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Giganticus
Lordless Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.15 23:28:00 -
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WE REPORT, YOU DECIDE!
Linkage for hawt Goon Drama action! (read every page)
Also this may be the first that Goons have actually heard of such a thing. So this may be news for them too!
*snip*
And as I took the effort to make this kid friendly, I would hope that mods clamp down on any nasty people posting in here, rather than on the actual thread.
Please keep it polite - Serathu ([email protected]) *snip*
Please do not repost removed content - Serathu ([email protected]) |
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Serathu
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Posted - 2006.07.15 23:44:00 -
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Thread unlocked.
I invite you to read the Forum Rules again before posting and adhere to them completely. We will be operating a zero-tolerance policy from now on in this thread.
You have been warned.
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.16 01:38:00 -
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/me runs through the thread with no pants screaming like a banshee
Quick, they are distracted, flame away while they'r not looking.
But seriously, how in the world does a corp run with so much desent in the higher ranks? I would think that with situations like this happening, it would be a deep a trouble some time for the goons. When leaders can't aggree, nothing gets done.
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2006.07.16 01:38:00 -
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Yes, please pay attention to Serathu. Also Abdalion is somewhere around, he's got a pretty large banhammer now.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.16 01:38:00 -
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Remedial the Autocrat.
There's a reason that was almost a swearword in ancient Rome. Glad to see my "Goonfleet is going to rip itself apart" predictions are coming true. Those have been a bit off recently. ----
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 01:43:00 -
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Hmm. I've always seen Remedial as Goonfleet. At times he can't help himself from smacking. At other times his sense of humour is simply inspired.
It's not intentional, but since NBSI were defeated (we fought hard!) in Tenal, I've not been far from Goons.
I've killed a hundred or two of them, but I'm not in any sense of the word anything significant to goons.
What I have noticed is a lot of their names, a lot of who they are, what they do and what they are like.
And from what I've seen Remedial has done nothing except work for Goonfleet. There's Sefan and Mr Rooflez, and I'm reasonably sure they've been pleasant in local a few times when there's been a bit of good natured chat.
I should probably say I really do not like Remedial, but after spending so much time around Goonfleet, I can't help but have some respect for his dedication. It doesn't seem right to rip it all from him.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.16 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth Quick, they are distracted, flame away while they'r not looking.
I was actually over here Linkage when this thread was restored. I then spent a moment popping my eyeballs back in my head.
Please be respectful and understand the rules before posting in this thread or any other. It isn't necessary to attack others on the forums, or to perform concentrated protests in public view. We mods have a job to do, and we will do it.
If there is something you need to inquire about, mail [email protected] in the future.
By the way Lorth, I am considering an "inciting to flame" addendum to go into our warning generator system, and I am tempted to call it "To Lorth a thread is to ask people to flame".
<3
This thread has now been placed back on topic. ___
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.16 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm Hmm. I've always seen Remedial as Goonfleet. At times he can't help himself from smacking. At other times his sense of humour is simply inspired.
It's not intentional, but since NBSI were defeated (we fought hard!) in Tenal, I've not been far from Goons.
I've killed a hundred or two of them, but I'm not in any sense of the word anything significant to goons.
What I have noticed is a lot of their names, a lot of who they are, what they do and what they are like.
And from what I've seen Remedial has done nothing except work for Goonfleet. There's Sefan and Mr Rooflez, and I'm reasonably sure they've been pleasant in local a few times when there's been a bit of good natured chat.
I should probably say I really do not like Remedial, but after spending so much time around Goonfleet, I can't help but have some respect for his dedication. It doesn't seem right to rip it all from him.
The problem is that he sees Goonfleet as "his". To an extent it is, but Goonfleet is essentially the people in it, the people that group up in three-hundred man blobs and zerg some people with frigates, the people that go where they're pointed to, and because of that Goonfleet isn't his anymore. It's an established entity now in the game, and like his two nemesii in those threads point out, he's little more than a ruthless autocrat with no regard for the advice of others. Goonfleet is simply at a point where a one-man leadership is more detrimental than beneficial, no matter how "strong and dedicated" that leader is. ----
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Francois duPari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:04:00 -
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Linking interal discussions is always lame, but honestly this isnt a big deal. Leaders argue about stuff all the time. There are a lot of very big decisions to be made and ideas and personalities will clash.
It is good for goons that their leaders are putting so much into this and trying so hard to take figure out the next steps.
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:06:00 -
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I've always thought that internal discussions should remain..er..internal. --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly. |
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Francois ****ri Linking interal discussions is always lame, but honestly this isnt a big deal. Leaders argue about stuff all the time. There are a lot of very big decisions to be made and ideas and personalities will clash.
Well your right about the first point.
And to a degree about the second point as well. However, even though there are a lot of debates taking place in the directors area of the average corp, I've never seen anything that got as heated as this did. I'd also like to add, in every single sucesfull corp I know of, once someone makes a decision, the whole of the leadership supports that decision. Its called teamwork, and swallowing your pride for the good of the corp.
When situtations of like what happens in the above log, its a strong indication of trouble "a-brew'n." And a group of leaders who are as disgrunteled as these guys are, are the beginings of a major internal breakdown in most cases.
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Oliberto Stewart
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Oliberto Stewart on 16/07/2006 02:20:16 If you recall the original title of this thread , "Remedial is an assclown" etc., it's way, way too obvious that Giganticus is trying to troll.
I wonder why they would bother unlocking this? |
Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth *stuff*
The best part though is that it got leaked, and it's fun to analyze and comment on it based just on those leaked internal forum posts. It's like some sort of political voyeurism ----
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 16/07/2006 02:21:47
Originally by: Oliberto Stewart Edited by: Oliberto Stewart on 16/07/2006 02:20:16 If you recall the original title of this thread , "Remedial is an assclown" etc., it's way, way too obvious that Giganticus is trying to troll.
I wonder why they would bother unlocking this?
Because despite whatever intentions he had, it's relevant and highly amusing? Also, a large part of this getting locked was due to certain pictures and videos being linked by other posters. ----
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Amorti
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:31:00 -
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Goonfleet's director-level discussion forums and channels have been like that since day one. This is why there have been half a dozen significant directorship purges in Goonfleet's nine months of life. With over 2000 members, there are always new people willing to step up and spend a few months learning just what dealing with Remedial is like.
Early on, he was allowed to establish a cult of personality among the new recruits and this Mao-like worship coupled with the fact that the general membership so seldomly sees what a tremendously petulant child he turns into when he doesn't get his way is the only reason he's able to pull this kind of crap again and again and again.
The Protect Remedial! instinct is so great among the members who have no self respect that I would be shocked if this thread isn't spammed until locked yet again. Even now their internal forums are in a state of lockdown:
Originally by: Remedial I am tired of seeing these threads. I am tired of seeing rampant speculation. I am tired of seeing goons going on Eve-O and attempting to "avenge" the corp in a retarded way which makes us look [bad].
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This is the only warning. If you make a post that continues, exacerbates, analyzes, or has anything to do with director tensions, potential drama from the CEOship, Remedial > Hoegaarden, or any other [unpleasant stuff], you will lose all of your forum rights. This is the only warning you'll get.
The saddest thing is that this threat will silence all but a tiny handful of lonely martyrs. Remedial will remain CEO and the entire general membership will stay with him. In two months, the new lieutenants who replace those who have just been purged will either leave or be removed from the corp in turn, and some of those who left on bad terms months before will return.
Let there be no doubt: D2 will still lose their war with Goonfleet, because outside of the minor dissent at the very top thanks to conflict between the dysfunctional personalities required to want to lead a 2000 member corporation, the goons are utterly unified in purpose.
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Oliberto Stewart
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Oliberto Stewart on 16/07/2006 02:38:23 I do not see a point to this thread other than flaming
I believe several lordless members are former Goonfleet members that quit. So a third party (Lordless member) devoting a thread to "damning" private communications is obviously a flame.
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deadEd
Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:40:00 -
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It's leaked information that MAY contain information that allies and enemies alike of GS could be very much interested in. It's done with malice, but pretty much all information leaks and the like are.
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guckfoons
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Posted - 2006.07.16 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: guckfoons on 16/07/2006 02:44:36
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Lorth *stuff*
The best part though is that it got leaked, and it's fun to analyze and comment on it based just on those leaked internal forum posts. It's like some sort of political voyeurism
i thought it was quite embarassing and pathetic really. would have prefered at least some more goon sekrets revealed.
only things i gathered were:
- KIA are going to attack D2 for free [not particularly suprising, they probably want to do something "fun" and dont like D2]
- Goons hired BE [well you could look at the BE kb for today to see that. smart move though]
- Goons got the password for a YouWhat POS [hahaha...a bit more interesting]
other than that, yawn.
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Oliberto Stewart
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Posted - 2006.07.16 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: deadEd It's leaked information that MAY contain information that allies and enemies alike of GS could be very much interested in. It's done with malice, but pretty much all information leaks and the like are.
True, but posting a thread that showcases a private discussion, with the sole intent to create a DRAMABOMB sets a lousy precedent.
Or has this happened before?
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.16 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Oliberto Stewart Or has this happened before?
Unfortunately yes. ___
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Red Six
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Oliberto Stewart
Originally by: deadEd It's leaked information that MAY contain information that allies and enemies alike of GS could be very much interested in. It's done with malice, but pretty much all information leaks and the like are.
True, but posting a thread that showcases a private discussion, with the sole intent to create a DRAMABOMB sets a lousy precedent.
Or has this happened before?
Try finding some of the FA releases of CA Teamspeak meetings from 2003. This has been going on since the start of the game. Espionage is as much a part of this game as anything, get used to it.
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Trina Tron
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.16 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Trina Tron on 16/07/2006 03:34:07 I would act surprised or shocked or something but frankly I've known remedial far to long.
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Logan Williams
Super Nova Cartel
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Posted - 2006.07.16 04:27:00 -
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So lemme get this straight.......the corp and the IGA have been nothing but tools for Remedial. Because of their pride, the corp and the IGA will remain tools for Remeial.
Kids, this is what happens when an internet community allows kids to be their representatives.......elitist, twisted leadership leading to in-game hassles for all.
Stay tuned, I see a future showdown between MySpace and SA
Originally by: Deja Thoris
I find a BE rep criticizing fighting styles to be the crowning pinnacle of irony.
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deadEd
Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.16 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Williams Kids, this is what happens when an internet community allows kids to be their representatives.......elitist, twisted leadership leading to in-game hassles for all.
It depends how you look at it...that's one way, and here's another way (note: Devil's Advocate is the only language I speak past midnight)
The only real issue here is that Goonfleet/GoonWaffe were operating in one way (directors/ceo making joint decisions) while Remedial wanted it another (dictatorship, act now talk later, directors help him achieve his goals for the corp/alliance). Either one of these can be made to work, but you kind of need to choose one over the other, otherwise they clash and lead to stupidity like everyone has seen in that forum leak.
Of course it wasnt helped by the fact that there was obviously plenty of bad blood before it all came to a head, and there will be people leaving over it, it won't seriously impact Goonfleet much, mainly because of Remedial's "grab the devil by the horns" style of leadership. There's a large core of people that would easily follow anything he asked.
So yeah, there's some kicks to be had out of reading it, and its sucked for a lot of people that got unfairly trampled by it all, but its certainly not definite death or anything for Goonfleet either (but by that token, its not guaranteed to all magically work out either).
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Alaesa
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Posted - 2006.07.16 05:07:00 -
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god damm stupid forums not accepting my post.
what is sad about this is the lengths people were goign to try and hide it.
posting the sick **** to getteh threads deleted.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.16 05:09:00 -
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I'm just glad the mods allowed this thread to finally see light.
I was afraid a few immature idiots were going to keep it from going public.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.07.16 05:24:00 -
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Remedial seems to be cool. Action is more important than rules and while both sides were unable to admit their (obvious) mistakes, at least he had results to justify his actions.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 05:45:00 -
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rofl
<3 for goons
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Tuijabird
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Posted - 2006.07.16 05:49:00 -
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Wow did everyone else miss the part of sparta dying and goon worrying about themselfs? Great allies I guess was rooting for sparta too in this. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
A rolling stone gathers no moss
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Liet Traep
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 05:57:00 -
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E-R has a policy of not commenting on things that happen in the coprs and alliances section. So I will refrain from commenting and instead munch on some popcorn and watch the drama.
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DeltaH
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 06:33:00 -
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I thought Remedials post were hilarious. Come on ... the picard line is golden.
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Kaldaine
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Posted - 2006.07.16 06:38:00 -
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The only surprising thing to anyone who knows the Goonfleet directorate are the people Rem ****ed off. Cefte, Hoe and Neccette are some of the best directors that GF has and some of the people who worked the hardest for them. They are very levelheaded and extremely dedicated.
Really its not that big a deal. This is one of the few times it has reached such an extreme point but for the most part the directors yell at each other and call each other names as much as possible. I doubt anyone else in this thread has any clue what its like to run a medium/large corp let alone a 2k+ member alliance. I would be more dissapointed if they didnt wonder whether/not SPARTA would hold up and how they would come out of it if they didnt.
Goonfleet is not run like an ordinary alliance. The directors work to keep everyone happy as much as they possibly can. They debate endlessly and work extremely hard so the members have as much fun as possible. The logistics involved in doing anything in an alliance that size are incredible. New techniques have to be thought up frequently to combat the enormous disadvantages and odds that are stacked against them. How to overcome low SP, member ambivalence, few FCs, logistics, lack of capships etc. Most FC's and directors do not even have 6 million SP. Let that sink in. A majority of the people running the corp would have trouble getting into many 0.0 alliances.
Yet Goonfleet is able to set up logistics for 1500 people in a system 20-30 jumps away within a day or two and fight an effective war. Outfitting 1500 pilots who dont have corp hangar access with frigates is no small task. Keeping them outfitted is even worse.
Running such a corp is an extreme challenge and some of the decisions that are made are bitterly contested. To make much of this is foolish and to underestimate Goonfleet even worse.
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Happydayz
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.16 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amorti Goonfleet's director-level discussion forums and channels have been like that since day one. This is why there have been half a dozen significant directorship purges in Goonfleet's nine months of life. With over 2000 members, there are always new people willing to step up and spend a few months learning just what dealing with Remedial is like.
This was perhaps my biggest beef with what remedial was saying. There was also the part somewhere in it where he basically said that he didn't care if senior level directors quit because he could always pull more people up from the ranks who would love to do the job.
I really don't care what sort of activity you are engaged in, such disregard for your subordinates is truly horrendous leadership. Even if the statement is factually correct (which it almost certainly is) making such a statement is just an idiotic thing to do and probably the worst thing you would want to say when trying to run a huge corporation. The larger the corporation the more delegation is necessary in order for it to run smoothly, and the more you delegate the more you need to have trust and faith in those that you delegate authority to. Calling them all basically expendable peons is hardly the way to get that accomplished.
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Ajaya
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.16 07:11:00 -
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First, the Picard / Deanna Troi quote was simply, freaking amazing. My corp got such a laugh over that it is imo, a classic. So true it is, and I got just a little bit more respect for Remedial for that than I had before :D
One thing to remember about GF, is that they are a culture and a community seperate from the majority of those who play eve. They are a rather excitable and outrageous group of people, so the conversations you saw there were not as unbelievable or outside of the norm for them as you'd think. I kinda know, we've got several Ex-GF in our corp, most (all?) of which were some of the original directors of that corp, and the stories they've relayed make this post seem like just any other day.
Though, one problem I do see with Rem's abusive behavior at times, is that he is alienating and driving out people who are compitent, and good at what they do. I was sure the day I agreed that we would let Leo McGary into our corp was a day that would mark the beginning of the end for my stay in CONIN. However, the guy has become both an asset to our corp in many ways, and also a great guy to hang out with. The other GF that we've let in have at times, been a bit "retarded" due to their GF roots, they've definately met our expectations for any of our members and some have excelled beyond our expectations.
It's truely, for GF, a sad thing that they lost those capable leaders, and that they do have these "purges" and have to keep replacing them with less experienced, and possibly less qualified people.
All in all though, one thing you can gather from this post is the behind the scenes scheming that these guys do. One thing I will always know regardless of how often they have surprised me, I could never trust Remedial or GF leadership in it's current form. They thrive on scheming and manipulating allies and situations for their own gain. While it's probably fun to roleplay that, the problem is eventually you get a lot of enemies, and you can then only hope you're strong enough to fight them all. |
Mystiel Raleigh
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.16 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mystiel Raleigh on 16/07/2006 07:20:50
Originally by: Ajaya
Though, one problem I do see with Rem's abusive behavior at times, is that he is alienating and driving out people who are compitent, and good at what they do. I was sure the day I agreed that we would let Leo McGary into our corp was a day that would mark the beginning of the end for my stay in CONIN. However, the guy has become both an asset to our corp in many ways, and also a great guy to hang out with. The other GF that we've let in have at times, been a bit "retarded" due to their GF roots, they've definately met our expectations for any of our members and some have excelled beyond our expectations.
What? Leo is a tool!
The best part about this is people (Azaeren) posting my personal info (home address and cell phone number) on the GF forums that they got from a WHOIS simply for hosting the site in the original post (I'm just the host, I didn't acquire the files myself.) I'm obviously not worried about people driving by and taking pictures of my house, but it's pretty pathetic. The internet is to be taken very seriously!
Although I've had a couple of nice chats with GF guys over the phone since then, so it isn't all bad, I suppose.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 09:24:00 -
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Theres a thread bout the XZH situation in the german eo forums, and ppl became pretty angry bout This picture.
not only do they obviously cheat (simply not hunted by ccp cause they cant prove it, as stated by them), but seeing himself as ******/Fnhrer is beyond any joke.
just for that reason u deserve to get ur arse kicked remedial. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 09:31:00 -
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I'd totally vote for Remedial dudes.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: guckfoons Edited by: guckfoons on 16/07/2006 02:46:34
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Lorth *stuff*
The best part though is that it got leaked, and it's fun to analyze and comment on it based just on those leaked internal forum posts. It's like some sort of political voyeurism
i thought it was quite embarassing and pathetic really. would have prefered at least some more goon sekrets revealed.
only things i gathered were:
- KIA are going to attack D2 for free [not particularly amazing, they probably want to do something "fun" and dont like D2]
- Goons hired BE [well you could look at the BE kb for today and see that. smart move though]
- Goons got the password for a YouWhat POS [hahaha...a bit more interesting]
other than that, yawn.
They also tried to attack branch with posses (like always in US timezone, outside of it, they rarely do anything) and failed miserably
However, respect to their stubborness, they still dont wanna admit, that they are losing this war and still hire alliances and corps like mad --------------------------------
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DrRockIT
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 09:49:00 -
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Hmm within those Logs there are postings about sharing Remidials account to use the Carrier for refuling POSs.
Heres what Eula says:
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited. "
Shouldnt that force CCP to do something?
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/07/2006 09:54:26
Originally by: DrRockIT ...
I suggest that you delete your post at once... --------------------------------
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Kin Hanyerec
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Theres a thread bout the XZH situation in the german eo forums, and ppl became pretty angry bout This picture.
not only do they obviously cheat (simply not hunted by ccp cause they cant prove it, as stated by them), but seeing himself as ******/Fnhrer is beyond any joke.
just for that reason u deserve to get ur arse kicked remedial.
Rextor, since the picture is on the player client, Remedial may have nothing to do with the choice of the picture associated to his name.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Theres a thread bout the XZH situation in the german eo forums, and ppl became pretty angry bout This picture.
not only do they obviously cheat (simply not hunted by ccp cause they cant prove it, as stated by them), but seeing himself as ******/Fnhrer is beyond any joke.
just for that reason u deserve to get ur arse kicked remedial.
Rextor, since the picture is on the player client, Remedial may have nothing to do with the choice of the picture associated to his name.
I still dont get it why this isnt an exploit and a petitioned "stuck in warp" dread is considered as one. --------------------------------
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Goonfleet Forums I don't know who's saying that allying with SPARTA is bad, but it does take a whole bunch of otherwise 'safe' space and make it wacky and crazy for D2. They can't rely on their vassals, and the whole region is now plunged into turmoil.
Turmoil is awesome for us. There will be even more when/if ORC leaves SPARTA because they don't want to fight D2, and then civil war will likely break out. But that will require still more attention and effort by D2 and MC, while BE and us ass*****them and take their regions.
At the end of the day, chaos in Dek and the North is awesome for us, as it keeps our foes wrong-footed. The feeling of being out of control and impotent is one of the reasons why D2 is having problems mustering fleets against us; if we keep them reeling like this, they'll disintegrate as the internal strife between their carebears and their pvpers is exacerbated.
tl;dr: chaos good, d2 bad.
Edit: If SPARTA has civil war we will be blameless if MC and D2 crush them, they'll be too busy blaming former NFC and FLA corps for their travails, they won't think twice about us.
See, Sparta, you made the wrong choice. We may not have helped you enough in terms of defence sometimes, but we certainly never ever wanted to stab you in the back or abandon you.
A little bit more time and diplomatic effort would have been all that was needed (granted i wasnt online due to a lung collapse in RL).
Its still not to late. Contact me ingame if you want to talk. --------------------------------
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Bippa
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Its still not to late. Contact me ingame if you want to talk.
Getting desperate? Give it up, every corp/alliance has these types of discussions about possible/potential allies. I am sure the Sparta leadership board went something like "ally with noobfleet? YEAH RIGHT!"
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Dhinnd
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
However, respect to their stubborness, they still dont wanna admit, that they are losing this war and still hire alliances and corps like mad
Losing how?
Even if YW rejoined D2 tomorrow you are would be out numbered in POS in XZH and will quite probably never now dig the goons out at this point.
Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.
Of course the wider war between the two lines of alliances that are rapidly drawing up has just begun in Deklien. I dont think hiring merc corps is bad, many do it (like you know IRONŕ), you guys have RISE raiding syndicate (who I donĆt think have quite thought the consequences of GS being forced out of the north too thoroughly..), plus RAZOR, IRON and all those "D2 friendly" corps and alliances.
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
See, Sparta, you made the wrong choice
How do you figure. Assuming you have the ability to read and comprehend those chat logs, seems to me some of the GF directors were cautious about the SPARTA situation, and Remedial was 100% behind throwing everything into that war should it become the focal point of D2 + friends efforts. Since Remedial is the one left standing after all this drama, I think its fair to say GS will now back SPARTA to the hilt for this war.
