I feel sorry for CCP, they try to have a bit of fun and still get all this rage from highsec dwellers.

Next it'll be "CCP DIDN'T ROAM IN MY TIMEZONE, JUST FEEDING EUROS"

Aye, no more of this, please. People will be happy enough to get on a CCP killmail.

Aye, no more of this, please. People will be happy enough to get on a CCP killmail.

The amazing thing is most of the people who came to this fight probably weren't the least bit concerned with the loot. I know when I first saw what was going down, my only thought was "CCP Killmail?!? ". I didn't care at all about the loot, not one bit, I don't PVP to get rich. A plex dropping? I can earn that in a few hours. Heck, I can probably earn it faster staying in my home system ratting than flying all the way out to the fight and trying to scoup one then flying back, certainly safer. It's not like CCP ships were dropping officer mods left and right. I might be wrong here, but I'd be willing to bet all the isk in my wallet (not a lot FYI) that PL supers are rich enough they don't care one bit about the loot drop either.

The people that were out there, for the most part, are the ones that want fights and killmails. I'm sure there were some that were out there to try to make it rich, but these weren't the big alliances, those guys are already rich, they own supers ffs. It really shows the difference between those complaining about how much isk was injected and those that want more goodfights with CCP.

Just so I'm understanding this correctly, can you confirm that your statement is that because we dropped some items for people to loot in the arena during this single event in a single system in a rather large videogame we were insulting everyone who couldn't be there?

Do you have any suggestions for how this could be improved upon?

It's a difficult question and I'm very curious to hear opinions about improvement.

what u guys need to do is to change it so youre items dont drop when u die and give a boutny to all active accounts because thats the only way we can trust u. have u heard of t20? this looks like exactly the same thing except goons got the loot and here we have an ex-goonie dev defending it

Actually I was asking you for feedback on how the system should be improved... It's an honest question as we want to be able to improve upon what we do. Who is this "we" you're referring to just so I'm clear?

Quoting for truth. The Jita fleet actually discussed loot for a moment, and the first question was how we'd divide it up. After a few joke suggestions ("Everyone gets 5 minutes of free playtime.") the general consensus was that no one gave a crap. The motivation was for kills and fun. The FC was calling targets based on easy kills or infamy ("He the guy responsible for fixing lag? Not on my machine. Primary him first.")

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not at all concerned with what was in the holds of those ships, and I didn't get the impression that many of the other members in fleet did either. Just getting on Dr. EyjoG's killmaill and a few others is fine for me. =D

we = ppl who pay REAL MONEY to play this game who dont like it when other ppl who just run incursions and pay isk to play get ccp devs flying to there doorstep to drop billions of loot. u have a history with goons and hearing this from u just confirms suspicions. there needs to be a ia investigation to make sure everything was done randomly or we cant trust u

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They can sort you out.

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They can sort you out.

Wow, dude, seriously.
It was just a fun event and they put a few fun things in their ships as an incentive for people to come fight them!

Have you ever thought that CCP didn't work to buy/make the ships they were flying like we did for ours?
It would be UNFAIR of them to not have extra loot to offset the risk we are taking vs. the NO RISK they were taking.

Also, Tama isn't anyone's territory. It's literally 3 jumps from Jita.

There isn't a single more fair place for them to have fought. ANYONE could have come because it was 3 jumps from Jita.

You are seriously an idiot.
Why are you so upset about this fun event where they went out of their way to make it fair for everyone?!

Would you have found it ethical if you had looted a plex yourself.

Your anger is just about you feeling left out in a very generous display from CCP, try not to be so bitter in R/L as you are in a game.

I missed out on this as well, but instead of being all angry like you, I'd like to congratulate CCP for providing some excitement and content for us pod pilots and trying to share in the driving force behind EVE, which is pvp. The devs that died had fun, the people that got on their mails had fun, and lots of people got to see titans in action for the first time :)

Um, everything in EVE has real money value.

