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Galavet Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:54:00 - [31] I managed to read a couple of sentances of this crap, and the only thing I can gather from it is this: Chowdown is evil, and his men are mean too. Oh and boo-hoo, boo-hoo. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:01:00 - [32] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 19/07/2006 14:02:39 In the situation as a commander aggressing in the situation. I would not have podded those gents. Only use enough force to end the hostility and clear it up through diplomatic channels later. But by podding them that showed clear signs of malicious intentions. I know the FC of that action during this event. He know he goofed up a bit but the situation is sticky now out of his control. Though trying not to play one side against the other. the Podding of those pilots by IAC personnel was a step over the line. the DA pilots present should have also been restrained out of honor and command authority of the fleet commander present. The gang was an IAC gang which DA pilots was flying with. So the fall under the command of IAC. I condone the actions to fire back on LV but I honestly can not see the podding of the pilots honorable. It could show clear signs of malicious towards the LV alliance which in turn can in honor be a result of war. This matter needs to be cleared up in the diplomatic manner noted in one of my above post. Mind you this is only advisory in content as I like to see the south a little more stable then just add another war to the conflict which honestly no one will gain in. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:10:00 - [33] How can you condone it? Neutral BS on a gate, no standings - IAC hadn't even bothered asking us to give them standings, this corp hadn't asked for standings themselves - small squad of LV engage this ship (NBSI). Next up, IAC jumps in and opens fire on LV without any warning, including podding the LV members. Grounds for war? Definately. IAC haven't even officially apologised yet... --------
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:10:00 - [34] Am still waiting to see the need for posting this stuff, morale seems fine, they are making preps for an invasion by an alliance that is way more powerful than theirs and they will give it their best shot. I hope you would get banned for this.
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:12:00 - [35] Sounds like they've been to the Red Alliance School of Diplomacy (TM)
Eric carr Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:16:00 - [36] man, this happens all the time, Still i dont shoot blue :P Remember when we still had + to CC but - to CDC, man it was funny in curse then. You got couht in a CC bubble, CC dident shoot, but suddenly CDC comes out and shoot at you. Eve-politics when best Shoot blue, face the consequence (or how it is spelled...) Please only use english in your signature - Jacques([email protected])
Yakti	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:20:00 - [37] Please, remove the ALTZ posts please
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:21:00 - [38] Originally by: The Enslaver How can you condone it? Neutral BS on a gate, no standings - IAC hadn't even bothered asking us to give them standings, this corp hadn't asked for standings themselves - small squad of LV engage this ship (NBSI). Next up, IAC jumps in and opens fire on LV without any warning, including podding the LV members. Grounds for war? Definately. IAC haven't even officially apologised yet... Understand the point of momment situation. A pilot in your fleet is getting engaged in hostile action. What do you do. sit there and watch him and possibly others die or eliminate the threat. It was pushed to far though and IMO IAC should pay in compensations for the lost of pilots. I agree an attempt SHOULD have been made in verbal communication to stop the firing on the spot. The IAC commander instead of engaging should have autowarped the fleet to a safe spot and asked questions to the NAP'd personnel on their attentions and not present a hostile situation. But that can not be fixed. If my fleet was being fired upon I would fire back. But if in the given situation where the point of the first shot was made, only seconds was away from possible forced combat, it can come to a hard decision. Normally safety of YOUR MEN comes first and foremost. Take responsiblity for it later. That is why I condone the destruction of the ship, but not how it happened nor the following podding. The commander should have had a scout on the other side to know LV ships was in bound like any good fleet op. Knowing this and if he did have this in place. His first reaction should have been to tell his scout to talk to the LV or move the fleet out of possible combat knowing DA personnel was hostile to LV. A wise commander should still try to confirm hostility before firing to avoid diplomatic issues. If the alliance has an excellent diplomatic contact team then the alliance could afford the mishaps. If not like most alliances, it is only best to be sure before shooting. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Understand the point of momment situation. A pilot in your fleet is getting engaged in hostile action. What do you do. sit there and watch him and possibly others die or eliminate the threat. It was pushed to far though and IMO IAC should pay in compensations for the lost of pilots. I agree an attempt SHOULD have been made in verbal communication to stop the firing on the spot. The IAC commander instead of engaging should have autowarped the fleet to a safe spot and asked questions to the NAP'd personnel on their attentions and not present a hostile situation. But that can not be fixed. If my fleet was being fired upon I would fire back. But if in the given situation where the point of the first shot was made, only seconds was away from possible forced combat, it can come to a hard decision. Normally safety of YOUR MEN comes first and foremost. Take responsiblity for it later. That is why I condone the destruction of the ship, but not how it happened nor the following podding. The commander should have had a scout on the other side to know LV ships was in bound like any good fleet op. Knowing this and if he did have this in place. His first reaction should have been to tell his scout to talk to the LV or move the fleet out of possible combat knowing DA personnel was hostile to LV. A wise commander should still try to confirm hostility before firing to avoid diplomatic issues. If the alliance has an excellent diplomatic contact team then the alliance could afford the mishaps. If not like most alliances, it is only best to be sure before shooting. No, as IAC made no attempted to get this person standings (and please note this pilot was not a part of IAC), they had no grounds whatsoever. --------
