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Jon Ominor
Magellanic Itg GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius I sincerely hope he's got a fully-trained and fully-briefed replacement waiting in the wings, because if he hasn't he's probably about to lose the war he's currently fighting. As I said, welcome to Alliance Warfare 2.0.
There's more than one person doing any one thing, yes. In fact I couldn't even tell you who exactly the "logistics chief" is or was, assuming there even was one. Roles seem to be filled as they're needed.
I dunno, maybe other alliances have like Local POS Fuelers 418 and only that union is allowed to put strontium into the POSes in their assigned region because if someone else does it they go on strike or something.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Ominor
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I sincerely hope he's got a fully-trained and fully-briefed replacement waiting in the wings, because if he hasn't he's probably about to lose the war he's currently fighting. As I said, welcome to Alliance Warfare 2.0.
There's more than one person doing any one thing, yes. In fact I couldn't even tell you who exactly the "logistics chief" is or was, assuming there even was one. Roles seem to be filled as they're needed.
I dunno, maybe other alliances have like Local POS Fuelers 418 and only that union is allowed to put strontium into the POSes in their assigned region because if someone else does it they go on strike or something.
Meh. Sounds to me like a good way to lose a POS war, judging by what I've seen so far.
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Temari Kurita
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:51:00 -
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I have only been playing this game for a month.
I enjoy losing my frigate in a suicide rush towards a T2 sniping battleship, and all I think about when I am killed is how quickly can I get into a spare ship and get back to the fight. I enjoy fighting for conqueorable space, because this is the first game where winning the fight actually means something. I really don't care too much about the politics of the game, becuase I am here to have fun.... That's why they call it a game.
I am a member of Goonswarm.
To Cmdr Woodlouse (and the rest of the D2 folks, incl. IRON, YW, RZR, etc): I look forward to fighting you in space. Sure you may kill me more often than I get you, but I'll always be back for another shot because somehow, someway, someday I will kill you too.
And then salute you as a gallant and worthy foe.
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:59:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Vile rat
Australian? oh god now you've done it. I lack Geographic skills.
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Ismern
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:29:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Floppy Disk Edited by: Floppy Disk on 17/07/2006 10:15:07
Originally by: Shimpu I dislike Goon. But I hate you bandwaggoners. All this power to the people illusions. Goons tactic is to throw meat at their hostiles. It's not about tactics but just about what every player who isn't clueless tries to avoid: the 'blob'. The normal Goon player is totally insignificant. Even directors get threated like dirt from Remedial. I don't know about you but I can imagine better things in a game than virtual facism.
We were outnumbered in our major engagements with you 3:2. Also, we have incredibly talented FCs, some of whom taught by the best, a certain drunk Australian. If goons were insigificant, we would lose every time we're outnumbered and we aren't.
Originally by: HippoKing Plus, you do bring us the finest in drama
We're thinking of getting our own show on TNT.
the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
Most of our losses are missing? Haha! "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care." |
Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ismern Most of our losses are missing? Haha!
There's a reason we've never posted a link to our killboards in the official killboard thread. Since so many of our players are new, we have a hard time getting everyone to always post every killmail and lossmail. So we've never claimed that our killboard is completely authoritative, although we do attempt to make it so.
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Won Ton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
You were never there. You were in the hospital with a collapsed lung, by your own account. How would you know either way what happened? Of course everybody knows that D2 is an alliance based on integrity, it's not like you guys would ever lie to further your own purposes! Maybe you should save the arguing for people who have a clue, Commander. Like, the people who were present for the battles. It's also a bit old to keep mentioning our killboard. Yes, everyone knows that GoonSwarm loses metric ****loads of ships, big deal. It's not about the process, it's about the result.
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Piter Blake
Rex Gloriae
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:40:00 -
[248]
There is more drama in this thread than in the whole Eastenders series. -- Quis est Rex Gloria ? |
Microsoft Sam
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:51:00 -
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Goons say Remedial says Everyone else says
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Izko Serca
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:51:00 -
[250]
Edited by: Izko Serca on 17/07/2006 11:54:41
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
First of all, I would suggest re-reading what my fellow alliance member wrote. He was talking about gang size--not kills.
