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Emno Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Emno on 19/07/2006 12:56:51 Originally by: Macrobuster 0 ok but content here would help ;p
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Macrobuster on 19/07/2006 12:57:27 jedi2005 Bottle cleaner Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 55 Location: Rogen's Heroes Posted: 14 Jul 2006 12:19 am Post subject: LV wardec -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> author : Emanuelle L'Antivierge 2006.07.13 03:15 Lots of facts are getting muddled so here's my account: A fleet was on its way to support Huzzah against an incusion by RAT and Stain Empire. This fleet was mostly IAC but included at least one Deadly Alliance and possibly an ASCN pilot too. We jumped into WQH-4K and since my overview was set to exclude friendlies, I didn't notice the LV until someone said said in Vent that there were hostile LV present and I reset my overview. Most of the fleet were still cloaked but a couple of ships including the (or one of the) Deadly Alliance had decloaked and I heard in someone say in Vent that LV were hostile to DA and that the DA pilot had been engaged by the LV pilots. FC gave the order to engage the LV ships (a Zealot, Stilleto and Sacrilige) and they were quickly destroyed. Someone asked about the pods and the order was given to pod them also which happened an instant later. Emm. Umbra. >>>>> Greetz, Jedi Bonehead Bottle cleaner
BadMojoTX	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:58:00 - [3] Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 14 Location: Mercurialis Inc. Posted: 14 Jul 2006 06:25 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was there and can confirm it happend, im a solider and was told to kill and destroy em because they had commited aggression to us(our scout) even if we had a NAP with em. We did pay back the agression instant and even pod kill em In a gang always follow orders, ask question later....... (I'm convinced they had done the same to us if we agressed em in a simular way, to bad for em they did not know we had a small fleet on the other side of gate...) tigress Site Admin Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 1027 Location: Genco Posted: 14 Jul 2006 11:13 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup, details will come. Atm it looks like were living with a LV wardec for a while. I however doubt they will go in full force, they will probably check our strengths first. _________________ jedi2005 Bottle cleaner Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 55 Location: Rogen's Heroes Posted: 14 Jul 2006 03:59 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- red shoot it, i suppose Bluebear8 Bottle cleaner Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 20 Location: ORION ORE Posted: 14 Jul 2006 04:25 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bonehead wrote: I was there and can confirm it happend, im * they commited aggression to us * (I'm convinced they had done the same to us if we agressed em in a simular way, too bad for em they did not know we had a small fleet on the other side of gate...) OK, so there you go ... _________________ CEO, ORION ORE Bluebear8 Bottle cleaner Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 20 Location: ORION ORE Posted: 14 Jul 2006 04:28 pm Post subject: Re: LV wardec -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jedi2005 wrote: >>>>> author : Emanuelle L'Antivierge 2006.07.13 03:15 Most of the fleet were still cloaked * I heard in someone say in Vent ... that the DA pilot had been engaged by the LV pilots. FC gave the order to engage * Jedi Quite clearly, LV shot first and started this damn mess. LV don't want peace. Nuff said. _________________ CEO, ORION ORE
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:59:00 - [4] Linavin Bottle cleaner Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 62 Location: Mercurialis Inc. Posted: 14 Jul 2006 07:10 pm Post subject: Re: LV wardec -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bluebear8 wrote: Quite clearly, LV shot first and started this damn mess. LV don't want peace. Nuff said. Don't be so quick to blame LV. If you saw a red square flying around next to you, you would have no way of knowing if it was in a gang with another party. However we need more details, was the DA player who was fired upon with the main gang (i.e. within sight of IAC) or was he at a seperate gate/station/system? Ymsc Zod Bottle cleaner Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 62 Location: GENCO Posted: 14 Jul 2006 07:12 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FFS WHO CARES NOW. We are at war and arguing over it will do nothing but cause more problems in the alliance. Let the diplomat that is handling this get the facts and deal with LV. Stop ****ing about who shot first or why they shot and start preparing for war. Wish I didn't work this weekend so I could help fight. Cicilus Hadrican Bottle cleaner Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Infinity Enterprises Posted: 14 Jul 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- agreed Its been know that LV been unhappy with the nap and been looking for a reason to fight though not refunding them didnt help the matter* while you wait for the diplomats to try and accomplish peace, take in mind that LV wasted no time to attack IAC in JZV and now actively firing at iac in empire. Just listen to your directors, be very careful in empire and kos in jzv until both partys agree on a seize fire. BlackHorizon AA member Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Orion Ore Posted: 16 Jul 2006 03:14 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know what to make of this. It's a bit upsetting. Here's a chat log from G-7. [08:25:38] amstaffuuu > the bad thing we gonna take ur outpost:) [08:26:02] amstaffuuu > only 4 moons [08:26:04] amstaffuuu > in system lol tigress Site Admin Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 1027 Location: Genco Posted: 16 Jul 2006 03:39 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 moons, and since they cannot put up a pos then - its gonna be HARD for them. So, we better prepare.. get those NEUT ships ready people! Spenz AA member Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Office Linebackers Posted: 16 Jul 2006 04:48 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LV were already up to trouble. Someone posted a screenshot of LV bubble-camping the outpost WITH CC. afaic any friend of CC is an enemy of IAC
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:00:00 - [5] tigress Site Admin Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 1027 Location: Genco Posted: 16 Jul 2006 10:42 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Preparations needed: 1. posses running deathstar mode: Check 2. stront being filled to the brim: check 3. fleet of neutralizer ships ready to tackle capitals: nope.- 4. stock up on ammo, strontium, fuel for posses in g-7.: dunno, any market runner want to help out? It is number 3 that will win the fight for us. If all corps got 2-3 bships (tier 1), with heavy neuts in hislots and all t1/cheap stuff fitted, insure them and have them ready to be fielded if they jump capitals in. The capital ships can stay docked in the station until such an event happens, as undocking 10+ capitals will be a hard nut to ***, specially since they can all go siege and sit in docking range (they cant do ** about that). Docking IS possible in siege mode (pending 30 second agression timer).
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:00:00 - [6] Bottle cleaner Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 20 Location: FIRMA Posted: 16 Jul 2006 06:02 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also saw amstuffuuu's threat today (guy is a pretty cool customer, man id love that bounty) How about deathstarring the POS's until further notice ? If they arnt already. Just an opinion... Just thered be so much trouble if they did what SE and RAT tried, with a 'quick' POS insertion. I know it can never actually be quick, but relatively if they get a soft one of ours outta the way.... ouch. Random.
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:01:00 - [7] Cicilus Hadrican Bottle cleaner Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Infinity Enterprises Posted: 17 Jul 2006 06:43 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tigress wrote: Preparations needed: 1. posses running deathstar mode: Check 2. stront being filled to the brim: check 3. fleet of neutralizer ships ready to tackle capitals: nope.- 4. stock up on ammo, strontium, fuel for posses in g-7.: dunno, any market runner want to help out? It is number 3 that will win the fight for us. If all corps got 2-3 bships (tier 1), with heavy neuts in hislots and all t1/cheap stuff fitted, insure them and have them ready to be fielded if they jump capitals in. The capital ships can stay docked in the station until such an event happens, as undocking 10+ capitals will be a hard nut to ***, specially since they can all go siege and sit in docking range (they cant do ** about that). Docking IS possible in siege mode (pending 30 second agression timer). Well is all well and good tackling the dreads with bses but we might want to realize that just as we pos smash we got 20-40 bses right there hitting the pos too and there to back up the dreads. We might want to take this in account (As in kill the bses then crush the dreads next) We mmight want to start a bs fund, not all members can afford bses and this might be the opportune time to get them in them so we have a larger bs fleet then 40 + allies if they come to the aid edit: Dreads are slow as hell and poses fit with webbers will garentee they stay there. everyone might want to start bringing warp bubbles to depoly just inside the shield, but allows for the bubble to grab them and keep them hugging the shield and not propelled up. (100% deathstar pos fire on a bs, means one extra crispy bs.) tigress Site Admin Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 1027 Location: Genco Posted: 17 Jul 2006 07:22 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The neut bships are to drain cap so OUR capital fleet can come and instakill the capital in question from 250km range. The bship fleet cant do much about that either. Cicilus Hadrican
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:02:00 - [8] Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Infinity Enterprises Posted: 17 Jul 2006 07:41 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tigress wrote: The neut bships are to drain cap so OUR capital fleet can come and instakill the capital in question from 250km range. The bship fleet cant do much about that either. so basically uber tank set lasers to "suck" Semi perverted and a genious plan. But we really need a bs fund. to get other members fighting in this (IE Those miners/industrials that can fight, but dont want to risk the ship to do it. Or the ones that dont have one anyway but have the skills to fly it and passive tank it, but cant buy it.) If they make the attack I'm willing to bet it will be saturday or sunday. We might want to have people sneak bses or various ships to a boarding high sec system. Maybe make a frieghter load of extras then hold a manditory op to escort it down. This week should be dedicated to stockpiling ships and preparing the poses further (ie warp bubbles and alike) Again suggestions, for the directors to make. If LV stand to remove us from catch, it should be manditory for pilots to amass in G-7 fitted and ready to fight, attempt to knock out the original gang before cynos come up (if we eliminate the original threat first, there is no way for capitals to come in anyway) That fuel haulers should be primary Also do we got our allies on the line? Asking them for help to be on stand by? Reason I say it is the gang that showed up was mixed with various groups. And CHIMP was missing. If LV do infact siege, they wont be alone again IE: (CHIMP, KOS, LV, Various small corps) I cant stress enough that due to RL and working circumstances that weekday would be very suprising to see them make a land fall seige attempt. This week MUST be used to amass up and getting allies ready for a large battle. Maybe talking to Axiom maybe ASCN (though I believe ASCN made vocal to stay out of it) SA maybe or others. And maybe if we can (I'll suggest it before someelse does, even though I disapprove) hire mercs to come in to beefen our numbers tinman44 Bottle cleaner Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 32 Location: DarkBladeTechnologies Posted: 17 Jul 2006 08:28 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed, this weekend they showed up with a 60 man fleet, they were testing the waters. In their point of view we did nothing, however i know we had a fleet to combat. So it is possible and most likely that the weekend and perhaps the next weekend they will try at a pos. I wasnt aware you could anchor a warp bubble inside a pos, if we can every pos should have at least one. Cicilus Hadrican Bottle cleaner Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Infinity Enterprises Posted: 17 Jul 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tried the bubbles, you can only deploy it just outside the pos so bubbles deployed will only get the intial ships, a dread will pop them and then begin the seige. so use at your own risk Markius Proxim Testing & tasting