Also, something to consider. When D2 first came into XZH to try and force GS out, NFC and SPARTA turned out in force to support.
NFC were camping in 9-4 the entrance to XZH with 50-60 man fleets, and SPARTA were fighting inside the system with dread support fleets.
D2 must have known IRON planned to waltz back into Deklien when their preparation was ready and order a ôweĆre taking over again ******!ö decree.
I donĆt think then that the allies that had come and for days supported you fighting in your war were pleased that your policy on this development turned out to be ômeh. WeĆll ignore it and ally with the winner.ö
Although I may be being a bit generous to you there. DidnĆt take much of an excuse to set NFC -10 did it?
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Ka'lon Rain
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:04:00 -
[46]
JHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have fun with that one goons, Remedial is signing your own request to be euthanised.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:17:00 -
[47]
Originally by: deadEd Of course it wasnt helped by the fact that there was obviously plenty of bad blood before it all came to a head, and there will be people leaving over it, it won't seriously impact Goonfleet much, mainly because of Remedial's "grab the devil by the horns" style of leadership. There's a large core of people that would easily follow anything he asked.
POS don't need leadership, they need fuel. Welcome to Alliance Warfare 2.0
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Laythun
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:38:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Laythun on 16/07/2006 13:39:36
Originally by: Dhinnd
would be out numbered in POS in XZH and will quite probably never now dig the goons out at this point.
Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.
Sonny, the war is not just for 1 system..you'd do well to learn a little bit of warfare and 0.0 tactics.
Originally by: Dhinnd
How do you figure. Assuming you have the ability to read and comprehend those chat logs, seems to me some of the GF directors were cautious about the SPARTA situation, and Remedial was 100% behind throwing everything into that war should it become the focal point of D2 + friends efforts. Since Remedial is the one left standing after all this drama, I think its fair to say GS will now back SPARTA to the hilt for this war.
*sigh* theres much you dont obviously understand. irrespective of whether they want to throw there whole force behind sparta, they will still fall. We have no tolerance for shi!ting in our backyard tbh.
[EDIT] post with your main or not at all.
See You In Space Cowboy |
Dhinnd
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:44:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Dhinnd on 16/07/2006 13:45:24
Originally by: Laythun
Sonny, the war is not just for 1 system..you'd do well to learn a little bit of warfare and 0.0 tactics.
Originally by: Dhinnd
How do you figure. Assuming you have the ability to read and comprehend those chat logs, seems to me some of the GF directors were cautious about the SPARTA situation, and Remedial was 100% behind throwing everything into that war should it become the focal point of D2 + friends efforts. Since Remedial is the one left standing after all this drama, I think its fair to say GS will now back SPARTA to the hilt for this war.
*sigh* theres much you dont obviously understand. irrespective of whether they want to throw there whole force behind sparta, they will still fall. No tolerance for ****!ing in the backyard tbh.
Well apart from the refinery system, its the system with all the resources in it...
I think you're being slightly premature calling SPARTA dead buddy. You dont learn do you. If you couldnt take GS by themselves with the help of razor and half a dozen of your little friendly alliances, I wouldnt call GS, SPARTA and ALEK vs you, IRON and the MC quite a forgone conclusion just yet.
Now lets stop the smack that Woodlouse started (again).
[EDIT] No how about I dont.
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TheKiller8
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:45:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Remedial Yeah but that "making everybody feel welcome" is bullSHIP. Corporations and militaries aren't run by Deanna Troy, they're run by Captain FRAKing Picard.
LMAO
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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:50:00 -
[51]
hmm interesting thread...
.. I don't know much about Goonfleet and I don't know much about Remedial either... but the goonies are giving D2 a good run for their money... so Remedial and Goons must be doing something right.
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geewiz
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.16 13:59:00 -
[52]
Edited by: geewiz on 16/07/2006 13:59:32 Wow interesting read, all I can say is if I was a SPARTA guy reading that I would be more than concerned as it is pretty clear you guys are being used as pawns and a meatshield and GS really don't get a rat's ass whether you survive or not.
With friends like that....
Gee
PS Remedial is on a major power trip lol
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Yokohead
Supremacy
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Posted - 2006.07.16 14:21:00 -
[53]
Reposting (and hosting) since the other site's bandwidth crashed out:
GoonDrama - REHOSTED URL
Have fun.
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Laythun
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 14:31:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Dhinnd
Well apart from the refinery system, its the system with all the resources in it...
Your not READING or COMPREHENDING what im saying. XZH is NOT the only system this war is about. keep focusing on your one minor success (heh well not so much a success now)
Originally by: Dhinnd
I think you're being slightly premature calling SPARTA dead buddy. You dont learn do you. If you couldnt take GS by themselves with the help of razor and half a dozen of your little friendly alliances, I wouldnt call GS, SPARTA and ALEK vs you, IRON and the MC quite a forgone conclusion just yet.
Oh and please please read my posts, i didnt say sparta were dead, i specifically said no matter what GS do, they will fall. understand? your meatshield wont last foever no matter how much u think u can prop it up with silly suicide fleets.
Now im tired of replying to an alt without the ballz to back up his statements with his main.
Im off to the front.
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:00:00 -
[55]
Wow. :(
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Kryztal
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:02:00 -
[56]
ugh back to the logs,
How anyone would work woth this guy (remedial) is beyond me o.O like omg. An utter disgrace as a leader you just dont act like that. A good CEO cares about his corp, its members and the directors, the mission comes second.
Im just happy to have the great CEO that I have, not a giant egomanical *beep* like remedial obviously is.
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Daxes
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:21:00 -
[57]
every leader is (must be) an egomanic, the only difference here is that remidial doesnt have problems with showing it. :o
Im maybe the enemy of goons but seriously every alliance can be glad if they have someone with such a passion for his alliance. This often results in such "dramas" but u cant blame him for not caring about his alliance and a good leader has to care about the whole thing first and after that u can think about individuals. There are very few strong leaders out there and those are never likely to win a most loved contest.
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Chenister
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:24:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: guckfoons Edited by: guckfoons on 16/07/2006 02:46:34
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Lorth *stuff*
The best part though is that it got leaked, and it's fun to analyze and comment on it based just on those leaked internal forum posts. It's like some sort of political voyeurism
i thought it was quite embarassing and pathetic really. would have prefered at least some more goon sekrets revealed.
only things i gathered were:
- KIA are going to attack D2 for free [not particularly amazing, they probably want to do something "fun" and dont like D2]
- Goons hired BE [well you could look at the BE kb for today and see that. smart move though]
- Goons got the password for a YouWhat POS [hahaha...a bit more interesting]
other than that, yawn.
They also tried to attack branch with posses (like always in US timezone, outside of it, they rarely do anything) and failed miserably
However, respect to their stubborness, they still dont wanna admit, that they are losing this war and still hire alliances and corps like mad
I heard that they put those poses up in i-u for lol value to guage your reaction to them.
Last time I checked the map, goons still had sov over xzh. But you didn't want that system, right? So you've lost a system you didn't want, and declare that you've won a war that was over nothing? Talk about tooting your own horn =P
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Tuijabird
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:52:00 -
[59]
I love the fact that the only info of goons doing anything at all in this war is from alts. Check the killboards, when D2 is not warping into a death star pos goon don't want to rumble. When they choose to they have all advantages and still lose badly. However putting pos's up in us time means they are doing something right.. then yay for their pos spammage. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
A rolling stone gathers no moss
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ispyon u
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:54:00 -
[60]
I haven't checked today, but yesturday when I was on there was no sov in XZH
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 16:23:00 -
[61]
what a mess -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.16 16:23:00 -
[62]
Its forums like that which make me really appreciate what a decent, mature corporation and alliance I am a part of.
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neccette
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 16:52:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Tuijabird I love the fact that the only info of goons doing anything at all in this war is from alts.
The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums.
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.16 16:58:00 -
[64]
Originally by: neccette
Originally by: Tuijabird I love the fact that the only info of goons doing anything at all in this war is from alts.
The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums.
No offence, but having a bunch of obvious goon alts posting on nearly every single thread, makes you look like a bunch of muppets. Take that as smack if you want, but its really honest negative critisism.
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Jonny Damordred
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:01:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Dhinnd Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.
Two pieces of advice: 1.) Wars are not won or lost in a matter of weeks. 2.) Wars are not over until the other side is completely killed off.
Cheers, Jonny D.
-- BNC: Good boys doing bad things --
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neccette
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:08:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: neccette
Originally by: Tuijabird I love the fact that the only info of goons doing anything at all in this war is from alts.
The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums.
No offence, but having a bunch of obvious goon alts posting on nearly every single thread, makes you look like a bunch of muppets. Take that as smack if you want, but its really honest negative critisism.
I agree. I roll my eye whenever I see an alt post about goonfleet. But like it matters to me now, I'm moving the last of my stuff out of Syndicate before accepting the offer from my new corp.
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:09:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Cringeley on 16/07/2006 17:09:42
Originally by: Lorth No offence, but having a bunch of obvious goon alts posting on nearly every single thread, makes you look like a bunch of muppets. Take that as smack if you want, but its really honest negative critisism.
It could be worse, we could have Tuijabird posting for us.
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:24:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Sarmaul on 16/07/2006 17:27:12 For some reason, when I read those files all I could think of was this image.
Edit: Buggered url
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - |
Ast3r0iD
Maranwethial Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:38:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 16/07/2006 17:27:12 For some reason, when I read those files all I could think of was this image.
Edit: Buggered url
Not only does this image contain bad language but its dorgoatory to people with special needs, and so belittles us. Plus I ruined my keyboard when pepsi came outa my nose.
WTB: T2 sunshine bus for the tards to dribble on
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:42:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 16/07/2006 17:27:12 For some reason, when I read those files all I could think of was this image.
Edit: Buggered url
It's amazing you should pick that image. I knew JRR years ago, when he first made it and posted it at the somethingawful forums.
And of course its eternal truth lives on :)
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Leena Lee
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Posted - 2006.07.16 17:47:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Originally by: Dhinnd Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.
Two pieces of advice: 1.) Wars are not won or lost in a matter of weeks. 2.) Wars are not over until the other side is completely killed off.
Cheers, Jonny D.
By that logic, no war has even been won in Eve.
It's about achieving the goals you set out to achieve, or stopping the enemy from achieving their goals.
According to previous threads, goons only got sov by luck and D2 didn't want the region anyway, they just wanted to kill goons since they smacked in the first cloud ring thread. So I guess without goals, noone can win and noone can lose. (did goons lose sov btw?) Now it's just a mess tho
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:03:00 -
[72]
Edited by: HippoKing on 16/07/2006 18:03:52 dw
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Shimpu
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:04:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Shimpu on 16/07/2006 18:04:26
Originally by: Ka'lon Rain JHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have fun with that one goons, Remedial is signing your own request to be euthanised.
Another top noth post from a (goon?) alt. Keep up the good work!
Originally by: Unknown Scout "ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming." |
Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 16/07/2006 17:27:12 For some reason, when I read those files all I could think of was this image.
Edit: Buggered url
It's amazing you should pick that image. I knew JRR years ago, when he first made it and posted it at the somethingawful forums.
And of course its eternal truth lives on :)
I was hoping some of the older SA members in GF would get the significance :)
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - |
garth meldara
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:12:00 -
[75]
Funny as hell.
BTW Did anybody notice that remedial is apparently sharing his account with Cefte?
Wasn't that a bannable offense once upon a time? I honestly can't remember.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:15:00 -
[76]
Greetings, drama thread!
I am the Mittani, director in charge of mysterious and naughty things at Goonswarm. I run our intelligence agency and am represented by a picture of Dr. Strangelove on our internal forums, and sometimes I am represented by a picture of Dr. Strangelove with a pancake on his head. It is a difficult burden, but I bear it with pride!
As you can tell from our director discussion, I am 'mildly' ruthless about politics in Eve, and I always analyze our moves in terms of the worst case scenario. Some of you seem to think that my statements regarding a worst-case SPARTA situation reflect a distaste for SPARTA, but this is not so.
Personally, I am interested only in the reality of our situation and our bottom line. An analysis must show both the best-case scenario and the worst case; a director had apparently questioned our alliance with SPARTA, and I demonstrated that even in the worst situation it served our interests. Alas, some people in this game think that espionage and realpolitik shouldn't be a part of our lovely game of internet spaceships. Yet some see it as it truly is: a legitimate aspect of warfare.
So please don't be offended, dear easily-offended enemies of Goonswarm and potentially-worried allies of Goonswarm; I have made projections about what would happen if any of your alliances collapsed in a variety of terrible situations. It is my job to do so, after all. Yet I have also spent time analysing what would happen if your alliances won all your conflicts, kicked a ton of ass, and how that would impact Goonswarm; that too is my job.
I think it should be blindingly obvious to even the most dense of political analysts that a strong SPARTA serves Goonswarm's interests much more than a weak or defeated SPARTA, and I am extraordinarily pleased to see our pilots flying alongside SPARTA and fighting D2.
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Jonny Damordred
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:16:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Leena Lee
By that logic, no war has even been won in Eve.
Sure they have.
Originally by: Leena Lee
It's about achieving the goals you set out to achieve, or stopping the enemy from achieving their goals.
According to previous threads, goons only got sov by luck and D2 didn't want the region anyway, they just wanted to kill goons since they smacked in the first cloud ring thread. So I guess without goals, noone can win and noone can lose. (did goons lose sov btw?) Now it's just a mess tho
Anything less than a battle to the death is just a skirmish. Only time will tell if the goonies have ****ed off D2 enough to turn their little tiff into a real war.
Cheers, Jonny D.
-- BNC: Good boys doing bad things --
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.16 18:17:00 -
[78]
Originally by: garth meldara Funny as hell.
BTW Did anybody notice that remedial is apparently sharing his account with Cefte?
Wasn't that a bannable offense once upon a time? I honestly can't remember.
It still is, but CCP don't do anything except log the IP. When someone starts doing stuff against the EULA on that account, any IPs linked to it are investigated, and more often than not any accounts linked to those IPs are banned.
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - |
Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:04:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Lorth
No offence, but having a bunch of obvious goon alts posting on nearly every single thread, makes you look like a bunch of muppets. Take that as smack if you want, but its really honest negative critisism.
Please stop trolling every thread about Goonfleet, or our allies.
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Laythun
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:19:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Originally by: Lorth
No offence, but having a bunch of obvious goon alts posting on nearly every single thread, makes you look like a bunch of muppets. Take that as smack if you want, but its really honest negative critisism.
Please stop trolling every thread about Goonfleet, or our allies.
thats an opinion. as valid as yours. and yes the stupid goon alts r annoying. u lose credability every time one of them posts.
See You In Space Cowboy |
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:24:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Chenister
Last time I checked the map, goons still had sov over xzh. But you didn't want that system, right? So you've lost a system you didn't want, and declare that you've won a war that was over nothing? Talk about tooting your own horn =P
1. CR is supposed to go to YW and we still care about it, cause they are our close allies.
2. Nope, no Sov atm.
3. We havent won this war, we are in the progress to do so.
4. First: Use brain - Second: Post in thread --------------------------------
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:24:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Originally by: Lorth
No offence, but having a bunch of obvious goon alts posting on nearly every single thread, makes you look like a bunch of muppets. Take that as smack if you want, but its really honest negative critisism.
Please stop trolling every thread about Goonfleet, or our allies.
After the performance of obvious Goon alts in this forum late lastnight you have no room to talk.
Eve Blacklight Style
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deadEd
Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:24:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Jonny Damordred Anything less than a battle to the death is just a skirmish. Only time will tell if the goonies have ****ed off D2 enough to turn their little tiff into a real war
Conquerable space is being exchanged and capital ships are being killed. What else would it take to be come a real war?
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:25:00 -
[84]
Originally by: deadEd
Originally by: Jonny Damordred Anything less than a battle to the death is just a skirmish. Only time will tell if the goonies have ****ed off D2 enough to turn their little tiff into a real war
Conquerable space is being exchanged and capital ships are being killed. What else would it take to be come a real war?
More than a couple of weeks.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:25:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Laythun
thats an opinion. as valid as yours. and yes the stupid goon alts r annoying. u lose credability every time one of them posts.
I don't think you'll have to worry about "Goon Alts" post anymore. We are now allowed to post on the forums. So if you see someone posting under a "Goon Alt", it isn't one of us. Unless you see Goonswarm next to the name, treat it like any other alt.
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:27:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Blacklight
After the performance of obvious Goon alts in this forum late lastnight you have no room to talk.
Please note we are allowed to post on this forum, so if it doesn't say "Goonswarm" next to our name, it isn't from us.
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Emno
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:28:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Originally by: Blacklight
After the performance of obvious Goon alts in this forum late lastnight you have no room to talk.
Please note we are allowed to post on this forum, so if it doesn't say "Goonswarm" next to our name, it isn't from us.
lol sure
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:32:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Originally by: Blacklight
After the performance of obvious Goon alts in this forum late lastnight you have no room to talk.
Please note we are allowed to post on this forum, so if it doesn't say "Goonswarm" next to our name, it isn't from us.
Riiiiiiiight.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:38:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Originally by: Blacklight
After the performance of obvious Goon alts in this forum late lastnight you have no room to talk.
Please note we are allowed to post on this forum, so if it doesn't say "Goonswarm" next to our name, it isn't from us.
lololol --------------------------------
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:39:00 -
[90]
Wow, thats some heavy drama
Any other alliances run like this?
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Laythun
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:42:00 -
[91]
Originally by: HippoKing Wow, thats some heavy drama
Any other alliances run like this?
Come on HK. page 3!?
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Doragee
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:44:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Please note we are allowed to post on this forum,
OMG...what's next? Will you be actually allowed to play EvE online after all?? --
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Zarimax Mishka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:47:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
1. CR is supposed to go to YW and we still care about it, cause they are our close allies.
2. Nope, no Sov atm.
3. We havent won this war, we are in the progress to do so.
4. 3 Large Posses fully equipped for value? Strange that they used hordes of Ospreys to refill their shields.
5. First: Use brain - Second: Post in thread
Re #2 - I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here. Are you saying "No, goons don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime" or are you saying "No, D2 and YouWhat don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime but that's not important"?
IĆd just like to clarify this point for our readers.
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Whiskey Juvenile
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:52:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Whiskey Juvenile on 16/07/2006 19:53:23
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse lololol
In this thread one of your members says otherwise:
"The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums."
This policy has changed. I am responsible for policing GoonFleet/GoonWaffe posting to ensure its quality.
edit: Specifically, the directorship of Goonfleet has decided that having untracable alt posters attempt to represent us without our consent isn't fair either to us or to anyone who wants to know our publically stated positions.
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:56:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse lololol
In this thread one of your members says otherwise:
"The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums."
necette was quite correct, at the time the statement was made. the policy has now been overturned.
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CaptainButts
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:57:00 -
[96]
Edited by: CaptainButts on 16/07/2006 19:57:09
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/07/2006 19:45:58
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Originally by: Blacklight
After the performance of obvious Goon alts in this forum late lastnight you have no room to talk.
Please note we are allowed to post on this forum, so if it doesn't say "Goonswarm" next to our name, it isn't from us.
lololol
In this thread one of your members says otherwise:
"The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums."
the policy just changed, like, two hours ago.
ps if it doesn't say goonswarm next to my name it should dammit ___________________________________________ if you think what a lil old bee like me posts is any official manifestation of corporate or director policies you're pretty dumb or something |
Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:59:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Exioce
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse lololol
In this thread one of your members says otherwise:
"The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums."
necette was quite correct, at the time the statement was made. the policy has now been overturned.
That is, at least, a step in the right direction.
I do however predict that Remedial, unless he adjusts his attitude to both the eve community and indeed to the pilots of goonfleet, will be the cause of your own destruction. Something he claims, at least, that he wishes to avoid.
Time to learn some people skills if he's insistent on being the CEO.
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:59:00 -
[98]
Originally by: CaptainButts
"The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums."
the policy just changed, like, two hours ago.
ps if it doesn't say goonswarm next to my name it should dammit
You'll have to change your settings, it's on the left under forums.
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:05:00 -
[99]
This thread is AWESOME. I liked the part where the giant robot squid launched missiles at us!
Also, The downside of being the nice director that doesnt get involved in debate means i dont get any fame during an exposT.
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Deviana Sevidon
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:08:00 -
[100]
Nothing personal Stahlregen. But your Sig is flashing a bit to much, and makes it difficult to concentrate on what you wrote.
Changing this would be appreciated.
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:09:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Stahlregen This thread is AWESOME. I liked the part where the giant robot squid launched missiles at us!
Also, The downside of being the nice director that doesnt get involved in debate means i dont get any fame during an exposT.
i like your avatar though, it's like mine but more silver.
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Won Ton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:10:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Nothing personal Stahlregen. But your Sig is flashing a bit to much, and makes it difficult to concentrate on what you wrote.
Changing this would be appreciated.
Entirely unintentional, I assure you. Hello internet!
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Fetor
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:12:00 -
[103]
Goon spam now?
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:15:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Fetor Goonfleet will be gone soon.
if you only knew how many times we've all moved back to Jita to mine Veldspar you'd too.
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Minhjaal
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:15:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
Since we're allowed to post here now does that mean we can mock alt posters ourselves?
Hrm. I'll pass on the chance, I suppose.
Anyway. We had a couple of directors leave and go elsewhere, nothing more, and they're still on friendly terms. Should they ever wish to come back, I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms. That's far from "a lot", like you said. ---------------------------------------------- My views and opinions in this post are my own and in no way reflect those of my corporation or alliance. |
CaptainButts
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:15:00 -
[106]
Edited by: CaptainButts on 16/07/2006 20:14:52
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
A lot of goons are happy to be able to post so they're going to post, I'm sure it'll settle down soon enough. But uh, we're not really falling apart man. Seriously. ___________________________________________ if you think what a lil old bee like me posts is any official manifestation of corporate or director policies you're pretty dumb or something |
Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:16:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
Doubt it, but thanks for your concern.
My views are mine and do not represent the views or policies of my corp or alliance. |
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:16:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Exioce
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse lololol
In this thread one of your members says otherwise:
"The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums."
necette was quite correct, at the time the statement was made. the policy has now been overturned.