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:28:00 - [40] If my opinion could be taken. I believe this poster is not of the IAC alliance, but a spy working for another alliance which managed to infilitrate their forum and thus the reason why an alt was used. I would look hard at RA or C-C who could only benefit from a possible war between IAC and LV. But the above overall sitiuation still also needs to be looked into and fixed, but also as advice; IAC scrub your forums for spies. I think this is an espionoge attempt by a 3rd part to push LV and IAC towards war. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Del369 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:30:00 - [41] Originally by: Major Tarsis Seen as this is now in the Open can I ask one question to IACs. We jumped into WQH-4K and since my overview was set to exclude friendlies, I didn't notice the LV until someone said said in Vent that there were hostile LV present and I reset my overview. Most of the fleet were still cloaked but a couple of ships including the (or one of the) Deadly Alliance had decloaked and I heard in someone say in Vent that LV were hostile to DA and that the DA pilot had been engaged by the LV pilots. FC gave the order to engage the LV ships (a Zealot, Stilleto and Sacrilige) and they were quickly destroyed. Someone asked about the pods and the order was given to pod them also which happened an instant later. So from the above first post LV engaged a hostile who appeared at the gate in the standard NBSI rules of engagement, and no shouts were given from IACs to LV to disengage their ships your FC just decided to: 1. Open Fire on NAPed pilots without asking for them to disengage. 2. Order his pilots to imediately pod the LV pilots AFTER their ships and thus any danger had been eliminated. 3. Refuse to compensate the LV pilots after the incident? Is this the standard practise of IACs Fleet Commanders and are his actions supported by the Alliance Leadership? personal opinion only and simply put no and i highly doubt it. also from memory the scum sucking alt has left a whole other side off that, the one debating exactly those questions above, making it seem a very one sided affair, when actually its far from it. just my 2c (and last post) I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:34:00 - [42] Originally by: The Enslaver No, as IAC made no attempted to get this person standings, whilst they know that LV is active in catch and operates on NBSI (and please note this pilot was not a part of IAC), they had no grounds whatsoever. Which I agree to Sir that IAC is most at fault for this issue not LV. IAC diplomats are needed to come forward to answer for the issue and in my above posting provide a fix if one is desired. But a reasonable fix should be accepted by LV for issue, which in a way could or should be the replacement of the ships to those pilots and steps taken to make it clear in understand guidelines which both alliances should live by to coexist and more importantly fight enemies that are a constant plague to the stability of the south. I ask LV to be patient for a few days if IAC leadership is willing to work out the details of this situation. I still believe this is a underline attempt by another alliance to have IAC and LV fight. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Burlock Ironfist Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Burlock Ironfist on 19/07/2006 14:41:25 From my understanding of it all i think the worse thing was not that they enguaged each other but A) LV pilots were podded, there was no need for that at all. B) No compensation or appology was ever offered even after LV diplomats contacted IAC. i have paid out of my own wallet when i shot a nutral that ended up being a alt of a friendly main.... i can not see why IAC would not have offerd compensation at all. unless they didnt have theisk and i cant believe that. these things happen but IAC obviously wanted a conflict. "opinions our my own thank you very much"
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Eric carr man, this happens all the time, Still i dont shoot blue :P Remember when we still had + to CC but - to CDC, man it was funny in curse then. You got couht in a CC bubble, CC dident shoot, but suddenly CDC comes out and shoot at you. Eve-politics when best Shoot blue, face the consequence (or how it is spelled...) To be fair. When LV and CC were blue to each other, CC and CDC were shooting each others. When CDC and CC turned blue to each other LV and CC were shooting each other. Originally by: Lord Wimbishi If my opinion could be taken. I believe this poster is not of the IAC alliance, but a spy working for another alliance which managed to infilitrate their forum and thus the reason why an alt was used. I would look hard at RA or C-C who could only benefit from a possible war between IAC and LV. But the above overall sitiuation still also needs to be looked into and fixed, but also as advice; IAC scrub your forums for spies. I think this is an espionoge attempt by a 3rd part to push LV and IAC towards war. LV and IAC are already shooting each other. The OP really isnt acomplishing anything here but posting internal stuff from the IAC boards.
