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Brazzahrn Stroh 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.17 11:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Brazzahrn Stroh on 17/07/2006 11:54:28 I'm very dissapointed in Pure and I definetly thought Ushra'khan could do better.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Alita Tiphares Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Seleene Also, the lack of preperation from some teams is stunning Sounds a lot like a number of comments made about a high-profile team in the last tournament whose name temporarily escapes me... LOL! Cute. My point was that teams have had several weeks to prepare for this event whereas the first tournament was concieved, excecuted and over in days. Trying to compare the first tourny with this one is absurd. They are entirely different animals in every way. rofl. right.. Its true, alliance leaders were contacted shortly before christmas (like dec 23 or 24) with information for the torunament starting on the 27th. Planning for this tournament has been going on since at least the beginning of April with notices posted in the news at the end of May.
FooB2 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:06:00 - [33] id prefer to not release all the info i know on it right now, however i have just been told theres a news post about it somewhere, however i cant seem to find it. but im just lazy. all im really saying is what i said before, 7 to 8 bil worth of stuff and a fully-fitted thanatos. classic. www.EVE-Gamers.co.uk - YOUR community for EVE Gaming
Larsson7 Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:13:00 - [34] Edited by: Larsson7 on 17/07/2006 12:12:57 All the fights I have watched, and participated in, have been a lot of fun. Our opponents have been great sports everytime and long may that continue. SA and Chorus of Dawn are sure to give us really exciting matches. Looking forward to Friday \o/
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:31:00 - [35] Disappointment? RA, for sure. SMASH's damage output, that's another. On the positive side, I'm really digging ASCN's all-Gallente, all-blaster tactic. Rubs me the right way.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Seleene Also, the lack of preperation from some teams is stunning Sounds a lot like a number of comments made about a high-profile team in the last tournament whose name temporarily escapes me... LOL! Cute. My point was that teams have had several weeks to prepare for this event whereas the first tournament was concieved, excecuted and over in days. Trying to compare the first tourny with this one is absurd. They are entirely different animals in every way. Just sayin' ;)
Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:56:00 - [37] Ushra'khan have had other priorities over the last few weeks leading up to this tourney. Thats my excuse anyway and we will stick to it. Hell at least we still came along to a very expensive event, and are one of the smallest alliances. Anyone who fielded a team in this event deserves a bit of respect. The World cup format is financially draining. But yes, from what I hear we could have done better. Sadly not even seen any of our matches yet as the times are no good for me.
News Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 13:20:00 - [38] My biggest surprise was when my trusty thrasher lived for more than 10 seconds in one match . I loved the tank on truk's raven, and was pleasantly surprised by the Typhoon. I'd also like to give my respect to D-L, who have shown up for all of their matches, despite having been hit hard by a corp theft (if the rumours are true). They are showing great spirit, unlike a couple of other teams that have withdrawn or not even shown up at all.
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Maggot Ushra'khan have had other priorities over the last few weeks leading up to this tourney. Thats my excuse anyway and we will stick to it. Hell at least we still came along to a very expensive event, and are one of the smallest alliances. Anyone who fielded a team in this event deserves a bit of respect. The World cup format is financially draining. But yes, from what I hear we could have done better. Sadly not even seen any of our matches yet as the times are no good for me. Maggot ffs - you really should get your priorities right... You should have shelved the Outpost until the tournie was over ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:12:00 - [40] U¦K made me sad need to update my signature,imagine a pink dread in here with flowers It¦s either a CCP employee, a foreigner or a combination of both.

FooB2 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:13:00 - [41] you make me sad. www.EVE-Gamers.co.uk - YOUR community for EVE Gaming
Darius Shakor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Maggot Ushra'khan have had other priorities over the last few weeks leading up to this tourney. Thats my excuse anyway and we will stick to it. Hell at least we still came along to a very expensive event, and are one of the smallest alliances. Anyone who fielded a team in this event deserves a bit of respect. The World cup format is financially draining. But yes, from what I hear we could have done better. Sadly not even seen any of our matches yet as the times are no good for me. Maggot ffs - you really should get your priorities right... You should have shelved the Outpost until the tournie was over I know but try telling that to Derran and Tar. They were getting OP feaver near the end and twice we had to stop Tar from trying to eat the BP and components/minerals because he was convinced he could build it himself. You don't want to know how he through it would be... brought into the world. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal Every man has a devil. You can never rest until you find it.
Havelcek Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:36:00 - [43] Edited by: Havelcek on 17/07/2006 14:36:56 My random thoughts: - Gutsy performances by 3FA...props to you - Shame on you PURE - Anyone else get a little sick when these faction BSes get blown up? - Props to SMASH for figuring out the best way to work with the tourney rules so far - Big Shame-On-You to LeMonde for allowing the rules violations, hope those ships get refunded - Biggest disappointment so far has been not getting to see matches involving alliances like BoB due to no-shows - Also very disappointed in the poor video resolution for the battle scenes - Selfish comment here, but props to ASCN for coming with a unique approach - Its been said before but I was shocked by RA...I just assumed they would wtfpwn One final thought, I think the winning alliances should celebrate by warping in shuttles full of bookmarks so the devs can experience that first-hand, since their GMs claim there's no evidence of server lag. Just my opinion of course.