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:03:00 - [9] Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 256 Location: [PX11] Posted: 17 Jul 2006 01:31 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The BS fund is in RNF, it's called arknor... mine it sell it, buy yourself a BS... thats how i paid for mine.... if u can't mine haul for someone... if u can't do that kill rats... if u can't kill rats, u shouldn't be in a BS. There are sell orders for loot up, you get bounties... kill stuff... get isk get your own BS JZV it's self is the BS fund thats why were out here. U can make hella cash get a friend and abuse it.... (friend for chongy and WW) Veck Torr AA member Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Umbra Congregatio Posted: 17 Jul 2006 01:46 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Markius Proxim wrote: The BS fund is in RNF, it's called arknor... mine it sell it, buy yourself a BS... thats how i paid for mine.... if u can't mine haul for someone... if u can't do that kill rats... if u can't kill rats, u shouldn't be in a BS. There are sell orders for loot up, you get bounties... kill stuff... get isk get your own BS JZV it's self is the BS fund thats why were out here. U can make hella cash get a friend and abuse it.... (friend for chongy and WW) That is correct, but in a time of war this path is not an option. If the leaders of the IAC do not have a plan to organize and supply the troops and 60+ ships come back I dont see anything but a total loss. Linavin Bottle cleaner Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 62 Location: Mercurialis Inc. Posted: 17 Jul 2006 02:06 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- erm you can mine just fine during a war, hell we've been at a de-facto war with CC basically ever since we claimed the constellation. The majority of time there are no hostiles in system. And if you really don't want to go into RNF and brave the ark rats, you can always mine gneiss in g-7 or mb Kassad Bottle cleaner Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 62 Location: The Famous Smoking Hillbillies Posted: 17 Jul 2006 03:33 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linavin wrote: erm you can mine just fine during a war, hell we've been at a de-facto war with CC basically ever since we claimed the constellation. The majority of time there are no hostiles in system. And if you really don't want to go into RNF and brave the ark rats, you can always mine gneiss in g-7 or mb Obviously you've never been in a proper 0.0 war. Waht we've had with CC is not a war. It's called normal 0.0 life. A proper war will make you sit up and take notice, and it's completely different from this. Lock up sooty and sheep, SMK are coming to Sweden Yurito Testing & tasting Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 253 Location: Mercurialis Inc. Posted: 17 Jul 2006 04:11 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kassad wrote: Linavin wrote: erm you can mine just fine during a war, hell we've been at a de-facto war with CC basically ever since we claimed the constellation. The majority of time there are no hostiles in system. And if you really don't want to go into RNF and brave the ark rats, you can always mine gneiss in g-7 or mb Obviously you've never been in a proper 0.0 war. Waht we've had with CC is not a war. It's called normal 0.0 life. A proper war will make you sit up and take notice, and it's completely different from this. Lock up sooty and sheep, SMK are coming to Sweden what's your war experience? sorry, "proper 0.0 war" experience Boris A
BillyBong2 Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:03:00 - [10] WTB a clue, because to be honest I am lost! _________________________
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:04:00 - [11] Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 256 Location: [PX11] Posted: 18 Jul 2006 05:46 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well they ain't here yet, best get to mining/ratting... as for war prep... can i get some POSITIVE comments from all these "war vets"? What do we need to do/expect... Due to our increase in POS war experience, do we want to refit any POS? To me it's pretty much given that Dreds will survive from POS guns, therefore it would be best to have guns target BS's. Small lasers shoot more often than large guns and do similar damage and equal range. Therefore, IMO, these would be the most effective aginst BS. Then throw some large arty's and missiles in the mix to scare some people. But i've never had my POS attacked so what do you guys think? Zyranyth Bottle cleaner Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 68 Location: Umbra Congregatio Posted: 18 Jul 2006 06:01 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One good thing to keep in mind for fleet engagements. With a large fleet, if it's as well oiled as Shinra for example, only DPS counts. They focus fire - target goes boom. Switch targets - next one pops, etc. There is absolutely no use using expensive mods/ships with elaborate setups, since you'll lose it most likely anyway. So. Lots of turrets, lots of damage mods, and a pair of headphones. Now, while chatter is ok in smaller gangs, it's obviously more important than anything that ONLY the FC speaks, and everyone listen to him and do only what he says, be it whoever. Then again, guerilla tactics work too, naturally, but not against organised defense, and they don't do much damage against large fleets, so leave these for when you go raiding -LV- terroritory to harass them. Most of -LV- use standard T1 mods and T1 ships in fleet combat, funded by their alliance. Losing a couple of battleships isn't much more to them than a mosquito bite. It's halting their advance that matters, not sacrificing our ships to get a kill or two. And last but not least. Miners and ratters, keep an eye on local. This is war, not pirate activity like CC. There is no use complaining about dying because you were focused on personal wealth instead of defending the future of our alliance. Every ship helps, regardless whether you consider yourself a pvper or not. Try it out - it's not that bad. tigress Site Admin Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 1027 Location: Genco Posted: 18 Jul 2006 07:27 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very good points. Every bship pilot should equip a fleet bship. Damage and fast damage only, t1 preferablly. Linavin Bottle cleaner Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 62 Location: Mercurialis Inc. Posted: 18 Jul 2006 11:04 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And don't worry about loosing your fleet battleship either, insurance should cover the loss quite well if you've fitted it with tech 1 mods Cicilus Hadrican Bottle cleaner
BadMojoTX	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:04:00 - [12] Joined: 03 Dec 2005 Posts: 21 Location: Mercurialis Inc Posted: 17 Jul 2006 09:22 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kassad wrote: Linavin wrote: erm you can mine just fine during a war, hell we've been at a de-facto war with CC basically ever since we claimed the constellation. The majority of time there are no hostiles in system. And if you really don't want to go into RNF and brave the ark rats, you can always mine gneiss in g-7 or mb Obviously you've never been in a proper 0.0 war. Waht we've had with CC is not a war. It's called normal 0.0 life. A proper war will make you sit up and take notice, and it's completely different from this. Lock up sooty and sheep, SMK are coming to Sweden doesnt change that there still arent hostiles in our systems most of the time tigress Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 1027 Location: Genco Posted: 18 Jul 2006 02:56 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless, If a pilot has a battleship and the isk to fit it with t1 stuff, insurance pays for everything if he dies.. It's not very hard to gather 100 mills is there? raahman Bottle cleaner Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 14 Location: Smoking Hillbilly's Posted: 18 Jul 2006 04:34 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stop the crap about BS funding and all that. It's very simple. If you like life in JZV and believe me it's easy to become wealthy here ... Fight for it. All that has been suggested here are ways we can best defend our HOME I will use every ship I have here to defend and if that means suicide run in my Raven to nos/drain a capital then so be it... ( i will of course remove my t2 gear from it first#) Lock up yer beer and torture SMK, we're coming to Sweden Something Random Bottle cleaner Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 20 Location: FIRMA Posted: 18 Jul 2006 04:37 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yurito wrote: Kassad wrote: Linavin wrote: erm you can mine just fine during a war, hell we've been at a de-facto war with CC basically ever since we claimed the constellation. The majority of time there are no hostiles in system. And if you really don't want to go into RNF and brave the ark rats, you can always mine gneiss in g-7 or mb Obviously you've never been in a proper 0.0 war. Waht we've had with CC is not a war. It's called normal 0.0 life. A proper war will make you sit up and take notice, and it's completely different from this. Lock up sooty and sheep, SMK are coming to Sweden what's your war experience? sorry, "proper 0.0 war" experience Just backing up Kassad, they are very different to what we have with CC now - that is very gentlemanly. War exp... SA(Initially Mass) vs SE (SE side) and GNW. Random. Markius Proxim Testing & tasting
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:05:00 - [13] Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Infinity Enterprises Posted: 18 Jul 2006 02:58 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- forum whoring for the win http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=365361 seems our LV friends are up to something. So I strongly urge the alliance to ready itself btw they're intial fleet for siege would all be fit for long range right not wanting to get hit by the close range pos weapons? we could pwn them at the gate with all kinds of close range. But still the alt said alot of dreads, maybe I can get some info from him sartorii Bottle cleaner Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 99 Location: GENCO Posted: 18 Jul 2006 08:16 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lol that thread is hilarious... I cant believe LV engages an alt in such obvious flame bait... _________________ to bad ignorance isnt painful Cicilus Hadrican Bottle cleaner Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Infinity Enterprises Posted: 18 Jul 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sartorii wrote: lol that thread is hilarious... I cant believe LV engages an alt in such obvious flame bait... LV's pride gets hurt when someone smacks them lmfao. Its too bad the super powers (their coalition, bob, and ascn) just done fight it out, instead we get LV vs IAC and other smaller groups and feel mighty of themselves. When and if the siege happens, I hope we wtfpwn them and give them a hell of a black eye to the public when the "Industrial called Alliance" HeMan ***** slaps them back to their home BlackHorizon AA member Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Orion Ore Posted: 19 Jul 2006 04:09 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A neat trick from the eve-o forums the empire warriors might want to use in Jita/Rens: Quote: In empire wars, make an alt, and jetisson a can of 27500m3 of 800 charges. Sit next to it in your main's battleship. Continually feed 800 charges from the can into your ship: use two cap boosters if necessary if you have a really ridiculous tank. Nobody will be able to steal the stuff in the can fast enough, and you can always refill it with your alt. Finally, if anyone tries to shoot it, they get CONCORDOKKENed!