I can buy a GTC with my real money, and sell it here, on the forums, for ISK, and buy a bunch of ships. That ISK has real money value. So what you are saying is, CCP should never do live events because they can't fly ships with modules on them, because those modules might drop, and the ships can be looted for salvage, and they certainly can't have ammo in the hold (or anything else) because it has real money value.

You are right.

We are better off with CCP not playing the game with their dev alts. They shouldn't interact visibly with the players.

In fact, they shouldn't be allowed to play at all, because then they might have a better understanding of the game they are making.

Yep. You got it right on.

See ya later, gotta go flip a GTC to buy a faction-fit Loki.

If CCP had offered a free month to anyone who got final blow on a dev, would that have bothered you? Were you bothered by the "eve is real" AUR payouts? How's that different to this?

The only thing that bothers me a bit, and only a bit, about the loot, is how more pirate faction ammo dropped from those events than has been sold in Jita in a year.

Isn't it unethical of you to keep playing a game made by developers who you think act unethical? Also when you leave can I have your stuff?

One problem with roaming around in a sizable fleet in low sec, waiting to clash with other, even bigger fleets can be a bit of a problem with lag. If you have a couple pre-reinforced systems, you can be sure that at least no server lag reduces the possible maximum fun for the players in these systems. Just jumping around 50 jumps might turn out to be not such a brilliant idea under these circumstances. (Time dilation ftw!)

Another problem with jumping around like madmen results from the inability to set up a fleet and travel to a certain given destination.

With Jita close at hand, it was pretty reasonable to expect at least a small fleet being prepared soon after the news spread. Some would have thought it fun maybe to chase a CCP fleet around the world without having any fight at all, but a lot of other people would have called that just being plain stupid.

But I will quote our news from yesterday:

"The destination of the fleet is unknown at this time but fragmented communication picked up on channels indicates that the fleet are on exercise maneuvers which will involve direct combat with capsuleers. It is believed that this is an initial training exercise for a much larger operation coming up later in the year."


Feedback is always welcome, especially when it is constructive.

I would like to say "Thank you very much!" to all the participants and also to those who would have liked to join, but were unable to do so.

Whining crybabies in this thread.

Those aren't fingers, it's tech and trillions of ISK, but keep on crying peasant. We're all listening.

PLEX are an in-game item and don't have any more real world value than a Thorax or an Avatar.

There is a single dissenting voice by the name of RougeOperator. Don't let his dozens of posts in this thread give the impression that this event wasn't brilliant on CCP's part, and that more events like this would be awesome.

Census?

-CCP likely had a blast doing this.

-Players that participated definitely had a blast doing this, for numerous reasons other than KMs (lol?)

-People who didn't participate are a little resentful, but are glad that CCP is actually PARTICIPATING in the game.

-RougeOperator is obviously butt-hurt that he wasn't there and continues to spout illogical 'unethical' claimed nonsense, which is bordering troll behavior. For every post he makes, 10 more of us refute his whiny banter. It's comedy, really =)

-Rouge is spelled "R-O-G-U-E"

That is all.

RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.


do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless.

Actually they haven't sold you anything:

"Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP".

You just own thin air. Congratulations.

C.

If they could be converted back into cash then you may have a point, but they can't legally (in CCP's view) .. Heck, modules being dropped can be sold to make ISK to buy PLEX .. It's exactly the same, whether they are tech 1 or faction.

It's fairly easy ..

Money converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.
Plex converted to money = CCP doesn't make $15 .. Oh no, sky falls in! (Not to mention that it is against the UELA)
Modules converted to ISK converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.

So you are complaining that CCP is not making some money from this and someone gets to play for free for a month.

This.
Someone else said sth. similar earlier.. If there's some radio event in some part of your country where they give out free concert tickets, do you get mad, too, because you didn't get one or weren't even in that region that day? Do you scream "unethical"?
Cause these tickets are the same as PLEXes:
You cannot return them for money, but you can enter the concert with them. You may be able to trade it with someone. Selling those on eBay is illegal. You save money, if you would have payed for the concert otherwise.

Same thing, exactly. Unethical, neither.

For the record (once again) Rouge is spelled R-O-G-U-E

That is all.


-Jace

Which still... hurts their pockets.