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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.09 02:57:00 -
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+1
You make the clones at the Rorqual and store them in a "Mobile Clone Reanimation Unit". You can update your clones here and jump between them (with the cooldown from skills). This is vitally needed. Really it's been my only complaint about WH quality of life.
Epic Space Cat |
Lajos Perseus
Conquering Darkness
59
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Posted - 2014.08.09 03:30:00 -
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We were just talking about this last night on comms. I believe this is something that should seriously be looked at by ccp. Why can't we have a mobile clone storage array. Make the cool down a bit longer though as a luxury for using it. |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
29
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Posted - 2014.08.09 06:35:00 -
[33] - Quote
+1 |
Orange Aideron
Blue-Fire
30
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Posted - 2014.08.09 06:57:00 -
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+1 good idea. Pro's outway cons. |
Kireitsugu Secheh
Les chips electriques
11
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Posted - 2014.08.09 08:12:00 -
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Okay, i think people doesnt know that but i'll tell all of you the simple way to get a clone without implants in your pos
Step 1: If you are in a C4-C6 wh, go to a C1-C3 .
Step 2: Go to k space
Step 3: Find a station, install a jump clone
Step 4: Find another station, and jump to the clone created in Step 3
Step 5: Go back to your wspace
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Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
66
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Posted - 2014.08.09 09:28:00 -
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Implants actually have a significant effect in small ship fights as well, and you are much better equipped to get out of bubbles than when sitting in a capital. Losing or winning a fight is also not dependant on ship class. I get the feeling that most people here only fight when they are guaranteed to win, and that they fear always losing in smaller ships.
Lack of clone swapping in wormholes has not and will not affect my decisions about ship choices for a roam, if there's fun to be had I'm in. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
638
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Posted - 2014.08.09 14:04:00 -
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Rroff wrote:
Given the assumption that someone plugged an expensive implant set in to actually use when the appropriate time came i.e. when in a capital in pvp you can hardly call them risk averse or do we call everyone risk averse if they don't do headlong stupid things?
This appears to be exactly the case. The chest beating over choice to waste or not to waste and the implication that those who would choose not to waste being risk averse.
It's a slightly derpy position since it would mean many who risk (and die) those same ships and implants daily in cruisers etc and who are therefore not risk averse are labeled risk averse over wanting the choice to not stupidly fly virtues(for example) in squishy combat ships (any frigate) in the land of HIC/dic bubbles.
But such is Eve where HTFU is the mantra even when it's dumb.
I'm right behind you |
T0SHI KONI
Merchants Trade Consortium
The Last Chancers.
4
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:28:00 -
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Xe'Cara'eos wrote:my 0.02 isk - as long as you can't jump from k-space to W-space or from W-space to k-space, I like this idea.
To take this a step further, you shouldn't be allowed to jump between different Wspace systems or even different POSes in the same system. This only allows you to swap heads at the particular POS that the modual is at. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
702
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:34:00 -
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T0SHI KONI wrote:Xe'Cara'eos wrote:my 0.02 isk - as long as you can't jump from k-space to W-space or from W-space to k-space, I like this idea. To take this a step further, you shouldn't be allowed to jump between different Wspace systems or even different POSes in the same system. This only allows you to swap heads at the particular POS that the modual is at.
It doesn't really need to be complicated at all as I see it for most uses this would cover it:
+If your 24 hour clone jump timer isn't in effect
+Pause training
+Right click on POS control tower, select swap clone
+Implants stored on POS are swapped with your current ones, 24 hour cooldown timer starts as per normal clone jump
+Resume training
+24 hours later if you want, repeat to get back to the original implant set
If its the first time doing it you basically store current implants and end up in a blank clone - so plug in the extra implants you brought with you if applicable.
+If the POS is RF'd all stored implants are locked.
+If the POS is popped all currently stored implants show as per container items on the killmail
No jumping between systems or POSes permitted.
Technical issues aside uncomplicated and relatively simple. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
211
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Posted - 2014.08.09 23:02:00 -
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I'm for this change. However Jack Miton does make a solid point that it's for risk adverse who don't want nasty pod losses when pvping....
Guess I'm risk adverse! |
Winthorp
2512
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Posted - 2014.08.09 23:12:00 -
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+1
While i do see Jacks point doesn't it make those risk adverse save ISK by fitting the appropriate clone i think those people would either not have bling clones in the first place or not go on that roam or not PVP in the bling clone anyway making it a mute point.