PirateShampoo Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:08:00 - [14] I hope u get banned tbh
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:17:00 - [15] Macrobuster/Badmojo You are a **... I also hope you get banned... ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog** (BACK UP!)
Uther Doull Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:20:00 - [16] posting alliance mails is not nice
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:21:00 - [17] Never fun when someone posts your private stuff on the public forums. I wont lie though.... im enjoying this.
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:22:00 - [18] Posting internal Forum posts and mails is lame. I hope you feel shame now. MT
Uther Doull Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Emno Originally by: Uther Doull posting alliance mails is not nice its allaince fourm posts ^^ same thing
Emno Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Uther Doull posting alliance mails is not nice its allaince fourm posts ^^
Del369 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Del369 on 19/07/2006 13:30:10 Just saw this to, considering you can't stop people using alts, when they are used to quote internal secure forum posts ccp should definately perma ban them, they are the lowest form of scum sucking life out there. I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:34:00 - [22] Die, or at least get banned.
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:36:00 - [23] Why did you feel the need to post with an alt? Grow some or stop posting.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:37:00 - [24] Edited by: Max Teranous on 19/07/2006 13:38:11 Lame. Unfortunately he won't get banned, as someone reading an out of game forum has nothing to do with CCP. Edit: Whoah there, a hell of a mistype Max
Recluse Viramor Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:41:00 - [25] finally, drama in the south
Emsigma Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:43:00 - [26] Intresting to see IAC and LV go into a clash I must say, but at the same time I must give 100 thousand retard points to the alt who posted this **** here.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Emsigma Intresting to see IAC and LV go into a clash I must say, but at the same time I must give 100 thousand retard points to the alt who posted this **** here. You just saw the comment about Merc's and saw dollar (well, isk) signs everywhere Max
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:48:00 - [28] Dude all you really needed was a defined post, list the most important information and materials needed to get a point across. All that is seen is a huge sea of posts which will bore someone after the 2nd or 3rd. The idea was painted clear enough from the first if not 2nd post. No reason to ramble on with over a dozen posts, it runs PR credibility and respect in the eyes of the public. Also another matter of PR, to make it an official issue, a Main needs to be used to show any credibility otherwise it will get ignored or as you see above flamed. The thing I can see there was a shot fired towards IAC and the allied fleet, at a member that was hostile towards LV or at least appearing hostile. A reaction was employed be the entire fleet in return which of course is understandable. LV pilots shouldnÆt have fired first but as things go in 0.0 the slow to lock is normally the first to die, so it is hard to see the point about not locking and asking questions first. But also understand that if the DA personnel was known or had been reported to be hostile with LV, it is the responsibility of the fleet commander to understand the danger and impact this would play if an exact action like this would and did occur. In any 0.0 space if a enemy is seen with another in a fleet it normally goes without question if one should shoot upon the æattachedÆ personnel to the group being fired upon in the same gang. I can understand the sides and see a miscommunication issue did happen. But the step towards all of this should be recognized as this. Is IAC hostile to LV. Is IAC allied in function with DA. Is DA hostile to LV. If the issue does wished to be fixed, Establish what could fix the scenario and resume previous standings status by asking through diplomatic channels with open minded diplomats. Unless each side truly wishes war then ignore the above and just have at it. If not then establish the information above and proceed to fix the situation and take steps to keep the above accident from happening again. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:52:00 - [29] Seen as this is now in the Open can I ask one question to IACs. We jumped into WQH-4K and since my overview was set to exclude friendlies, I didn't notice the LV until someone said said in Vent that there were hostile LV present and I reset my overview. Most of the fleet were still cloaked but a couple of ships including the (or one of the) Deadly Alliance had decloaked and I heard in someone say in Vent that LV were hostile to DA and that the DA pilot had been engaged by the LV pilots. FC gave the order to engage the LV ships (a Zealot, Stilleto and Sacrilige) and they were quickly destroyed. Someone asked about the pods and the order was given to pod them also which happened an instant later. So from the above first post LV engaged a hostile who appeared at the gate in the standard NBSI rules of engagement, and no shouts were given from IACs to LV to disengage their ships your FC just decided to: 1. Open Fire on NAPed pilots without asking for them to disengage. 2. Order his pilots to imediately pod the LV pilots AFTER their ships and thus any danger had been eliminated. 3. Refuse to compensate the LV pilots after the incident? Is this the standard practise of IACs Fleet Commanders and are his actions supported by the Alliance Leadership? MT
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:54:00 - [30] Naps in the south = boring More people need to shooty shooty each other, we cant all be mining veld! The recent agressions here have been fun for everyone involved (well except that time lv took a fleet into g-7 and got nothing even though IAC was ready to fight). Lets the shoosting begin!
Galavet Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:54:00 - [31] I managed to read a couple of sentances of this crap, and the only thing I can gather from it is this: Chowdown is evil, and his men are mean too. Oh and boo-hoo, boo-hoo. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:01:00 - [32] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 19/07/2006 14:02:39 In the situation as a commander aggressing in the situation. I would not have podded those gents. Only use enough force to end the hostility and clear it up through diplomatic channels later. But by podding them that showed clear signs of malicious intentions. I know the FC of that action during this event. He know he goofed up a bit but the situation is sticky now out of his control. Though trying not to play one side against the other. the Podding of those pilots by IAC personnel was a step over the line. the DA pilots present should have also been restrained out of honor and command authority of the fleet commander present. The gang was an IAC gang which DA pilots was flying with. So the fall under the command of IAC. I condone the actions to fire back on LV but I honestly can not see the podding of the pilots honorable. It could show clear signs of malicious towards the LV alliance which in turn can in honor be a result of war. This matter needs to be cleared up in the diplomatic manner noted in one of my above post. Mind you this is only advisory in content as I like to see the south a little more stable then just add another war to the conflict which honestly no one will gain in. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:10:00 - [33] How can you condone it? Neutral BS on a gate, no standings - IAC hadn't even bothered asking us to give them standings, this corp hadn't asked for standings themselves - small squad of LV engage this ship (NBSI). Next up, IAC jumps in and opens fire on LV without any warning, including podding the LV members. Grounds for war? Definately. IAC haven't even officially apologised yet... --------
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:10:00 - [34] Am still waiting to see the need for posting this stuff, morale seems fine, they are making preps for an invasion by an alliance that is way more powerful than theirs and they will give it their best shot. I hope you would get banned for this.
