make collapsing more dangerous, and it only does so when the ships with higher mass don't get to jump back immediately. Except all the change really does is make it more tedious. All's that's really dangerous to is CCP's bottom-line as bored people don't stick around long It DOES make it more dangerous, the problem is when two major wormhole corps roll into each other and have uneven fleet comps to make a fun battle, what happens next? Everyone just sits there with their thumbs up their ass and waits for the other group to try and roll so they can just blob them. So what happens? Nothing.... We all just sit around in a pos or log off and play some other game until the wormhole despawns. Thanks for the new awesome WH content CCP!
If they are not on wormhole, why not take in a cloaky hauler and anchor drag bubbles? And then when they come to remove them jump sniping nados with mjd. Snipe jump back home and mjd away. Or something else that may actually work. You are acting like its pre-hyperion when you know its not. No pity from me in this matter. Both you and tlc have better pilots than acting like a standoff is the only alternative.
~Bringer of happiness
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calaretu
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:57:00 -
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ULSTER MAN wrote:Thank you ccp
We rolled into a large corp . we had no other wormholes in our system.
We could not close it due to them camping us in with a fleet of 8 guys (we have 3).
Normally in this situation we would close and find another hole that more matched our numbers.
24 hours before this hole closes !!!
OK OK I exaggerate about to guys camping us but they did have more than us :D
We all logged off to play other games cus we could not do anything.
Thank you CCP for creating more traffic to other games.
Not happy
I recommend checking out threads in Warfare and Tactics sub that deal with fits that let you fight outnumbered. Like this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296524
~Bringer of happiness
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calaretu
Unsettled
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Posted - 2015.08.20 04:27:29 -
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Omega Flames wrote:over a year later and this is still relevant and still wanting to be removed by plenty of those still living in wh space.
Wrong. Still a good change that has opened up the viabilaty of ship setups beyond the old t3-only.
Pls let this thread die in peace. It is so tired and wish to just be left alone by itself in a dark corner.
~Bringer of happiness
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