A new moment hast just occurred in Uedama. The Biohazard Corporation, an Amarr Faction Warfare Militia has taken up sides with CODE. to gank ships in Caldari space. I don't know how the Caldari are going to like the Amarr ganking ships in their empire when both are supposed to be allies. This move by Biohazard may inspire a full fledged war between the Amarr Empire and Caldari State.

For some people, shooting at ships with no guns is the riskiest thing they will ever do.

Lets not belittle their achievements.

ummm, OK but why did this need a new thread?

For some people, shooting at ships with no guns is the riskiest thing they will ever do.

Lets not belittle their achievements.

We don't discriminate, unlike most EVE players. I know of members of my alliance who have never engaged in any type of PVP beyond high sec ganking (this is very rare), whereas most of us tend to be alts of characters who simply want a break from grinding sov or other activities.

*edit: corrected a typo*

Ihubs dont have guns, freighters dont have guns. I think i get it now :)

Thanks for the clarification.

Useful intel. I suspect they won't be too good at it - all a high sec corp has to do is join Gal or mini militia and then freely smash the ganked fitted ships. That is assuming though that high sec indy corps know what PvP is...

Yes, take a fast look at the CODE. alliance killboard and you'll clearly see we never shoot anyone that shoots back. Except when we do. Which is often.

We also never kill anything in low sec, nullsec, or wormhole space. Except when we do.

My advice to everyone is to create support tickets, for some weird reason CCP keeps showing all of our kills as "real" and "valid" kills even though we all know none of them actually count, right? Something must be bugged. :P

CODE. in july killed 4,407 ships;

- 4,118 high sec ganks.

- 281 kills in pyne with an insta-lock camp that runs away from anything that might fight back.

- 0 null sec kills.

CODE. in july killed 4,407 ships;

- 4,118 high sec ganks.

- 281 kills in pyne with an insta-lock camp that runs away from anything that might fight back.

- 0 null sec kills.

CODE. in june killed 4,198 ships, all of which were ganks in high sec lol.

These stats are actually better than i thought. You guys are awesome!

In short:
CODE are the biggest cowards eve has ever seen excepting goons

Good stuff.

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Useful intel. I suspect they won't be too good at it - all a high sec corp has to do is join Gal or mini militia and then freely smash the ganked fitted ships. That is assuming though that high sec indy corps know what PvP is...

Of course, those on the other side of the fight who manage to do 1% damage against a catalyst in high-sec while concord does the other 99% is a honorable warrior who scored a "real" kill and should be praised, right?

Now in my opinion killboard padding is a valid objective

look how bad you are

Confirming that I have padded my killboard with several lossmails belonging to TrouserDeagle for no strategic reason other than that I could.

So, let's recap:

You say:

"For some people, shooting at ships with no guns is the riskiest thing they will ever do."

I provide evidence of nearly 300 ships this month with guns killed by my alliance.

You ignore that, as we scored those kills in ways you feel don't have enough e-bushido. rofl :) Just admit you were totally wrong, HTFU, move on.

lol as usual - I provide evidence of nearly 300 kills against ships that were armed and took place outside of high sec, and of course they don't count. We had superior numbers and better locking speed. We got some of them at a low sec gate-camp. We did not bow three times as proper fleet bushido mandates. We had better guns. The list goes on and on :) This is classic and happens every single time someone claims "CODE does not ever shoot anyone who shoots back!" (which, by the way, you totally claimed!) and then when provided with evidence that totally disproves your statement, you come up with a reason why that does not count. We blobbed. Our lock time was too fast. We had more ships. We had better team-work. It was not a "fair" fight.

Of course, those on the other side of the fight who manage to do 1% damage against a catalyst in high-sec while concord does the other 99% is a honorable warrior who scored a "real" kill and should be praised, right? :) Such lulz. We get this every single day. The tears fill our jars and we laugh about it, all day, every day, while we continue to win.

As to you not seeing any nullsec kills, you need to look harder. We don't often roam null - but there's some kills here and there. Also, why should we? We can roam and kill anywhere we want, and every single kill we make counts according to the game. CCP supports them, they are kills, they are PVP, the killboards list them, the ingame kill log lists them - this sounds like a problem you need to take up with CCP. Give them your list of what makes a kill "real" or "count" and ask them to modify the game to only include those kills. So by your standards, only null-sec kills that do NOT take place at a gate where the attackers are smart enough to bring fast tackle should count? Get that support ticket going, dude.