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:48:00 - [45] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 19/07/2006 14:55:33 I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. And about the OP posting internal stuff WITHOUT personnel comments or opinions deduces many things in psycology. One it is aimed to get fires stired and flaired up. One that would NOT benefit IAC in any many. Two without making personnel comment it can be viewed the person also is self concious about his typing ability I.E. Foreigng (RA has been known for this) three Why would you try to ruse out the possibility of this happening if it is probably intended in the first place by C-C or RA? LV probably wouldn't care less and most likely would just chalk it up as one of those 'getting' around to it type of deals when they finish up with RA. IAC on the other hand is under enough duress as an alliance to warrent such a large threat like LV to breath all down at them. It doesn't add up so.. Why would an IAC person flair up LV hositily against his own alliance? highly doubt it unless he is a traitor or a spy. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. This incident took place a week ago. Since there there has been plenty of shooting to go around. No new information has been provided here, and it already seems like this conflict isnt going to end with a simple "im sorry, heres your money back". Its gone beyond just LV since chimp seems involved as well now.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? Max
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:02:00 - [48] And that is not a reason for to try to fix the situation? Why continue to keep the south in more tormoil if another party can benefit from it in the long run or most likely let a smaller entity to bid more time to gain strength against a larger more establish threat. Why else not use two other organizations to fight each other and keep your own hands clean? I see you fighting this quite a bit. Why? This situation can easily be toned down once things are brought into the clear and miscommunication is found out why for and an understanding is reached to fix it between the two alliances. Either has nothing to gain from this, if there was to be a winner and loser it goes without saying who it would be. But in the end that would only weaken a organization that could be used to strengthen the south even more instead of fighting in insurgency like RA has been along with its allies. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:04:00 - [49] Bacilius Bottle cleaner Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 72 Location: The Tidemark Posted: 19 Jul 2006 12:52 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought his reply was an even better RP.... Originally by: Bach -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there is no threat then perhaps you'd consider running those war supplies under your own flag? I'm must confess Sir I do not know what an alt is. I can only imagine its some variety of altered humanoid designed by your Sansha masters. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alt is my name, curr, and one you shall do well to not speak again should you wish to continue your ramblings with teeth! Please recommend a more fruitful path when pointing to information boards, for it is a bare and deceiving wasteland when it comes to your own... Take heed, beloved pet of Angels... any preparation for war in Catch has and will be made with scant consideration for the likes of you. Enemies deemed worthy of war declare their intentions in ways you could never afford nor understand. You would do well to retreat to your kennels when the cries of battle reach your mongrel pack. By the looks of it, Bach was rendered speechless And I cant use an Alt, Hello Pot, This is Kettle
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? quite simply I am a concerned resident of the south and once had power and supported the southern coalitions efforts for a stable south. though not as active at the time being physically in game due to my real life operation in support of (Operation Iraqi Freedom) I had to draw back my activity tilll I can employ more time then I was able to here. I still consider myself a support system of the a stabile south ideal. This is why I have involved myself. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
shivan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Galavet I managed to read a couple of sentances of this crap, and the only thing I can gather from it is this: Chowdown is evil, and his men are mean too. Oh and boo-hoo, boo-hoo. I didn't even get that far, so thanx for the summary.
