I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

Micro Jump Drive? As far as I know infinipoints are inifini-disruptors, not infini-scrams.

The same goes for web. If I netted an elephant will I slow it down 60 percent or will the elephant speed me up 60 percent?

Also think of the ISK sink that battleships could become if people would use them.

. The same goes for web. If I netted an elephant will I slow it down 60 percent or will the elephant speed me up 60 percent?

If I netted an elephant will I slow it down 60 percent or will the elephant speed me up 60 percent? (Hint: 2 plus 2 is not equal to 5).

Q: How fast can elephants run?
A: Elephants can only run short distances at a time because of their considerable size and weight. They reach a top running speed of approximately 40km (25 miles) an hour. This is a speed that rivals even the fastest humans.

For targeted infinipoints? No. There is no counter. That would kind of defeat the purpose.
For bubbles and the like, there are only specific ship abilities.

I used to trespass all over nullsec in a Cyclone and did that with one ship for three years.

How?

Infinite WCS? No!

MWD? No!

Double my sub costs and get a scout? Hell No!

Join an alliance and use a JB network? No!


One simple rule: no gates, just wormholes.

Three years. The only time I saw a bubble or HIC was on D-scan.


This just goes to show that gates are the problem, not infinite point HICS or sebo'ed tacklers or OGB (a problem in it's own). However, since CCP addressed the imbalance of "tiny guns killing big ships in two seconds" and tanked up the indies, I hope to see a day when warp core strength becomes just as attached to the size of the hull as is warp speed. After all, if a large ship is sooooo heavy that it warps slower, then it's going to have one motherhumper of a warp core with lots of power, right? Meaning that a little frigate cannot muster the power to shut it down. The same goes for web. If I netted an elephant will I slow it down 60 percent or will the elephant speed me up 60 percent? (Hint: 2 plus 2 is not equal to 5).


These are simple things that would enrich the game. Also think of the ISK sink that battleships could become if people would use them.

mjd and mmjd sort of counter it in those ships that can fit it.

This is a brilliant idea.. too bad having an infinite WCS will do nothing.

Why? Because all ships have a warp strength of 1, it just takes a single warp scram/dist to make your warp strength 0, thus no warp.

So and infinite WCS vs and Infinite point... infinity - infinity = 0. You are still scrambled. You would need 2, and then the counter... two infinite points. So nothing really changes.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

The counter is explosions.

and they need to be TORGE-LIKE EXPLOSIONS. With lots of FIRE, heat and CAPSLOCK, for extra EXPLOSION RAGE AND AIR GUITAR SOLO.

And midgets with MOAR EXPLOSIONS CANNONS.

This is a brilliant idea.. too bad having an infinite WCS will do nothing.

Why? Because all ships have a warp strength of 1, it just takes a single warp scram/dist to make your warp strength 0, thus no warp.

So and infinite WCS vs and Infinite point... infinity - infinity = 0. You are still scrambled. You would need 2, and then the counter... two infinite points. So nothing really changes.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

I guess we can pretend that this kind of math works outside of calculating limits in calculus.

I was just noticing that in game there are a few options for what someone calls an "infinite point" where as it has strength of up to 99 and basically makes it impossible to warp off. I think this is pretty dang awesome bonus, ship, and module.

My question is, is there a counter tactic? A ship or module that allows to be impossibly warp jammed? Maybe it has penalties too like zero targeting range or something to make it just an exploration ship.

If you have one tactic should there always be a counter? IS there one already you would like to share?

thank you for your time.

Heh, you want an infinite warp stab? Nevermind that you're ignoring that infinipoint is in fact a counter to capital ships, I have a counter proposal for you.

No ship anywhere should be allowed to have more than one warp stab, since as a concept they are hilariously overpowered in any area of space where you can't put up drag bubbles.

For targeted infinipoints? No. There is no counter. That would kind of defeat the purpose.
For bubbles and the like, there are only specific ship abilities.

The more annoying tackle are the 5000 mm scan res ships that will grab you before you can cloak.

Micro Jump Drive? As far as I know infinipoints are inifini-disruptors, not infini-scrams.

I'm still waiting to find out what happens when you put a net on a full speed elephant...

Assuming I'm stationary and the elephant does not have a cloak.

This is the true counter.

If you are both infini-pointed and warp scrambled and stasis webified to the point you can't outdistance any of your attackers, you are indeed toast.

You put one ec300 on each attacker and laugh as they cheesily all roll "I win" at the same time.

Lesson here: NEVER throw a net on an elephant!

The OP was just imagining what runs through a gazelle's mind as it's being hauled away between a lion's teeth.

Heh, you want an infinite warp stab? Nevermind that you're ignoring that infinipoint is in fact a counter to capital ships, I have a counter proposal for you.

No ship anywhere should be allowed to have more than one warp stab, since as a concept they are hilariously overpowered in any area of space where you can't put up drag bubbles.

Infinitestab would only be allowed to be fitted to a certain ship.. not combat ship.

Much like the infinitepoint is now, put to a very short list of ships. Then your not trying to reinvent a new counter?

I just think there should be an instance where there is a counter to this.

Even if it's a noobies fierst exploration ship with a 24 hour timer on it.. or something to limit use.

Thanks for all the ideas and even the trolls that are so diluted in their forum trolling they think everyone makes threads to avoid pvp or its outcomes.

I am interested in a counter measure. Much like the rest of EVE it sounds like CCP made an idea stopped it and leave the player base to use in game means(mjd,ecm,etc) to avoid this mechanic. I just thought there might be a real counter measure it terms of ship bonus/module.

I'm still waiting to find out what happens when you put a net on a full speed elephant...

Assuming I'm stationary and the elephant does not have a cloak.

Not every mechanic deserve a full counter. Getting shot has no direct counter for example. You can fit to reduce the effect but not outright counter it.

I get this, but the reason for fitting any tank at all is due to the damage one might receive. In some way this feels like a counter to the guns. I also understand its not a "actual counter" as it does not mitigate all incoming damage (or rarely does).

Then maybe a module that gives the ability to lessen the chance. Then that seems even tougher as numbers come back into play when balancing it.

If titan wasted a slot for a module that allows him to break or possibly break the point. I wonder if that would equal out wasting a slot.. or two or three.

However i think a noobie ships with a limited timer.. would be cool. Still destructible, but has the ability to break any warp disruption devices.