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:12:00 - [35] Sounds like they've been to the Red Alliance School of Diplomacy (TM)
Eric carr Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:16:00 - [36] man, this happens all the time, Still i dont shoot blue :P Remember when we still had + to CC but - to CDC, man it was funny in curse then. You got couht in a CC bubble, CC dident shoot, but suddenly CDC comes out and shoot at you. Eve-politics when best Shoot blue, face the consequence (or how it is spelled...) Please only use english in your signature - Jacques([email protected])
Yakti	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:20:00 - [37] Please, remove the ALTZ posts please
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:21:00 - [38] Originally by: The Enslaver How can you condone it? Neutral BS on a gate, no standings - IAC hadn't even bothered asking us to give them standings, this corp hadn't asked for standings themselves - small squad of LV engage this ship (NBSI). Next up, IAC jumps in and opens fire on LV without any warning, including podding the LV members. Grounds for war? Definately. IAC haven't even officially apologised yet... Understand the point of momment situation. A pilot in your fleet is getting engaged in hostile action. What do you do. sit there and watch him and possibly others die or eliminate the threat. It was pushed to far though and IMO IAC should pay in compensations for the lost of pilots. I agree an attempt SHOULD have been made in verbal communication to stop the firing on the spot. The IAC commander instead of engaging should have autowarped the fleet to a safe spot and asked questions to the NAP'd personnel on their attentions and not present a hostile situation. But that can not be fixed. If my fleet was being fired upon I would fire back. But if in the given situation where the point of the first shot was made, only seconds was away from possible forced combat, it can come to a hard decision. Normally safety of YOUR MEN comes first and foremost. Take responsiblity for it later. That is why I condone the destruction of the ship, but not how it happened nor the following podding. The commander should have had a scout on the other side to know LV ships was in bound like any good fleet op. Knowing this and if he did have this in place. His first reaction should have been to tell his scout to talk to the LV or move the fleet out of possible combat knowing DA personnel was hostile to LV. A wise commander should still try to confirm hostility before firing to avoid diplomatic issues. If the alliance has an excellent diplomatic contact team then the alliance could afford the mishaps. If not like most alliances, it is only best to be sure before shooting. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Understand the point of momment situation. A pilot in your fleet is getting engaged in hostile action. What do you do. sit there and watch him and possibly others die or eliminate the threat. It was pushed to far though and IMO IAC should pay in compensations for the lost of pilots. I agree an attempt SHOULD have been made in verbal communication to stop the firing on the spot. The IAC commander instead of engaging should have autowarped the fleet to a safe spot and asked questions to the NAP'd personnel on their attentions and not present a hostile situation. But that can not be fixed. If my fleet was being fired upon I would fire back. But if in the given situation where the point of the first shot was made, only seconds was away from possible forced combat, it can come to a hard decision. Normally safety of YOUR MEN comes first and foremost. Take responsiblity for it later. That is why I condone the destruction of the ship, but not how it happened nor the following podding. The commander should have had a scout on the other side to know LV ships was in bound like any good fleet op. Knowing this and if he did have this in place. His first reaction should have been to tell his scout to talk to the LV or move the fleet out of possible combat knowing DA personnel was hostile to LV. A wise commander should still try to confirm hostility before firing to avoid diplomatic issues. If the alliance has an excellent diplomatic contact team then the alliance could afford the mishaps. If not like most alliances, it is only best to be sure before shooting. No, as IAC made no attempted to get this person standings (and please note this pilot was not a part of IAC), they had no grounds whatsoever. --------
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:28:00 - [40] If my opinion could be taken. I believe this poster is not of the IAC alliance, but a spy working for another alliance which managed to infilitrate their forum and thus the reason why an alt was used. I would look hard at RA or C-C who could only benefit from a possible war between IAC and LV. But the above overall sitiuation still also needs to be looked into and fixed, but also as advice; IAC scrub your forums for spies. I think this is an espionoge attempt by a 3rd part to push LV and IAC towards war. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Del369 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:30:00 - [41] Originally by: Major Tarsis Seen as this is now in the Open can I ask one question to IACs. We jumped into WQH-4K and since my overview was set to exclude friendlies, I didn't notice the LV until someone said said in Vent that there were hostile LV present and I reset my overview. Most of the fleet were still cloaked but a couple of ships including the (or one of the) Deadly Alliance had decloaked and I heard in someone say in Vent that LV were hostile to DA and that the DA pilot had been engaged by the LV pilots. FC gave the order to engage the LV ships (a Zealot, Stilleto and Sacrilige) and they were quickly destroyed. Someone asked about the pods and the order was given to pod them also which happened an instant later. So from the above first post LV engaged a hostile who appeared at the gate in the standard NBSI rules of engagement, and no shouts were given from IACs to LV to disengage their ships your FC just decided to: 1. Open Fire on NAPed pilots without asking for them to disengage. 2. Order his pilots to imediately pod the LV pilots AFTER their ships and thus any danger had been eliminated. 3. Refuse to compensate the LV pilots after the incident? Is this the standard practise of IACs Fleet Commanders and are his actions supported by the Alliance Leadership? personal opinion only and simply put no and i highly doubt it. also from memory the scum sucking alt has left a whole other side off that, the one debating exactly those questions above, making it seem a very one sided affair, when actually its far from it. just my 2c (and last post) I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:34:00 - [42] Originally by: The Enslaver No, as IAC made no attempted to get this person standings, whilst they know that LV is active in catch and operates on NBSI (and please note this pilot was not a part of IAC), they had no grounds whatsoever. Which I agree to Sir that IAC is most at fault for this issue not LV. IAC diplomats are needed to come forward to answer for the issue and in my above posting provide a fix if one is desired. But a reasonable fix should be accepted by LV for issue, which in a way could or should be the replacement of the ships to those pilots and steps taken to make it clear in understand guidelines which both alliances should live by to coexist and more importantly fight enemies that are a constant plague to the stability of the south. I ask LV to be patient for a few days if IAC leadership is willing to work out the details of this situation. I still believe this is a underline attempt by another alliance to have IAC and LV fight. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Burlock Ironfist Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Burlock Ironfist on 19/07/2006 14:41:25 From my understanding of it all i think the worse thing was not that they enguaged each other but A) LV pilots were podded, there was no need for that at all. B) No compensation or appology was ever offered even after LV diplomats contacted IAC. i have paid out of my own wallet when i shot a nutral that ended up being a alt of a friendly main.... i can not see why IAC would not have offerd compensation at all. unless they didnt have theisk and i cant believe that. these things happen but IAC obviously wanted a conflict. "opinions our my own thank you very much"
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Eric carr man, this happens all the time, Still i dont shoot blue :P Remember when we still had + to CC but - to CDC, man it was funny in curse then. You got couht in a CC bubble, CC dident shoot, but suddenly CDC comes out and shoot at you. Eve-politics when best Shoot blue, face the consequence (or how it is spelled...) To be fair. When LV and CC were blue to each other, CC and CDC were shooting each others. When CDC and CC turned blue to each other LV and CC were shooting each other. Originally by: Lord Wimbishi If my opinion could be taken. I believe this poster is not of the IAC alliance, but a spy working for another alliance which managed to infilitrate their forum and thus the reason why an alt was used. I would look hard at RA or C-C who could only benefit from a possible war between IAC and LV. But the above overall sitiuation still also needs to be looked into and fixed, but also as advice; IAC scrub your forums for spies. I think this is an espionoge attempt by a 3rd part to push LV and IAC towards war. LV and IAC are already shooting each other. The OP really isnt acomplishing anything here but posting internal stuff from the IAC boards.
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:48:00 - [45] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 19/07/2006 14:55:33 I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. And about the OP posting internal stuff WITHOUT personnel comments or opinions deduces many things in psycology. One it is aimed to get fires stired and flaired up. One that would NOT benefit IAC in any many. Two without making personnel comment it can be viewed the person also is self concious about his typing ability I.E. Foreigng (RA has been known for this) three Why would you try to ruse out the possibility of this happening if it is probably intended in the first place by C-C or RA? LV probably wouldn't care less and most likely would just chalk it up as one of those 'getting' around to it type of deals when they finish up with RA. IAC on the other hand is under enough duress as an alliance to warrent such a large threat like LV to breath all down at them. It doesn't add up so.. Why would an IAC person flair up LV hositily against his own alliance? highly doubt it unless he is a traitor or a spy. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. This incident took place a week ago. Since there there has been plenty of shooting to go around. No new information has been provided here, and it already seems like this conflict isnt going to end with a simple "im sorry, heres your money back". Its gone beyond just LV since chimp seems involved as well now.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? Max
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:02:00 - [48] And that is not a reason for to try to fix the situation? Why continue to keep the south in more tormoil if another party can benefit from it in the long run or most likely let a smaller entity to bid more time to gain strength against a larger more establish threat. Why else not use two other organizations to fight each other and keep your own hands clean? I see you fighting this quite a bit. Why? This situation can easily be toned down once things are brought into the clear and miscommunication is found out why for and an understanding is reached to fix it between the two alliances. Either has nothing to gain from this, if there was to be a winner and loser it goes without saying who it would be. But in the end that would only weaken a organization that could be used to strengthen the south even more instead of fighting in insurgency like RA has been along with its allies. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Macrobuster	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:04:00 - [49] Bacilius Bottle cleaner Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 72 Location: The Tidemark Posted: 19 Jul 2006 12:52 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought his reply was an even better RP.... Originally by: Bach -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there is no threat then perhaps you'd consider running those war supplies under your own flag? I'm must confess Sir I do not know what an alt is. I can only imagine its some variety of altered humanoid designed by your Sansha masters. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alt is my name, curr, and one you shall do well to not speak again should you wish to continue your ramblings with teeth! Please recommend a more fruitful path when pointing to information boards, for it is a bare and deceiving wasteland when it comes to your own... Take heed, beloved pet of Angels... any preparation for war in Catch has and will be made with scant consideration for the likes of you. Enemies deemed worthy of war declare their intentions in ways you could never afford nor understand. You would do well to retreat to your kennels when the cries of battle reach your mongrel pack. By the looks of it, Bach was rendered speechless And I cant use an Alt, Hello Pot, This is Kettle
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? quite simply I am a concerned resident of the south and once had power and supported the southern coalitions efforts for a stable south. though not as active at the time being physically in game due to my real life operation in support of (Operation Iraqi Freedom) I had to draw back my activity tilll I can employ more time then I was able to here. I still consider myself a support system of the a stabile south ideal. This is why I have involved myself. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
shivan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Galavet I managed to read a couple of sentances of this crap, and the only thing I can gather from it is this: Chowdown is evil, and his men are mean too. Oh and boo-hoo, boo-hoo. I didn't even get that far, so thanx for the summary.
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? quite simply I am a concerned resident of the south and once had power and supported the southern coalitions efforts for a stable south. though not as active at the time being physically in game due to my real life operation in support of (Operation Iraqi Freedom) I had to draw back my activity tilll I can employ more time then I was able to here. I still consider myself a support system of the a stabile south ideal. This is why I have involved myself. Stability is boring, shooty shooty is fun. Support stability in your own region not in the whole south.
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 19/07/2006 15:07:46 Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I will let LV validate that information. From my information last night, having talked with personnel involved and present, They was not firing at each other before this incident. Uneasy at best but not open hostility. Just wondering, but what has this to do with you? quite simply I am a concerned resident of the south and once had power and supported the southern coalitions efforts for a stable south. though not as active at the time being physically in game due to my real life operation in support of (Operation Iraqi Freedom) I had to draw back my activity tilll I can employ more time then I was able to here. I still consider myself a support system of the a stabile south ideal. This is why I have involved myself. Stability is boring, shooty shooty is fun. Support stability in your own region not in the whole south. edit: /me alt tabs away from work...puts his majic forum ***** hat on for today. Hence your comment and the reason before why I believe C-C or RA is behind this post. The event itself is a separate issue used in a primary instance and focal point to rouse hatred for this post which in turn would continue to keep the south unstable, not in IAC or LV alliances favor. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Pegas Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi snip But in the end that would only weaken a organization that could be used to strengthen the south even more instead of fighting in insurgency like RA has been along with its allies. And how 15 apocs and 12 ravens should be helping us? Some of us are evan pleased to not have so much blue arround. Talk time is over. If any IAC director has anything to say about this talk to Enslaver.