That is, at least, a step in the right direction.
I do however predict that Remedial, unless he adjusts his attitude to both the eve community and indeed to the pilots of goonfleet, will be the cause of your own destruction. Something he claims, at least, that he wishes to avoid.
Time to learn some people skills if he's insistent on being the CEO.
Psh, Because the goonfleet pilots dont already love him to death and want him round for dinner every night, right? I think you missed the entire point of the thread.
Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.
Also, Its not nescercarily Remedial's attitude to the rest of eve thats the problem, Just by reading the logs you can see that he was the one pushing the hardest to support and assist those not allied with d2. Other than getting him confused with one of the other directors that were discussing worst case scenarios for our allies im not too sure what you even mean by saying that he needs to adjust his attitude to the community.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:17:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Grayton on 16/07/2006 20:21:56 Now that we're allowed to post, I'll try my hand at posting something that won't end up getting me fined. The whole "my views are not expressive of the leadership or membership of goonswarm etc etc" thing too.
This forum is a forum for propaganda, pure and simple. Each post by whatever side is simply there to bolster their own side while making the other side look weak and pathetic. I have rarely, if ever, seen any "unbiased" posts made by anyone in this forum. However, this is what war and conflict is like; propaganda to try and gain an advantage over the enemy. It's foolish to think that this shouldn't happen in a game that emulates real life politics so greatly.
Because of this, I have been extremely happy that we had a "no posting on Eve-O" rule, as I'd hate to see our membership devolve into posting propaganda of our own in these threads. If you could only see some of our forums, and some of our threads, that are nothing but pure and utter anger at the posts we sometimes see because they contain such untrue facts (I'm not calling anyone liars- just that there are always two sides to a story, and just because the other side thinks we were doing something for a certain reason, DOES NOT mean we were actually doing it for that reason); yet we cannot do anything about these posts because of the no posting rule.
This is why the alt posters pop up; the people that just can't stand seeing us not being represented and take it upon themselves to do something about it. I should, however, emphasize the fact that they take it upon themselves. They are not acting on behalf of Goonswarm and they are not necessarily posting with the opinions of Goonswarm. In fact, if you could see our forums, you would know that most of the membership of the forums despised the alt posters and wished they could be easily found out so that they could be heavily fined for making themselves seem to represent Goonswarm when they really don't.
In a way, alt posters are like the WCS of the forums. They can be extremely annoying and extremely hard to catch (especially if you've got the T2 Alt Posting module like some of the alts on this forum do). To tie this entire thing together, saying that these alt posters represent Goonswarm and making decisions based on them is just part of the same forums propaganda machine- it's just trying to make us look weak. No serious decisions should ever be made based on alt posters, because of the fact the alt posters, despite what one may think, do not represent us, never have represented us, and never will represent us.
(oh god please don't fine me goonswarm directors I love you all)
(edit: wow like an entire page popped up since I started writing this oh god goon rush) |
Fetor
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:19:00 -
[110]
Dont you pawns realise your being used as PR? lol...
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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:20:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
We are now allowed to post on the forums. So if you see someone posting under a "Goon Alt", it isn't one of us. Unless you see Goonswarm next to the name, treat it like any other alt.
... LOL... can anybody else hear the stampede of goon membership as they hit the EvE-O forums?... expect server crash in 3, 2, 1....
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:21:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
There has always been strife at the top, and this is the same in most MMOs. You try running a 2500 man alliance that is swiftly reaching into conquerable space much faster than it expected to, with a directorate packed with hyperaggressive alpha males, many of whom are attorneys. So, we bicker. And this time it got leaked. And?
SKY FALLING VELDSPAR JITA OH GOD
You don't understand our psychology at all. Until you figure out what we mean when we say 'skulls for the skull throne', you'll still be scratching your head as our bees swarm over you, heedless of their losses, dying gloriously for Dear Leader. We get off on this kind of thing, and it seems like half of the galaxy is still unable to grasp this basic fact.
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Minhjaal
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:21:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Fetor Dont you pawns realise your being used as PR? lol...
Be that as it may, who has more credibility? Us posting on our mains, or you, hiding behind an alt? Zatch said it... ---------------------------------------------- My views and opinions in this post are my own and in no way reflect those of my corporation or alliance. |
Whiskey Juvenile
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:23:00 -
[114]
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
There has always been strife at the top, and this is the same in most MMOs. You try running a 2500 man alliance that is swiftly reaching into conquerable space much faster than it expected to, with a directorate packed with hyperaggressive alpha males, many of whom are attorneys. So, we bicker. And this time it got leaked. And?
SKY FALLING VELDSPAR JITA OH GOD
You don't understand our psychology at all. Until you figure out what we mean when we say 'skulls for the skull throne', you'll still be scratching your head as our bees swarm over you, heedless of their losses, dying gloriously for Dear Leader. We get off on this kind of thing, and it seems like half of the galaxy is still unable to grasp this basic fact.
Seriously. It's like the only requirement for directorship in GF is that you're sitting for the bar within the year.
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Zorlag
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:24:00 -
[115]
Goons as a whole originate from a messageboard community so this stampede is to be expected.
I for one hope this will work out well and that we, as a community, will be able to express ourselves.
I'd also like to take the time to express my gratitude to D2 for putting up some excellent fights.
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CaptainButts
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:25:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Fetor Dont you pawns realise your being used as PR? lol...
you're right man we're all sheeple we will throw up our chains and have a proletarian revolt and install a goonunist government
people are a lot more credible on their mains man, and now that we're doing it too, well...
on a lighter note, poitot is the only named system in syndicate ___________________________________________ if you think what a lil old bee like me posts is any official manifestation of corporate or director policies you're pretty dumb or something |
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:25:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
Oh man, let me dig up some statistics.
June 17 membership total: 1889 July 17 membership total: 2280
400 new pilots in 1 month isn't too bad for a single corporation i would think, and we arn't even in the process of active recruitment or advertisment. I've been watching the applications fairly closely lately actualy, it's really interesting. I began to notice that the average number of daily new applicants growing when we started messing about in outer ring, it's spiked a bit more since abandoning that tiff with norad and moving onto the bigger fish. Like i said earlier: AWESOME
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:26:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Stahlregen
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Exioce
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse lololol
In this thread one of your members says otherwise:
"The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums."
necette was quite correct, at the time the statement was made. the policy has now been overturned.
That is, at least, a step in the right direction.
I do however predict that Remedial, unless he adjusts his attitude to both the eve community and indeed to the pilots of goonfleet, will be the cause of your own destruction. Something he claims, at least, that he wishes to avoid.
Time to learn some people skills if he's insistent on being the CEO.
Psh, Because the goonfleet pilots dont already love him to death and want him round for dinner every night, right? I think you missed the entire point of the thread.
Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.
Also, Its not nescercarily Remedial's attitude to the rest of eve thats the problem, Just by reading the logs you can see that he was the one pushing the hardest to support and assist those not allied with d2. Other than getting him confused with one of the other directors that were discussing worst case scenarios for our allies im not too sure what you even mean by saying that he needs to adjust his attitude to the community.
Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.
Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.
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ardik
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:30:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Fetor Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
I don't think you quite understand how unimportant that discussion was for 99% of the memebership. The main corporation, Goonfleet, is completely full at 1301 members, even after the purges. If anything, the fact that things are happening has attracted more people.
But then again, facts rarely seem to impact Eve-o forum discussions much.
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:30:00 -
[120]
Originally by: geewiz
Originally by: Stahlregen
Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.
/quote=Stahlregen]
Translates "I understand there's some new senior director roles that have come vacant in GS, kindly consider me for said roles, Kiss kiss"
Gee
Im already up the corporate with the head honchos bro :D
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:32:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Karunel Exioce what are you doing in GF
hey mate, what are you doing in NH? we're on opposite sides of the trenches you know? maybe we could each form up an INO-type propaganda division and fight with news stories
and if you want someone to blame for me being in GF, blame Discorporation
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:35:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CaptainButts
Originally by: Dianabolic
[quote pyramids are for jerks]
[Personal attacks are for the meek and the weak]
Everybody can play that game though, right?
Yes, I completely understand the mindset - I also know how badly things will go down the pan when such "unconditional" love is exploited and those who "love" don't keep the ego of the "loved" in check.
It's been seen before, it will be seen again - any ONE pilot that INSISTS on having such micro-managerial control over such a large corporation is ultimately going to be responsible for its' downfall.
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:38:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Armois Delgato Posting in this legendary thread and saying hello to the entirety of this forum. This war has been a blast so far and has really kept me interested in EVE lately.
And the general membership is firmly behind Rem. We will follow the guy to the ends of EVE and back. It should be a jolly old time.
Let the good times roll.
I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.
My views are mine and do not represent the views or policies of my corp or alliance. |
CaptainButts
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:39:00 -
[124]
Edited by: CaptainButts on 16/07/2006 20:38:50
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: CaptainButts
Originally by: Dianabolic
[quote pyramids are for jerks]
[Personal attacks are for the meek and the weak]
Everybody can play that game though, right?
Yes, I completely understand the mindset - I also know how badly things will go down the pan when such "unconditional" love is exploited and those who "love" don't keep the ego of the "loved" in check.
It's been seen before, it will be seen again - any ONE pilot that INSISTS on having such micro-managerial control over such a large corporation is ultimately going to be responsible for its' downfall.
Whoa, whoa, that wasn't a personal attack, all I was saying is that we think really really differently. And if you mean the quotes pyramid thing I wasn't calling you a jerk, just meaning that it's silly to have giant things running half a page long, no offense intended and this is an apology if I did. ___________________________________________ if you think what a lil old bee like me posts is any official manifestation of corporate or director policies you're pretty dumb or something |
Bitter Vet
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:41:00 -
[125]
why does dianabolic post in every thread that even mentions goonfleet anyway
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:44:00 -
[126]
Originally by: CaptainButts Edited by: CaptainButts on 16/07/2006 20:38:50
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: CaptainButts
Originally by: Dianabolic
[quote pyramids are for jerks]
[Personal attacks are for the meek and the weak]
Everybody can play that game though, right?
Yes, I completely understand the mindset - I also know how badly things will go down the pan when such "unconditional" love is exploited and those who "love" don't keep the ego of the "loved" in check.
It's been seen before, it will be seen again - any ONE pilot that INSISTS on having such micro-managerial control over such a large corporation is ultimately going to be responsible for its' downfall.
Whoa, whoa, that wasn't a personal attack, all I was saying is that we think really really differently. And if you mean the quotes pyramid thing I wasn't calling you a jerk, just meaning that it's silly to have giant things running half a page long, no offense intended and this is an apology if I did.
My bad, I got the wrong end of the stick then.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:44:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Bitter Vet why does dianabolic post in every thread that even mentions goonfleet anyway
I post in alot of threads, alt boy.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:46:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 16/07/2006 20:48:52
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
So does this mean "stop posting" is the new "post with your main"?
Regardless, I don't see our posting policies making much of a practical difference in the discourse on this forum. Most of our opponents will still view us through the most negative lens possible and keep plucking the worst facts out of context to justify their opinion. So as much as we can prattle on about how morale is great, we love GoonSwarm, and we are thrilled to be flying alongside Sparta, people are still going to think we're on the verge of tearing ourselves apart and hanging our allies out to dry.
Edit- May as well take the opportunity to thank D2 for all the fights, you guys are fun to fly against.
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Hoegaarden
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:48:00 -
[129]
I think that my favorite part of this thread is where the couple directors who have not left yet have decided to openly turn against me despite praising me for running things more effectively and fairly than Remedial. It just goes to show how effective the threat of being fired for dissenting is. As to everyone else in this thread. I think you're missing the point of the entire fight.
I have never doubted Remedial's ability to lead GoonFleet, but until I was CEO for about a month, I was willing to believe he was best at it. Once I took the reigns (after he resigned from burning out being CEO due to overworking himself and not delegating) I ran things differently. I discussed things with my directors, listened to their input, and then made a decision on the issue. I have been playing this game for about 10 months now and am not afraid to ask other people who are more experienced in a particular area for their input. This, however, seems to mean that I am incompetent.
The argument that a strong leader is required to make a corporation work is clearly false, as shown by the fact that the month in GoonFleet history widely considered to be our best was under my rule. I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own, but I do believe that our relationships with other alliances, our growing number of friends, and our incredible logistics work was due to the way I ran GoonFleet and is contrary to everything Remedial has every indicated he believes in (as hinted at by the discussion about NORAD in those chatlogs).
He has now decided to launch an even further reaching war in an attempt to keep the Alliance unified behind him and is silencing all dissent on our forums claiming that it only serves to hamper our efforts now. I look forward to the date when open discourse will be allowed, because my prediction is that it will come long after Tranquility is permanently offlined. I wish no harm upon GoonFleet as I have poured the last 9 months of my life into making it work and do not seek to destroy it in bitterness. I only hope that one day people will recognize that Remedial is not the best leader for GoonFleet just because he founded it. I also seek a recognition that his behavior in this instance was childish and unnecessary and that the reaction on the forums, which has been silenced, be allowed to continue so that Remedial's overinflated ego be brought down a bit when he sees that not all of GoonFleet believes what he did was right. |
Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:50:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
So does this mean "stop posting" is the new "post with your main"?
Regardless, I don't see our posting policies making much of a practical difference in the discourse on this forum. Most of our opponents will still view us through the most negative lens possible and keep plucking the worst facts out of context to justify their opinion. So as much as we can prattle on about how morale is great, we love GoonSwarm, and we are thrilled to be flying alongside Sparta, people are still going to think we're on the verge of tearing ourselves apart and hanging our allies out to dry.
I disagree, I think this will allow all of eve to see that we aren't a faceless bunch of mindless thugs, but a group of 2500-ish people, all different with a strong goal in mind.
My views are mine and do not represent the views or policies of my corp or alliance. |
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:58:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.
I think this is a brilliant idea, and would really lessen some of the kneejerk hostility that some of the estabished alliances seem to show to us.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:00:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
I disagree, I think this will allow all of eve to see that we aren't a faceless bunch of mindless thugs, but a group of 2500-ish people, all different with a strong goal in mind.
I was mainly referring to the usual selection of forum superstars that tend to frequent GoonSwarm threads, since they tend to set the tone of those discussions.
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goze
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:00:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.
Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.
The fact of the matter is that we follow remedial because he is a good leader, but we play the game itself because we are playing with fellow goons. I doubt that any other corp in EVE could deal with the amount of stress and drama that Goonfleet has been going through over the past few days, especially in the midst of an expansionist war, and with a bunch of petty, small-minded outsiders continually attempting to fuel even more drama. It hasn't been an especially happy weekend for Goonfleet, but there's no chance of this corp ever breaking up because of something like this weekend's drama. We all know we're a bunch of greedy, *******, jerkoff bastards, and we aren't gonna tip over and blow away just because someone else finds that out.
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Erohn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:06:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Erohn on 16/07/2006 21:13:11 Edited by: Erohn on 16/07/2006 21:07:59
Originally by: Hoegaarden I think that my favorite part of this thread is where the couple directors who have not left yet have decided to openly turn against me despite praising me for running things more effectively and fairly than Remedial. It just goes to show how effective the threat of being fired for dissenting is. As to everyone else in this thread. I think you're missing the point of the entire fight.
I have never doubted Remedial's ability to lead GoonFleet, but until I was CEO for about a month, I was willing to believe he was best at it. Once I took the reigns (after he resigned from burning out being CEO due to overworking himself and not delegating) I ran things differently. I discussed things with my directors, listened to their input, and then made a decision on the issue. I have been playing this game for about 10 months now and am not afraid to ask other people who are more experienced in a particular area for their input. This, however, seems to mean that I am incompetent.
The argument that a strong leader is required to make a corporation work is clearly false, as shown by the fact that the month in GoonFleet history widely considered to be our best was under my rule. I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own, but I do believe that our relationships with other alliances, our growing number of friends, and our incredible logistics work was due to the way I ran GoonFleet and is contrary to everything Remedial has every indicated he believes in (as hinted at by the discussion about NORAD in those chatlogs).
He has now decided to launch an even further reaching war in an attempt to keep the Alliance unified behind him and is silencing all dissent on our forums claiming that it only serves to hamper our efforts now. I look forward to the date when open discourse will be allowed, because my prediction is that it will come long after Tranquility is permanently offlined. I wish no harm upon GoonFleet as I have poured the last 9 months of my life into making it work and do not seek to destroy it in bitterness. I only hope that one day people will recognize that Remedial is not the best leader for GoonFleet just because he founded it. I also seek a recognition that his behavior in this instance was childish and unnecessary and that the reaction on the forums, which has been silenced, be allowed to continue so that Remedial's overinflated ego be brought down a bit when he sees that not all of GoonFleet believes what he did was right.
This post was a good idea.
You and some of the other directors obviously have been indignant for a while you dont get a bigger share of the decision making pie.
It was always going to end up you guys or him going at some point. Now that we've had a resolution to all the childish drama can we have less bitter posts, especially airing the dirty laundry in public.
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.
I think this is a brilliant idea, and would really lessen some of the kneejerk hostility that some of the estabished alliances seem to show to us.
It's an awful and embarassing idea.
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Shachar
Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:09:00 -
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I will continue to fight for the Swarm regardless of changes in leadership. The director level conflict was unfortunate and hopefully we don't lose too many of the director level members to it. But now the conflict is resolved, and the Swarm continues to hunger for enemy biomass to consume.
Dulce et decorum est pro Remedial mori
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Kyguard
LFC 3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:09:00 -
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Sad to see Hoe leaving. Goonfleet are doing very well for the number of pilots in their organization. I just hope they can get over this and get back to kicking D2's ass.
Goons will always have my respect. ===
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:12:00 -
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tl;dr summary of this thread:
hay guys directors and CEOs sometimes squabble u kno?
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Hoegaarden's Alt
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:13:00 -
[138]
Hey thats neat I got kicked out of Goonfleet for posting on EVE-O.
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Logan Williams
Super Nova Cartel
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:23:00 -
[139]
Ladieeeeeessssss and gentlemennnnnnnn Children of allllllll agesss....... Step right up and witness the marvels that await you....
Yep, this forum is like a trip to the circus.
The first ring was the internal stuff. The second ring was the Goons now posting. The third ring could be considered Hoe going his own direction.
WOW, what else can happen now?!?!?
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Williams WOW, what else can happen now?!?!?
/me sits enjoying cotton candy and popcorn
*takes off pants*
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Lord Draco
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:42:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Fetor Goon spam now?
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
Goonfleet will be gone soon.
Anueb 4tl
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:49:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/07/2006 21:49:04
Originally by: Zarimax Mishka
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
1. CR is supposed to go to YW and we still care about it, cause they are our close allies.
2. Nope, no Sov atm.
3. We havent won this war, we are in the progress to do so.
4. 3 Large Posses fully equipped for value? Strange that they used hordes of Ospreys to refill their shields.
5. First: Use brain - Second: Post in thread
Re #2 - I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here. Are you saying "No, goons don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime" or are you saying "No, D2 and YouWhat don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime but that's not important"?
IĆd just like to clarify this point for our readers.
It had no sov at all, but today u gained it as expected cause of the other 2386123 posses you put up later
We will deal with it later maybe. Maybe not as early as other things are now marching to us...
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Stahlregen
Psh, Because the goonfleet pilots dont already love him to death and want him round for dinner every night, right? I think you missed the entire point of the thread.
Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.
Also, Its not nescercarily Remedial's attitude to the rest of eve thats the problem, Just by reading the logs you can see that he was the one pushing the hardest to support and assist those not allied with d2. Other than getting him confused with one of the other directors that were discussing worst case scenarios for our allies im not too sure what you even mean by saying that he needs to adjust his attitude to the community.
you know what you're saying here??
do you remember the outcry of the EVE community regarding the stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring? do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there??)
so you're saying - the ordinary goon is supporting one of the most respectless players i've ever seen in EVE by heart. fine.
... cya on the battlefield ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.16 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hoegaarden I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own
Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it. --------------------------------
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Serathu
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Posted - 2006.07.16 22:44:00 -
[145]
Thread deep cleaned.
Once again, may I remind you of the Forum Rules. Please stay on-topic, constructive and avoid all flaming and trolling. Failure to do this will result in your post being removed and warnings where necessary.
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Inanna Sumer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 22:49:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Inanna Sumer on 16/07/2006 22:49:18
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
do you remember the outcry of the EVE community regarding the stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring? do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there??)
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.16 23:06:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Hoegaarden I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own
Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it.
I take it this is the new "We didn't want that system anyway!"
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it.
Whatever is easy for us should be easy for you, with all your cash and skill points. Many times I have seen forum *****s complaining that goons don't show respect. Perhaps you could give us the slightest shred of respect for what we have achieved so far from such humble beginnings. The fact that you didn't rapidly crush us out of Cloud Ring has a lot to do with why you're facing so many troubles now.
It is petty and counterproductive of you to belittle us right now, because in some respects you are also belittling D2 in the eyes of its enemies.
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 23:13:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2006 23:16:03
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring?
This is of course because such an act of hostility between any corporations in this game is tantamount to genocide, right? THE FIEND! THE DEVIL! How could he even consider something as dasterderdly as DECLARING WAR ON AN ALLIANCE!
Quote: do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there?
I remember he took a break from playing the game for like 4 days, EL OH EL And waves? What are you talking about, we are in space not at the beach.
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Alaesa
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Posted - 2006.07.16 23:49:00 -
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I love the goonspam
I would remind all the goons filling the forums with I love remedial posts that you dont actually matter.
An online community polices itself, and remedial has shown himself to be untrustworthy.
Goodluck getting any allies from now on that arnt desperate or users themselves.
Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.
Im laying bets on 3 months.
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Urikko
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.16 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Alaesa
Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.
We have? Wow, how fast we run through 70,000 goons. We haven't hit the tip of the iceberg in new players really.
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Captain Trashman
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Posted - 2006.07.16 23:53:00 -
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Remedial is a fantastic leader just because his cult of personality allows him alot more freedom to do things that would cause a huge amount of drama in other corps. That is why I fully support him and hope he continues his rampant censorship so we can continue to make big strides to total domination.
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Alctel Prime
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 00:03:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Hoegaarden I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own
Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it.