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? quite simply I am a concerned resident of the south and once had power and supported the southern coalitions efforts for a stable south. though not as active at the time being physically in game due to my real life operation in support of (Operation Iraqi Freedom) I had to draw back my activity tilll I can employ more time then I was able to here. I still consider myself a support system of the a stabile south ideal. This is why I have involved myself. Stability is boring, shooty shooty is fun. Support stability in your own region not in the whole south.
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 19/07/2006 15:07:46 Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? quite simply I am a concerned resident of the south and once had power and supported the southern coalitions efforts for a stable south. though not as active at the time being physically in game due to my real life operation in support of (Operation Iraqi Freedom) I had to draw back my activity tilll I can employ more time then I was able to here. I still consider myself a support system of the a stabile south ideal. This is why I have involved myself. Stability is boring, shooty shooty is fun. Support stability in your own region not in the whole south. edit: /me alt tabs away from work...puts his majic forum ***** hat on for today. Hence your comment and the reason before why I believe C-C or RA is behind this post. The event itself is a separate issue used in a primary instance and focal point to rouse hatred for this post which in turn would continue to keep the south unstable, not in IAC or LV alliances favor. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Pegas Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi snip But in the end that would only weaken a organization that could be used to strengthen the south even more instead of fighting in insurgency like RA has been along with its allies. And how 15 apocs and 12 ravens should be helping us? Some of us are evan pleased to not have so much blue arround. Talk time is over. If any IAC director has anything to say about this talk to Enslaver.
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:14:00 - [55] Originally by: The Enslaver How can you condone it? Neutral BS on a gate, no standings - IAC hadn't even bothered asking us to give them standings, this corp hadn't asked for standings themselves - small squad of LV engage this ship (NBSI). Next up, IAC jumps in and opens fire on LV without any warning, including podding the LV members. Grounds for war? Definately. IAC haven't even officially apologised yet... Only read a small portion, but thats exactly how I understand it. IAC screwed up and killed LV pilots that had them blue.
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Hence your comment and the reason before why I believe C-C or RA is behind this post. The event itself is a separate issue used in a primary instance and focal point to rouse hatred for this post which in turn would continue to keep the south unstable, not in IAC or LV alliances favor. Like I explained before. The parties have been shooting at each other for a week and theres no signs of it changing. What has this post acomplished? Knowing Shinra they like the shooty shooty as well, theres no need for posts like this.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Raid Knowing Shinra they like the shooty shooty as well, theres no need for posts like this. Yarr !!! Max
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:22:00 - [58] Now make NPC stations in 0.0 regions conquerable and you'd see some real fun going down as then fights could be forced more by the aggressor.
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Hence your comment and the reason before why I believe C-C or RA is behind this post. The event itself is a separate issue used in a primary instance and focal point to rouse hatred for this post which in turn would continue to keep the south unstable, not in IAC or LV alliances favor. Like I explained before. The parties have been shooting at each other for a week and theres no signs of it changing. What has this post acomplished? Knowing Shinra they like the shooty shooty as well, theres no need for posts like this. Which also if people had dealt with them in the past on. is normal RA posting behavior. To rouse hate. But there isn't any conclusive evidence of this at this time. But Even a few weeks of war and a settlement reach is better then a war that lasts months and months which strains resources of an alliance, even one as strong as LV. Anyways I had posted and made my points to the entire affair. It all boils down to the leadership and their willpower, if any to settle the issue so each of their alliances can focus on threats that are most likely more beligerant then a brush fire incident that just happen to spin out of control. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi But Even a few weeks of war and a settlement reach is better then a war that lasts months and months which strains resources of an alliance, even one as strong as LV. Life out here can be simplified: EVE = Shooty Shooty > Walky Talky A month of fun fighting is a heck of a lot better than two weeks and some rat hunting/mining. You wont find this view uncommon among most people in the south.

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