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:14:00 - [55] Originally by: The Enslaver How can you condone it? Neutral BS on a gate, no standings - IAC hadn't even bothered asking us to give them standings, this corp hadn't asked for standings themselves - small squad of LV engage this ship (NBSI). Next up, IAC jumps in and opens fire on LV without any warning, including podding the LV members. Grounds for war? Definately. IAC haven't even officially apologised yet... Only read a small portion, but thats exactly how I understand it. IAC screwed up and killed LV pilots that had them blue.
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Hence your comment and the reason before why I believe C-C or RA is behind this post. The event itself is a separate issue used in a primary instance and focal point to rouse hatred for this post which in turn would continue to keep the south unstable, not in IAC or LV alliances favor. Like I explained before. The parties have been shooting at each other for a week and theres no signs of it changing. What has this post acomplished? Knowing Shinra they like the shooty shooty as well, theres no need for posts like this.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Raid Knowing Shinra they like the shooty shooty as well, theres no need for posts like this. Yarr !!! Max
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:22:00 - [58] Now make NPC stations in 0.0 regions conquerable and you'd see some real fun going down as then fights could be forced more by the aggressor.
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Hence your comment and the reason before why I believe C-C or RA is behind this post. The event itself is a separate issue used in a primary instance and focal point to rouse hatred for this post which in turn would continue to keep the south unstable, not in IAC or LV alliances favor. Like I explained before. The parties have been shooting at each other for a week and theres no signs of it changing. What has this post acomplished? Knowing Shinra they like the shooty shooty as well, theres no need for posts like this. Which also if people had dealt with them in the past on. is normal RA posting behavior. To rouse hate. But there isn't any conclusive evidence of this at this time. But Even a few weeks of war and a settlement reach is better then a war that lasts months and months which strains resources of an alliance, even one as strong as LV. Anyways I had posted and made my points to the entire affair. It all boils down to the leadership and their willpower, if any to settle the issue so each of their alliances can focus on threats that are most likely more beligerant then a brush fire incident that just happen to spin out of control. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi But Even a few weeks of war and a settlement reach is better then a war that lasts months and months which strains resources of an alliance, even one as strong as LV. Life out here can be simplified: EVE = Shooty Shooty > Walky Talky A month of fun fighting is a heck of a lot better than two weeks and some rat hunting/mining. You wont find this view uncommon among most people in the south.
Lord Cyric Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:34:00 - [61] My personal view is that the real plot behind all this goes much deeper than anyone has realized. LV pilots have become mesmerized by the arkanor, and this has forced upon them a righteous journey to insure the coalition controls all arkanor in the known universe. Thus allowing them to manipulate and control the megacyte market on their whim, a noble goal. Through LV's elaborate spy and intelligence network it was discovered that IAC had secured rights on a previously unknown arkanor find and hence IAC must now must fall or at the very least relocate themselves to a bistot dig. The catalyst that sparked hostilities is irrelevant, altho I am a bit surprised they didn't use the old hauler filled with megacyte/zydrine. IAC has seen through LV's plans and are even now attempting to stop their quest, the stockpiles of megacyte continue to grow in LV secured hangars...the market will be thrown into turmoil, hac prices will rise! Or maybe not...but it could be.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:38:00 - [62] No Repayment for Damages. No Apology... Remember this in a few weeks time.
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:40:00 - [63] Edited by: Drilla on 19/07/2006 16:41:27 To sum up people (like me) who cant be bothered to read all the spam: - LV engaged a neutral pilot (that was in a gang with IAC but NOT together with the IAC gang when being engaged by LV). - LV never agressed IAC. - IAC made NO attempt to have the neutral entity set to positive standings. - IAC made NO effort to avoid the engagement - IAC jumped into the system and kille + podded 3 pilots from a blue entity (LV). - IAC acted completely moronic when contacted by LV diplomats who were trying to resolve the issue. - LV responded to the arrogance and idiocy of IAC by the only plausible way - with guns blazing. There - it's summed up, those are facts - disputing the above is futile. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
SengH Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Lord Cyric My personal view is that the real plot behind all this goes much deeper than anyone has realized. LV pilots have become mesmerized by the arkanor, and this has forced upon them a righteous journey to insure the coalition controls all arkanor in the known universe. Thus allowing them to manipulate and control the megacyte market on their whim, a noble goal. Through LV's elaborate spy and intelligence network it was discovered that IAC had secured rights on a previously unknown arkanor find and hence IAC must now must fall or at the very least relocate themselves to a bistot dig. The catalyst that sparked hostilities is irrelevant, altho I am a bit surprised they didn't use the old hauler filled with megacyte/zydrine. IAC has seen through LV's plans and are even now attempting to stop their quest, the stockpiles of megacyte continue to grow in LV secured hangars...the market will be thrown into turmoil, hac prices will rise! Or maybe not...but it could be. Its been done before .. not with zyd and mega but with mercx. A consortium of ppl with too much isk to spend pulled it off a year and a half back(around FOE's prime time). The cleaned out every single bit of mercx/morph off the market and shot the price up to 55k-60k a unit for 2-3 months.
Silvestri	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:47:00 - [65] well, I probably shouldn't be the one doing this or opening my mouth as I'm new. And no I'm not going to post out of IAC forums. That was dumb IMO. Man, I just want to say that IAC and RA....doubtful that will happen. I mean ally up. Alot of you are right....we have respect for LV and they're accomplishments. To bad nobody higher up in IAC saw this post. We don't come off looking to good by what people posted. It was just a HUGE misunderstanding. From what I know diplomacy was tried...outcome I have no idea. From all I heard and gather and I wasn't there....sorry for podding. It shouldn't have gone that far after the ships....it seems to be a heat of the moment mishap that hopefully the higher ups of IAC and LV can work out later....or sooner.
tigress Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:03:00 - [66] Greetings, As I return from vacation stuff always seem to go down "south" so to speak. Anyways, the parties needing to know anything about the LV incident does know about it, end of discussion. The fact that CC pokes every chance of doing "damage" in the forums to me is very much a pointer to how things are going ingame for them. (couldn't resist that one). tigress Vice president IAC
Something Random Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:27:00 - [67] There wasnt actually any recognition on the vent conversation about it being a DA pilot that got engaged, Fleet was moving and fast - there were about 5 seconds of evaluation time - a call was made. Here we are. Personally im disappointed by the seemingly 5 minutes of Diplomacy that took place in the aftermath - but what does a soldier know of politics. I liked LV - landed a few times in there bubbles with never a lock let alone a scratch. Shame, but all must now be dealt with. Although im still hoping places will be set at a diplomatic table somewhere. Everyone else enjoy - and stay the hell out of our private forums !!!! Random.
theannihilatorof doom	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:47:00 - [68] Originally by: Drilla Edited by: Drilla on 19/07/2006 16:41:27 To sum up people (like me) who cant be bothered to read all the spam: - LV engaged a neutral pilot (that was in a gang with IAC but NOT together with the IAC gang when being engaged by LV). - LV never agressed IAC. - IAC made NO attempt to have the neutral entity set to positive standings. - IAC made NO effort to avoid the engagement - IAC jumped into the system and kille + podded 3 pilots from a blue entity (LV). - IAC acted completely moronic when contacted by LV diplomats who were trying to resolve the issue. - LV responded to the arrogance and idiocy of IAC by the only plausible way - with guns blazing. There - it's summed up, those are facts - disputing the above is futile. iac diplomats contacted lv offered to reimburse and were basically left to wait while an "lv vote " was taken for two days iac pilots were instructed not to fire on any lv in empire or 0.0 unless fired upon first while we waited for the results of said vote... ie the vote to cancel the war... they had 2 days of free gankings while we tried diplomacy, does this sound like the acts of an alliance that WANT a war with lv? no they are not.. we have been told by lv themselves they war iac because we are "a soft target" and there "current pvp has gone stale" you post how iac disprespect you and so on but no one makes note that lv are wanting a war this is not about any incident you just want more targets if you truly want peace then let us know the result of this fabled vote otherwise stop with the iac bashing on the forums... also i do agree the fleet that engaged your ships was very very wrong there attempts at diplomacy at the time was pathetic but then so is war dec`ing after loosing two or three ships...
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2006.07.19 18:49:00 - [69] One says reimbursement was offered, the other says it wasn't. Clearly someone is lying, either parties care to prove which one is?
Tao Han Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 18:50:00 - [70] Less yappin more zappin...
Smith Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:01:00 - [71] Posts like this are rubbish and boring. I want Pictures god damn it PICTURES!!!!
krissi79	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:11:00 - [72] well lets say **** happens , mistakes where made lets have fun
Palitir Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:53:00 - [73] Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:55 Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:29 - Offers to LV were made by diplomats and sanctioned by the IAC directors. - LV Asked for a day or two to consider the offer to cancel the war. - I havent heard anything after that. Spelling Edits >_< ========================= Sponsored to bring you grief by the Bounty Channel. <t20\|Home> i'll TEABAG EM
Elve Sorrow Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 20:47:00 - [74] Was that before or after the diplomat we contacted for reimbursed logged off while still in the convo with our director? Right.