Actually, it was D2 who started ramping up the number of POS's in XZH once you found out the hard way that we wouldn't just sit there and let our POS's be put into reinforced, but would defend them to the death. All the major battles in the first week were fought in D2's primetime when we were outnumbered, since there is almost no D2 presence when we are at our strongest.
After the first week D2 stopped using Dreads in XZH almost entirely, and instead started anchoring more and more POS's, and of course we followed suit.
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 17/07/2006 00:44:19 I enjoy fighting for conqueorable space. I enjoy making ISK hand over fist. I enjoy losing my frigate in a suicide rush towards a T2 sniping battleship. I really don't care too much about the politics of the game. And I have only been playing this game for a month. I am a member of Goonswarm.
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Irizumi
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Posted - 2006.07.17 00:43:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Irizumi on 17/07/2006 00:43:29 edit.
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Zeitgueist
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 00:47:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile
Seriously. It's like the only requirement for directorship in GF is that you're sitting for the bar within the year.
This should help people understand our directorship a little better, so I'm quoting it again. Also, keep in mind that Goonfleet initially recruited out of the debate forum at SA. So basically everyone who's been in Goonfleet for a while (and some who haven't) LIVE to debate. And those debates get nasty. Hopefully this helps you guys understand all of this.
As for Remedial, yeah he's an ******* sometimes, and I wish he's play nicer with the directors, but you need to have an ******* to run a corp of 2000 other *******s. That, and he's a hell of a field commander.
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Body Count
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Alois Zimmer
I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.
I think this is a brilliant idea, and would really lessen some of the kneejerk hostility that some of the estabished alliances seem to show to us.
I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES. In the beginning it was Goonies yelling "FUFUFUFU" in local and using every lag exploit they could find. It's only after their actions have been condemned on the forums that they have moderated them somewhat. To get respect you have to show respect. Welcome to Eve. Even the forums have pvp.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Body Count I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception.
If you expect people to ask permission and give warning before launching offensives, you may lack critical thinking skills.
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Body Count
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Body Count I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception.
If you expect people to ask permission and give warning before launching offensives, you may lack critical thinking skills.
No, but when you the newcomer launch offensives on more established groups don't expect to be welcomed with open arms and hot cocoa.
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:38:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Body Count I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2.
Actually goonfleet entered fighting with D2 several months ago when we helped ERA in Branch and Tribute (since BOS, who formed ERA after ATUK left the five, gave us our big start in 0.0 space). Ever since that time D2 have rewarded our commitment to our friends by sending regular gank squads to our home system, piling HACs and multi-millions of skillpoints against newbies in mining cruisers. Such honour! Our "attack" on D2 is in fact a response to months of ganking and forum smack from them.
Quote: You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES.
Since those established players drone on and on about "fun fights" and "more targets" I would expect a pat on the back for us for bringing 2000 "more targets" into the "fun fights". Isn't that what it's all about?
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Nova Cygni
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Body Count In the beginning it was Goonies yelling "FUFUFUFU" in local and using every lag exploit they could find.
I think us and our enemies can immediatly see by this line that you are not involved in any of our conflicts in the slightest, nor do you seem to have contact with any of us in general. Our killboard also reflects this. As such, i ask that you refrain from posting on the topic of Goonswarm, as you dont have any knowledge of it.
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fmercury
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: fmercury on 17/07/2006 01:40:01 That's pretty much how I remeber the GF director's forum being. I'm not really surprised by reading that.
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:42:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 01:43:16 Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 01:42:30
Originally by: Body Count I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES. In the beginning it was Goonies yelling "FUFUFUFU" in local and using every lag exploit they could find. It's only after their actions have been condemned on the forums that they have moderated them somewhat. To get respect you have to show respect. Welcome to Eve. Even the forums have pvp.
1) While we did agress NORAD -- largely because we needed more people to fight, this is a pvp game after all -- d2 and its predecessor [G] have a long history of unprovoked aggression against us and our allies. As early as late 2005 -- ie, within the first month or two of Goonfleet's existence -- [G] fleets were routinely harassing our newbie members in Syndicate in search of cheap ganks. It is hardly suprising that those same newbies hold a long term grudge, but to claim that grudge is Goonfleet agression is to warp and rewrite history. If d2 didn't want to face Goonfleet aggression now, then [G] shouldn't have spent so much time harassing Goonfleet newbies back last year.
2) It is a matter of provable record that goons only "fofo" (get it right) after a combat victory, not before; it is a victory cry and it would be nonsensical during an engagement. Furthermore, even if we did 'fofo" in local during fights, such actions would not cause game lag, because the game servers and the chat servers are separate. Goonfleet members do not deliberately cause lag any more than the members of any other corporation do by simply playing the game in large numbers. I really wish the few forum trolls who keep flogging these varied "it wuz lag" whines would stop, because all it does is make d2, NORAD, & co look like sore losers who can't take a combat loss without throwing a temper tantrum and calling their opponent names -- and that does a huge disservice to the many solid, experienced, and capable d2/NORAD/etc. pilots who we've faced over the past few months.
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Body Count No, but when you the newcomer launch offensives on more established groups don't expect to be welcomed with open arms and hot cocoa.
What do you call it again in the real world when the big kids want to stand over the little kids and demand respect for their size and strength? There's a word, starts with "b", can't remember what it is...
We're here to have fun and achieve what we can. All of the old dragons were young once and I find it surprising and a little disappointing that some of them react the way you are reacting to a group like goonswarm that is driven by energy and excitement to try new things. If you could see how new, and fresh and amazing all of this feels to us you would wish you'd never played Eve before just so you could play it again from our perspective. Goonswarm is an endless party with guns.
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Calenth
2) It is a matter of provable record that goons only "fofo" (get it right) after a combat victory, not before; it is a victory cry and it would be nonsensical during an engagement. Furthermore, even if we did 'fofo" in local during fights, such actions would not cause game lag, because the game servers and the chat servers are separate. Goonfleet members do not deliberately cause lag any more than the members of any other corporation do by simply playing the game in large numbers. I really wish the few forum trolls who keep flogging these varied "it wuz lag" whines would stop, because all it does is make d2, NORAD, & co look like sore losers who can't take a combat loss without throwing a temper tantrum and calling their opponent names -- and that does a huge disservice to the many solid, experienced, and capable d2/NORAD/etc. pilots who we've faced over the past few months.
Oh wow. You really need to edit this point before the discussion goes into disscussions about 500 drones, and 100 cargo cans. Do so and I'll edit mine as well
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fmercury
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:53:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.
Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.
Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.
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Urikko
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:53:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Lorth
Oh wow. You really need to edit this point before the discussion goes into disscussions about 500 drones, and 100 cargo cans. Do so and I'll edit mine as well
You know Lorth, I could actually do the math and show you have GS 1100 or so losses the first week along with D2 and Co's 600+ would have to leave 100+ cans per engagement, but you would just ignore it.
As for drones, yeah we are radicals. We like to use combat drones in combat. Anyway, keep spewing it, you might even believe it one day.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:54:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Lorth
Oh wow. You really need to edit this point before the discussion goes into disscussions about 500 drones, and 100 cargo cans. Do so and I'll edit mine as well
You're precious. You certainly could trot out the same tired myths, and I'm sure goons would be willing to debunk them and address them point-by-point again, but then we'd just be going in circles. The truth is, EVE doesn't need much any help to lag to hell when massive fleets are throwing themselves at each other, the lag sword has cut both ways, and I have never heard or seen anyone directly order or allude to the use of lag tactics in our operations. End of story.
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:56:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 01:57:50
Originally by: Lorth
Oh wow. You really need to edit this point before the discussion goes into disscussions about 500 drones, and 100 cargo cans. Do so and I'll edit mine as well
I'm sure the derail will happen, but I'm equally certain that all the incidents complained of are utterly baseless, because I was there. I don't see any need to edit any of my statements.
We had drones out during the long-range dread assault because the two prior dread assaults had been close-range and we expected d2 to repeat the same tactics. We tend to have a lot of cargo cans out because 1) we die a lot, and 2) we sometimes use the cargo cans as warpin points to counter long-range sniping tactics.
As I said before -- Goonfleet members do not deliberately cause lag any more than the members of any other corporation do by simply playing the game in large numbers. If a combat situation calls for drones, or for a few cans as warpin points, or for zerging the enemy and dying in waves (and thus leaving a bunch of cans as we get killed), we're going to use those tactics, because they are legitimate, but we aren't using them to "lag hack" or whatever other crazy whining reason gets cooked up by people who can't or won't deal with our tactics in the game. We're using those tactics because they're good tactics, regardless of whether or not they cause lag.
Half the time I wonder if some people just think that using any tactic other than t2 sniping bs fleets is inherently an "exploit."
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Cythereon
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:57:00 -
[170]
Originally by: fmercury
Originally by: Dianabolic
Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.
Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.
Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.
You are held in complete comtempt by 100% of the goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon inside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise you.
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:57:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Lorth
Oh wow. You really need to edit this point before the discussion goes into disscussions about 500 drones, and 100 cargo cans. Do so and I'll edit mine as well
I can't believe how much you troll the forums and get away with it. I mean even the mods think you flame too much
Originally by: Abdalion
By the way Lorth, I am considering an "inciting to flame" addendum to go into our warning generator system, and I am tempted to call it "To Lorth a thread is to ask people to flame".
Can you stop trolling this thread? Please?
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fmercury
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:58:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Cythereon
You are held in complete comtempt by 100% of the goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon inside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise you.
I can think of a few :)
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.17 01:59:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Calenth
Originally by: Lorth
Oh wow. You really need to edit this point before the discussion goes into disscussions about 500 drones, and 100 cargo cans. Do so and I'll edit mine as well
I'm sure the derail will happen, but I'm equally certain that all the incidents complained of are utterly baseless, because I was there. I don't see any need to edit any of my statements.
We had drones out during the long-range dread assault because the two prior dread assaults had been close-range and we expected d2 to repeat the same tactics. We tend to have a lot of cargo cans out because 1) we die a lot, and 2) we sometimes use the cargo cans as warpin points to counter long-range sniping tactics.
As I said before -- Goonfleet members do not deliberately cause lag any more than the members of any other corporation do by simply playing the game in large numbers. If a combat situation calls for drones, or for a few cans as warpin points, or for zerging the enemy and dying in waves (and thus leaving a bunch of cans as we get killed), we're going to use those tactics, because they are legitimate, but we aren't using them to "lag hack" or whatever other crazy whining reason gets cooked up by people who can't or won't deal with our tactics in the game. Half the time I wonder if some people just think that using any tactic other than t2 sniping bs fleets is inherently an "exploit."
I was just trying to prevent a derail. But how does to conflict call for drones. When its a long range engagment, and you stayed inside your POS? Not one ship or drone left the fishbowl the entire time, save for the first where we warped in close range.
So what exactly was thier purpose then? They just sat there.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:01:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Cythereon
You are held in complete comtempt by 100% of the goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon inside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise you.
Is this intentionally ironic? I can't tell.
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:03:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Lorth Oh wow. You really need to edit this point before the discussion goes into disscussions about 500 drones, and 100 cargo cans. Do so and I'll edit mine as well
This has all been done to death, and there's nothing for goonswarm to be ashamed of. Drones were released so that they would be ready when the enemy (we anticipated, based on their previous attack) warped into close range engagement with the POS. When there is lag our pilots should not be hampered in their response, and that includes not having to wait 2 minutes for their drones to unship.
As far as cans are concerned:
1) When we first entered XZH we were operating out of POSs without corp hangars. We had maybe 20 cans in space containing various sets of equipment and fuel, with goons on station to keep refreshing the cans so they wouldn't pop. Some of these cans may have been around when you first started to attack our POSs, but their purpose had nothing to do with lag 2) We used to drop cans at the warp-in points of enemy snipers so that we could warp to them if the snipers returned to the same warp-in later. Since the GMs ruled this an exploit we have ordered our people to stop it. I personally have done my best to encourage our pilots to use anti-snipe bookmark sets instead, because I have been making them for various operating theatres almost since I joined goonfleet, which was when I first entered the game 3) Any other cans are almost certainly the product of exploded ships. Believe us, we try to minimise the explosion of our ships
Much was also made of the supposed bookmark exploit. Despite the fact that bookmarks in cans would only cause lag for those who opened the can (which I imagine your dreads 100km from our POS would have trouble doing) some of your people claimed this was a deliberate exploit. Again, the real explanation is that you were facing a newbie alliance operating out of a guerilla camp. Our members were furiously copying pipe and cloud ring instas for each other in the opening days of the war because the invasion was a total surprise move even for us. A tiny handful of those members happened to get popped while they had bookmarks in their holds, because either they had not had time to copy them into their people and places folder before getting popped, or because they had been in the middle of copying a set for someone else when the call to arms went out. As soon as we were informed that it was not appropriate to copy bookmarks in space during a war we put a stop to it, and as far as I am aware it hasn't happened since.
Most of the lag in XZH has in fact correlated with the arrival of D2's large dreadnought squadrons. On several occasions our pilots have commented on the fact that lag would ease up significantly the moment your dreads cyno'd out. Certainly since you ceased dreadnought ops in XZH early in the war lag has been not nearly such a big problem in XZH.
So yeah, we're new, we committed a couple of faux pas (for completely practical reasons that had nothing to do with trying to exploit lag), and you D2 forum warriors just couldn't get enough of it. If you had contacted us with friendly advice about the matter, or politely asked that we avoid certain activities (like bookmark copying) I think we would happily have complied. The last thing we want is to render our own victories hollow by using exploits. Unfortunately you guys were incredibly eager to cry exploit and start petitioning every loss, and you refused to listen to any reasonable explanation. This was fuelled partly by the endless complaints from a few D2 pilots who lost large ships in the early engagements and assumed that the lag that caused that must have been created deliberately as an exploit.
It's kind of annoying that the same people who call for goonfleet to show more respect refuse to give us any credit or respect for our successes, but instead leap to blame them on hacks.
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djNME
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:05:00 -
[176]
"By the way Lorth, I am considering an "inciting to flame" addendum to go into our warning generator system, and I am tempted to call it "To Lorth a thread is to ask people to flame".
Now that is just funny stuff! The rest of this drama crap; I hope to see it pan out as it has on the battle field.DAB logs on for PVP so, please keep attempting to bring it.
Anyways lorth 4tw on the qoute.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:05:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Lorth
So what exactly was thier purpose then? They just sat there.
Which was why once we realized it was going to be a long ranged fight, we scooped them before we engaged.
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:06:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Lorth
I was just trying to prevent a derail. But how does to conflict call for drones. When its a long range engagment, and you stayed inside your POS? Not one ship or drone left the fishbowl the entire time, save for the first where we warped in close range.
So what exactly was thier purpose then? They just sat there.
We thought it might become a short-range engagement, so we deployed the drones in advance, so that they would be ready if needed; with over 400 players in system, it might have taken too long to deploy all our drones if we needed to make a short range attack quickly. Since it didn't become a short-range engagement after all, they just sat there. Eventually we did recall them once we realized it was going to be a long-range engagement.
Were you even there?
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Vorelle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:13:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Lorth I was just trying to prevent a derail. But how does to conflict call for drones. When its a long range engagment, and you stayed inside your POS? Not one ship or drone left the fishbowl the entire time, save for the first where we warped in close range.
So what exactly was thier purpose then? They just sat there.
In two previous attempts at that tower, D2 would bring their Dreads in outside of range to load the screen, then warp to the tower at their optimal. We were very successful against their previous attempt by directly engaging their dreads and letting the tower take care of their support. We also later found out how to be successful at ranged attacked by the Dreads since it would take them about 5 hours to put one tower into reinforced. When we engaged their ranged attack, we had no drones out. Yes, during one attack when we were unsure of what they planned we did put drones out, and if I remember correctly this was the one attack in which they were actually able to put our tower in XZH into reinforced.
Needless to say, drones were never part of lag warfare. Everytime there has been a large engagement in XZH, it was during D2s primetime, and most of the time we have been severely out blobbed. With all due respect Lorth, you have not been involved in any engagements in XZH or against goons since we were up north months ago.
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bombasstitties
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:20:00 -
[180]
Do you have any incorrigibly redneck friends? Or aquantainces, anything? I'm talking real hicks here, because I'm gonna draw a little parallel here, help clear things up.
One evening a sorta-friend of mine, real hillbilly of a guy unfortunately, invites me to a party. Now this is out in the sticks, middle of goddamn nowhere, and it's a redneck party. Hell it's not even a party, it's a hootenanny. That's right, a hootenanny. Now as this is occuring in the middle of goddamn nowhere full of hollering and hooting hicks hurling bullets into the sky and drinking moonshine. I'm scared ****less, I'm just a poor ole lil city boy what lost my way. "These people are freaks," is what I'm thinking. "These are the lowest most savage dregs of humanity." Now just as this here hillbilly hootenanny is picking up, the host redneck runs out to his barn and opens the door, driving out a busted old junker of a car. She might've been beautiful once, hell she still is in an archaophile sort of way, but she's rusted now. She's old and dirty and smells like ancient prom night sex and colonies of insects living somewhere in the seats. He drives this piece of junk out into the middle of a field, it's a miracle it even gets going this far. I'm sitting there wondering what the hell they're gonna do to that poor car, crazy people like this. So he drives this once-beautiful Mustang right up to a big post, stuck deep in the ground a good ways away from the house. Who knows why there's a post there - maybe just for what they're about to do? I don't know, you don't know, only the goddamn psychopaths know and all they're gonna do is laugh about it and say "It's great fun, you'll see." So a couple of the head hick's buddies head around the back of the house and come back in a minute with a cinderblock and a bunch of rope, and they make a loop at one end of the rope, set it over the post and tie the other to the car. Now all these rednecks are well, rednecks, so they've got guns out the wazoo. Nice people, great people, but so help me God they could form a small militia and stage a coup in the county. All these guys and gals are drunk off their asses and laughing off them too, standing around in a circle loading their guns. It's like one big savage ritual in a 1930s black and white movie, bunch of savages dancing around a sacrifice. Now these guys set the cinderblock right on the accelerator of this fine old beauty of a car, she goes straight for it, starts spinning around real fast, the rope keeping her going in a circle. All these people are hooting and cheering and yelling and vomiting and dancing and drunk and they start shooting that poor old car that used to be so fresh and lively, just pumping round after round after round into the old thing as it spins 'round and 'round, just repeating that over and over, and then it dawns on me, this is fun as all hell, and these people are having the time of their lives. Just sitting there shooting a car drunk and laughing and simple and stupid.
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Whiskey Juvenile
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:28:00 -
[181]
Originally by: fmercury Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.
Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.
Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm.
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:35:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Lorth I was just trying to prevent a derail. But how does to conflict call for drones.
I don't know Lorth. Sadly I lack a crystal ball for EVE combat and am unable to predict that our opponents will not muster a support fleet and warp in at close range.
A better question would be why not have our drones deployed? With lag as much of a problem as it is just based on ship numbers alone I would rather be prepared for that one or 2 seconds I'll get to issue a command and already have my drones deployed than not.
Accusations about purposeful lag inducing are completely foundless, and if you require further proof than the myriad Goonswarm posters who say that it is BS, I'd direct you to the scads of ex-Goonswarmers who retain bitterness towards certain members of our alliance to the extent that they would post our director forums. Where are all the bitter ex-Goonswarmers with an axe to grind claiming that we've ever tried to incite lag?
The reality that is readily apparent to anyone not blinded by some bizarre vendatta over a video game is that goonswarm's sheer numbers alone cause lag. When anyone shows up somewhere with 200 ships there will be lag and both sides are victimized it. I've lost my fair share of implants and ships due to lag.
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:07:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic We just can't win on this forum.
At last you see the truth! I expect you will now go out and buy a spaceship :p
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Shachar
Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:18:00 -
[184]
Arguing about the same old stuff is useless. Arguing about who is right and who is wrong does not matter either. All that matters is who has the strength to win. I am not going to offer a opinion about that, and I am not interested in others' opinions about it. So lets keep having space battles and we will find out for real.
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:18:00 -
[185]
Originally by: fmercury
Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.
While I know you speak for some others besides yourself 100% is a little on the high side, merc :D
I don't despise him, doubt I'm the only one.
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:19:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic We just can't win on this forum.
At last you see the truth! I expect you will now go out and buy a spaceship :p
I have several, and have made plenty of little bees assume room temperature.
Playing the forum warrior card while posting on a forum yourself is pretty ironic.
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:28:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic I have several, and have made plenty of little bees assume room temperature.
Playing the forum warrior card while posting on a forum yourself is pretty ironic.
Is this the thread where we call each other forum warriors?
I mean I just like my alliance, I like EVE and I glad to be able to be posting about the two on this website. It's not a conspiracy. A lot of us haven't been allowed to post until today so now we're probably just excited to join in the fun, debate or whatever you want to call it.
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:32:00 -
[188]
There's no logical or intelligent debate in this forum
it's all chest-beating, smack, and semi-intelligible trash
come on, get with the program here!
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:38:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic instead of 50 millions alts spewing off we have 50 million clones.
You already had that, did you miss the endless D2/IRON "ur so ded" mantrain in the Sparta thread?
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The Speaker
The Clue Factory
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:46:00 -
[190]
Something to strongly consider is that, in all likelihood neither side is going to be able to "win" at the current pace and with the current players involved. Really, take a step back and look at the situation: no matter how touted each side thinks their strengths are, there are clearly weaknesses on either side that can be exploited to great effect. This is delightful to some and at the deep, dark heart of bitter denial for others.
Achieving a true "victory" is difficult when dealing with committed alliances, unlike a large number of alliances in game that roll over and play dead or run for the hills at the first sign of trouble. So, heaps and heaps of the overrated "respect" to both sides for at least being committed to this war for whatever their reasons might be.
Go out there and have fun blowing each other up, that's what the game's really about. Well, unless the call of Jitaroids is too strong. |
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Serathu
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Posted - 2006.07.17 04:10:00 -
[191]
May I remind you that this is not the place for discussions regarding Goonfleet's tactics. In addition, the discussion of exploits or potential exploits is not welcome on the forums.
Please keep it on-topic in here.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 04:33:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile
Originally by: fmercury Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.
Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.
Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm.
False.
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Whiskey Juvenile
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 05:05:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile
Originally by: fmercury Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.
Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.
Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm.
Well, then he's still wrong. False.
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ZaKma
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 05:11:00 -
[194]
With personal insults like that, I really can't understand why anyone would put up with you Remedial.