There is no bullcrap here. Any screenshots or videos of the 3 different days where D2 sieged our POSes, at the infamous loss of 9 dreads total, display a simple fact: D2 constantly outnumbered us on each and every engagement, only to leave after twice unsuccessfuly sieging a POS and once putting a non-critical POS into reinforced. Moreover, two of the (three) main D2 engagements occured during waning European primetime, many hours before US primetime.
GoonSwarm has always shown up to defend XZH, incindentally the sole obligation of a defender during war, when D2 has done what an aggressor's job and attacked. It is not our job--nor is it even common decency--for a defender to attack on terms beneficial for the attacker. You will find no evidence of such "tactics" anywhere in modern warfare, nor will you find such occurrences in the EVE universe. Such logic would make any military tactician roll their eyes so frantically their faces would resemble slot-machines.
Furthermore, GoonSwarm in no way intentionally hides numbers. While our own killboard may lack losses, its ratio of kill:loss representation is still much greater than D2's or YouWhat's. We do not hide behind our killboard. There is something grand in the idea of a relentless pursuit of our goals--and that is what our losses represent. No matter the odds or casualties, GoonSwarm will continue to fight for the things we want.
A few weeks ago we stumbled into a region that had fallen into disarray, that region was Cloud Ring. Once this was made public the boards were filled with comments by D2 and SteelViper pilots alike to the tune of "GoonSwarm will be gone within the week". We seized an opportunity, and we have defended XZH against everything you have thrown at us thus far: double-digit dreads, relentless sniping, and POS spamming (which we did not initiate, something that the EVEmails concerning what alliance erected what POS and when fully support).
What matters isn't who has the most killboard losses, or who lost the most dreads, or who lost the most POSes, or who stays up the latest at night. What matters is who is left in the system once the space-dust has settled. It may not be GoonSwarm in the end, but I know I'll be spending my time once downtime is over flying my frigate head-on into anyone that suggests otherwise.
I've had some good fights (although you were only in the first one), and plan on many more. Let's leave the killboard/lag/exploit/drama/whatever whining out of this and have some fun PEW PEWing each other instead.
EDIT: By the way, this is my main. I'm a newbie and apparently my account is one of the many bugged accounts whose portraits don't show, etc.
The words expressed in this post are my personal views and ideas. I do not speak officially for my corp or my alliance. |
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Melchom
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Izko Serca
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
dont only take ur kb into account, cause its what it is, a pure killboard, most of the losses are missing.
First of all, I would suggest re-reading what my fellow alliance member wrote. He was talking about gang size--not kills.
There is no bullcrap here. Any screenshots or videos of the 3 different days where D2 sieged our POSes, at the infamous loss of 9 dreads total, display a simple fact: D2 constantly outnumbered us on each and every engagement, only to leave after twice unsuccessfuly sieging a POS and once putting a non-critical POS into reinforced. Moreover, two of the (three) main D2 engagements occured during waning European primetime, many hours before US primetime.
GoonSwarm has always shown up to defend XZH, incindentally the sole obligation of a defender during war, when D2 has done what an aggressor's job and attacked. It is not our job--nor is it even common decency--for a defender to attack on terms beneficial for the attacker. You will find no evidence of such "tactics" anywhere in modern warfare, nor will you find such occurrences in the EVE universe. Such logic would make any military tactician roll their eyes so frantically their faces would resemble slot-machines.
Furthermore, GoonSwarm in no way intentionally hides numbers. While our own killboard may lack losses, its ratio of kill:loss representation is still much greater than D2's or YouWhat's. We do not hide behind our killboard. There is something grand in the idea of a relentless pursuit of our goals--and that is what our losses represent. No matter the odds or casualties, GoonSwarm will continue to fight for the things we want.
A few weeks ago we stumbled into a region that had fallen into disarray, that region was Cloud Ring. Once this was made public the boards were filled with comments by D2 and SteelViper pilots alike to the tune of "GoonSwarm will be gone within the week". We seized an opportunity, and we have defended XZH against everything you have thrown at us thus far: double-digit dreads, relentless sniping, and POS spamming (which we did not initiate, something that the EVEmails concerning what alliance erected what POS and when fully support).