Crellion	Posted - 2006.07.19 20:47:00 - [75] Edited by: Crellion on 19/07/2006 20:49:21 I donr know uf the info the alties gave us reliable. If it is IAC FC was lameass. There is an incident where frindlies shoot at your frig scout and you feel the need to destroy their 2 HACs and a stilletto AFTER you have allready been told on TS that the scout was KOS to them???? Lol IF* the info is correct the man in charge was either sombody rly desperate to get theri first HAC killmail of the year or a godd commander on a veeeeery bad eve-moment. Why no immediate apology and refund? Lol sorry for the terrible spelling very dark room
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:04:00 - [76] Heresay, conjecture, speculation, and claims shrouded within lopsided versions of the truth - and top it all off with an apparent "spy" within the ranks of IAC. This is either a very well-thought out attempt at a coup d'etat in action, or a gross misunderstanding feeding RIGHT into either a planned or welcomed war dec. Seems to me that no matter what way you look at it, this plays right into LV's hands, and doesn't benefit IAC in the least... which would lead me to believe that all these claims that IAC did not offer any compensation, apologies, or diplomatic attempts at resolution are a big bunch of BS. That being said, I don't know if anyone other than the parties directly involved will ever know the whole or real truth. Even those within the alliances don't have the whole story. This sounds like it's only going to get uglier. /me gets the popcorn
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:05:00 - [77] Originally by: Palitir Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:55 Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:29 - Offers to LV were made by diplomats and sanctioned by the IAC directors. - LV Asked for a day or two to consider the offer to cancel the war. - I havent heard anything after that. Spelling Edits >_< So you offered compensation AFTER we declared war? You realize that, at that point it wasnt only about compensation but the utter disrespect of the IAC directorship/leadership/FC/whatever that just laughed in our face and closed the convo/logged off? Reap it! Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:06:00 - [78] In regards to 'whom to belive' - start with ignoreing alts. My factsheet has only been disputed by an alt .... Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Palitir Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:07:00 - [79] Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 21:10:20 Originally by: Elve Sorrow Was that before or after the diplomat we contacted for reimbursed logged off while still in the convo with our director? Right. The offer was made to LV, and we were given a time that they would consider the offer for. I have no idea if this was before or after (i've sent you a mail for that information) but the offer was made, and we were told to wait for an answer to that. After this, I havent heard anything. --=-=-=-=- EDIt Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Palitir Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:55 Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:29 - Offers to LV were made by diplomats and sanctioned by the IAC directors. - LV Asked for a day or two to consider the offer to cancel the war. - I havent heard anything after that. Spelling Edits >_< So you offered compensation AFTER we declared war? You realize that, at that point it wasnt only about compensation but the utter disrespect of the IAC directorship/leadership/FC/whatever that just laughed in our face and closed the convo/logged off? Reap it! Yes, I agree that the situation and what happened at that time was disrespectful. BUT, the diplomatic channels were opened once someone was able to. An offer was put forward. ========================= Sponsored to bring you grief by the Bounty Channel. <t20\|Home> i'll TEABAG EM
DHB FooFighter	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:59:00 - [80] before this scuffle between IAC and LV had happened, LV forces entered the JZV area and along with CC (who they were currently at war with, bet that messed up some overviews :P) camped the G-7 system in "support" of the angel cartel in reaction against our takedown the the Angel POS. The reports of LV helping CC (killmails to prove it) made many of our pilots edgy towards LV, i believe this greatly affected our FC when he made the decision to shoot the LV. Again mistakes have been made, but i personally believe ( /me puts on his tinfoil hat) that LV have been looking for a reason to engage IAC in order to more fully support the Angel Cartel. these are my opinions and do not reflct those of IAC or its leaders.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.19 22:56:00 - [81] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 19/07/2006 23:00:23 groan Who. The. Hell. CARES? Someone shot someone. Whee, we're at war. Whee, we're gonna deal with it. Whee, people will lose ships. Seriously. It's a run-of-the-mill diplomatic incident that happened because two allies were in the same group and unfortunately did not really share their enemies. So what, this is like the gazillionth time this happens in EVE, the most common casus belli right after the oft-overlooked "YOU DISSED MY MAMA". Some people are probably having kittens about the whole thing, but I for one couldn't care less. It's just a problem to deal with, and it's a straightforward one at that. Get over yourself. ---- Nothing I ever say is official
Heikki Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.19 23:41:00 - [82] Originally by: Raem Civrie Who. The. Hell. CARES? Perhaps those parties who have diplomatic relations with IAC, or who might have those in the future? And drama is always good, makes our universe feel more lively.. -Lasse
Randay	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:40:00 - [83] cliff notes please. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:26:00 - [84] Edited by: n sx on 20/07/2006 01:30:10 Hello to all, I usually keep my nose off the forums as far as making posts go, but sadly I have been near sickened with what has happened here over the last few weeks. As far as I am concerned it is the RP/Factional warfare that 'started' all this and will most likely cause waves with all other areas of space that it moves to. Obviously IAC took out a Angel POS whom with LV and CC are sided with. As a result there was a incident when CC and LV (while at war) came and shot some IAC pilots to retalliate on behalf of Angel Cartel. This is all fair enough, but the results for the general populus, this gets confusing. So in summary LV's shooting blue, sided with red in the name of roleplaying. IAC alliance leaders all agree this is the case. Shortly after a fleet commander makes an erroneous judgement call later that week when LV engages a member of his gang - only to find out that wasn't an IAC pilot. All sorts of diplomatic chat ensue, a comedy of errors, a political nightmare and complete clusterBEEP. I do blame IAC for poor dealings of the situation and we're re-sorting alliance leadership roles as a result. So, now as Raem has said, we're at war - that is something that needs to be dealt with as it comes and of course, some members of the alliance have their concerns and others are rather excited. So far its been fun (though we're yet to have a big engagement) and a refreshing change from fighting the Cloaked Coalition. That's about as simple as it gets. -- On a personal note, I would like to apologise on behalf of the IAC alliance to LV for the clusterBEEP and look forward to the future, whatever it may hold :). To the person that posted alliance mails and threads from our forums, you simply need to ship out, you are a disgrace to whomever you fly for, and with whom you agenda is aligned. Very little of what you have posted is 'solid' information and rather just member banter, but ultimately, you need to grow a pair. -n sx
Bacilius The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:31:00 - [85] Originally by: Macrobuster Bacilius Bottle cleaner Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 72 Location: The Tidemark Posted: 19 Jul 2006 12:52 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought his reply was an even better RP.... Alt is my name, curr, and one you shall do well to not speak again should you wish to continue your ramblings with teeth! Please recommend a more fruitful path when pointing to information boards, for it is a bare and deceiving wasteland when it comes to your own... Take heed, beloved pet of Angels... any preparation for war in Catch has and will be made with scant consideration for the likes of you. Enemies deemed worthy of war declare their intentions in ways you could never afford nor understand. You would do well to retreat to your kennels when the cries of battle reach your mongrel pack. By the looks of it, Bach was rendered speechless And I cant use an Alt, Hello Pot, This is Kettle Since you so proudly have access to our private forums, you'll notice that this link was posted to laugh at CC get Roleplay PWND by an ALT, and although noone has claimed responsibility internally, most of us agree it was most likely an IAC member. I think the point you miss, dear Macro, is the difference between a faceless roleplayer pointing out the comedy of an isolated post, and the verbatim publication of selected internal forum posts to propagate war. Please, post away, but understand that your attempt at mischief through anonymity is pointless and your faceless attacks in this information war will be met with the same resolution and eventual mirth as the cloaked ganks you resort to in-game. You are simply no longer a threat, influence or cause for concern for Southern residents and whatever credibility you once had left on the last hauler north with your more able allies, the CDC. In case anyone is in doubt btw, let's take a look at this thread alone - First 14 posts - published IAC forum discussions by faceless entities, then... Post 18 - Raid (Curse Coalition) Originally by: Raid I wont lie though.... im enjoying this. Post 32 - Raid (Curse Coalition) Originally by: Raid Naps in the south = boring More people need to shooty shooty each other, we cant all be mining veld! The recent agressions here have been fun for everyone involved (well except that time lv took a fleet into g-7 and got nothing even though IAC was ready to fight). Lets the shoosting begin! Post 45 - Raid (Curse Coalition) Post 47 - Raid (Curse Coalition) Originally by: Raid This incident took place a week ago. Since there there has been plenty of shooting to go around. No new information has been provided here, and it already seems like this conflict isnt going to end with a simple "im sorry, heres your money back". Its gone beyond just LV since chimp seems involved as well now. Post 53 - Raid (Curse Coalition) Originally by: Raid Stability is boring, shooty shooty is fun. Support stability in your own region not in the whole south. Post 57 - Raid (Curse Coalition) Post 61 - Raid (Curse Coalition) Post 65 - Raid (Curse Coalition) etc... etc.. etc... Is anyone in any doubt as to the who stands to gain from this war and where the source of this underhanded behaviour stems from? To LV I say this.. mistakes and bad decisions are part of combat and diplomacy, and have been made by both sides in abundance in recent times. I sincerely hope a resolution can be found diplomatically, however I wish you a good fight if not, and equally look forward to both. I am sure you will make a valid opponent and feel confident IAC will do the same. Please feel free to ignore the cloakers on your way in... These are my views only but probably represent the majority of the Alliance, even though it goes against IAC policy on forum posts.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:33:00 - [86] Originally by: Galavet I managed to read a couple of sentances of this crap... You made it much further than I. Sig must be under 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected])
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 03:11:00 - [87] Bacilius I am glad someone is at least seeing my point now about this post. I also would like to present the thought of both alliances LV and IAC's return to the diplomatic table to restore standings. To settle the issues one would ask. What would LV settle with in recompensation if IAC does and at one point seemingly did offer. If the claim was valid on the offer, why would it be to late to still accept it instead of continuing a war between these two alliances. Every alliance has their gung-ho types and love nothing better then to bathe in blood of their enemies. But this types are not the ones that should be calling the shots nor should influence them if they are not in the leadership chain for decision making to which the lives of everyone in their respective alliances could be changed. I am quite sure both alliances have their wiser more cooler heads to prevail the situation based on the evidence on this board at a VERY MINIMUM, not taking away from other sources that could be tapped on. So I ask.. why would it be to late to fix this now and put it behind us so we can get back onto the agendas each respective alliance was once on. Surely a few weeks delay in these agendas is much better then months and months of war over a small issue like this. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 03:16:00 - [88] Originally by: Bacilius Raid stole my cookie Read the whole thread dude. Your not the first one to point the finger in this direction and like i said over and over again whats the point of this thread? It isnt going to change anything! Your already knee deep in a war with LV which now involves CHIMP and it would see V as well. Im not new to this game dude, i already know your engaged in this war.. all this thread will acccomplish is give more room to discuss what went "wrong" between you two. A simple "im sorry, heres your money" isnt going to fix it at this point. Just so we're clear on all this, let me repeat what i said earlier. Shooty Shooty > Walky Talky and knowing Shinra, Shooty Shooty is what your going to get. So get off it dude... your responsible for creating your own standings mess not me. I just happen to enjoy a good show.