I sort of like the idea of the Goons, and I wish them all the best. But in my eyes it doesn't matter how good someone can lead if he can't even act like a adult. I lost count of the number of insults in those 3 pages.
--- This post represents my personal opinion, and in no way the one of my alliance or corporation.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 05:16:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Body Count think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES. *snip*
Oh my.
So, basically, we're n00bs, and how dare we attack and beat people with more sp than us? People with 'established' alliances and two years of training under their belts?
In all honesty, blowing people like you up is the entire reason why Goonswarm exists. With an attitude like that, you're practically begging for it.
Also, we hardly attacked D2 out of nowhere, they've been sending ganksquads to our homeland ever since Tribute. Next!
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Vile rat
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 05:23:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Alaesa I love the goonspam
Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.
Im laying bets on 3 months.
PEAK GOONS
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Rebellion
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 05:32:00 -
[197]
Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart.
Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances.
It's interesting to note that the goons are apparently the newest cults of personalities around. I had thought that with the fading away of guys like Ragnar, that those were things of the past.
One thing about cults of personality though is that the personalities have to be able to withstand the eventual pressures. Those pressures can be big, even more so when the personalities are very outspoken, while having a lot to hide.
At any rate, watching the goons rise from obscurity to prominence has proven to be interesting.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 05:44:00 -
[198]
Edited by: The Mittani on 17/07/2006 05:46:39
Originally by: Rebellion
Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart.
Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances.
Imagine, if you will, a school bus full of special needs children doped to the gills on crystal meth. Now imagine that you've given them all sharp objects and a few handguns, and convinced them all that what they REALLY WANT is to die for Dear Leader and take someone with them in the process.
Then you take that bus, dump nitrous into the gas tank, supercharge the engine, lock the accelerator at full throttle and point that bus in the general direction of your enemies, and just before you leap out of it you put the most hyperactive of the meth-addicted tard kids behind the wheel and tell him to have fun and that he's an excellent driver.
That's what it's like being a Goonswarm director. It's not pretty, but the fireworks are spectacular. ^_^
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Happydayz
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 06:31:00 -
[199]
Originally by: ZaKma With personal insults like that, I really can't understand why anyone would put up with you Remedial.
I sort of like the idea of the Goons, and I wish them all the best. But in my eyes it doesn't matter how good someone can lead if he can't even act like a adult. I lost count of the number of insults in those 3 pages.
Someone needs to post a link to the goonfleet keyboard that was made up recently. Having spent some time on their teamspeak and in gangs I can assure you that it is pretty much an accurate reflection of what's said during ops and idle time
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Taaii
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 06:45:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 17/07/2006 05:35:54 Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart.
Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances.
It's interesting to note that the goons are apparently the newest cults of personalities around. I had thought that with the fading away of guys like Ragnar, that those were things of the past.
A word of advice if you would accept it: One thing about cults of personality though is that the personalities have to be able to withstand the eventual pressures. Those pressures can be big, even more so when the personalities are very outspoken, while having a lot to hide.
At any rate, watching the goons rise from obscurity to prominence has proven to be interesting. While others seem too enthusiastic to predict Goonfleet's quick demise, I for one do not want it to happen prematurely. I think that the Goons are an interesting new element that must be allowed to reach its full potential, if only for the rest of us to see what can be learned from it. We've kind of fallen in with the rhetorical meaning of our Evolution corpname, and new "mutations" like Goonfleet are a welcome addition to the grand mix of EVE elements.
QTF
I like the Goon style in general. Its unorthodox and i belive that a lot of the hate they get is from the fact they have proven that low SP can be just as effective as a high SP char. T2 gear is not as dominant as it appears. Im a ex EQ player. Quite a high EQ player actually and when i did play, i hated how 'lesser' guilds did things or accomplished raids easier then at the time when my guild was doing it. I believe is a similar situation now.
My only constructive criticism to GF is to chill out. You guys have done dam well against D2. You might not win but you guys have learnt alot. Your 'newb' players if you want to call them that, have more experience in PvP then people who have been playing months. Dont rub it in peoples faces via alts your doing better then people thought you would.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 06:54:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2006 23:19:24
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring?
This is of course because such an act of hostility between any corporations in this game is tantamount to genocide, right? THE FIEND! THE DEVIL! How could he even consider something as dasterderdly as DECLARING WAR ON AN ALLIANCE!
Quote: do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there?
I remember he took a break from playing the game for like 4 days, EL OH EL And waves? What are you talking about, we are in space not at the beach.
Quote: ... cya on the battlefield
Aka: XZH
Man, I am on fire this morning
ahem ... for the first point - reading comprehension 4tw!! .. i wasn't saying that the claiming of OR was a bad action .. i was only saying that in this thread a lots of stuff of remedials history in EVE came to surface. you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died??
and i feel really really sorry that english isn't my mother tongue, so please excuse some minor errors in wording ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Kesslar Znel
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Posted - 2006.07.17 07:26:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died??
The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been.
Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying. |
MacDuncan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 07:55:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Kesslar Znel
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died??
The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been.
Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying.
Again...you're showing the lack of any sense at all...which seems to belonging to the majority within GS... --
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geewiz
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:02:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Kesslar Znel
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died??
The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been.
Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying.
Classy ....real classy
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Body Count
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:03:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Kesslar Znel
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died??
The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been.
Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying.
This boys and girls is called a mistake. Making fun of dead players who ran the first eve killboard and was so respected that his mates named a station in his honour is a bad move.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:13:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something.
I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies?
There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by)
This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space
DEAD or ALIVE we allways have some fun. DO YOU??
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deadEd
Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:14:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Body Count This boys and girls is called a mistake. Making fun of dead players who ran the first eve killboard and was so respected that his mates named a station in his honour is a bad move.
In case this hasn't become bleedingly obvious yet, "Goons" and "Class" don't go together. They never have gone together, they never will go together, and you know what? They don't want it to go together. If anything, watching everyone flip their lid over it will make them that much more inclined to joke about it in the future.
Whether it's concentrated hilarity or a total affront to your sensibilities really doesn't matter a whole lot, since they generally aren't going to try to please anyone but themselves with that sort of thing.
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deadEd
Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact
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Edited by: deadEd on 17/07/2006 08:14:31 double post, ignore
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Body Count
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: deadEd
Originally by: Body Count This boys and girls is called a mistake. Making fun of dead players who ran the first eve killboard and was so respected that his mates named a station in his honour is a bad move.
In case this hasn't become bleedingly obvious yet, "Goons" and "Class" don't go together. They never have gone together, they never will go together, and you know what? They don't want it to go together. If anything, watching everyone flip their lid over it will make them that much more inclined to joke about it in the future.
Whether it's concentrated hilarity or a total affront to your sensibilities really doesn't matter a whole lot, since they generally aren't going to try to please anyone but themselves with that sort of thing.
Actually you saving that it reminds me of a british phenomenon I've been told about. Could goons be the first "chav" alliance?
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Nafri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something.
I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies?
There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by)
This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space
He ovbiusly has some kind of WW2 tick, his ingame picture is Adolf ****** and tbh, he acts on his forums like him. Same for some other goon alts out here, talking about euthanism and other stuff.
Its just disgusting.
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Eloryan Persago
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:25:00 -
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Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed forum, the original poster would certainly want you to believe that there is drama in goonfleet. And he make a good case. Hell, I almost felt drama myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed thread, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca.
Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this thread? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a alliance member defending my alliance, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in your little spaceships deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must not belive the original poster! The defense rests. Anything posted by this character does not represent Goonfleet and/or Goonswarm, anything said which may offend you was probably said because I meant it
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Vile rat
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Body Count Actually you saving that it reminds me of a british phenomenon I've been told about. Could goons be the first "chav" alliance?
My apoc is kitted with burberry.
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ZaKma
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something.
I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies?
There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by)
This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space
There is a fine line between just messing around or smacking and between insults that go beyond the game into real life.
He crossed it. And no this game doesn't need more people like him. I don't mind smackers at all, or if someone insults me. But when you read that from most, you know that it's just for fun and since this is a game we can have fun.
The insults in those 3 pages were not written in that manner. They were downright personal attacks and insults.
I for one would never work with someone like that, especially considering that they all just want to help their corp and he hits them down like that.
--- This post represents my personal opinion, and in no way the one of my alliance or corporation.
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Kesslar Znel
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: ZaKma
I for one would never work with someone like that, especially considering that they all just want to help their corp and he hits them down like that.
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ZaKma
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kesslar Znel
Originally by: ZaKma
I for one would never work with someone like that, especially considering that they all just want to help their corp and he hits them down like that.
Solution: Don't join Goonfleet.
--- This post represents my personal opinion, and in no way the one of my alliance or corporation.
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Anita Haircut
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani Imagine, if you will, a school bus full of special needs children doped to the gills on crystal meth. Now imagine that you've given them all sharp objects and a few handguns, and convinced them all that what they REALLY WANT is to die for Dear Leader and take someone with them in the process.
Then you take that bus, dump nitrous into the gas tank, supercharge the engine, lock the accelerator at full throttle and point that bus in the general direction of your enemies, and just before you leap out of it you put the most hyperactive of the meth-addicted tard kids behind the wheel and tell him to have fun and that he's an excellent driver.
That's what it's like being a Goonswarm director. It's not pretty, but the fireworks are spectacular. ^_^
This made me laugh SO HARD I spit beer out of my nose!!!!!!
I love GOON. You guys are awesome in my book. Those arrogant D2 "we have more SP than you and have been in alliances forever so listen to us or die" types need to be put into their place. Their time has come and gone. Time for GOON to wipe them out.
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NOObbody
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Anita HaircutI love GOON. You guys are awesome in my book. Those arrogant D2 "we have more SP than you and have been in alliances forever so listen to us or die" types need to be put into their place. Their time has come and gone. Time for GOON to wipe them out.
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Maybe you should come and visit Deklein to see who is getting "wiped out"? And the help SPR received from GS so far,is... pathetic.
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Virtuality
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuality on 17/07/2006 08:39:39
Originally by: ZaKma
I for one would never work with someone like that, especially considering that they all just want to help their corp and he hits them down like that.
Notice what Remedial's big vision is though.
GoonSwarm made a promise to back Sparta who have allied themselves with GoonSwarm and Remedial wants us to do everything we can to do that. Some of the other directors voiced their concerns over being over extended or putting ourselves in a bad situation. You can't fault a man for wanting to remain loyal.
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cheru
nemo nobis impune lacessit SynchronizerZ
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:42:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Kesslar Znel
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died??
The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been. ...
Even with a "Take it easy" approach there are still borders that simply are not to be crossed.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 17/07/2006 08:45:35
Originally by: deadEd
Originally by: Body Count This boys and girls is called a mistake. Making fun of dead players who ran the first eve killboard and was so respected that his mates named a station in his honour is a bad move.
In case this hasn't become bleedingly obvious yet, "Goons" and "Class" don't go together. They never have gone together, they never will go together, and you know what? They don't want it to go together. If anything, watching everyone flip their lid over it will make them that much more inclined to joke about it in the future.
Whether it's concentrated hilarity or a total affront to your sensibilities really doesn't matter a whole lot, since they generally aren't going to try to please anyone but themselves with that sort of thing.
Which basically brings us to the real root of most of the issues that the existing community has with GF, which is that they're not really part of the Eve Community and, it seems, don't want to be. They're bona fide outsiders, they seem to have no real intention of "integrating" and, to make it worse, they're using their "outsider" status to gain significant advantage over existing alliances by leveraging the huge SA userbase to field swarms of cheap ships.
Whether this is a justifiable response or not is up to you. This isn't real life, it's a game. But despite the fact that they're playing in the same space, I'm not sure that GS, certainly under Remedial, are playing the same game as the rest of the cluster. Again, is that bad? I'm not sure. But it again goes some way to explain why other alliances don't like them. Briefly under Hoe it seems that they were playing Eve in a way the rest of us recognise, and playing it damn well, but it looks like that phase may have passed. What happens next? Who knows. But the problems will continue...
Originally by: Darcuese There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by)
I suspect with a lot of people the issue with Remedial's leadership style is not that he's running GS as a ruthless dictatorship, but that he appears to be doing it badly. Castro vs Mao - the analogies are all fairly obvious if you think about it properly for a few seconds.
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ZaKma
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Virtuality Edited by: Virtuality on 17/07/2006 08:39:39
Originally by: ZaKma
I for one would never work with someone like that, especially considering that they all just want to help their corp and he hits them down like that.
Notice what Remedial's big vision is though.
GoonSwarm made a promise to back Sparta who have allied themselves with GoonSwarm and Remedial wants us to do everything we can to do that. Some of the other directors voiced their concerns over being over extended or putting ourselves in a bad situation. You can't fault a man for wanting to remain loyal.
His vision is fine. Goons goals are fine. I never said otherwise.
What is not fine is the way he acts. And no matter what he accomplishes in EVE, even if he wipes out all other alliances and claims all space, all I will ever remember him for are his insults. There are lines that you do not cross, video game or not.
--- This post represents my personal opinion, and in no way the one of my alliance or corporation.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something.
I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies?
There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by)
This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space
He ovbiusly has some kind of WW2 tick, his ingame picture is Adolf ****** and tbh, he acts on his forums like him. Same for some other goon alts out here, talking about euthanism and other stuff.
Its just disgusting.
Disgusting or not...this game is role play game. Plenty of space for all. And since it is a game it should be opened for all type of roles, IMO. When you consider that majority of pilots is above 18 and 21, then their mind should be strong enough for not taking some things granted (as some things that in RL are considered bad, this is a game where "evil" is and should be part of it). If you are disgust with somebody in game, go out, kill it and get down with it/him/her.
Internal behaviour (inside corp orm alliance) is different. Pilots have option to step out from corp alliance if the dont feel comfort with...or overthrow leadership.
But in the end this is a game...and "barbarian" sort of leadeship and acting is only "+" for game in global.
If you read something on local that you dont feel comfort with..close local or dont read. If you get evemail with crap writen all over...petition it.
But telling someone how they should act and play this game is not something positive for game its self. This is only my opinion however, and i dont have problems with RL issue brought in game where i have control to handle with such
DEAD or ALIVE we allways have some fun. DO YOU??
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:06:00 -
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Whether comments like that should be "allowed" at all is a seperate issue. The main point is that comments like that will have consequences. Do the goons care that they're upsetting and angering an awful lot of people by doing so?
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deadEd
Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: deadEd on 17/07/2006 09:12:46
Originally by: Joerd Toastius Whether comments like that should be "allowed" at all is a seperate issue. The main point is that comments like that will have consequences. Do the goons care that they're upsetting and angering an awful lot of people by doing so?
I think the amount of people that Goonfleet's tactics and general behaviour bother to the extent of making tactical alliances impossible is being grossly over-exaggerated. People will be mad, sure, but mad enough to forget all the other important aspects of the game and just declare a never-ending vendetta against them? Not likely (not to mention anyone with skin that thin would probably work terribly with them anyway).
Not saying they don't cheese people off, but I think the much larger majority is comprised of those who can either put aside their anger for strategical/tactical benefit, or those that simply don't care one way or another. Ultimately, they know that (and most everyone else does too). They're organized as hell, generally smack-free, and will fight to death and beyond. That alone will make people want to deal with them.
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Mokojn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mokojn on 17/07/2006 09:12:29
Originally by: Joerd Toastius Whether comments like that should be "allowed" at all is a seperate issue. The main point is that comments like that will have consequences. Do the goons care that they're upsetting and angering an awful lot of people by doing so?
No, we don't care. The truth is that we try to let our actions speak for us. Yes, we might be offensive and oafish but our allies see us risking anything and everything to help them in any way we can, and that we're not just doing it because of some political/personal goals, but because underneath the jokes we're incredibly friendly and want to help others succeed with us.
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General Hansen
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:16:00 -
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After reading this thread I would buy lots of beers for Remedial if I ever met him.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:17:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Mokojn Edited by: Mokojn on 17/07/2006 09:12:29
Originally by: Joerd Toastius Whether comments like that should be "allowed" at all is a seperate issue. The main point is that comments like that will have consequences. Do the goons care that they're upsetting and angering an awful lot of people by doing so?
No, we don't care. The truth is that we try to let our actions speak for us. Yes, we might be offensive and oafish but our allies see us risking anything and everything to help them in any way we can, and that we're not just doing it because of some political/personal goals, but because underneath the jokes we're incredibly friendly and want to help others succeed with us.
Which is exactly my point. TBH I think it's self-reinforcing to a degree - a vocal proportion of the community don't like you, so why should you care? But, at the same time, they don't like you because you don't care - you've turned up and ****ed in their cereals and then laughed in their face when they objected. Are you really, honestly surprised at all the negative reactions that you've got in light of this?
I'm not even sure there is solution to this any more - first impressions and all that. And no, I agree that this on its own probably won't cause GS overwhelming tactical or strategic problems on its own, but I do think it explains the attitudes of a lot of people towards GS...
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Compliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury
Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.
Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.
It's not a matter of despising him. After having been in every single corp that Remedial has led (not including Goonfleet although I had an outstanding invitation for 2 weeks), I can honestly say he is absolutely no fun to play the game with. For God's sake, he threw a hissyfit at his girlfriend and stormed out of his apartment over a TeamSpeak arguement at one point.
I've been playing for 3 years with Remedial and the other veteran goons, and I can honestly tell you that I don't hate Remedial on a personal level, but I would never, ever, trust him in a leadership position.
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius Are you really, honestly surprised at all the negative reactions that you've got in light of this?
Who said we're surprised?
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Inanna Sumer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Happydayz Someone needs to post a link to the goonfleet keyboard that was made up recently. Having spent some time on their teamspeak and in gangs I can assure you that it is pretty much an accurate reflection of what's said during ops and idle time
I don't think the language featured on a GoonFleet keyboard would go over too well with the local moderators.
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Jon Ominor
Magellanic Itg GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius I suspect with a lot of people the issue with Remedial's leadership style is not that he's running GS as a ruthless dictatorship, but that he appears to be doing it badly. Castro vs Mao - the analogies are all fairly obvious if you think about it properly for a few seconds.
I don't know how you define "running it badly" but...well, I can't see how things are going badly at all. A dictatorship actually works great in this game. There are way, way too many difference between a real-life dictatorship and the ones in EVE to even begin comparing, but here's a key difference and a key similarity. The difference is that if you don't like the dictatorship in the game, you can just say "whatever" and go elsewhere, and no one's going to point a gun at your head demanding you stay. The similarity is that the dictator himself is usually an absurdly driven, selfish person (be it power, glory, money, etc).
What sets Rem apart is that he is so intensely devoted to the success and well-being of this alliance. It's clearly not for money, and if it is for power or glory, that's fine with me because I couldn't ask for a better alliance to be in. And it's not like he's walking the path to power and glory on the corpses of his subjects. You're not going to get anywhere by trying to make 2,500 people who are playing an entirely optional COMPUTER GAME do things they don't want to do in the first place. And GoonSwarm just keeps on getting bigger, and it's not because there are a lot of non-GoonFleet corps being added to the alliance (there are, but corps like mine are a drop in the bucket compared to GF's numbers).
As for the "Well he made fun of someone who died" thing, EVE is a part of the internet, which is located entirely within the real world. If Leno made a joke about someone who blew himself up fishing with dynamite, would you be horribly offended? Probably not, but that person's family and friends sure would be. The only people who need to try and please everyone are real life politicians, and they're not very good at it despite their careers hinging on it!
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Grayton on 17/07/2006 09:54:32 I mean the utmost respect to every alliance I mention in the following. None of this is meant in detriment, it is merely an analogy (which I know us goons love so much).
Eve is sort of just like one big giant high school. You've got the star football team (BoB) that like to go around doing pretty much whatever they want, you've got the super rich kids (ASCN) that like to drive their BMW's (Outposts) to school every day, you've got those hooligans that drive around each night hitting mailboxes with baseball bats and tp'ing houses (Burn Eden) that you can just never seem to catch, there's the foreign students who you're never quite sure what they're saying in that crazy language you can't understand (D2) but you know they've got something going on over at that lunch table they sit at, you've got all the clueless freshman just trying to survive their first year (Empire newbies) and some freshmen-no-longer that like to stick to what's safe (pure Empire residents), those weird European guys that always talk with their crazy accents that you can't always understand but they seem pretty cool so you always give them a "sup?" when you see them (E.R.A.), those crazy Russians (Red Alliance), the loner group of guys that will "take care of things" for a price (KIA) and the guys who will do the same but also seem to hang out with the football team quite a bit (MC), a whole slew of others I'm probably missing, and then you've got us Goons.
Now us Goons are like the mentally challenged class. We all stick together but because of what we are, we know that we will probably never get along with most of the rest of the school. We may make some pretty good friends like the Europeans and a bunch of smaller groups that hang out with us all the time and we're not really sure why but man do we love them for being our friends (TFC, VIDEO, SMASH, LIDY, MAGEL, DPG, and anyone else I'm forgetting!), but overall we don't really get along with most everyone else, just because of who we are. The thing is, though, that not all of us are on the same level. Those of us that have less crippling handicaps (Remedial and Hoegaarden for example) have risen up to try and help the rest of us grow and prosper in our own little mentally challenged way. They show us the sports fields and the playgrounds and all of the four square pads and make sure we get to play against the other kids. We may not win all the time, we may not lose all the time, but at least we get to play. The thing is, these guys can't always understand one another very clearly just due to their mental nature, and sometimes there's yelling and screaming until one of these guys transfers schools cause he can't take it anymore.
Due to who we are, it's very rare that people understand us, however. Often times what we say and do is misinterpreted- we meant to say one thing but it comes out the wrong way due to birth defects. Now, sometimes, this gets us into trouble, and we have to get ourselves out of it. Good thing we have an advantage, as the other groups think beating up a few mentally handicapped kids is pretty easy. They just don't expect the fact that we're so tight knit that we all come yelling and screaming at them. Sure, we may trip and fall and hurt ourselves. Sure, a lot of us will get beaten up since we can't match the physicality of our attackers. But we all go for it and we go for it as hard as we can to defend our brothers. So it doesn't really matter if no one else understands us. We understand each other and we'll come to each other's aid, no matter what the cost.
