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Whiskey Juvenile GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 02:28:00 - [181] Originally by: fmercury Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him. Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths. Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm.
Degaal Valen Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 02:35:00 - [182] Originally by: Lorth I was just trying to prevent a derail. But how does to conflict call for drones. I don't know Lorth. Sadly I lack a crystal ball for EVE combat and am unable to predict that our opponents will not muster a support fleet and warp in at close range. A better question would be why not have our drones deployed? With lag as much of a problem as it is just based on ship numbers alone I would rather be prepared for that one or 2 seconds I'll get to issue a command and already have my drones deployed than not. Accusations about purposeful lag inducing are completely foundless, and if you require further proof than the myriad Goonswarm posters who say that it is BS, I'd direct you to the scads of ex-Goonswarmers who retain bitterness towards certain members of our alliance to the extent that they would post our director forums. Where are all the bitter ex-Goonswarmers with an axe to grind claiming that we've ever tried to incite lag? The reality that is readily apparent to anyone not blinded by some bizarre vendatta over a video game is that goonswarm's sheer numbers alone cause lag. When anyone shows up somewhere with 200 ships there will be lag and both sides are victimized it. I've lost my fair share of implants and ships due to lag.
Cringeley Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:07:00 - [183] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic We just can't win on this forum. At last you see the truth! I expect you will now go out and buy a spaceship :p -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Shachar Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:18:00 - [184] Arguing about the same old stuff is useless. Arguing about who is right and who is wrong does not matter either. All that matters is who has the strength to win. I am not going to offer a opinion about that, and I am not interested in others' opinions about it. So lets keep having space battles and we will find out for real. The Swarm expects that every man will do his D U T Y
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:18:00 - [185] Originally by: fmercury Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him. While I know you speak for some others besides yourself 100% is a little on the high side, merc :D I don't despise him, doubt I'm the only one.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:19:00 - [186] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Zimi Vlasic We just can't win on this forum. At last you see the truth! I expect you will now go out and buy a spaceship :p I have several, and have made plenty of little bees assume room temperature. Playing the forum warrior card while posting on a forum yourself is pretty ironic.
Degaal Valen Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:28:00 - [187] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic I have several, and have made plenty of little bees assume room temperature. Playing the forum warrior card while posting on a forum yourself is pretty ironic. Is this the thread where we call each other forum warriors? I mean I just like my alliance, I like EVE and I glad to be able to be posting about the two on this website. It's not a conspiracy. A lot of us haven't been allowed to post until today so now we're probably just excited to join in the fun, debate or whatever you want to call it.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:32:00 - [188] There's no logical or intelligent debate in this forum it's all chest-beating, smack, and semi-intelligible trash come on, get with the program here!
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:38:00 - [189] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic instead of 50 millions alts spewing off we have 50 million clones. You already had that, did you miss the endless D2/IRON "ur so ded" mantrain in the Sparta thread?
The Speaker The Clue Factory	Posted - 2006.07.17 03:46:00 - [190] Something to strongly consider is that, in all likelihood neither side is going to be able to "win" at the current pace and with the current players involved. Really, take a step back and look at the situation: no matter how touted each side thinks their strengths are, there are clearly weaknesses on either side that can be exploited to great effect. This is delightful to some and at the deep, dark heart of bitter denial for others. Achieving a true "victory" is difficult when dealing with committed alliances, unlike a large number of alliances in game that roll over and play dead or run for the hills at the first sign of trouble. So, heaps and heaps of the overrated "respect" to both sides for at least being committed to this war for whatever their reasons might be. Go out there and have fun blowing each other up, that's what the game's really about. Well, unless the call of Jitaroids is too strong.


Serathu	Posted - 2006.07.17 04:10:00 - [191] May I remind you that this is not the place for discussions regarding Goonfleet's tactics. In addition, the discussion of exploits or potential exploits is not welcome on the forums. Please keep it on-topic in here. -Serathu- Ensign of CRC Interstellar Services Department [email protected]

Dungar Loghoth Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 04:33:00 - [192] Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile Originally by: fmercury Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him. Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths. Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm. False.