R3dSh1ft Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.20 03:17:00 - [89] Pfft if you think thats bad you should read the spam ppl send in corp... I love my corp :) ______________________________________
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 03:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Bacilius Raid stole my cookie Read the whole thread dude. Your not the first one to point the finger in this direction and like i said over and over again whats the point of this thread? It isnt going to change anything! Your already knee deep in a war with LV which now involves CHIMP and it would see V as well. Im not new to this game dude, i already know your engaged in this war.. all this thread will acccomplish is give more room to discuss what went "wrong" between you two. A simple "im sorry, heres your money" isnt going to fix it at this point. Just so we're clear on all this, let me repeat what i said earlier. Shooty Shooty > Walky Talky and knowing Shinra, Shooty Shooty is what your going to get. So get off it dude... your responsible for creating your own standings mess not me. I just happen to enjoy a good show. to make it more clear to us. I've been asked this same question, and you've been involved with this post quite a bit as well. Why does it interest you so much to continue egging it on. You say you just enjoy a good show, yet all you've been doing is getting involve and trying to stir the pot even more. If you want to enjoy the show, why are you talking so much in effort to keep things at war? I don't know a lot of IAC high level personnel but I do know quite a few LV officials to the ones that really do make the decisions. LV's personnel on that level are intelligent and normally pursue information and options to a good degree. If my confidence in their leadership ability isn't misplaced and given more information and efforts with all direct parties. this situation could be cut back quite a bit. Involving CHIMP in this for the RMN affair which in turn could have been aggravated by the same damn issue this event is surrounding could also likewise be resolved, but albet differently because it involves a whole different event but still involves IAC. The issue with the RMN is one as could be seen from the information and evidence presented on the forums as unfortunate and untimely as one could be to aggravate entire scenario more. Event still things can be settled if the leaders come to the fore and try to work the issues out. First things first is the settlement of this issue which no doubt fueled or instigated the issue between CHIMP and RMN (IAC) "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Ender Fal Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 04:42:00 - [91] Why are we still talking about this? Yes, stupid crap happened. We've obviously moved past caring about who's fault it is and who will benefit from it. I personally don't care. What do I care about? War. We're at war. I'm going to fight whoever my command tells me too. And I just want to ask one thing from everyone, including IAC, LV, CHIMP and everyone else involved and not involved: Have you ever been in a fleet en route to an organized engagement, with the possibility of encountering hostiles, and ran into a situation like the one that occured? If you haven't I'm sure you can imagine it. And with the already escalated tensions that IAC felt for LV, it was no wonder that no one asked the LV gang to hold fire. Your heartbeats faster, you get anxious; you're in COMBAT. I'm sorry that not all of our combat pilots are experienced diplomats with the ability to assess a situation while it happens. When you're geared up for fighting, and theres someone shooting at you gang, you shoot back! I would be guilty of it too if I were in that gang! So let the diplomats sit at their table. Let the fights happen, the large gangs, the cloaked coalitions roam, and Capital fleets. It's war, and it will be war. No worrying about why it is, just fight. Good luck guys, and I look forward to some good fights. LV have always been known for their skill in the field. We've exhausted CC, now it's time for the next test. *My posts reflect only my own opinion. I do not in anyway represent anyone other than myself.*
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 04:47:00 - [92] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 20/07/2006 04:53:24 Dude think about your alliance. IAC can't win this conflict with LV and the allies they have. Defiance is a good trait for a warrior, but to much of it will lead to fault. I was questioned why I condoned the FC's decision to fire back during the instance, though it could have be avoided, still doesn't change the fact their could have been steps taken to avoid the scenario, I am sure he and his pilots learned from it. The podding was the step over the line though. All this was said already so I am sorry for reiterating it. If a soldiers loyalty is to his king, country or group, the survival of that group is what he should be fighting for. In or out of combat, that is what a warrior fights for and does so with conviction. You don't always have to use your weapons to fight a war sir. A wise warrior learns to employ other methods to win wars and battles, and more so before they can start if it can save his king and country from being destroyed. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Zedic Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 05:06:00 - [93] pew pew pew :)
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 05:55:00 - [94] Originally by: Ender Fal We've exhausted CC You'll find a year from now we will still be here... will you?
ZaKma Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.20 06:19:00 - [95] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi blah blah blah How about you stop sticking your nose into things that don't concern you. --- This post represents my personal opinion, and in no way my alliance or corporation. I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
UndergrounD Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 07:22:00 - [96] I cry -----------------------------------------------
Del369 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 08:26:00 - [97] Edited by: Del369 on 20/07/2006 08:27:14 Originally by: ZaKma Originally by: Lord Wimbishi blah blah blah How about you stop sticking your nose into things that don't concern you. I'd apply that more to the reps of the Cloaked Coalition tbh, telling us what will and won't fix a problem that is about as much of their business as the contents of a secure forum they wouldn't normally have access to for the rest N SX and Bacillus sum it all up from an IAC pov very well. I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Wrok Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 08:37:00 - [98] 1st off the alt is well ?G*y to say the least...2ndly did'nt expect the drama down in the south hopefully everything works out...lots of people shootinga t each other...going to cause bigger problems lets all be friends... YEA RIGHT...Gl to LV.and IAC... but hopefully nebba use's his mafia man lvl 5 skills...
Xaarist FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.20 08:51:00 - [99] although i think posting internal stuff on eve-o is lame, i wouldn't want to miss some of the hilarious "facts" and "opinions" inside of it. can we agree to send it to me via eve mail next time? ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD...
Burlock Ironfist Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.20 08:59:00 - [100] Originally by: Ender Fal And with the already escalated tensions that IAC felt for LV, it was no wonder that no one asked the LV gang to hold fire. Your heartbeats faster, you get anxious; you're in COMBAT. lol you havent been around LV much have you.... we dont have hearts Originally by: Zedic pew pew pew :) QFT - This man speeks the way of the Shinra well Originally by: ZaKma Originally by: Lord Wimbishi blah blah blah How about you stop sticking your nose into things that don't concern you. agreed this should be between IAC and LV other oppionions and views mean nothing. "opinions our my own thank you very much"
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.20 09:53:00 - [101] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Ender Fal We've exhausted CC You'll find a year from now we will still be here... will you? Raid, you may find this a good show, and to be honest, if it was on the other foot I too would be laughing at CC. This however is the reality you need to swallow. Curse Coalition, no matter what you say is a fly on the wall for IAC. You are and never were a threat, merely a speedbump. You live in non-conquerable stations with nothing to lose and your recent recruitment has merely made you a larger speed bump, but absolutely no more. The reality for IAC is we are now acknowledging that we have a formidible enemy in LV and it's followers. This is the challenge we face and we thank CC for the training up until now. CC can now all look forward to watching the 'big show' from your cloaked positions around every gate and belt in our constellation.
magickangaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.20 09:56:00 - [102] not a big fan of firing on blues tbh. i always deam such things as cowardly and thou it mayhave been in this case inexperince and panic combined. mgk ps u should really replace the ships destroyed when lv showed u as blue tbh, regardless of your war with them. its an honour thing. (GAL11) Brigadier General yay
Jouni Kalmar Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.20 12:54:00 - [103] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Ender Fal We've exhausted CC You'll find a year from now we will still be here... will you? yes, and chances are you'll STILL be cloaked :P
Raid Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:29:00 - [104] Originally by: n sx CC can now all look forward to watching the 'big show' from your cloaked positions around every gate and belt in our constellation. What big show? You mean that time they came down with 50 ships and you had enough to make it a fight but you did nothing? Or that time you went into Phantom Squad territory and got blown up? Your also right... we will be around every gate and asteroid belt in your constellation. Enjoy
Del369 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 14:52:00 - [105] Originally by: Raid Originally by: n sx CC can now all look forward to watching the 'big show' from your cloaked positions around every gate and belt in our constellation. What big show? You mean that time they came down with 50 ships and you had enough to make it a fight but you did nothing? Or that time you went into Phantom Squad territory and got blown up? Your also right... we will be around every gate and asteroid belt in your constellation. Enjoy aye in ever cheaper ships, hows those stealth bombers faring up there raid ? can you stick cloaking devices on shuttles yet ? I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Bach Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 14:53:00 - [106] Originally by: n sx Originally by: Raid Originally by: Ender Fal We've exhausted CC You'll find a year from now we will still be here... will you? Curse Coalition, no matter what you say is a fly on the wall for IAC. You are and never were a threat, merely a speedbump. You live in non-conquerable stations with nothing to lose and your recent recruitment has merely made you a larger speed bump, but absolutely no more. The reality for IAC is we are now acknowledging that we have a formidible enemy in LV and it's followers. This is the challenge we face and we thank CC for the training up until now. As far as a fly on the wall goes things are quite mutual. A stalemate more or less. We may be the fly on your wall but your also the fly on ours. Blob for blob its all the same. Your blob occasionally visits Curse and those that happen to be there withdraw into NPC stations you can't hurt. Our blobs show up to G-7 and those IAC that happen to be there retreat into your Outpost that we can't hurt. Stalemate, no more no less. To insinuate your in any greater position of advantage than CC is rediculous. As for acknowledgement of a formidable enemy? All your really acknowledging is an enemy that can actually take that big fixed fortification of an outpost you have in G-7. I would agree. I'll be thats got you all very concerned.