What matters isn't who has the most killboard losses, or who lost the most dreads, or who lost the most POSes, or who stays up the latest at night. What matters is who is left in the system once the space-dust has settled. null It may not be GoonSwarm in the end, but I know I'll be spending my time once downtime is over flying my frigate head-on into anyone that suggests otherwise.
ahhh now comes the knowledge ^^
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Izko Serca
What matters isn't who has the most killboard losses, or who lost the most dreads, or who lost the most POSes, or who stays up the latest at night. What matters is who is left in the system once the space-dust has settled.
exactly ... but it isn't over yet ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 17/07/2006 12:05:25 Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 17/07/2006 12:00:43 OMG this thread is so pathetic..
Lol goons actually syaing they have beat D2 when D2 outnumbered them??? HAHAHAHA
So many times i have lead fleets up against 5-1 odds vs the goons and I quite franskly spanked the **** out of you guys.. You FC are imcompetent and I cant stop laughing that you actually think you FC got some tactical sence.. Well maybe you just havent seen any other FC so thats ok..
And trust me our KB and fraps are proff enough..
Link to fraps
These fraps preatty much sums up every fleet battle the goons decide to fight in the first week of XZH.. After the first week goons refuse to fight anymore.
Link to E-R killboard I decide to link the E-R killboard becuase thats 100% acurate why? becuase E-R members get isk from there losses and you can get kicked out from E-R if you dont post..
If you check out the E-R KB you can see just 1 D2 corp have done 14billion od dmg towards the goons while the goons have done 2billion worth of dmg.. This is just 1 D2 corp my dear goons.. So yea the amount of dmg clearly demonstrate how the goons are kicking our ass and I think we have to dispand D2 and E-R soon we simply cant take these losses
Anyway thss hole "war" is not an war anymore there is no fighting and I feel comepletly useless atm... First week was fun goons actually fought us but now simply becuase of every time they assample a fleet and try to fight us they getting spanked so hard.. You cant win a war goons if you wont fight for it and are losing every single fleet battle...
Nahh again I really liked the goons and respected i found there concept interesting but that was when they actually fought us..
Trying to bribe E-R to leave D2, lying about facts, there alts who are spouting Goatse picture on the forum simply make me wanna puke..And the comeplet lack of fighting, all they do is putting up POS everywhere.. 4 days ago E-R just got a 30man fleet with 8 bs in s-u becuase the goons and 3FA had a 120man fleet camping a gate so I actually thougth we would get a fight but no no first time i have ever seen 120man runnign away from 30 guys
Anyway when this is over Im gonna order E-R to GW to actually fight some guys who know how to fight and dont run away... V im comming soon lats hope its gonna be as much fun as in the old days Btw I hope LD got a new moros
Edit: BTW goons i got alot more fraps so keep up all the lying hehe just gonna make my next movie alot more fun
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Izko Serca
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
exactly ... but it isn't over yet
I thought that people on this forum had a knack for repeating things previously stated... now I'm sure of it. Of course it isn't over yet, would you have preferred if my post smacked of elitism and arrogance? There is little point to speak in such a manner when it is the actions of one and of the people who fly next them that make the difference.
We were told that GoonSwarm in XZH had an expiration date of a few days--well over 2 weeks ago. We are here to party and have had the greatest fun in the history of our alliance (new as it may be).
Downtime is over, and seeing as I am a Euro too, I am going to hop into my frigates and cruisers and do some shooting, I expect to see you there.
The words expressed in this post are my personal views and ideas. I do not speak officially for my corp or my alliance. |
Jacinto Naysmith
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse the problem is that you talk bullcrap, i dunno where you take ur numbers but its either an outright lie or utter stupidity.
I've avoided posting in here, but I assume you're referring to the statement of us being outnumbered 3:2 in most of the major engagements? I've been at every battle in which we've killed dreadnoughts defending our POS's, and from what I recall the number in our gang has been significantly lower then half of the number in local. I also don't remember seeing you in local in any of those battles, so I'd question whoever told you that we outnumbered you.