Whiskey Juvenile GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 05:05:00 - [193] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile Originally by: fmercury Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him. Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths. Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm. Well, then he's still wrong. False.
ZaKma Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 05:11:00 - [194] With personal insults like that, I really can't understand why anyone would put up with you Remedial. I sort of like the idea of the Goons, and I wish them all the best. But in my eyes it doesn't matter how good someone can lead if he can't even act like a adult. I lost count of the number of insults in those 3 pages. --- This post represents my personal opinion, and in no way the one of my alliance or corporation. I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 05:16:00 - [195] Originally by: Body Count think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES. snip Oh my. So, basically, we're n00bs, and how dare we attack and beat people with more sp than us? People with 'established' alliances and two years of training under their belts? In all honesty, blowing people like you up is the entire reason why Goonswarm exists. With an attitude like that, you're practically begging for it. Also, we hardly attacked D2 out of nowhere, they've been sending ganksquads to our homeland ever since Tribute. Next!
Vile rat Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 05:23:00 - [196] Originally by: Alaesa I love the goonspam Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct. Im laying bets on 3 months. PEAK GOONS
Rebellion Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 05:32:00 - [197] Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart. Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances. It's interesting to note that the goons are apparently the newest cults of personalities around. I had thought that with the fading away of guys like Ragnar, that those were things of the past. One thing about cults of personality though is that the personalities have to be able to withstand the eventual pressures. Those pressures can be big, even more so when the personalities are very outspoken, while having a lot to hide. At any rate, watching the goons rise from obscurity to prominence has proven to be interesting.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 05:44:00 - [198] Edited by: The Mittani on 17/07/2006 05:46:39 Originally by: Rebellion Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart. Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances. Imagine, if you will, a school bus full of special needs children doped to the gills on crystal meth. Now imagine that you've given them all sharp objects and a few handguns, and convinced them all that what they REALLY WANT is to die for Dear Leader and take someone with them in the process. Then you take that bus, dump nitrous into the gas tank, supercharge the engine, lock the accelerator at full throttle and point that bus in the general direction of your enemies, and just before you leap out of it you put the most hyperactive of the meth-addicted tard kids behind the wheel and tell him to have fun and that he's an excellent driver. That's what it's like being a Goonswarm director. It's not pretty, but the fireworks are spectacular. ^_^
Happydayz FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 06:31:00 - [199] Originally by: ZaKma With personal insults like that, I really can't understand why anyone would put up with you Remedial. I sort of like the idea of the Goons, and I wish them all the best. But in my eyes it doesn't matter how good someone can lead if he can't even act like a adult. I lost count of the number of insults in those 3 pages. Someone needs to post a link to the goonfleet keyboard that was made up recently. Having spent some time on their teamspeak and in gangs I can assure you that it is pretty much an accurate reflection of what's said during ops and idle time
Taaii Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 06:45:00 - [200] Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 17/07/2006 05:35:54 Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart. Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances. It's interesting to note that the goons are apparently the newest cults of personalities around. I had thought that with the fading away of guys like Ragnar, that those were things of the past. A word of advice if you would accept it: One thing about cults of personality though is that the personalities have to be able to withstand the eventual pressures. Those pressures can be big, even more so when the personalities are very outspoken, while having a lot to hide. At any rate, watching the goons rise from obscurity to prominence has proven to be interesting. While others seem too enthusiastic to predict Goonfleet's quick demise, I for one do not want it to happen prematurely. I think that the Goons are an interesting new element that must be allowed to reach its full potential, if only for the rest of us to see what can be learned from it. We've kind of fallen in with the rhetorical meaning of our Evolution corpname, and new "mutations" like Goonfleet are a welcome addition to the grand mix of EVE elements. QTF I like the Goon style in general. Its unorthodox and i belive that a lot of the hate they get is from the fact they have proven that low SP can be just as effective as a high SP char. T2 gear is not as dominant as it appears. Im a ex EQ player. Quite a high EQ player actually and when i did play, i hated how 'lesser' guilds did things or accomplished raids easier then at the time when my guild was doing it. I believe is a similar situation now. My only constructive criticism to GF is to chill out. You guys have done dam well against D2. You might not win but you guys have learnt alot. Your 'newb' players if you want to call them that, have more experience in PvP then people who have been playing months. Dont rub it in peoples faces via alts your doing better then people thought you would.

Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.17 06:54:00 - [201] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2006 23:19:24 Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring? This is of course because such an act of hostility between any corporations in this game is tantamount to genocide, right? THE FIEND! THE DEVIL! How could he even consider something as dasterderdly as DECLARING WAR ON AN ALLIANCE! Quote: do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there? I remember he took a break from playing the game for like 4 days, EL OH EL And waves? What are you talking about, we are in space not at the beach. Quote: ... cya on the battlefield Aka: XZH Man, I am on fire this morning ahem ... for the first point - reading comprehension 4tw!! .. i wasn't saying that the claiming of OR was a bad action .. i was only saying that in this thread a lots of stuff of remedials history in EVE came to surface. you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died?? and i feel really really sorry that english isn't my mother tongue, so please excuse some minor errors in wording ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Kesslar Znel	Posted - 2006.07.17 07:26:00 - [202] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died?? The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been. Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying.
MacDuncan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 07:55:00 - [203] Originally by: Kesslar Znel Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died?? The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been. Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying. Again...you're showing the lack of any sense at all...which seems to belonging to the majority within GS... --
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:02:00 - [204] Originally by: Kesslar Znel Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died?? The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been. Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying. Classy ....real classy
Body Count Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:03:00 - [205] Originally by: Kesslar Znel Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died?? The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been. Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying. This boys and girls is called a mistake. Making fun of dead players who ran the first eve killboard and was so respected that his mates named a station in his honour is a bad move.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:13:00 - [206] Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something. I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies? There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by) This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space DEAD or ALIVE we allways have some fun. DO YOU??
deadEd Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:14:00 - [207] Originally by: Body Count This boys and girls is called a mistake. Making fun of dead players who ran the first eve killboard and was so respected that his mates named a station in his honour is a bad move. In case this hasn't become bleedingly obvious yet, "Goons" and "Class" don't go together. They never have gone together, they never will go together, and you know what? They don't want it to go together. If anything, watching everyone flip their lid over it will make them that much more inclined to joke about it in the future. Whether it's concentrated hilarity or a total affront to your sensibilities really doesn't matter a whole lot, since they generally aren't going to try to please anyone but themselves with that sort of thing.
deadEd Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:14:00 - [208] Edited by: deadEd on 17/07/2006 08:14:31 double post, ignore
Body Count Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:20:00 - [209] Originally by: deadEd Originally by: Body Count This boys and girls is called a mistake. Making fun of dead players who ran the first eve killboard and was so respected that his mates named a station in his honour is a bad move. In case this hasn't become bleedingly obvious yet, "Goons" and "Class" don't go together. They never have gone together, they never will go together, and you know what? They don't want it to go together. If anything, watching everyone flip their lid over it will make them that much more inclined to joke about it in the future. Whether it's concentrated hilarity or a total affront to your sensibilities really doesn't matter a whole lot, since they generally aren't going to try to please anyone but themselves with that sort of thing. Actually you saving that it reminds me of a british phenomenon I've been told about. Could goons be the first "chav" alliance?
Nafri Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:24:00 - [210] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something. I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies? There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by) This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space He ovbiusly has some kind of WW2 tick, his ingame picture is Adolf ****** and tbh, he acts on his forums like him. Same for some other goon alts out here, talking about euthanism and other stuff. Its just disgusting. From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])



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