Again, you should really create a support ticket. It's funny, our kills seem to still keep counting, and around 100 of us seem to keep outperforming most massive null-sec alliances in terms of number of kills - and it all seems to still count! There must be some kind of bug :P

What i actually wrote was the stats were better than i thought and you guys are actually awesome. It would seem you doubt my sincerity? I wonder why that is?

So you're saying 13% of your kills were valid PvP fights, and not ganks? That metric still doesn't look good from a mathematical viewpoint.

Personally I don't see any issues with ganking freighters, haulers, miners, even shuttles and noob ships.

In null or low sec it is a no brainer assuming the target is not blue to the ganker. A certain level of skill and/or luck is required on the part of the ganker to find and kill the target, coupled with the decision on the part of the target to place his vessel in the hostile environment in the first place.

In high sec it can be justified, when the benefit outweighs the expected losses. I'm thinking an operation where a freighter is scanned to find a valuable cargo and then a suicide gank is carried out with a hauler being brought in to scoop the loot and the expected haul to more than cover the cost of the lost suicided ships.

I take my hat off to people that manage this. I've even done it a couple of times. The fact that I don't do it more is because it isn't as easy as it sounds. Requires patience and a sec status which I just can't be bothered to maintain or pay for. That's assuming that the purpose of said gank, has a 'real' objective. I say this because there is no skill on the part of the ganker, or luck involved, or bad play on the part of the target.

And there is the rub that I think most people have with Code and other parties that do what they do. What is their objective?

Looking at Code's Killboard, it clearly isn't profit. It appears to be Killboard padding. Now in my opinion killboard padding is a valid objective. However, if you are going for killboard padding, you have to be honest. It seems these people are exploiting the fact that their losses to Concord are not pulled to the killboard, so they are getting these great killboard stats and isk efficiencies while just pretending that they didn't lose anything and we haven't even got onto the very real and significant additional cost of buying back your sec status.

In short they are trading Isk via a flawed mechanic for killmails so that they can pretend to be leet PvPers.

They will of course say, it is about the tears etc, but I think this bitter comment was very telling.


It is clear that the real sting for the author here is that the 1% damage from another player, resulted in the killmail getting pulled by the killboards.

Guys, if it is killboard padding you want and you can't be honest about it. A more efficient method would be to just post fake mails. But I guess the popular independent killboards take measures to stop that sort of thing. It's just not fair is it?

No, 100% of our kills were valid PvP fights. There was a player, and another player or group of players engaged them in combat, thus: player vs. player.

My point was a response to an earlier comment, where the tired rhetoric of "CODE never shoots at anything that can shoot back" was thrown out there (except when we do, which appears to have been %13 of the time over whatever time period was sampled there. Thirteen percent > zero percent.

I would just like to clarify, that was over june and july, there were no low sec kills in june so the actual percentage over that sample was closer to 6%.

CONGRATULATIONS!!

I would just like to clarify that you claimed 0% and still have not admitted you were totally wrong :P

That is exactly why im congratulating you.

Fair enough :) L33t pvp, eh mate? It's just a well known fact: the CODE always wins :) When ganking miners.

This thread is awesome. I am loving that DJentropy Ovaert takes pride in his alliance having only slightly more low sec kills than the average low sec resident. Ganking is a thing, always has been and always will be. I like hearing how some people try to combat it too and I am sure that someone in new order is banking really well off of mining barge and freighter construction. Especially considering they have a few systems of high sec belts that are basically clear for their bots to mine 23/7. It is a crafty business plan, I wish I'd come up with it. After all, who hasn't wanted a high sec empire? A place completely safe from the other entities in EVE where you can mine, manufacture and shoot whatever you like.

A High Sector Empire is a delusion. Just because someone ganks ships and causes fear in a certain system does not mean they own that system.

Unless the High Sector System can be captured, which it cannot be and never will be able to be captured by any alliance or corporation the mentality of claiming a High Sector is like following a Llama around waiting for it to shed it's coat to where as a status of royalty.