Karach Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Seleene Yeah, tbh I am tired of this "perfect round" stuff. We're not in this thing to be perfect, just to win. I'm perfectly happy to lose both my team's frigs every single match if it means a win in the end. The only reason that a team gets through a round with all of its ships intact is becuse the other team a.) never shot at them, b.) was too busy getting blown the hell up c.) sucked badly. mah i don't totally agree here... to win losing a frig and a destroyer is not bad, to win is the important thing... but also i will not underestimate the loss of these ship, as SMASH demonstrated you can win just taking down a couple of enemies and defend the result till the time ends. also in these battles there is not much firepower involved and the loss of such ships can mean to not be able anymore to break the opponent tanks (or eventually to take out drones effectively as Kaos have done) so yes a loss or 2 is not important if you win, but also to consider these ship as expendable(?) can be quite dangerous against a strong defensive team. just my personal opinion and... i will await the MC video about the tournament
Karach Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:45:00 - [45] Edited by: Karach on 17/07/2006 14:45:47 Originally by: Havelcek - Anyone else get a little sick when these faction BSes get blown up? i must admit that i'm a bit sad too when i see some nice faction ship blow up... ehm exept maybe that rattlesnate gone boom with the phoon... i really like the phoon and after all the "bashing"() from commentators was funny to see it poof the snake... a bit sad for the snake pilot but... phoon ftw!!!!!!111 aaaah i mostly agree even in other points :)
Havelcek Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:50:00 - [46] Edited by: Havelcek on 17/07/2006 14:49:50 Originally by: Karach Edited by: Karach on 17/07/2006 14:45:47 i must admit that i'm a bit sad too when i see some nice faction ship blow up... ehm exept maybe that rattlesnate gone boom with the phoon... i really like the phoon and after all the "bashing"() from commentators was funny to see it poof the snake... a bit sad for the snake pilot but... phoon ftw!!!!!!111 aaaah i mostly agree even in other points :) That Rattlesnake is teh sexxors...they should copy and paste that image right on top of Stavr0s's head
Stybbe RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:11:00 - [47] Internet issues ftl =( we were forced to switch 3 of 5 teammembers to a random guys from alliance teamspeak =(
Emylia	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:25:00 - [48] C`mon guys u share the same TS with RAT ... sure u could found somone better. Well GL against OPUS alliance.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Chowdown That made me chuckle as well, cause we don't have an alternative stratergy, lucky Tyrrax is there to tell us where we are going wrong. You're welcome ! Cmon you know LV wouldn't stand a chance against SA without my help in fact i'm sure you'll lose anyway http://eve.klaki.net/
Elve Sorrow Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:53:00 - [50] This somewhat puzzled me yesterday aswell, but where is the whole "SA wouldve/is going to kick LVs ass" coming from? Ifni mentioned it in the commentary but it sortof came out of the blue for me...
Khaldorn Murino Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest that raven wot tanked U'K (you need to get the al back to swear at ppl in a dodgy accent! ...Actually, get Al on EVETV immediately!! ) We got Al's commentary for the last toruny saved somewhere, it was the best commentary i've heard, ****ed my pants. Bring on the Haquis! - Rise.
QwaarJet Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:10:00 - [52] Thanks for the positive comments about our match with Ushra'Khan lads, well recieved :) I'd also like to say good luck to the ISS guys for our match on Friday and to the merc guys, let's tear the house down on Saturday, and go easy on us :p "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:28:00 - [53] Edited by: Semkhet on 17/07/2006 16:31:43 Originally by: Seleene Also, the lack of preperation from some teams is stunning, not to mention the absolute crap teamwork and ship compositions I've seen. People had months to get ready for this and there are matches being delayed because a team is waiting on a member to fit a ship ffs! Well, iirc, Red Skull never organised any prior training specifically for this. In all due respect, we are training during the matches since nothing replaces the real thing. KR0M is just a bunch of calm friends who have blown enough stuff around to know both what ships can and cannot do
Dr Who Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Darkon Gatland I enjoyed all the matches but especially the Typhoon pawning the Rattlesnake, who was that? Everyone keeps talking about the T'phoon vs the Rattlesnake like it was a 1 v 1? It was 4 v 1 and finally 3 v 1 when the Snake poped. I'd say the Phoon had quite a bit of help.