Or, to rephrase that entire thing, all it comes down to, is that GoonSwarm walks like this, while the rest of Eve walks like this...
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Shimpu
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: Shimpu on 17/07/2006 10:01:56
Originally by: Anita Haircut
Originally by: The Mittani Imagine, if you will, a school bus full of special needs children doped to the gills on crystal meth. Now imagine that you've given them all sharp objects and a few handguns, and convinced them all that what they REALLY WANT is to die for Dear Leader and take someone with them in the process.
Then you take that bus, dump nitrous into the gas tank, supercharge the engine, lock the accelerator at full throttle and point that bus in the general direction of your enemies, and just before you leap out of it you put the most hyperactive of the meth-addicted tard kids behind the wheel and tell him to have fun and that he's an excellent driver.
That's what it's like being a Goonswarm director. It's not pretty, but the fireworks are spectacular. ^_^
This made me laugh SO HARD I spit beer out of my nose!!!!!!
I love GOON. You guys are awesome in my book. Those arrogant D2 "we have more SP than you and have been in alliances forever so listen to us or die" types need to be put into their place. Their time has come and gone. Time for GOON to wipe them out.
I dislike Goon. But I hate you bandwaggoners. All this power to the people illusions. Goons tactic is to throw meat at their hostiles. It's not about tactics but just about what every player who isn't clueless tries to avoid: the 'blob'. The normal Goon player is totally insignificant. Even directors get threated like dirt from Remedial. I don't know about you but I can imagine better things in a game than virtual facism.
Then we have a couple of dedicated players (aka directors) which organize the logistics part and other important things. In XZH they did a damn impressive job. But guess what: They bring that stuff with carriers and share their accounts to do it 24/7. So no low SP revolution here. I had some sympathy for goons and also expressed it on the forum. But after the XZH incident (yes, we will win! ) and the leaked "spank-a-director" thread, the impressions I got are enough to say: "End yourself Goonswarm!".
Originally by: Unknown Scout "ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming." |
Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 17/07/2006 10:10:42
Originally by: Degaal Valen
Originally by: Joerd Toastius Are you really, honestly surprised at all the negative reactions that you've got in light of this?
Who said we're surprised?
If you were expecting it, why the complaints?
Originally by: Jon Ominor I don't know how you define "running it badly" but...well, I can't see how things are going badly at all. A dictatorship actually works great in this game. There are way, way too many difference between a real-life dictatorship and the ones in EVE to even begin comparing, but here's a key difference and a key similarity. The difference is that if you don't like the dictatorship in the game, you can just say "whatever" and go elsewhere, and no one's going to point a gun at your head demanding you stay. The similarity is that the dictator himself is usually an absurdly driven, selfish person (be it power, glory, money, etc).
I'm not objecting to intelligent dictatorship. However, if those logs are accurate, then he's trying to run a 2000+ player alliance while displaying a total lack of respect for and trust in his command staff. This, I think, is a spectacularly bad idea.
Up until a couple of months ago, the Goons were the Barbarians - sallying forth from secure strongholds, raping and pillaging, and then pulling back to regroup. Remedial's command style sounds pretty much perfect for this - generally all you need is enough ships and good fleet command skills and everyone's happy. However, now they're trying to play the Romans game - sallying out, laying waste to the target area and then trying to control it - and that's a whole different ballgame.
Which is why I personally am so disturbed by those forum logs. Ok, so Remedial fell out with a director. It happens, and if it was someone minor like a diplomat or a general or someone, big deal. However, from what I'm reading, he's fallen out with his logistics chief, who's now left the alliance. I sincerely hope he's got a fully-trained and fully-briefed replacement waiting in the wings, because if he hasn't he's probably about to lose the war he's currently fighting. As I said, welcome to Alliance Warfare 2.0.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:09:00 -
[235]
I'm really torn on this.
On the one side, the goons are a bunch of tasteless bastards, and Remedial is a crazy, childish autocrat.
However, on the other side, you guys are great for eve, seem to have a lot of fun, Remedial seems to be a damn good commander and alliance head, sometimes have an inspired sense of humour and Remedial seems to have the most loyalty of any commander I have ever seen in Eve. Plus, you do bring us the finest in drama
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:14:00 -
[236]
Edited by: Floppy Disk on 17/07/2006 10:15:07
Originally by: Shimpu I dislike Goon. But I hate you bandwaggoners. All this power to the people illusions. Goons tactic is to throw meat at their hostiles. It's not about tactics but just about what every player who isn't clueless tries to avoid: the 'blob'. The normal Goon player is totally insignificant. Even directors get threated like dirt from Remedial. I don't know about you but I can imagine better things in a game than virtual facism.
We were outnumbered in our major engagements with you 3:2. Also, we have incredibly talented FCs, some of whom taught by the best, a certain drunk Australian. If goons were insigificant, we would lose every time we're outnumbered and we aren't.
Originally by: HippoKing Plus, you do bring us the finest in drama
We're thinking of getting our own show on TNT.
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Vile rat
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:18:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Floppy Disk We were outnumbered in our major engagements with you 3:2. Also, we have incredibly talented FCs, some of whom taught by the best, a certain drunk Australian. If goons were insigificant, we would lose every time we're outnumbered and we aren't.
Australian? oh god now you've done it.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:21:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Floppy Disk Edited by: Floppy Disk on 17/07/2006 10:15:07
Originally by: Shimpu I dislike Goon. But I hate you bandwaggoners. All this power to the people illusions. Goons tactic is to throw meat at their hostiles. It's not about tactics but just about what every player who isn't clueless tries to avoid: the 'blob'. The normal Goon player is totally insignificant. Even directors get threated like dirt from Remedial. I don't know about you but I can imagine better things in a game than virtual facism.
We were outnumbered in our major engagements with you 3:2. Also, we have incredibly talented FCs, some of whom taught by the best, a certain drunk Australian. If goons were insigificant, we would lose every time we're outnumbered and we aren't.
Originally by: HippoKing Plus, you do bring us the finest in drama
We're thinking of getting our own show on TNT.
the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing. --------------------------------
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:22:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Floppy Disk We were outnumbered in our major engagements with you 3:2. Also, we have incredibly talented FCs, some of whom taught by the best, a certain drunk Australian. If goons were insigificant, we would lose every time we're outnumbered and we aren't.
Australian? oh god now you've done it.
seriously how can you confuse nationalities like that Floppy I don't know how you could think that was Australian the only Australian I even know of is Kiwillian anyway
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Stab Wound
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:32:00 -
[240]
Quote:
Goodluck getting any allies from now on that arnt desperate or users themselves.
Hate to break it to you, but all alliances do this. Most just don't admit it because political correctness wins. In my humble opinion, this game was made for Macchiavellian politics.
People seem to (want to?) read too much into this drama. Personally I think openness and saying what you actually think is good, even if it causes some drama (as long as it's a valid concern and not just to provoke/troll). Besides, I think the SA people are used to more drama than most internet communities.
On the other hand I feel sorry for the GF directors who feel like their efforts are wasted, but I want to wish good luck to goonfleet anyway. It's nice to have a new "big player" in this game and I personally much prefer more strong and self-sufficient alliances popping up, than just another weak alliance/corp who go into 0.0 to become a stronger alliance's mining biatches.
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Jon Ominor
Magellanic Itg GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:34:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I sincerely hope he's got a fully-trained and fully-briefed replacement waiting in the wings, because if he hasn't he's probably about to lose the war he's currently fighting. As I said, welcome to Alliance Warfare 2.0.
There's more than one person doing any one thing, yes. In fact I couldn't even tell you who exactly the "logistics chief" is or was, assuming there even was one. Roles seem to be filled as they're needed.
I dunno, maybe other alliances have like Local POS Fuelers 418 and only that union is allowed to put strontium into the POSes in their assigned region because if someone else does it they go on strike or something.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:49:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Jon Ominor
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I sincerely hope he's got a fully-trained and fully-briefed replacement waiting in the wings, because if he hasn't he's probably about to lose the war he's currently fighting. As I said, welcome to Alliance Warfare 2.0.
There's more than one person doing any one thing, yes. In fact I couldn't even tell you who exactly the "logistics chief" is or was, assuming there even was one. Roles seem to be filled as they're needed.
I dunno, maybe other alliances have like Local POS Fuelers 418 and only that union is allowed to put strontium into the POSes in their assigned region because if someone else does it they go on strike or something.
Meh. Sounds to me like a good way to lose a POS war, judging by what I've seen so far.
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Temari Kurita
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:51:00 -
[243]
I have only been playing this game for a month.
I enjoy losing my frigate in a suicide rush towards a T2 sniping battleship, and all I think about when I am killed is how quickly can I get into a spare ship and get back to the fight. I enjoy fighting for conqueorable space, because this is the first game where winning the fight actually means something. I really don't care too much about the politics of the game, becuase I am here to have fun.... That's why they call it a game.
I am a member of Goonswarm.
To Cmdr Woodlouse (and the rest of the D2 folks, incl. IRON, YW, RZR, etc): I look forward to fighting you in space. Sure you may kill me more often than I get you, but I'll always be back for another shot because somehow, someway, someday I will kill you too.
And then salute you as a gallant and worthy foe.
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:59:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Vile rat
Australian? oh god now you've done it. I lack Geographic skills.
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Ismern
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:29:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Floppy Disk Edited by: Floppy Disk on 17/07/2006 10:15:07
Originally by: Shimpu I dislike Goon. But I hate you bandwaggoners. All this power to the people illusions. Goons tactic is to throw meat at their hostiles. It's not about tactics but just about what every player who isn't clueless tries to avoid: the 'blob'. The normal Goon player is totally insignificant. Even directors get threated like dirt from Remedial. I don't know about you but I can imagine better things in a game than virtual facism.
We were outnumbered in our major engagements with you 3:2. Also, we have incredibly talented FCs, some of whom taught by the best, a certain drunk Australian. If goons were insigificant, we would lose every time we're outnumbered and we aren't.
Originally by: HippoKing Plus, you do bring us the finest in drama
We're thinking of getting our own show on TNT.
the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
Most of our losses are missing? Haha! "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care." |
Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:38:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Ismern Most of our losses are missing? Haha!
There's a reason we've never posted a link to our killboards in the official killboard thread. Since so many of our players are new, we have a hard time getting everyone to always post every killmail and lossmail. So we've never claimed that our killboard is completely authoritative, although we do attempt to make it so.
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Won Ton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:40:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
You were never there. You were in the hospital with a collapsed lung, by your own account. How would you know either way what happened? Of course everybody knows that D2 is an alliance based on integrity, it's not like you guys would ever lie to further your own purposes! Maybe you should save the arguing for people who have a clue, Commander. Like, the people who were present for the battles. It's also a bit old to keep mentioning our killboard. Yes, everyone knows that GoonSwarm loses metric ****loads of ships, big deal. It's not about the process, it's about the result.
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Piter Blake
Rex Gloriae
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:40:00 -
[248]
There is more drama in this thread than in the whole Eastenders series. -- Quis est Rex Gloria ? |
Microsoft Sam
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:51:00 -
[249]
Goons say Remedial says Everyone else says
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Izko Serca
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:51:00 -
[250]
Edited by: Izko Serca on 17/07/2006 11:54:41
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
First of all, I would suggest re-reading what my fellow alliance member wrote. He was talking about gang size--not kills.
There is no bullcrap here. Any screenshots or videos of the 3 different days where D2 sieged our POSes, at the infamous loss of 9 dreads total, display a simple fact: D2 constantly outnumbered us on each and every engagement, only to leave after twice unsuccessfuly sieging a POS and once putting a non-critical POS into reinforced. Moreover, two of the (three) main D2 engagements occured during waning European primetime, many hours before US primetime.
GoonSwarm has always shown up to defend XZH, incindentally the sole obligation of a defender during war, when D2 has done what an aggressor's job and attacked. It is not our job--nor is it even common decency--for a defender to attack on terms beneficial for the attacker. You will find no evidence of such "tactics" anywhere in modern warfare, nor will you find such occurrences in the EVE universe. Such logic would make any military tactician roll their eyes so frantically their faces would resemble slot-machines.
Furthermore, GoonSwarm in no way intentionally hides numbers. While our own killboard may lack losses, its ratio of kill:loss representation is still much greater than D2's or YouWhat's. We do not hide behind our killboard. There is something grand in the idea of a relentless pursuit of our goals--and that is what our losses represent. No matter the odds or casualties, GoonSwarm will continue to fight for the things we want.
A few weeks ago we stumbled into a region that had fallen into disarray, that region was Cloud Ring. Once this was made public the boards were filled with comments by D2 and SteelViper pilots alike to the tune of "GoonSwarm will be gone within the week". We seized an opportunity, and we have defended XZH against everything you have thrown at us thus far: double-digit dreads, relentless sniping, and POS spamming (which we did not initiate, something that the EVEmails concerning what alliance erected what POS and when fully support).
What matters isn't who has the most killboard losses, or who lost the most dreads, or who lost the most POSes, or who stays up the latest at night. What matters is who is left in the system once the space-dust has settled. It may not be GoonSwarm in the end, but I know I'll be spending my time once downtime is over flying my frigate head-on into anyone that suggests otherwise.
I've had some good fights (although you were only in the first one), and plan on many more. Let's leave the killboard/lag/exploit/drama/whatever whining out of this and have some fun PEW PEWing each other instead.
EDIT: By the way, this is my main. I'm a newbie and apparently my account is one of the many bugged accounts whose portraits don't show, etc.
The words expressed in this post are my personal views and ideas. I do not speak officially for my corp or my alliance. |
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Melchom
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:54:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Izko Serca
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
First of all, I would suggest re-reading what my fellow alliance member wrote. He was talking about gang size--not kills.
There is no bullcrap here. Any screenshots or videos of the 3 different days where D2 sieged our POSes, at the infamous loss of 9 dreads total, display a simple fact: D2 constantly outnumbered us on each and every engagement, only to leave after twice unsuccessfuly sieging a POS and once putting a non-critical POS into reinforced. Moreover, two of the (three) main D2 engagements occured during waning European primetime, many hours before US primetime.
GoonSwarm has always shown up to defend XZH, incindentally the sole obligation of a defender during war, when D2 has done what an aggressor's job and attacked. It is not our job--nor is it even common decency--for a defender to attack on terms beneficial for the attacker. You will find no evidence of such "tactics" anywhere in modern warfare, nor will you find such occurrences in the EVE universe. Such logic would make any military tactician roll their eyes so frantically their faces would resemble slot-machines.
Furthermore, GoonSwarm in no way intentionally hides numbers. While our own killboard may lack losses, its ratio of kill:loss representation is still much greater than D2's or YouWhat's. We do not hide behind our killboard. There is something grand in the idea of a relentless pursuit of our goals--and that is what our losses represent. No matter the odds or casualties, GoonSwarm will continue to fight for the things we want.
A few weeks ago we stumbled into a region that had fallen into disarray, that region was Cloud Ring. Once this was made public the boards were filled with comments by D2 and SteelViper pilots alike to the tune of "GoonSwarm will be gone within the week". We seized an opportunity, and we have defended XZH against everything you have thrown at us thus far: double-digit dreads, relentless sniping, and POS spamming (which we did not initiate, something that the EVEmails concerning what alliance erected what POS and when fully support).
What matters isn't who has the most killboard losses, or who lost the most dreads, or who lost the most POSes, or who stays up the latest at night. What matters is who is left in the system once the space-dust has settled. null It may not be GoonSwarm in the end, but I know I'll be spending my time once downtime is over flying my frigate head-on into anyone that suggests otherwise.
ahhh now comes the knowledge ^^
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:57:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Izko Serca
What matters isn't who has the most killboard losses, or who lost the most dreads, or who lost the most POSes, or who stays up the latest at night. What matters is who is left in the system once the space-dust has settled.
exactly ... but it isn't over yet ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:00:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 17/07/2006 12:05:25 Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 17/07/2006 12:00:43 OMG this thread is so pathetic..
Lol goons actually syaing they have beat D2 when D2 outnumbered them??? HAHAHAHA
So many times i have lead fleets up against 5-1 odds vs the goons and I quite franskly spanked the **** out of you guys.. You FC are imcompetent and I cant stop laughing that you actually think you FC got some tactical sence.. Well maybe you just havent seen any other FC so thats ok..
And trust me our KB and fraps are proff enough..
Link to fraps
These fraps preatty much sums up every fleet battle the goons decide to fight in the first week of XZH.. After the first week goons refuse to fight anymore.
Link to E-R killboard I decide to link the E-R killboard becuase thats 100% acurate why? becuase E-R members get isk from there losses and you can get kicked out from E-R if you dont post..
If you check out the E-R KB you can see just 1 D2 corp have done 14billion od dmg towards the goons while the goons have done 2billion worth of dmg.. This is just 1 D2 corp my dear goons.. So yea the amount of dmg clearly demonstrate how the goons are kicking our ass and I think we have to dispand D2 and E-R soon we simply cant take these losses
Anyway thss hole "war" is not an war anymore there is no fighting and I feel comepletly useless atm... First week was fun goons actually fought us but now simply becuase of every time they assample a fleet and try to fight us they getting spanked so hard.. You cant win a war goons if you wont fight for it and are losing every single fleet battle...
Nahh again I really liked the goons and respected i found there concept interesting but that was when they actually fought us..
Trying to bribe E-R to leave D2, lying about facts, there alts who are spouting Goatse picture on the forum simply make me wanna puke..And the comeplet lack of fighting, all they do is putting up POS everywhere.. 4 days ago E-R just got a 30man fleet with 8 bs in s-u becuase the goons and 3FA had a 120man fleet camping a gate so I actually thougth we would get a fight but no no first time i have ever seen 120man runnign away from 30 guys
Anyway when this is over Im gonna order E-R to GW to actually fight some guys who know how to fight and dont run away... V im comming soon lats hope its gonna be as much fun as in the old days Btw I hope LD got a new moros
Edit: BTW goons i got alot more fraps so keep up all the lying hehe just gonna make my next movie alot more fun
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Izko Serca
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:04:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
exactly ... but it isn't over yet
I thought that people on this forum had a knack for repeating things previously stated... now I'm sure of it. Of course it isn't over yet, would you have preferred if my post smacked of elitism and arrogance? There is little point to speak in such a manner when it is the actions of one and of the people who fly next them that make the difference.
We were told that GoonSwarm in XZH had an expiration date of a few days--well over 2 weeks ago. We are here to party and have had the greatest fun in the history of our alliance (new as it may be).
Downtime is over, and seeing as I am a Euro too, I am going to hop into my frigates and cruisers and do some shooting, I expect to see you there.
The words expressed in this post are my personal views and ideas. I do not speak officially for my corp or my alliance. |
Jacinto Naysmith
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:06:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
I've avoided posting in here, but I assume you're referring to the statement of us being outnumbered 3:2 in most of the major engagements? I've been at every battle in which we've killed dreadnoughts defending our POS's, and from what I recall the number in our gang has been significantly lower then half of the number in local. I also don't remember seeing you in local in any of those battles, so I'd question whoever told you that we outnumbered you.
Fighting on these forums is rather dumb and accomplishes nothing, I'll keep the fighting to in game whenever possible. Thankfully the actions of the pilots in game speak louder then the words of the forum warriors. Unlike a lot of posters on this forum, I've seen very little smack and complaining from the pilots (on all sides) battling these pasts weeks.
The ruthless never ending fighting in XZH has been some of the best fleet combat I've seen in EVE despite the nearly unplayable lag at some points. Its a shame we haven't seen combat like that recently, hopefully we'll see more in the future.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:06:00 -
[256]
well there is a hell of a lot of goon pilots writing into this thread.... I think its great...what I really like is that the majority of them are actually coherent posts, often fairly amusing.. by the most part they seem an educated bunch, contrary to my original pre-conception of them being a swarm of mindless noobs.
Remedial may be an autocrat and have no manners.. but at he seems to have the loyalty of his enormous corp .. kudos to him. I love to see a new entity in EVE that believes so steadfastly in pvp and willingness to take orders, my kind of thinking tbh...
Looks like goonfleet are here to stay, we might as well get used to them
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:07:00 -
[257]
All I can say Lunas is see you on the battlefield. I'm not going to be baited. You consider your KB 100%, we consider no KB 100% accurate. See you when the dust settles in Cloud Ring.
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:09:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Nez Perces well there is a hell of a lot of goon pilots writing into this thread.... I think its great...what I really like is that the majority of them are actually coherent posts, often fairly amusing.. by the most part they seem an educated bunch, contrary to my original pre-conception of them being a swarm of mindless noobs.
Terrible posters don't last long on somethingawful. Unless it's FYAD or you are Bigpeeler.
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Wattish
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:13:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Floppy Disk Terrible posters don't last long on somethingawful. Unless it's FYAD or you are Bigpeeler.
He got banned its just FYAD now.
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:15:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Floppy Disk All I can say Lunas is see you on the battlefield. I'm not going to be baited. You consider your KB 100%, we consider no KB 100% accurate. See you when the dust settles in Cloud Ring.
Which battlefield m8??? I see no battlefield..all I see is POS..
Btw if you are quistion the E-R killboard acuracy you the first corp who has ever done that..Every1 knows that the E-R killboards is one of the most acurate ingame.. If you find a mail with an E-R member who hasnt been posted on our board ill send you 15mil isk for every mail, Thats how confident I am in the acuracy of the E-R killboard
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Zosh
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:16:00 -
[261]
Edited by: Zosh on 17/07/2006 12:16:39
Originally by: Nez Perces well there is a hell of a lot of goon pilots writing into this thread.... I think its great...what I really like is that the majority of them are actually coherent posts, often fairly amusing.. by the most part they seem an educated bunch, contrary to my original pre-conception of them being a swarm of mindless noobs.
Remedial may be an autocrat and have no manners.. but at he seems to have the loyalty of his enormous corp .. kudos to him. I love to see a new entity in EVE that believes so steadfastly in pvp and willingness to take orders, my kind of thinking tbh...
Looks like goonfleet are here to stay, we might as well get used to them
Note that unlike every other alliance in the game, we didn't join goonfleet to play EVE, we joined EVE to play in goonfleet. So yeah, there are a lot of newbies all the time, I myself joined goonfleet 2 hours after I created my character 6 months ago. The game's just fun with goons, regardless of who's leading or what our objectives are. It's not really loyalty to Remedial, for myself anyways. He's a good leader and all but we're fighting for ourselves, for the alliance - for the existence and growth of goonfleet.