Fighting on these forums is rather dumb and accomplishes nothing, I'll keep the fighting to in game whenever possible. Thankfully the actions of the pilots in game speak louder then the words of the forum warriors. Unlike a lot of posters on this forum, I've seen very little smack and complaining from the pilots (on all sides) battling these pasts weeks.
The ruthless never ending fighting in XZH has been some of the best fleet combat I've seen in EVE despite the nearly unplayable lag at some points. Its a shame we haven't seen combat like that recently, hopefully we'll see more in the future.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:06:00 -
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well there is a hell of a lot of goon pilots writing into this thread.... I think its great...what I really like is that the majority of them are actually coherent posts, often fairly amusing.. by the most part they seem an educated bunch, contrary to my original pre-conception of them being a swarm of mindless noobs.
Remedial may be an autocrat and have no manners.. but at he seems to have the loyalty of his enormous corp .. kudos to him. I love to see a new entity in EVE that believes so steadfastly in pvp and willingness to take orders, my kind of thinking tbh...
Looks like goonfleet are here to stay, we might as well get used to them
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:07:00 -
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All I can say Lunas is see you on the battlefield. I'm not going to be baited. You consider your KB 100%, we consider no KB 100% accurate. See you when the dust settles in Cloud Ring.
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces well there is a hell of a lot of goon pilots writing into this thread.... I think its great...what I really like is that the majority of them are actually coherent posts, often fairly amusing.. by the most part they seem an educated bunch, contrary to my original pre-conception of them being a swarm of mindless noobs.
Terrible posters don't last long on somethingawful. Unless it's FYAD or you are Bigpeeler.
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Wattish
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Floppy Disk Terrible posters don't last long on somethingawful. Unless it's FYAD or you are Bigpeeler.
He got banned its just FYAD now.
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Floppy Disk All I can say Lunas is see you on the battlefield. I'm not going to be baited. You consider your KB 100%, we consider no KB 100% accurate. See you when the dust settles in Cloud Ring.
Which battlefield m8??? I see no battlefield..all I see is POS..
Btw if you are quistion the E-R killboard acuracy you the first corp who has ever done that..Every1 knows that the E-R killboards is one of the most acurate ingame.. If you find a mail with an E-R member who hasnt been posted on our board ill send you 15mil isk for every mail, Thats how confident I am in the acuracy of the E-R killboard
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Zosh
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zosh on 17/07/2006 12:16:39
Originally by: Nez Perces well there is a hell of a lot of goon pilots writing into this thread.... I think its great...what I really like is that the majority of them are actually coherent posts, often fairly amusing.. by the most part they seem an educated bunch, contrary to my original pre-conception of them being a swarm of mindless noobs.
Remedial may be an autocrat and have no manners.. but at he seems to have the loyalty of his enormous corp .. kudos to him. I love to see a new entity in EVE that believes so steadfastly in pvp and willingness to take orders, my kind of thinking tbh...
Looks like goonfleet are here to stay, we might as well get used to them
Note that unlike every other alliance in the game, we didn't join goonfleet to play EVE, we joined EVE to play in goonfleet. So yeah, there are a lot of newbies all the time, I myself joined goonfleet 2 hours after I created my character 6 months ago. The game's just fun with goons, regardless of who's leading or what our objectives are. It's not really loyalty to Remedial, for myself anyways. He's a good leader and all but we're fighting for ourselves, for the alliance - for the existence and growth of goonfleet.
Also, you can read the propaganda from d2, or you can look at the results. We're still in XZH after they said they'd remove us weeks ago.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Floppy Disk All I can say Lunas is see you on the battlefield. I'm not going to be baited. You consider your KB 100%, we consider no KB 100% accurate. See you when the dust settles in Cloud Ring.
Exactly. Just by looking at our (very inaccurate due to newbies not reporting losses) killboard, I've already found E-R losses that have not been reported on the E-R board. Not to mention the fact there is no such thing as an accurate ISK calculator for killboards (pods @ 5m may work for other alliances but not for GS losses).