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 17:03:00 - [107] Originally by: ZaKma Originally by: Lord Wimbishi blah blah blah How about you stop sticking your nose into things that don't concern you. Please sir do not try to edit something as if I said it. I never noted that blah comment. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
MadGaz Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.07.20 21:56:00 - [108] Edited by: MadGaz on 20/07/2006 21:56:56 Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: ZaKma Originally by: Lord Wimbishi blah blah blah How about you stop sticking your nose into things that don't concern you. Please sir do not try to edit something as if I said it. I never noted that blah comment. You might aswell have*. --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned?
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.20 22:28:00 - [109] Originally by: Jouni Kalmar Originally by: Raid Originally by: Ender Fal We've exhausted CC You'll find a year from now we will still be here... will you? yes, and chances are you'll STILL be cloaked :P Hi Jouni o/ MT
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 22:39:00 - [110] Originally by: Bach As for acknowledgement of a formidable enemy? All your really acknowledging is an enemy that can actually take that big fixed fortification of an outpost you have in G-7. I would agree. I'll be thats got you all very concerned. Some of IAC might be, most are not I think. The impression I get is more like "ooh this could get interesting", personally I believe LV would have little trouble taking our outpost, but they'd have a great deal of difficulty keeping it. IAC isn't Tribal Souls, and Catch is a lot easier to fight for. So as long as IAC doesn't lose all morale and disintegrate under the pressure fighting LV and whoever wants to tag along will be an excellent (expensive) learning experience for us as an alliance. If we end up still having our outpost, or they have it and we move off somewhere else, i think IAC will be stronger for it. http://eve.klaki.net/
Chowdown Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.20 23:38:00 - [111] Not going to happen
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.21 00:14:00 - [112] I'll take your word for it. I don't really know what exactly the relationship of LV to CC is. http://eve.klaki.net/
Bach Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 00:56:00 - [113] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I'll take your word for it. I don't really know what exactly the relationship of LV to CC is. Hehe been trying to figure that out myself. Near as I can tell the relationship with CC and LV and so bad but the relation between Tyrell and Shinra sucks
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.21 01:17:00 - [114] Originally by: Bach As far as a fly on the wall goes things are quite mutual. A stalemate more or less. We may be the fly on your wall but your also the fly on ours. Blob for blob its all the same. Your blob occasionally visits Curse and those that happen to be there withdraw into NPC stations you can't hurt. Our blobs show up to G-7 and those IAC that happen to be there retreat into your Outpost that we can't hurt. Stalemate, no more no less. To insinuate your in any greater position of advantage than CC is rediculous. As for acknowledgement of a formidable enemy? All your really acknowledging is an enemy that can actually take that big fixed fortification of an outpost you have in G-7. I would agree. I'll be thats got you all very concerned. I never insinuated IAC was every any better, bigger, stronger or more effective than CC. I merely implied that your guerilla tactics are no threat to our bigger picture. We, as you know are no real threat to you as you lack tangible assets and both our timezones of larger force is somewhat mismatched. We have mobilised only once against you in a 2 day siege and the height of your defense was a cov ops and a couple of haulers. Our conflict is as you say somewhat of a stalemate and one of no real consequence. I have spoken with your pilots, and it seems unanimous that our conflict is merely there for entertainment value and it for this reason the constant harping on about supremecy I read (particularly in the RP threads) is regarded as dribble. I do however conceed that given IAC has not just got PVP pilots, the entertainment value for your alliance is higher, and thus the attraction. What Tyrrax is saying is pretty much spot on. We don't know what the future will hold given new hostilies with a force we regard as 'dangerous' however we will at least come to the party, and be stronger for it.
Jouni Kalmar Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 08:29:00 - [115] Originally by: Major Tarsis Originally by: Jouni Kalmar Originally by: Raid Originally by: Ender Fal We've exhausted CC You'll find a year from now we will still be here... will you? yes, and chances are you'll STILL be cloaked :P Hi Jouni o/ Hey sugar i've missed you and the shinra antics :( Atleast Chowdowns looking as hot as ever! :D Quick! hijack the thread before it spirals out of control into the land of nonsense.... oh wait... its there already :P
Cell Satimo Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.21 08:51:00 - [116] Re-posting private conversations, internal forums etc. is lame. Doing it with an alt is even more lame. Wasting eve-community members time by failing to provide an executive summary is the ultimate lame. Please desist, and re-post an executive summary. Eve Web-Ring Your guide to all sites In-Game and Out. Works in IGB
Zybs	Posted - 2006.07.21 10:47:00 - [117] Im surprised he even bothered to copy-paste that much :) Must have a serious lack of entertainment from the game ingame when he's doing this :)
Beyond Horizon REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:25:00 - [118] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 20/07/2006 04:53:24 A wise warrior learns to employ other methods to win wars and battles... For example using a dagger to backstab your ally and joining with the opposite party because you think they are on the winning side, after that telling lies how "unfriendly" was the old ally? Sure, you know much about this stuff I guess :D
Uther Doull Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:29:00 - [119] Hi BH!
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:37:00 - [120] Hi BH. Did you have a Lie in this morning? MT
Pearl Charaxes Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:52:00 - [121] To further clearefy IAC's actions. LV and their allies, called a truce with our enemies to come and camp our home in Catch. This was not looked well upon. Several days later, this IAC fleet was travelling along the systems where they met the LV squad. 30 IAC pilots and the one DA guy jumped into the system where the LV was. Doesn't take a genious to figure out that he was a part of the fleet. We observed LV at the gate and people started questioning what they were doing, - for one expected they would agress us, or run, which ever, since they were a few days earlier in our space, killing our pilots. Ships started decloaking, he was one of the first ones to decloak. Fire was reported on voicecomms, order was given to whipe out the agressors. Since LV was seen as hostile at the point the decision to pod them as well was decided. During the short 'diplomatic' conversations after the skirmish LV focused entirly on their right to engage a neutral and completly ignoring that there was a big iac fleet which he was travelling with. Aswell as they completly ignored that we would be on our toes around LV or even expecting an attack. Even if podding these pilots might've been wrong they were clearly engaging an IAC fleet and not an induvidual.
Burlock Ironfist Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:39:00 - [122] Originally by: Pearl Charaxes To further clearefy IAC's actions. LV and their allies, called a truce with our enemies to come and camp our home in Catch. This was not looked well upon. Several days later, this IAC fleet was travelling along the systems where they met the LV squad. 30 IAC pilots and the one DA guy jumped into the system where the LV was. Doesn't take a genious to figure out that he was a part of the fleet. We observed LV at the gate and people started questioning what they were doing, - for one expected they would agress us, or run, which ever, since they were a few days earlier in our space, killing our pilots. Ships started decloaking, he was one of the first ones to decloak. Fire was reported on voicecomms, order was given to whipe out the agressors. Since LV was seen as hostile at the point the decision to pod them as well was decided. During the short 'diplomatic' conversations after the skirmish LV focused entirly on their right to engage a neutral and completly ignoring that there was a big iac fleet which he was travelling with. Aswell as they completly ignored that we would be on our toes around LV or even expecting an attack. Even if podding these pilots might've been wrong they were clearly engaging an IAC fleet and not an induvidual. one point who cares any more... let this thread die. and lets get shooty shooty "opinions our my own thank you very much"
Lord Wimbishi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:31:00 - [123] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 20/07/2006 04:53:24 A wise warrior learns to employ other methods to win wars and battles... For example using a dagger to backstab your ally and joining with the opposite party because you think they are on the winning side, after that telling lies how "unfriendly" was the old ally? Sure, you know much about this stuff I guess :D You have such a child like mind BH. There is enough evidence to show RA was abusive, neglagent, insulting and beligerant through the entire time Ghost was trying to help RA. Enough was enough. We left RA to fend for itself and it was the misconstrude concepts a tiny few people like yourself that try to use in ploy to say RA was in the right to kick a friendly alliance out of stations. fire on them and instult them for an entire week. There was no move to join the South coalition till AFTER this treatment. But you have been known to NEVER have your facts straight as a diplomat which equals an ineffective ability for diplomacy and more importantly honor and respect. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Panta Rei Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:38:00 - [124] Edited by: Panta Rei on 22/07/2006 15:39:42 Originally by: Pearl Charaxes LV focused entirly on their right to engage a neutral and completly ignoring that there was a big iac fleet which he was travelling with. Although I have nothing to do with this I must say that it may not have been that obvious that he was traveling with the fleet. For all they know he was forced through by the fleet. And he was reportedly one of the first to decloak, which fits the scenario. From LV's point of view, in retrospect, it can even seem like he was used as bait. Just wanted to point that out.
Cicilus Hadrican Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:10:00 - [125] Originally by: Panta Rei Edited by: Panta Rei on 22/07/2006 15:39:42 Originally by: Pearl Charaxes LV focused entirly on their right to engage a neutral and completly ignoring that there was a big iac fleet which he was travelling with. Although I have nothing to do with this I must say that it may not have been that obvious that he was traveling with the fleet. For all they know he was forced through by the fleet. And he was reportedly one of the first to decloak, which fits the scenario. From LV's point of view, in retrospect, it can even seem like he was used as bait. Just wanted to point that out. Nope, I cant argue with that point of veiw either. What happened, happened, and we are fighting each other plain and simple :) One day we may NAP again, but I think LV is currently having fun with the boosted target count. GF's so far LV bows to LV look forward to more engagements in the future as well ]

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