Also, you can read the propaganda from d2, or you can look at the results. We're still in XZH after they said they'd remove us weeks ago.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:19:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Floppy Disk All I can say Lunas is see you on the battlefield. I'm not going to be baited. You consider your KB 100%, we consider no KB 100% accurate. See you when the dust settles in Cloud Ring.
Exactly. Just by looking at our (very inaccurate due to newbies not reporting losses) killboard, I've already found E-R losses that have not been reported on the E-R board. Not to mention the fact there is no such thing as an accurate ISK calculator for killboards (pods @ 5m may work for other alliances but not for GS losses).
This just reinterates what others have said. Numbers don't matter. Killboards don't matter. ISK losses don't matter. Ultimately the winner is determined by who is standing at the end, not by who has killed the most or lost the least or inflicted the most monetary damage. So you can post the links to your killboards and your fraps videos and voice your opinion on how lame you think we are, but it won't matter. Only when the dust settles will we see who wins, and that dust has not settled yet.
So like my fellow goons in this thread, I too will say: see you on the battlefield, whether you think one exists or not.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:20:00 -
[263]
Edited by: KIATolon on 17/07/2006 12:25:46 Edited by: KIATolon on 17/07/2006 12:20:55
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ...stuff
And one goonswarm corp did about 30 bils worth of damage to d2 for about 200mils worth of losses (one of the small corps on every dread killmail)
Does that make then 12548.42% better than E-R at everything, including especially (but not exclusively) fooling about with stats to make themselves look good?
If you call losing the system AND 11 dreads a win, then I wish you many more wins in the future.
Edit: Lunas will you give ME 15 mil for every E-R losses not posted on the e-r boards? Also, how much do I get for D2 losses not posted?
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Vile rat
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:23:00 -
[264]
Originally by: KIATolon Edited by: KIATolon on 17/07/2006 12:20:55
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ...stuff
And one goonswarm corp did about 30 bils worth of damage to d2 for about 200mils worth of losses (one of the small corps on every dread killmail)
Does that make then 12548.42% better than E-R at everything, including especially (but not exclusively) fooling about with stats to make themselves look good?
If you call losing the system AND 11 dreads a win, then I wish you many more wins in the future.
Spoken like a true Australian.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:26:00 -
[265]
Bonza
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:27:00 -
[266]
Regarding the recent D2 smack posts, the perception seems to be like this:
Established alliances pvp in fleet battles, GoonSwarm blobs.
Established alliances contest soverignty of a system, GoonSwarm POS spams.
Established alliances soberly consider political realities, GoonSwarm is Machiavellian.
Established alliances use pvp skill and tactics, Goonswarm uses lag and exploits.
How long until this ridiculous doubletalk reaches the level of,
'Established Alliances find things, GoonSwarm loots things.'
Anyway, thank god that D2 is the only one of these 'established alliances' that seems to really believe this. It is heartening to see that some BoB posters are willing to give us the benefit of the doubt.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:31:00 -
[267]
Because there isn't really any doubt Mittani.
Everyone knows what's going on here, and people like Lunas insisting they've not lost a fleet battle EVER just reinforces that fact.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 17/07/2006 12:32:35
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood If you find a mail with an E-R member who hasnt been posted on our board ill send you 15mil isk for every mail, Thats how confident I am in the acuracy of the E-R killboard
Date:Time:Pilot Name:Pilot Corp:Shiptype:Shipclass:# Involved People:System:Region:Killpoints
2006.06.22 23:40:00 Sacred Spirit Euphoria Released Megathron Battleship 5 0.0 8S28-3 Deklein 111939
2006.07.06 17:22:00 Acid Man2 Euphoria Released Maller Cruiser 3 0.0 8S28-3 Deklein 9639
2006.06.17 18:19:00 death chant Euphoria Released Rifter Frigate 1 0.0 X4UV-Z Branch 280
I could go on a bit, making ISK without even being able to login to EVE is amusing me.
EDIT: Also, this is what you get if your members smacktalk me for killing em, then trying to cheat on a 1v1 and fail.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Originally by: KIATolon Because there isn't really any doubt Mittani.
Everyone knows what's going on here, and people like Lunas insisting they've not lost a fleet battle EVER just reinforces that fact.
Oh, come now Tolon. They're just having fun and being chill, it's all about good fights, and losing 11 cap ships is nothing to guys as rich as this! Their beds are made out out of faction battleships... and they didn't want Cloud Ring in the first place!
Also, everyone knows that they only lost those cap ships due to lag and exploits, because low-sp players could NEVER EVER EVER LA LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU hold a candle to anything D2 puts forth. So these goons are all cheaters anyway and CCP should give D2 their dreads back.
Am I doing this right?
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Richard Face
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:36:00 -
[270]
lunas maybe you could make your next video about how the second-most powerful alliance in EVE manages to lose a whole region despite winning every fleet battle? tia
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Vile rat
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Vile rat on 17/07/2006 12:42:14 22:06:00 07/15 S-U8A4 Uggs386 Malediction 05:27:00 07/15 M2-CF1 Tranquil Suul Claw 09:56:00 07/14 9-4RP2 8RaM Megathron 07:42:00 07/14 XZH-4X dellie Ares
I'll leave some for the rest so the money can be spread around fairly.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:41:00 -
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Date: 2006-05-31 18:23:00 Victim: Christopher Multsanti Coorperation: Euphoria Released
Date: 2006-05-29 18:55:00 Victim: Voltron Coorperation: Euphoria Released
Date: 2006-05-28 22:45:00 Victim: Narciss Sevar Coorperation: Euphoria Released
I only checked the last 10 of your losses.
You owe me 45 mil. Can you let me know how I check all of the e.r.a kills against E-R please?
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces Looks like goonfleet are here to stay, we might as well get used to them
Yes, so let's please be respectful, stop the killboard discussions, exploit discussions, and maybe good discussion can continue. ___
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NOObbody
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:46:00 -
[274]
Originally by: The Mittani
Also, everyone knows that they only lost those cap ships due to lag and exploits, because low-sp players could NEVER EVER EVER LA LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU hold a candle to anything D2 puts forth. So these goons are all cheaters anyway and CCP should give D2 their dreads back.
Am I doing this right?
They were reimbursed, so someone thinks we¦re telling teh truth.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:48:00 -
[275]
How many dreads have you had reimbursed?
Eleven?
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:48:00 -
[276]
Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 17/07/2006 12:49:07 Isk will be comming right up as soon as I log in..
I still stand by what I sayd the E-R killbaird is one of the most acurate ingame..
Again if you got more mails send them to me and ill send you the isk and paste them on our board
Btw tolon i knwo you have lead alot of the goonfleets but like always m8 I seem to school you everytime we meet
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:51:00 -
[277]
Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 17/07/2006 12:52:42
Originally by: Jacinto Naysmith I've avoided posting in here, but I assume you're referring to the statement of us being outnumbered 3:2 in most of the major engagements? I've been at every battle in which we've killed dreadnoughts defending our POS's, and from what I recall the number in our gang has been significantly lower then half of the number in local. I also don't remember seeing you in local in any of those battles, so I'd question whoever told you that we outnumbered you.
Dude, not to try and take anything away from GS's success in XZH (yes, you guys are holding out a lot longer than anyone expected - props to everyone involved in the GS logistics effort, particularly Hoegaarden by the sounds of it), but fighting outnumbered at your own POS isn't usually considered a particularly bold move. For one thing, most sane alliances would bring every big hitter in the system in to protect a major POS under attack as a matter of straightforward economics - BS are insured, POS aren't. And for another, "gang numbers" (and I'd question the wisdom of calculating these purely by subtracting from local - this can leave you 50+ out in a busy system) fail to take into account things like large turrets, which I assume I needn't remind you aren't exactly slouches in the damage-output deparment.
tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:54:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Kesslar Znel
The worst thing about Remedial's joke about smoksie was that it wasn't as funny as it should have been.
Seriously, goons love to make fun of dead people. If Remedial died it would be 10 minutes before we'd be photoshopping his autopsy photos. If dead people want us to stop making fun of them they should stop dying.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:00:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points
The reason we're bringing it up is the fact we're being accused of "blobbing" and lag exploits at battles where we've been outnumbered, rather than a desire for brownie points, though I do think our fleet commanders did an excellent job of maximizing the effects of the POS's support.
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Alaesa
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:05:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Urikko
Originally by: Alaesa
Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.
We have? Wow, how fast we run through 70,000 goons. We haven't hit the tip of the iceberg in new players really.
dont be an idiot.
you have run through all the SA Forum members who want to play eve. I should be more exact here and say most of the SA forum members.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:10:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Alaesa dont be an idiot.
you have run through all the SA Forum members who want to play eve. I should be more exact here and say most of the SA forum members.
Well it's official, guys. Better scrap the next newbie drive.
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John Moscroft
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:11:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Alaesa
Originally by: Urikko
Originally by: Alaesa
Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.
We have? Wow, how fast we run through 70,000 goons. We haven't hit the tip of the iceberg in new players really.
dont be an idiot.
you have run through all the SA Forum members who want to play eve. I should be more exact here and say most of the SA forum members.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:11:00 -
[283]
Cmon lets see if we can bankrupt Lunas before the day is out folks. .... POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:15:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Cmon lets see if we can bankrupt Lunas before the day is out folks.
Discussion of killboards and pasting links to killboards is considered off topic and could be considered trolling. ___
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:18:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Alaesa dont be an idiot.
you have run through all the SA Forum members who want to play eve. I should be more exact here and say most of the SA forum members.
Well it's official, guys. Better scrap the next newbie drive.
It's true! There are seventy thousand SA members, each and every one of them has tried EVE and decided it wasn't for them. We're out of goons, it's over, veldspar, jita.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:20:00 -
[286]
For many months people have complained about BoB members spamming threads in a swarm.
I think someone has usurpsed their position BoB's gonna be mad
--Proud member of the [23]--
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Richard Face
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:37:00 -
[287]
I have written a haiku
D2 builds thirty dreads What is a bee to do now? Jita, veldspar, etc
actually D2 is probably two syllables but whateva
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Inanna Sumer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:41:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Dark Shikari For many months people have complained about BoB members spamming threads in a swarm.
I think someone has usurpsed their position BoB's gonna be mad
This can hardly be unexpected, after all GoonFleet's core membership is comprised of people who paid $10 USD to post on an internet forum .
Originally by: The Mittani 'Established Alliances find things, GoonSwarm loots things.'
I wonder how many will get this reference, we can't all be minmatar I guess
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Happydayz
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces by the most part they seem an educated bunch, contrary to my original pre-conception of them being a swarm of mindless noobs.
It's a fallacy to equate being new in game with being new in life.
You're not guilty of this, but I have seen numerous posts on this forum where "elder" players talk down to newer ones as if they were children. Or, having more veteran players assume that they are smarter then people starting off just because they started playing Eve back in '03/'04. The irony is that I would wager that statistically speaking the age distribution is probably about even as to when people first started playing eve, with maybe even a slight bias towards those joining later being older on average. Would be interesting to see CCP's membership data on this assuming that they collect it.
The annoying thing about all these flames is that I'm sure everyone could have a rip-roaring good time getting drunk together. But it would be funny in a sort of junior high school way if during the next fan fest all the corps just hung out together in their own little clique.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 14:04:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points
The reason we're bringing it up is the fact we're being accused of "blobbing" and lag exploits at battles where we've been outnumbered, rather than a desire for brownie points, though I do think our fleet commanders did an excellent job of maximizing the effects of the POS's support.
Oh, sure, your POS defence strategies have been pretty good. Even given complaints about grid issues etc which could just be put down to very smart positioning, you've acquitted yourselves very well there. I just don't feel that POS defense fights are really relevant to discussions about fighting outnumbered, because it seems slightly unfair to ignore the starbase. But eh, ymmv.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.17 14:21:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Inanna Sumer
Originally by: Dark Shikari For many months people have complained about BoB members spamming threads in a swarm.
I think someone has usurpsed their position BoB's gonna be mad
This can hardly be unexpected, after all GoonFleet's core membership is comprised of people who paid $10 USD to post on an internet forum .
Originally by: The Mittani 'Established Alliances find things, GoonSwarm loots things.'
I wonder how many will get this reference, we can't all be minmatar I guess
I'm reminded of why im on tribalwar.com instead of SA.com soo many times over its re****ulous. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Whiskey Juvenile
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 14:53:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Raste Why do people describe FYAD when they say they're describing goons?
Because goons trying to be FYAD superstars while venturing forth into the great unwashed Internet is a way of life, apparently.
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Sir Tificate
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:30:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Raste Why do people describe FYAD when they say they're describing goons?
I think it is mainly because FYAD is the easiest part of SA to vilify and point out just how awful the entire SA community is (mainly because it is easy to misinterpret out of context of the entire boards). Subforums like Debate and Discussion (where alot of the heavy hitting GF members came from) or Pet Island just isn't as evil in the eyes of most people. I mean, could anyone really get mad about a forum that posts blind cat rescue stories?
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Sugoda Mookinson
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:45:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Inanna Sumer
Originally by: Dark Shikari For many months people have complained about BoB members spamming threads in a swarm.
I think someone has usurpsed their position BoB's gonna be mad
This can hardly be unexpected, after all GoonFleet's core membership is comprised of people who paid $10 USD to post on an internet forum .
Originally by: The Mittani 'Established Alliances find things, GoonSwarm loots things.'
I wonder how many will get this reference, we can't all be minmatar I guess
funny on so many levels, matter of fact thats going in my sig someway somehow, and as a minmatar i can tell you i stay looting things
to d2 and everyone else that has been involved with our war in the north, its been great fun and i look forward to seeing more, new and creative ways of making each other explode.
as for the swarm and our tactics, i'll say this much i dont think we'd have received this much attention if we always lost, people dont talk about losing tactics ad nausem or whine about losers invading their space.
aktivate schieldbooster!
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:50:00 -
[295]
Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 15:53:52 Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 15:51:33
Originally by: Sir Tificate
Originally by: Raste Why do people describe FYAD when they say they're describing goons?
I think it is mainly because FYAD is the easiest part of SA to vilify and point out just how awful the entire SA community is (mainly because it is easy to misinterpret out of context of the entire boards). Subforums like Debate and Discussion (where alot of the heavy hitting GF members came from) or Pet Island just isn't as evil in the eyes of most people. I mean, could anyone really get mad about a forum that posts blind cat rescue stories?
To explicate this for those who aren't goons:
SA == SomethingAwful.com, which is the site where the Goons in Goonfleet come from.
FYAD == (un-postable acronym). A subforum on SA where everything that would get you banned or suspended on other parts of the SA forums is allowed -- flaming, non-worksafe content, etc. Every post in FYAD actually decreases your post-count ticker, so long-term FYAD posters will have negative postcounts. Sortof the information-age equivalent of a leper colony.
Debate and Discussion == the politics and debate subforum on SA. Most of Goonfleet's initial recruiting was done here, which is why so many Goonfleet directors and former directors are law students or even actual lawyers.
Pet Island == the subforum for threads about cute animals. There were enough threads about bunnies, rabbits, "omg look at this picture of my puppy," etc. on SA that the moderators had to set up a special subforum just for that.
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Tassitus Mallinar
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:07:00 -
[296]
Edited by: Tassitus Mallinar on 17/07/2006 16:13:06
Originally by: Calenth Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 15:53:52 Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 15:51:33
Originally by: Sir Tificate
Originally by: Raste Why do people describe FYAD when they say they're describing goons?
I think it is mainly because FYAD is the easiest part of SA to vilify and point out just how awful the entire SA community is (mainly because it is easy to misinterpret out of context of the entire boards). Subforums like Debate and Discussion (where alot of the heavy hitting GF members came from) or Pet Island just isn't as evil in the eyes of most people. I mean, could anyone really get mad about a forum that posts blind cat rescue stories?
To explicate this for those who aren't goons:
SA == SomethingAwful.com, which is the site where the Goons in Goonfleet come from.
FYAD == (un-postable acronym). A subforum on SA where everything that would get you banned or suspended on other parts of the SA forums is allowed -- flaming, non-worksafe content, etc. Every post in FYAD actually decreases your post-count ticker, so long-term FYAD posters will have negative postcounts. Sortof the information-age equivalent of a leper colony.
Debate and Discussion == the politics and debate subforum on SA. Most of Goonfleet's initial recruiting was done here, which is why so many Goonfleet directors and former directors are law students or even actual lawyers.
Pet Island == the subforum for threads about cute animals. There were enough threads about bunnies, rabbits, "omg look at this picture of my puppy," etc. on SA that the moderators had to set up a special subforum just for that.
And the GF forums don't have the same posting rules when it comes to FYAD content as SA does, so it bleeds into our everday posting habits.
EDIT: And for those of you commenting about coherent post styles, we generally tend to follow the forum posting rules found here: SA Forum Rules
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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:29:00 -
[297]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/07/2006 16:32:14
Originally by: Tassitus Mallinar
EDIT: And for those of you commenting about coherent post styles, we generally tend to follow the forum posting rules found here: Inappropriate link removed -Abdalion
well if these are the rules you guys abide by..
I can only say welcome to this section of the EVE-online forums, hopefully quality of posting across the board will increase, cause sometimes there is some real garbage knocking around here...
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Minhjaal
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:34:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points
The reason we're bringing it up is the fact we're being accused of "blobbing" and lag exploits at battles where we've been outnumbered, rather than a desire for brownie points, though I do think our fleet commanders did an excellent job of maximizing the effects of the POS's support.
Oh, sure, your POS defence strategies have been pretty good. Even given complaints about grid issues etc which could just be put down to very smart positioning, you've acquitted yourselves very well there. I just don't feel that POS defense fights are really relevant to discussions about fighting outnumbered, because it seems slightly unfair to ignore the starbase. But eh, ymmv.
Be that as it may, its the fights at the POSes that are the ones that really count when taking control of a system. You dont usually see dreads with an escort force hanging out at planets, after all. Now, if we did we might actually answer the call to meet at a planet for a fleet engagement... ---------------------------------------------- My views and opinions in this post are my own and in no way reflect those of my corporation or alliance. |
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:36:00 -
[299]
Please don't post links to outside websites where even the rules page contains profanity.
And how about following our forum rules instead of somewhere elses?
Linkage to Rules ___
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Sir Tificate
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:41:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Nez Perces
well if these are the rules you guys abide by..
I can only say welcome to this section of the EVE-online forums, hopefully quality of posting across the board will increase, cause sometimes there is some real garbage knocking around here...
Well I know people like to make fun of the $10 registration fee, but that is exactly why we have it. It is a disincentivization for cruddy posting. Without it, you reprimand someone, and then what? If they get banned they just register a new account and all it costs them is the 2 minutes it takes to set it up. With the fee however you generally are encouraged to take a bit more time with the posts. So forums like the Eve ones, where stuff like "u" is seen all the time, is quite different than ours, and somewhat irritating, but childish to comment on in other threads so I just ignore it. And besides, given the amount of time and entertainment I recieve from the forums, it is more than worth the fee.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:52:00 -
[301]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/07/2006 16:54:45
Sorry abdalion, was not my intention to suggest that our forum rules are inadequate, simply that in general it seems that these Goon guys approach the forum with a slightly different (more professional?) attitude which may have a good influence on the rest of us (the users that is).
I could be wrong ofc...
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:05:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Sorry abdalion, was not my intention to suggest that our forum rules are inadequate, simply that in general it seems that these Goon guys approach the forum with a slightly different (more professional?) attitude which may have a good influence on the rest of us (the users that is).
I could be wrong ofc...
Wasn't worried about your reply, was concerned with the quoted link.
We welcome all users to the forums, and encourage them to abide by the rules.
And, I don't think you are going to be wrong. An educated posting population with good intent is a good thing. ___
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:09:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Sorry abdalion, was not my intention to suggest that our forum rules are inadequate, simply that in general it seems that these Goon guys approach the forum with a slightly different (more professional?) attitude which may have a good influence on the rest of us (the users that is).
I could be wrong ofc...
Think of it as a stupidity tax. On SA, if you post something like 'hurr hi2u gf hf gg ppl tbh to be perfectly honest u suX0r', you'll get banhammered so fast you'll get whiplash.
So if you stick around, you swiftly learn how to press the shift key and capitalize (FYAD nonwithstanding) and how not to act like a drooling AOL kiddie, lest you be out your :10bux:. Darwinism in action.
Anyway, I suspect that most of the eve-o community is rather surprised to see that we are actually quite literate and intelligent, thank you, now that we're allowed to post and aren't represented by idiotic alt-posters. Admittedly, we have a politically incorrect sense of humor and are HORRIBLE AWFUL NEWBIES who dare attack 'established alliances', but we're hardly the fools eve-o has been blithely making us out to be for the past year.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:14:00 -
[304]
Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 17/07/2006 17:19:01
Originally by: Minhjaal
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points
The reason we're bringing it up is the fact we're being accused of "blobbing" and lag exploits at battles where we've been outnumbered, rather than a desire for brownie points, though I do think our fleet commanders did an excellent job of maximizing the effects of the POS's support.
Oh, sure, your POS defence strategies have been pretty good. Even given complaints about grid issues etc which could just be put down to very smart positioning, you've acquitted yourselves very well there. I just don't feel that POS defense fights are really relevant to discussions about fighting outnumbered, because it seems slightly unfair to ignore the starbase. But eh, ymmv.
Be that as it may, its the fights at the POSes that are the ones that really count when taking control of a system. You dont usually see dreads with an escort force hanging out at planets, after all. Now, if we did we might actually answer the call to meet at a planet for a fleet engagement...
I refer you back to my previous answer. True? Yes. Relevant to the discussion? No. We're talking about who is prepared to fight outnumbered, not who is good at fighting at a POS which, I have already acknowledged, the Goons are good at. But it's not relevant to discussion of whether or not this fleet or that fleet is prepared to engage a force of superior size.