This just reinterates what others have said. Numbers don't matter. Killboards don't matter. ISK losses don't matter. Ultimately the winner is determined by who is standing at the end, not by who has killed the most or lost the least or inflicted the most monetary damage. So you can post the links to your killboards and your fraps videos and voice your opinion on how lame you think we are, but it won't matter. Only when the dust settles will we see who wins, and that dust has not settled yet.
So like my fellow goons in this thread, I too will say: see you on the battlefield, whether you think one exists or not.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: KIATolon on 17/07/2006 12:25:46 Edited by: KIATolon on 17/07/2006 12:20:55
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ...stuff
And one goonswarm corp did about 30 bils worth of damage to d2 for about 200mils worth of losses (one of the small corps on every dread killmail)
Does that make then 12548.42% better than E-R at everything, including especially (but not exclusively) fooling about with stats to make themselves look good?
If you call losing the system AND 11 dreads a win, then I wish you many more wins in the future.
Edit: Lunas will you give ME 15 mil for every E-R losses not posted on the e-r boards? Also, how much do I get for D2 losses not posted?
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Vile rat
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon Edited by: KIATolon on 17/07/2006 12:20:55
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ...stuff
And one goonswarm corp did about 30 bils worth of damage to d2 for about 200mils worth of losses (one of the small corps on every dread killmail)
Does that make then 12548.42% better than E-R at everything, including especially (but not exclusively) fooling about with stats to make themselves look good?
If you call losing the system AND 11 dreads a win, then I wish you many more wins in the future.
Spoken like a true Australian.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:26:00 -
[265]
Bonza
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:27:00 -
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Regarding the recent D2 smack posts, the perception seems to be like this:
Established alliances pvp in fleet battles, GoonSwarm blobs.
Established alliances contest soverignty of a system, GoonSwarm POS spams.
Established alliances soberly consider political realities, GoonSwarm is Machiavellian.
Established alliances use pvp skill and tactics, Goonswarm uses lag and exploits.
How long until this ridiculous doubletalk reaches the level of,
'Established Alliances find things, GoonSwarm loots things.'
Anyway, thank god that D2 is the only one of these 'established alliances' that seems to really believe this. It is heartening to see that some BoB posters are willing to give us the benefit of the doubt.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:31:00 -
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Because there isn't really any doubt Mittani.
Everyone knows what's going on here, and people like Lunas insisting they've not lost a fleet battle EVER just reinforces that fact.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 17/07/2006 12:32:35
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood If you find a mail with an E-R member who hasnt been posted on our board ill send you 15mil isk for every mail, Thats how confident I am in the acuracy of the E-R killboard
Date:Time:Pilot Name:Pilot Corp:Shiptype:Shipclass:# Involved People:System:Region:Killpoints
2006.06.22 23:40:00 Sacred Spirit Euphoria Released Megathron Battleship 5 0.0 8S28-3 Deklein 111939
2006.07.06 17:22:00 Acid Man2 Euphoria Released Maller Cruiser 3 0.0 8S28-3 Deklein 9639
2006.06.17 18:19:00 death chant Euphoria Released Rifter Frigate 1 0.0 X4UV-Z Branch 280
I could go on a bit, making ISK without even being able to login to EVE is amusing me.
EDIT: Also, this is what you get if your members smacktalk me for killing em, then trying to cheat on a 1v1 and fail.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon Because there isn't really any doubt Mittani.
Everyone knows what's going on here, and people like Lunas insisting they've not lost a fleet battle EVER just reinforces that fact.
Oh, come now Tolon. They're just having fun and being chill, it's all about good fights, and losing 11 cap ships is nothing to guys as rich as this! Their beds are made out out of faction battleships... and they didn't want Cloud Ring in the first place!
Also, everyone knows that they only lost those cap ships due to lag and exploits, because low-sp players could NEVER EVER EVER LA LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU hold a candle to anything D2 puts forth. So these goons are all cheaters anyway and CCP should give D2 their dreads back.
Am I doing this right?
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Richard Face
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:36:00 -
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lunas maybe you could make your next video about how the second-most powerful alliance in EVE manages to lose a whole region despite winning every fleet battle? tia
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