I think it will lead to killing of more expensive clones TBH if people think its "safe" to put in their bling set while they PVE or scan. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
1410
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Posted - 2014.08.10 02:57:00 -
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Capsuleers are evolving and advancing. One capsuleer (The Broker) has already taken control of his own cloning (although he had disastrous results because he was reckless). There is no reason, lore wise, game wise, that we shouldn't be able to buy "clone templates", add a bit of biomass and proteins, and install our own clones in mobile platforms. I'm less interested in the mechanics behind the platforms and more interested in getting these platforms introduced into the game.
Epic Space Cat |
Var D'ovoli
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
24
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:12:00 -
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Kireitsugu Secheh wrote:Okay, i think people doesnt know that but i'll tell all of you the simple way to get a clone without implants in your pos
Step 1: If you are in a C4-C6 wh, go to a C1-C3 .
Step 2: Go to k space
Step 3: Find a station, install a jump clone
Step 4: Find another station, and jump to the clone created in Step 3
Step 5: Go back to your wspace
I think that you've missed the point that the OP made. Have another look, and consider the frigate/dessy/hic hole that is being introduced. |
Kireitsugu Secheh
Les chips electriques
13
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:22:00 -
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I'm aware of that new hole.
I'm still trying to understand how it makes things more complicated to go into kspace to do some clone swaping for a special format of squirmish.
I understand that going to kspace is tiresome :(
But heh. Wanna ice belts in your system ? |
Var D'ovoli
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
24
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:55:00 -
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Kireitsugu Secheh wrote:I'm aware of that new hole.
But heh. Wanna ice belts in your system ?
Nah... I could live without them just as we have. As far as the clones go, I think it would be nice to be able to get in a frig and get lots of pew and not sweat any implants. I can see the point of bigger KM's without the change but, meh |
Ahost Gceo
Probe Patrol
Ixtab.
162
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Posted - 2014.08.10 14:32:00 -
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I support this for the simple fact that w-space needs new content and not some skimpy tweaks like what has been the norm for a long time.
Flying in w-space feels like I've been eating my favorite sandwich for every meal of every day for the past three years, with the only change being a different bag of chips every few months.
I'm a friggin' banana. |
Rei Moon
Murderous Inc
39
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Posted - 2014.08.10 16:35:00 -
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Bag of what? |
Sum Olgy
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
68
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:14:00 -
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In short no.
At the 2013 Fanfest this was mooted and the answer form the players and CCP was a resounding no. W Space is becoming more and more like null with every little 'tweak' and this isn't where I want W space to go.
The mechanic here is 'Ooo - I have an espensive head full of PvE implants and there's fight on so I'll just swap out to a cheap PvP clone. What a cop out. W space is the unknown where anything should be able to happen. Turning it into a more easily(cheaper) living space is not the way W space should be heading.
W Space is hard(not hard enough IMO) - deal with it. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
704
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:40:00 -
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Sum Olgy wrote:
The mechanic here is 'Ooo - I have an espensive head full of PvE implants and there's fight on so I'll just swap out to a cheap PvP clone. What a cop out. W space is the unknown where anything should be able to happen. Turning it into a more easily(cheaper) living space is not the way W space should be heading.
While a valid point and also not something I'm a fan of that is only looking at a relatively narrow aspect of its use, if the majority of action was w-space on w-space I'd be completely in agreement with you, Jack and others. These days the bigger percentage of PVP involves roaming further afield, usually in ishtars :( or t1 cruisers and other cheap disposable setups generally into null, etc. which makes no sense to take expensive anything with it implants or otherwise. |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises
Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:14:00 -
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Sum Olgy wrote:In short no.
At the 2013 Fanfest this was mooted and the answer form the players and CCP was a resounding no. W Space is becoming more and more like null with every little 'tweak' and this isn't where I want W space to go.
The mechanic here is 'Ooo - I have an espensive head full of PvE implants and there's fight on so I'll just swap out to a cheap PvP clone. What a cop out. W space is the unknown where anything should be able to happen. Turning it into a more easily(cheaper) living space is not the way W space should be heading.
W Space is hard(not hard enough IMO) - deal with it.
That's just not the case. There are different implants I use for pvp vs pve. So for example the case with my ship I currently use for pve is a proteus and the ship I use for pvp is a gila. Totally different ships requiring a whole different set of implants needed between the two ships to maximize them effectively. If you think this would make more poeple risk adverse then I think your kidding yourself and besides eve is a game about choices. So let people make their choice. If nothing else and you go with the pos mod dropping the clones implants you could just bash the risk adverse peoples pos and get a nice loot pinata. If their so rish adverse they wont put up a fight right? |
Sum Olgy
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
69
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:37:00 -
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You're missing the point. W space is DIFFERENT. The more it becomes an extension of K space with all its luxury options the more debased it becomes.
I don't want W space to have K space options and features I wast W space to have its own options and be something markedly different. By all means add in new W space specific features but just adding K space ones for convenience is the wrong way to go.