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:44:00 - [55] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 17/07/2006 16:44:22 I can tell you exactly why we lost all three rounds. It was a combination of poor organisation and bad luck. VS MC I screwed up completly. Like maggot said, we have been busy with other things (outpost) and had not had much time to devote to sorting out an alliance team. I gotvolenteered to be the backup pilot. A couple of days before the first round our primary battleship pilot announced he would not be able to make it for the entire weekend. I didnt have a ship ready, but I did know what I was going to be fitting and what the plan was, I also had all the bits in the station I normally operate from. On the day of the match I was on a school trip that overran. (I work for a school) I also thought our match was later than it was. While driving back I got a phonecall (hands free!!) saying we had been called up... FOOT TO THE FLAW Whats this, oh ** i'm 10 jumps from home....insta back...try and refit ship. Teamspeak at this stage went somethig like "Are you ready" "No i'm not Fing ready" "Are you ready" "No i'm not Fing ready" "Are you ready" "This isnt Fing helping" So anyway it came down to me being a bit disorganised. In the end my ship was not ready so I had to take a ship that was fitted for npc tanking (with some switched hardeners) We got pwnd plain and simple. Vs Chorus of dawn We were over elaborate, and unlucky This is the round where we got slagged off for using artillery. looking back quite rightly so, but what the pundits didnt know was how the plan was supposed to pan out. The huggin in this round was essential to the plan. Its job was to sit next to my tempest and hold the entire enemy team at range with its 4 webifiers. It had armour plates and hardeners on, and the command ship had mods to help out the resistances. We had armour repair drones and I had duel remote armour reps. Things started well, both the frigate and the destroyer were dispatched pretty quickly as intended. Then disaster struck, the huggin somehow was out of range of my two medium repair mods. We tried to get back in range of one another and it did hold out fairly well just with drones, but by the time the first cycle was due to finish it popped. After that everything went up, as the ships closed to unacceptable ranges. Looking back the plan was way too complicated and relied far to heavily on one ship (much like our last round vs ISS) VS ISS We relied too heavily on the logistics ship**. This was probably our best round of the three. Contrary to the comentators who stated that the destroyer only lasted two volloys, it actually took quite a beating before going into armour. Since everyone in almost every match has gone for this ship first, I fitted three medium shield extenders and a damage control giving me well over 3k shields. We had logistics drones and a logistics ship repping me, and I think I lasted a good 4 or more volloys from the entire group before popping. Caldicotts af with the logistics repping it actually proved impossible to break, so ISS of course went for the logstics ship....who crumbled with extreeme ease. Even at this point all was not lost, as the remaining battlecruiser and battleship had the ISS zealot virtually on hull. Unfortunatly our ship caved first and it was all over. This fight was a lot closer than the comentators gave credit for, but ultimatly ISS had the better team and they won the day. -------- I have enjoyed the tournemant this year, and we [b]WILL be turning up to get blown up by stain, despite having zero chance of going through now. One thing I would suggest for next year, is that one reserve pilot simply is not enough. People have real lives and this needs to be accounted for. I would say 2-3 spare pilots is essential if you dont want alliances dropping out. [b] Now Recruiting
mallina Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:54:00 - [56] Edited by: mallina on 17/07/2006 16:54:26 Never got to see the BoB match and the 5v1 was the only Five match I saw,nor did I see MC play- so i missed some good matches - but from the ones I did see, SA vs COD saw some brutal firepower, LV just win with the bhallghorn and ASCN were pretty classy with their full gallente lineup. it'l be interesting to see when the winners go up against eachother..
Iznogud Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Xendie i was impressed by LV's quick change of tactics and recovery, very good commanding and adaptation by the leader there. Chowdown is one of the best leaders i have served under. and is good at adapt to the enviroment! Go go LV http://www.shinra.com/ Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver Izno~
Tao Han Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:57:00 - [58] I'm surprised LV's Retribution actually has survived 2 fights Works better than the Claw thay had in the first match...
Eddie Gordo Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:01:00 - [59] continued from my post above, last sentence got cropped ^^ 1 spare pilot isnt enough if you dont want alliances dropping out. People have real lives Now Recruiting**
Shai 'Hulud	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:36:00 - [60] First of all, I agree that it is an overstatement to say that the ôtyphoon killed the rattlesnake.ö Obviously the typhoon had a decent amount of help in this feat. The surprise of this battle is perhaps more correctly stated in that the team with the typhoon beat the team with the rattlesnake. Upon closer inspection, however, this should not seem so far fetched. It has been seen in a number of situations in this tournament that teams with a nos-heavy BS have done quite well. For the circumstances of this tournament, I would argue that the phoon is a better nos platform than the domi. Most teams have found it more useful to use large drone bays for logistics drones as opposed to dmg drones, rendering the drone bonuses of the domi insignificant. The phoon is able to field the same # of heavy drones, while at the same time holding a full 8 high-slots. So it can run the typical 4 heavy nos seen on a nos-domi setup, while also running 4 launchers/proj with dmg bonuses (torp launchers for the phoon in the tourney I believe), and a full squadron of heavy logistics drones. If I remember correctly this match was a stalemate while logistics drones where being destroyed, but once those drones are out of the picture any further tanks are going to be rendered useless by a nos heavy BS. There are a number of ways that you can counter a nos heavy team, and I am sure we will see these as the tournament progresses.

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