It would be interesting though if CODE's actions were written into some new type of factional warfare similar to the Militia Faction War but going against CODE members.....nah that will never happen either...just like claiming High Sector as an Empire without having actual Sovereignty Rights will never happen.

I mean what can a corp full of - Red is Dead all the time members really do to enforce their...claim of superiority?

Wow.

Gotta give DJentropy Ovaert some credit for trying so damn hard to convince everyone what CODE does is proper pvp.

Ahh, the old 'proper PvP' jibe.

This jibe is quite often used when the author confuses the acronym of Player versus Player, for a synonym of some unknown mythical combat ritual. Aka 'proper PvP'.

Wow indeed.

Ahh, the old 'proper PvP' jibe.

This jibe is quite often used when the author confuses the acronym of Player versus Player, for a synonym of some unknown mythical combat ritual. Aka 'proper PvP'.

Wow indeed.

I don't know how the Caldari are going to like the Amarr ganking ships in their empire when both are supposed to be allies.

This move by Biohazard may inspire a full fledged war between the Amarr Empire and Caldari State.

looooooooooool the united

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I am touched in all the right places. Never before has such wonderful and well thought out retorts, done so much for so few. Many thanks my special friends.

your bad

Thanks ISD Atomic Dove

DJ Ovary Wrote - Everyone can put politics and wars aside when it comes to the common goal of blowing up shiny things that are idiot fit and probably on auto :)

An idiot fit?

They are piloting Orca's and Freighters. Not much fit to them. Unlike the Blob that shows up and attacks them.

The real question that cannot be misdirected is why doesn't CODE go into Low and Null Sector and preform the same actions?

The reason being is that the ships and pilots in low and null have teeth and bite back unlike CODE that beats around freighters and orca's like they are little old women and men in wheel chairs that can't fight back.

whos code lol?

whos code lol?

From what i can gather, they are a high sec hauling corp,

Especially considering they have a few systems of high sec belts that are basically clear for their bots to mine 23/7. It is a crafty business plan, I wish I'd come up with it. After all, who hasn't wanted a high sec empire? A place completely safe from the other entities in EVE where you can mine, manufacture and shoot whatever you like.

5. If the CODE. were a joke dont you think someone would have found a punchline? Or would our killboards look this good? Anti-ganking is the joke, you just shamelessly get on killmails and bring out logistics or a few jams and let CONCORD do all the heavy lifting. Then you smack talk local while we mercilessly slaughter freighters, Orcas, and More in the name of a better tomorrow.

Only reason CODE killboards look good is because losses to CONCORD are not counted.

Fact is, if more people whored on the CONCORD kills against CODE, those killboards would look like shite.

Ganking defenseless miners is about their speed, yeah...

Wow.

Gotta give DJentropy Ovaert some credit for trying so damn hard to convince everyone what CODE does is proper pvp.

Thanks ISD Atomic Dove

DJ Ovary Wrote - Everyone can put politics and wars aside when it comes to the common goal of blowing up shiny things that are idiot fit and probably on auto :)

An idiot fit?

They are piloting Orca's and Freighters. Not much fit to them. Unlike the Blob that shows up and attacks them.

The real question that cannot be misdirected is why doesn't CODE go into Low and Null Sector and preform the same actions?

The reason being is that the ships and pilots in low and null have teeth and bite back unlike CODE that beats around freighters and orca's like they are little old women and men in wheel chairs that can't fight back.

What a shame it will be for the Amarr Faction War when the Minmatar show up at one your sector POS bashing's or when the Minmatar show up in Aufay to bash CODE around.

The Amarr Militia are a joke in the faction war and they know they are. Just like everyone knows that CODE and James315 is also a joke. A joke that will persist forever for the Amarr Militia but will wax and wane into nothingness for CODE.

Only reason CODE killboards look good is because losses to CONCORD are not counted.

Fact is, if more people whored on the CONCORD kills against CODE, those killboards would look like shite.

Last time I checked, Dryson, you were not a respected member of the New Order - this means you don't get to deploy our fleets. I know you think we should "go to Low and Null Sector" - but we generally don't allow random people to determine where we go or what we do. I'm sure you understand :)

Oh, and here I thought Dryson was actually one of us and this was all an elaborate troll to generate content. Good thing I didn't actually deploy to low sec yet.