I'll say it again , and it hope CCP follow the statement with results
W space is hard. |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
979
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:31:00 -
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Sum Olgy wrote:You're missing the point. W space is DIFFERENT. The more it becomes an extension of K space with all its luxury options the more debased it becomes.
I don't want W space to have K space options and features I wast W space to have its own options and be something markedly different. By all means add in new W space specific features but just adding K space ones for convenience is the wrong way to go.
I'll say it again , and it hope CCP follow the statement with results
W space is hard.
Ok lets give you an alternative,
Let sleeper data centres have a facility to allow you to swap implants. As you know they are defended.
You have to take them there and bring the unfitted ones back.
You have to replace like with like, Ie if you have a slot 6 you have to refit a slot 6. Etc etc.
And nothing can be under a plus 2
Well that is certainly different, and that means no cheap cheap clones.
And even better are the following plus features.
One can refit to operate in different wormhole effects.
One can refit for PvE and PvP
There are more people flying in space outside the pos
There are shinys in ships that can be looted.
Seems like everyone is happy, because everyone has something to gain or something to shoot.
Especially if someone is alone they are going to travel down the chain to find a data site they can handle.
Win win
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
1417
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Posted - 2014.08.11 15:34:00 -
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Sum Olgy wrote:W space is hard.
Sorry, but there's a difference between tedious and hard. Having to scan down a HiSec so I can get my new clone back into the WH to do WH things is not hard. It's just tedious.
You keep saying you want Wspace to be distinct and separate from Kspace. This change would allow you to avoid having to go to Kspace for even longer periods of time. I know for myself the reason I came to Wspace was because I wanted to experience the unknown and get away from Kspace. Every time I have to go to Kspace for any reason, even if HiSec is only 2 holes away, I hate it. It's not challenging or hard to have to come back from Kspace each time I get podded... it's tedious, boring, and breaks my immersion.
It makes no sense not to have this feature.
If you're worried about it being "op" or "too" convenient, those are not actually valid complaints. There are ways to implement the feature that it would not be either.
- You can only store a max of 1 or 2 clones at a Mobile CRU.
- Clones take 1 week to install.
- Swapping between the clones takes 12 hours + the standard 24 hours (as modified by infomorph psychology)
See, that wasn't hard now was it?
Epic Space Cat |
Kireitsugu Secheh
Les chips electriques
15
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:55:00 -
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Immersion ? Sense ? Getting away from highsec ?
What are you talking about.
You say you hate it yet you want to do highsec stuff in wormholes.
I'm sorry but no. Clones are crapy stuff from kspace where you can store things safely in stations.
Dont get me wrong. I'm not against a feature that allow people to tune themselves in wormholes.
I'm just again copypasting kspace here.
Why would wspace would clones to swap implants?
What we need is a unplug array or something you can board and get your implants extracted. Those thing would work only in kspace due to yourself being far away from your next medical clone, and could only process an amount of people per time.
There would be also a small chance for the implant to get destroyed in the process, and you would need dead corpse to initiate a full removal :D
Stop being jalous of KSPACE ! Innovate !
How to clone swap in worm holes |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
1453
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Posted - 2014.08.15 05:14:00 -
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Kireitsugu Secheh wrote:Immersion ? Sense ? Getting away from highsec ?
What are you talking about.
Yeah dude. If I could store 1 or 2 clones in the WH, it means that many fewer trips to KSpace. Which means I spend more time immersed in WH space.
At EVE Vegas a Dev mentioned blurring the lines between Capsuleers, DUST Mercs, and Valkyries. They're all different variations on the same technology. And Capsuleers are becoming more indepen- nvm, you don't seem like a lore kinda guy to me anyhow.
Kireitsugu Secheh wrote:You say you hate it yet you want to do highsec stuff in wormholes.
LIKE FLYING SHIPS?! AND SHOOTING RED CROSSES?!
Kireitsugu Secheh wrote:I'm sorry but no. Clones are crapy stuff from kspace where you can store things safely in stations.
So this your whole argument, then? K.
Epic Space Cat |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.08.15 05:48:00 -
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When your pve implants cost 100x the frig your about to roam in, suddenly there is something very important to do in RL.
The other alternative is to only ever use cheap clone with basicly no implants.
Does any of those alternatives scream more pew pew, or shiny killmails?
Realisticly thats the options we have, unless you can dig up a good number of killmails that show something else (frig KM, followed by high grade pod kill or something along those lines) |
Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers
Ocularis Inferno
93
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:07:00 -
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It's not even a question of being risk averse. You know what I will do if it gets introduced, I will have an expensive pve clone and also expensive pvp clone. It simply a fact that pve clone is so much more different from pvp clone that it isn't even funny. |
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