{edit} It's not a particularly big deal, either way. I don't rate suicidal FCs particularly high in most cases, unless it's Spar (corp member) because his Leeroys are too funny to pass up. Just making the simple point that saying "we engage outnumbered when we have a POS to back us up" is not, as you quoted me saying, going to earn you any pats on the back for being particularly brave or cunning.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:21:00 -
[305]
Originally by: The Mittani Anyway, I suspect that most of the eve-o community is rather surprised to see that we are actually quite literate and intelligent, thank you, now that we're allowed to post and aren't represented by idiotic alt-posters. Admittedly, we have a politically incorrect sense of humor and are HORRIBLE AWFUL NEWBIES who dare attack 'established alliances', but we're hardly the fools eve-o has been blithely making us out to be for the past year.
I think what amazes some of us is that as you are to a large degree quite literate, intelligent and not the fools you have blithely been made out to be you continue to allow Remedial to lead the corporation.
My guys would lynch me and rightly so if I had those kind of temper tantrums.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Vice Royy
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:24:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:56:15
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something.
I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies?
There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by)
This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space
He ovbiusly has some kind of WW2 tick, his ingame picture is Adolf ****** and tbh, he acts on his forums like him. Same for some other goon alts out here, talking about euthanism and other stuff.
Its just disgusting.
Disgusting or not...this game is role play game. Plenty of space for all. And since it is a game it should be opened for all type of roles, IMO. When you consider that majority of pilots is above 18 and 21, then their mind should be strong enough for not taking some things granted (as some things that in RL are considered bad, this is a game where "evil" is and should be part of it). If you are disgust with somebody in game, go out, kill it and get down with it/him/her.
Internal behaviour (inside corp orm alliance) is different. Pilots have option to step out from corp alliance if the dont feel comfort with...or overthrow leadership.
But in the end this is a game...and "barbarian" sort of leadeship and acting is only "+" for game in global.
If you read something on local that you dont feel comfort with..close local or dont read. If you get evemail with crap writen all over...petition it.
But telling someone how they should act and play this game is not something positive for game its self. This is only my opinion however, and i dont have problems with RL issue brought in game where i have control to handle with such
And about tactics or insults...no point to argue about it. You have input and output. Everything in between is variaty of ppl and their aproach. Final results count however, rest is just for forum whoring
It is disgusting that man who is beloved by houndres of goons is teaking a portrait of Adolf ****** a man who ordered to kill milions ppl in Europe, who ordered to kill some ppl from my owm family, who ordered to kill few millions ppl from my country. HOW SHOULD I RESPECT SUCH PLAYER!? Its sick that someone is taking so much care about a COMPUTER GAME. Its sick when someone is posting a racist words on those forums (gues who). This game is for fun but i see that theres a such man as Remedial who is crosing the line. Lets have fun, lets fight each other, lets play the game but there are some limits.
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:24:00 -
[307]
Eh, no one's perfect.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:36:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Blacklight
I think what amazes some of us is that as you are to a large degree quite literate, intelligent and not the fools you have blithely been made out to be you continue to allow Remedial to lead the corporation.
My guys would lynch me and rightly so if I had those kind of temper tantrums.
This is probably for two reasons:
1. We have more contact with Remedial than eve-o does, and thus know him better, flaws included, and most of us like him despite those flaws. Also, the issues which most of eve-o has with Remedial (his total, absolute lack of political correctness) isn't seen as a bad thing by goons; if anything, we exalt it.
2. GoonSwarm is larger than any one man. Some people in GS don't like Rem, but they love their fellow bees. It's not all about one individual, it's about goons working together with goons (and their friends) in EVE to accomplish concrete goals.
In any organization of 2500 people, you'll like some people, and you'll dislike others. You may love flying with a certain FC, though you may dislike the CEO; you may love your CEO and hate his directors.
Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the leak of our internal discussions shows nothing new; directors and CEOs frequently fight and those fights get intense. Especially if half the directorate are attorneys, and attorneys aren't known for backing down, ever.
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Ismern
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:44:00 -
[309]
Edited by: Ismern on 17/07/2006 17:44:59 All I have to say about this whole thing (aside from that slight killboard comment, which wasn't bad in and of itself in the slightest, but apparently between posting it and being here at work caused lots of smack and caused forum moderators to delete all of the posts pertaining to it) is that I have been enjoying myself immensely during the engagement.
I have enjoyed how we have endured against all odds and against all criticisms, but I know the fight is far from over. I would almost be disappointed to see D2 just roll over and leave, but at least I know that's not going to happen.
Bring on the fight guys, I still have ships to lose. ---------------- "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care." |
The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:44:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Vice Royy
big rant about Remedial, certain mustachioed dictators
Goon humor is not for everyone, and will often make the heads of non-goons explode with outrage and incomprehension.
I made an analogy earlier in this thread about meth-addicted 'special needs' children being shoved into a bus, handed firearms, and being brainwashed into launching themselves bodily at our foes. I suppose that I am a mean and sadistic person for finding the mental image hysterically amusing, but I do.
But hey, some people think 'The Family Circus' is funny. Takes all kinds, neh?
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Gareth Brynne
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:44:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Gareth Brynne on 17/07/2006 17:46:24
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points
The reason we're bringing it up is the fact we're being accused of "blobbing" and lag exploits at battles where we've been outnumbered, rather than a desire for brownie points, though I do think our fleet commanders did an excellent job of maximizing the effects of the POS's support.
Oh, sure, your POS defence strategies have been pretty good. Even given complaints about grid issues etc which could just be put down to very smart positioning, you've acquitted yourselves very well there. I just don't feel that POS defense fights are really relevant to discussions about fighting outnumbered, because it seems slightly unfair to ignore the starbase. But eh, ymmv.
This makes no sense. It's like saying the Russians didn't really win the Battle for Moscow because they were better adapted to fighting in the cold weather than the Germans. That sucks for the Germans, but they weren't adequately fit to fight in those conditions and they lost because of it. Just because the Russians had the advantage doesn't take anything less away from their victory against what many perceived as a greater opponent.
EDIT: This is my GS main.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:45:00 -
[312]
Originally by: The Mittani Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the leak of our internal discussions shows nothing new; directors and CEOs frequently fight and those fights get intense. Especially if half the directorate are attorneys, and attorneys aren't known for backing down, ever.
I agree, it does trivialise it - and until he changes his attitude and adjusts it, at least in eve and on these forums, so that WE can put up with it, you can rest assured that we will continue to do so.
It takes many men to be a success, it takes one man to f*ck it up - and that one man, in your case, is the man in charge - and he does so regularly.
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:50:00 -
[313]
Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 17:52:27
Originally by: Vice Royy
Edit : I dont mind whole GS organisation and its idea/tactic etc but i would be happy if there was someone other in thir ceo place.
Very, very few people other than Remedial would've ever had the megalomania and vision (really a fine line between the two) to even attempt to take over 0.0 space with swarms of newbies barely out of their trial accounts, much less to actually succeed in the attempt. You take the bad with the good. We respect Remedial for his vision, leadership, and tactical expertise, and then we call him a [censored] in private when he f***s up. Nobody's perfect, but there would never have been a Goonfleet in the first place without Remedial's leadership.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:53:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Dianabolic
I agree, it does trivialise it - and until he changes his attitude and adjusts it, at least in eve and on these forums, so that WE can put up with it, you can rest assured that we will continue to do so.
Then it is a good thing that we run our organization such that we goons enjoy it, rather than focusing on attempting to garner the acceptance of the eve-o public community. We don't recruit from the public, and never have; if we did, we wouldn't be able to behave like goons in an environment of our own choosing.
Also, you don't have to worry about dealing with Remedial on the forums behaving in a fashion that offends you; he got permabanned. ^_^
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Bitter Vet
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:53:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Dianabolic
It takes many men to be a success, it takes one man to f*ck it up - and that one man, in your case, is the man in charge - and he does so regularly.
yeah he sure has messed up goonswarm i mean just look at them
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kia anna
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:54:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Vice Royy
About a photo
Seems to me, Remedial is a despotic ruler demanding and receiving the adoration of countless followers, prone to irrational out-burst but possessing a disturbing charisma enabling him to send his minions to their certain deaths again and again to achive victoryŕ
Surely you can see the similarities here, lets not get too uptight over what is essentially self depreciating humor on his part.
<Insert joke about him overruling his generals, overextending his forces and getting his ass kicked here> =)
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:57:00 -
[317]
Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 17:59:38
Originally by: The Mittani 2. GoonSwarm is larger than any one man. Some people in GS don't like Rem, but they love their fellow bees. It's not all about one individual, it's about goons working together with goons (and their friends) in EVE to accomplish concrete goals.
In any organization of 2500 people, you'll like some people, and you'll dislike others. You may love flying with a certain FC, though you may dislike the CEO; you may love your CEO and hate his directors.
Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial.
I want to echo this for emphasis. Fundamentally, GoonSwarm is about carving a niche and home in Eve for our shared community. Remedial has been the driving force behind making that ideal a reality, but we respect him for his drive in pursuit of that ideal, rather than the reverse.
He does screw up sometimes, but so does everyone else. Fundamentally, though, he's working for the same goal that every other GoonSwarm member is in Eve -- carving out a home for Goons -- and that's why we respect and follow him.
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Shachar
Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:13:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Blacklight I think what amazes some of us is that as you are to a large degree quite literate, intelligent and not the fools you have blithely been made out to be you continue to allow Remedial to lead the corporation.
My guys would lynch me and rightly so if I had those kind of temper tantrums.
I think a good sterotype of goons would be: Intelligent Arrogant Twisted sense of humor Enjoy the irony of acting like idiots
Remedial is a good leader because following him blindly lets us act out stereotypes three and four. Remedial is also a good leader because his unstability is matched by his brilliance.
The Swarm expects that every man will do his D U T Y |
Dreiden Kisada
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:15:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Vice Royy
It is disgusting that man who is beloved by houndres of goons is teaking a portrait of Adolf ****** a man who ordered to kill milions ppl in Europe, who ordered to kill some ppl from my owm family, who ordered to kill few millions ppl from my country. HOW SHOULD I RESPECT SUCH PLAYER!?
Followed by:
Quote: Its sick that someone is taking so much care about a COMPUTER GAME.
Just pointing it out. The preceding statements are my opionion. Not to be confused with anything official. |
The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:17:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Dreiden Kisada
Just pointing it out.
I didn't have the heart to, it would have been too easy.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Omega Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:22:00 -
[321]
Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 17/07/2006 18:21:59
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: The Mittani Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the leak of our internal discussions shows nothing new; directors and CEOs frequently fight and those fights get intense. Especially if half the directorate are attorneys, and attorneys aren't known for backing down, ever.
I agree, it does trivialise it - and until he changes his attitude and adjusts it, at least in eve and on these forums, so that WE can put up with it, you can rest assured that we will continue to do so.
You first.
Originally by: Remedial ...not to BoB or BoB fans or People Who Have An Opinion About BoB, and certainly not the Chief BoB Forum Prostitutes...
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Vice Royy
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:34:00 -
[322]
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Dreiden Kisada
Just pointing it out.
I didn't have the heart to, it would have been too easy.
I dont care about this game but i care about ppl about memory of those who died in war, who died in concentration camps. Im really sensitive about such things no matter in which game in which place. Thanks for humor its really needed here in that case. I wanted to point something here - behavior of your great leader who done so good thins to his corp - and ive done it. I wish you luck with such man.
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:39:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:56:15
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something.
I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies?
There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by)
This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space
He ovbiusly has some kind of WW2 tick, his ingame picture is Adolf ****** and tbh, he acts on his forums like him. Same for some other goon alts out here, talking about euthanism and other stuff.
Its just disgusting.
Disgusting or not...this game is role play game. Plenty of space for all. And since it is a game it should be opened for all type of roles, IMO. When you consider that majority of pilots is above 18 and 21, then their mind should be strong enough for not taking some things granted (as some things that in RL are considered bad, this is a game where "evil" is and should be part of it). If you are disgust with somebody in game, go out, kill it and get down with it/him/her.
Internal behaviour (inside corp orm alliance) is different. Pilots have option to step out from corp alliance if the dont feel comfort with...or overthrow leadership.
But in the end this is a game...and "barbarian" sort of leadeship and acting is only "+" for game in global.
If you read something on local that you dont feel comfort with..close local or dont read. If you get evemail with crap writen all over...petition it.
But telling someone how they should act and play this game is not something positive for game its self. This is only my opinion however, and i dont have problems with RL issue brought in game where i have control to handle with such
And about tactics or insults...no point to argue about it. You have input and output. Everything in between is variaty of ppl and their aproach. Final results count however, rest is just for forum whoring
/Signed and couldnt agree more
The world of politices evolves and has many diff flavours , every one follows the trend that seems fit to his or her points of ideas and way to play , if eve was any diff then it would have been borign as hell and 0 wars sicne every one would be following one polciy no matter what is . Some policies can lead to victory and soem can lead to defeat so the result will be the only judge not what ppl think of it , if remdial's way gets Goon to be a power house and for exampel defeat another major power house then i think many ppl will be bittign their toungues but if he fails they will all howl around him liek starving wolves. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Serathu
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:42:00 -
[324]
Folks, please keep polite and on-topic here.
Let's not turn this into a discussion about a certain WW2 leader please as such things are not welcome on these forums due to it being a topic of politics and one that many still feel particularly strongly about.
Thank you!
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Giganticus
Lordless Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:52:00 -
[325]
The best part of all this is that during the last month - ie. when Goonswarm was kicking D2 ass left, right and centre - Remedial wasn't in charge. It was Hoegaarden.
Hoegaarden has now been kicked out of Goonswarm in order to preserve Remedial. So what we are all asking is, what's more important to Goonswarm, success or Remedial? So far everyone's chosen Remedial. Good times for D2 on the horizon. -----------------------------------
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Wanmeili
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:56:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial.
We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally.
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Giganticus
Lordless Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:59:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Wanmeili
Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial.
We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally.
That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial. -----------------------------------
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Frederick Skinner
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:02:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Giganticus The best part of all this is that during the last month - ie. when Goonswarm was kicking D2 ass left, right and centre - Remedial wasn't in charge. It was Hoegaarden.
One thing you missed is that the battle that turn all this around and we killed dreads, Rem was FC.
I'm willing to ride this out. You are not going to "spook" me. ______________
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Wanmeili
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:06:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Giganticus
Originally by: Wanmeili
Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial.
We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally.
That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial.
If you follow the exact events of the war, our "success option" is attributed firmly to the many hardworking members of GS proper.
But it is funny how you're sitting at the tail end of your thread saying "hey, guys, guys, pay attention to me... Drama. Drama drama. Drahmahhhhh! Listen to me, c'mon guys! Drama?"
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Arath Veduran
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:06:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Giganticus
Originally by: Wanmeili
Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial.
We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally.
That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial.
I will stand behind whatever leader GoonSwarm has. I will hop into any ship I can afford, join a gang of other goons, and fight our enemies wherever they go. Whatever goes on in the higher levels of command, there will always be countless goons who just want to fight and die and make GoonSwarm a great alliance. I am one of those goons, and I'm damn proud of it.
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terminal mehmet
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:10:00 -
[331]
Edited by: terminal mehmet on 17/07/2006 19:12:15
Originally by: Giganticus
Originally by: Wanmeili
Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial.
We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally.
That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial.
You are attempting to draw an answer out of one of our members that would support your argument, which seems to be aimed at hatred towards our CEO. Arguing this with you would be pointless as it would only fuel your agenda. I will simply make a statement on my view of how the alliance views this issue, as contrary as that may be. GoonSwarm does not think that ditching our leader would lead to success. GoonSwarm does not think that keeping our leader would lead to failure. Individual pilots might think differently; but, we are the sum of our collective will and ambition and not just the political opinions of our pilots. Our success or failure will be determined on the battlefields ahead, not in the backrooms of alliance or corporate discussion.
These opinions are my own, formulated by my own observations and not necessarily the view of my corporation or alliance.
edit: fixed a typo
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Giganticus
Lordless Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:12:00 -
[332]
Edited by: Giganticus on 17/07/2006 19:14:21 Drama... created by Goonswarm directors (mainly Remedial), leaked by Goonswarm directors (I don't actually know which one), and posted by yours truly. Yet I'm the drama *****?
I posted this purely for comic relief. And to be honest, it was pretty damn funny . It just had drama connotations.
EDIT: I'm at the tail end because I was temp-banned because Goons goatsed the threads (lol mods), and couldn't post sooner. -----------------------------------
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Won Ton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:15:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Giganticus That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial.
To be fair, Hoegaarden would never have been in a position to lead us into Cloud Ring without Remedial's vision and effort to build this corporation from the ground up. I don't think you'll find many bees who won't agree that Hoegaarden did a great job, but I also seriously doubt you'll find any that doesn't believe Rem is a tactical genius and more than capable of leading us to the promised land.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:19:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Izko Serca Any screenshots or videos of the 3 different days where D2 sieged our POSes, at the infamous loss of 9 dreads total.
Yeah with lag mechanisms and filthy tactics, not to dare to say exploits...
Strange, that we got them back, or?
Really strange... --------------------------------
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:23:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse ZOMG I CAN COMPARE TWO DIFFERENT KILLBOARDS REGARDING KILLS OF BOTH SIDES!
Why are you talking about killboards when the numbers people are bringing up refer to fleet sizes? The 3 to 2 ratio was referring to people in local. Nobody's claiming goons have killed more D2 than vice versa in fleet engagements.
We expect to take heavier losses than the opposition. It's what we do. But we keep on trucking. I lost an apoc with a full cargohold to D2 the other day and the thing that bothered me most was that I deleted the lossmail by accident so I had to camp your killboards until someone posted it so I could post it on ours.
Quote: How much more stupid can you be???
I wouldn't be calling people stupid when you are confusing comments about opposing fleet sizes with kill counts.
Quote: Oh and im back to hospital tomorrow for another 3 weeks, looking forward to your next lies when im back
Good luck in the hospital.
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Sotla
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:25:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Yeah with lag mechanisms and filthy tactics, not to dare to say exploits...
Originally by: Abdalion Yes, so let's please be respectful, stop the killboard discussions, exploit discussions, and maybe good discussion can continue.
How many times must the forum moderators say this before you listen?
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:25:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 17/07/2006 19:16:27
Originally by: Won Ton
You were never there. You were in the hospital with a collapsed lung, by your own account. How would you know either way what happened?
ZOMG I CAN COMPARE TWO DIFFERENT KILLBOARDS REGARDING KILLS OF BOTH SIDES!
How much more stupid can you be???
Oh and im back to hospital tomorrow for another 3 weeks, looking forward to your next lies when im back
Good luck with that. Your insightful contributions to these forums will be dearly missed in your absence. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:28:00 -
[338]
I give up against the Forumswarm.
Cya in 3 weeks --------------------------------
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:29:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse I give up against the Forumswarm.
Cya in 3 weeks
Good luck, Woodie.
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:29:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Yeah with lag mechanisms and filthy tactics, not to dare to say exploits...
If only there was some way to communicate with the people that run this game about what you feel are exploits. Maybe there could be some sort of system where you, I don't know, petition the GM support staff so that they can deal with it. That would be a pretty cool system since they would have serverside data that can actually verify whether what is being reported was accurate or not.
A shame that we are stuck with the current system of just talking about it endlessly for weeks on end on the forums. A petition system like I'm thinking about could probably have given you a recourse weeks ago and anyone with a legit gripe would have seen it sorted out a while ago.
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:37:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse I give up against the Forumswarm.
Cya in 3 weeks
I hope everything goes well in your three week stay at the hospital, but could you stop trolling the forums please?
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Won Ton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:40:00 -
[342]
Edited by: Won Ton on 17/07/2006 19:45:06 OH GOD
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Lacero Callrisian
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:55:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse I give up against the Forumswarm.
Cya in 3 weeks
5:1 post ratio kinda ruins any hope of a productive conversation, but they can't help it :/
Good luck in hospital.
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Captain Trashman
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:03:00 -
[344]
Originally by: kia anna
Originally by: Vice Royy
About a photo
Seems to me, Remedial is a despotic ruler demanding and receiving the adoration of countless followers, prone to irrational out-burst but possessing a disturbing charisma enabling him to send his minions to their certain deaths again and again to achive victoryŕ
See this is what I love about remedial and I dont understand why other people dont like him for it. I mean christ its a game cant he be allowed to be evil?
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:06:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Captain Trashman See this is what I love about remedial and I dont understand why other people dont like him for it. I mean christ its a game cant he be allowed to be evil?
You're breaking the fourth wall dude.
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Captain Trashman
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:36:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Degaal Valen
You're breaking the fourth wall dude.
oh shi-
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:39:00 -
[347]
All I hope is that when this is quieted or suppressed, or fixed or whatever, that an excellent handbook is issued which details the proper method of training lieutenants in the art of recognizing the need for delegation of labor, and tried and true methods for maintaining the party apparatus.
Bringing a beer keg to the Party is useless without the Apparatus.
Assault Missile Launcher Improvement
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Tadamitsu
Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:49:00 -
[348]
lack of action is abdication of authority.
lead, follow, or get out of the way..
co-CEO Solar Storm Want to join the storm?
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:47:00 -
[349]
Edited by: duckmonster on 17/07/2006 21:47:58
Originally by: Vice Royy
.. re: rem + "that dictator" portrait...
Meh. Im jewish and It doesnt bother me. There are real "heil ******" types out there in this world, and rem aint one of them.
Goons can be insensitive ****s, and for sure sometimes I've wanted to hit some of em in the head with frypans, but then I hear a band of 'em sing bawdy songs about Tolon's manhood on teamspeak and Im reminded why I love these guys so much.
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zdsdg
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Posted - 2006.07.17 22:09:00 -
[350]
Edited by: zdsdg on 17/07/2006 22:12:39
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Strange, that we got them back, or?
Can a GM please confirm this?
Because if so I have about 7 petitions to send in due to ships lost to lag.
As in 1+ minute wait times to warp out and activate modules, or warping into enemy fleets, nothing on the overview or anything in space loading, ship doesnt respond you commands and a few minutes later your shield and armor disappear and you are in pod.
In fact I think theres a ton of petitions that need doing it seems.
edit- out of interest could please if possible say just which GM it was exactly who authorised this? Would be quite interested.
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Cythereon
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Posted - 2006.07.17 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Izko Serca Any screenshots or videos of the 3 different days where D2 sieged our POSes, at the infamous loss of 9 dreads total.
Yeah with lag mechanisms and filthy tactics, not to dare to say exploits...
Strange, that we got them back, or?
Really strange...
And why was WildCard suspended, then?
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.17 22:18:00 -
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