Please come to Low Sec we love fighting : D

I think nobody in Low Sec would mind more targets drifting around. Obviously beware though it is dangerous out here...lots of nasty pirates (Yah HARR) and militia (who are pirates that don't like gate guns). Not many miners or freighters though...

I use insta lock thrashers to shoot interceptors in Low-sec. The gate guns kill me. AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

Where are you getting this from?!?!

Head over to http://zkillboard.com - in the little search box, search for me. Click "losses". You'll notice that every single loss I take is "counted", including losses to CONCORD. Literally 99% of my losses are due to CONCORD, and they are all right there. Why do people keep repeating this rumor like it has any basis in reality?

If you know where to look there are a plethora of miners and stupid JF and freighter pilots to go around, they just dont frequent the low sec super highways of EVE and stick to quieter systems off the beaten path.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1806895&view=losses&m=08&y=2014

Only Concord kills that show are the ones that players whored on. I'm sure you have a lot more than that.

Somewhat reminds me of the use of flamethrowers in warfare..

Well, guys - we went ahead and took you up on your challenge. After all, everyone knows that if members of the New Order dare to leave high-sec and head out to low-sec for some PVP against targets who "can shoot back" - we are just going to end up getting smashed by the locals and laughed out of the area, right? I mean, none of us are any good at "real PVP" and are just a bunch of clueless players who have no idea what they are doing, right?

https://zkillboard.com/related/30045353/201408150500/

After a few moments of looking things over, we decided to set out on a mission to ensure that the Gallente and Caldari militia were showing support for the New Order. When we got there, however, we were shocked to find that not a single resident had a permit or a show of support for James 315 in their bio! We had no choice but to enforce the law.

After nearly three billion in damage done without a single ISK in loss to the New Order (Excluding ammo and repair paste, of course) - we decided to listen to the the locals and "Go back to high-sec". Funny how that works :)

Targets included members of:

Brave Privateers
Caldari Armed Forces.
Caldari Provisions
Dayman Industries
Exodus.
Ideal Society
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Native Freshfood
Northern Coalition.
Ordo Mortis
Point Blank Alliance
Repeat 0ffenders
Sucker Punch Reloaded
Texas Stretch Inc.
The Bastard Cartel
The Bastion
Theory of Mind
V01-D

Of course, we understand the care bear opinion that none of these kills are "real" or "count" due to *insert reason*. From all the involved New Order agents, we look forward to hearing your reasons why nothing we do "counts" or is "real" - even though all of the in-game tools and out-of-game killboards still seem to show our results.

Have a great weekend!

*From the diplomatic desk of the New Order of High-Sec*

Well, guys - we went ahead and took you up on your challenge. After all, everyone knows that if members of the New Order dare to leave high-sec and head out to low-sec for some PVP against targets who "can shoot back" - we are just going to end up getting smashed by the locals and laughed out of the area, right? I mean, none of us are any good at "real PVP" and are just a bunch of clueless players who have no idea what they are doing, right?

https://zkillboard.com/related/30045353/201408150500/

After a few moments of looking things over, we decided to set out on a mission to ensure that the Gallente and Caldari militia were showing support for the New Order. When we got there, however, we were shocked to find that not a single resident had a permit or a show of support for James 315 in their bio! We had no choice but to enforce the law.

After nearly three billion in damage done without a single ISK in loss to the New Order (Excluding ammo and repair paste, of course) - we decided to listen to the the locals and "Go back to high-sec". Funny how that works :)

Targets included members of:

Brave Privateers
Caldari Armed Forces.
Caldari Provisions
Dayman Industries
Exodus.
Ideal Society
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Native Freshfood
Northern Coalition.
Ordo Mortis
Point Blank Alliance
Repeat 0ffenders
Sucker Punch Reloaded
Texas Stretch Inc.
The Bastard Cartel
The Bastion
Theory of Mind
V01-D

Of course, we understand the care bear opinion that none of these kills are "real" or "count" due to *insert reason*. From all the involved New Order agents, we look forward to hearing your reasons why nothing we do "counts" or is "real" - even though all of the in-game tools and out-of-game killboards still seem to show our results.

Have a great weekend!

*From the diplomatic desk of the New Order of High-Sec*

I know that fleet setup. The insta-locking gate camp setup. Scouts in adjacent systems, ships are fitted with rails or arty, sitting off gate at optimal ranges, if anything big shows up, or opposing fleet; ya'll warp off to one of loyalanon's safes. Yeah, DJ, real pro.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1806895&view=losses&m=08&y=2014

Only Concord kills that show are the ones that players whored on. I'm sure you have a lot more than that.

I know that fleet setup. The insta-locking gate camp setup. Scouts in adjacent systems, ships are fitted with rails or arty, sitting off gate at optimal ranges, if anything big shows up, or opposing fleet; ya'll warp off to one of loyalanon's safes. Yeah, DJ, real pro.

Confirming that bringing a well fit fleet to a target rich environment, making sure that the fleet has the needed tackle to engage the enemy successfully, fitting with rail guns or artillery, making sure to be at an effective range for weapons to be useful, using scouts, and making the decision to withdraw if an overwhelming force decides to engage is not a good idea and that you will never win any fights like this. None of the well ranked killers and effective PVP players in EVE use any of these strategies.

Everyone knows that the PROS never use a scout, only use missles or lasers, are always at the wrong range for their weapons to apply DPS effectively , lack proper tackle to hold their enemy and continue to engage targets in a situation where victory is no longer a possibility. After all, this is the one and only true path to e-Bushido and Cyber-Honor.

#wrekt

Not that hard when they just softball them in like that :P

It's literally like punching babies in the face, pretty much the same thing.

* Notice: The CODE. Alliance does not condone or encourage any type of baby punching, and recent accusations of baby-punching that have been claimed at http://minerbumping.com are a very serious issue that we are currently laughing about, errr, investigating with probably levels of seriousness.

I'm so glad about this ....
......... I'm pregnant. It's yours .......
























Wished I could see your face now.... XD

That's it, I'm quitting EVE and joining WOW to be a deadbeat dad. Thanks, Solecist.

but... but... OUR BABY!!!!!! D:

I can't tell you how disappointed I am that a gatecamp was running for that long without a goon managing to die to it. At least you got a Bastion member, that's almost kinda the same thing.

Glad that had not happened, after all, the "anti-ganking" community would apply their flawless logic to it and realize that since the entire New Order consists of Goon alts, they were seeing evidence of some sort of epic internal power struggle or something like that. :)

Glad that had not happened, after all, the "anti-ganking" community would apply their flawless logic to it and realize that since the entire New Order consists of Goon alts, they were seeing evidence of some sort of epic internal power struggle or something like that. :)

We'd be scissored.

http://goo.gl/78Eh12


is bio still a corp. it seems like they have had a terrible, terrible decline in members.

Look at the ganking scrubs, bein all scrubby in scrubsec.

Right now that my post is at the level of posting of the rest of you I shall be real.

Firstly, nobody really cares and this does not warrant a thread.

Secondly, you talk like code ar the first group who did organised ganking. Son, you are far from the first and for sure wont be the last because you will no doubt get bored of such uneventful pvp and some other slack jawed fool will take your place.

Lastly, biohazard were in amarr militia for a while. Gallente before that and started of in minmatar. Don't take their movement as any kind of reflection on amarr militias real attitude to caldari. Caldari gallente minmatar, your all scum to us, jut that 2 of you show up orange and the other shows up purple. Also from my understanding biohazard is where it is because the then CEO aslon wanted to move to Nullsec, most of his pilots didnt want to go, alliance disbanded, CEO left, majority of leadership has left. All you have is the leftovers of a failed minmatar talwar blob corp.

And on the topic on amarr vs caldari, if you got the likes of 24eme or DnG to attack caldari, then you can call it real war between us.

Until that point you can continue to faceroll in highsec

In conclusion. **** you.

Interesting dev blog about systems with high gank rates having their security status upped to make it harder to gank!

Might be interesting.

Nah sec only drops in systems that once had lower sec. Current sec is baseline.

You dont care about our little FW?

I dont care about your pressing F1 against AFK autopiloting ships.

As for the apparent rage, nah bro this is just good internet smack talk. I have a degree in it from Infantry Online.

Scrub lords of scrubsec remain scrubby

http://goo.gl/78Eh12


is bio still a corp. it seems like they have had a terrible, terrible decline in members.

ummm, OK but why did this need a new thread?