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Lord Cyric
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:34:00 -
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My personal view is that the real plot behind all this goes much deeper than anyone has realized. LV pilots have become mesmerized by the arkanor, and this has forced upon them a righteous journey to insure the coalition controls all arkanor in the known universe. Thus allowing them to manipulate and control the megacyte market on their whim, a noble goal. Through LV's elaborate spy and intelligence network it was discovered that IAC had secured rights on a previously unknown arkanor find and hence IAC must now must fall or at the very least relocate themselves to a bistot dig. The catalyst that sparked hostilities is irrelevant, altho I am a bit surprised they didn't use the old hauler filled with megacyte/zydrine.
IAC has seen through LV's plans and are even now attempting to stop their quest, the stockpiles of megacyte continue to grow in LV secured hangars...the market will be thrown into turmoil, hac prices will rise! Or maybe not...but it could be.
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:38:00 -
[62]
No Repayment for Damages.
No Apology...
Remember this in a few weeks time.
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Drilla
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:40:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Drilla on 19/07/2006 16:41:27
To sum up people (like me) who cant be bothered to read all the spam:
- LV engaged a neutral pilot (that was in a gang with IAC but NOT together with the IAC gang when being engaged by LV).
- LV never agressed IAC.
- IAC made NO attempt to have the neutral entity set to positive standings.
- IAC made NO effort to avoid the engagement
- IAC jumped into the system and kille + podded 3 pilots from a blue entity (LV).
- IAC acted completely moronic when contacted by LV diplomats who were trying to resolve the issue.
- LV responded to the arrogance and idiocy of IAC by the only plausible way - with guns blazing.
There - it's summed up, those are facts - disputing the above is futile.
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
SengH
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:40:00 -
[64]
 Originally by: Lord Cyric
My personal view is that the real plot behind all this goes much deeper than anyone has realized. LV pilots have become mesmerized by the arkanor, and this has forced upon them a righteous journey to insure the coalition controls all arkanor in the known universe. Thus allowing them to manipulate and control the megacyte market on their whim, a noble goal. Through LV's elaborate spy and intelligence network it was discovered that IAC had secured rights on a previously unknown arkanor find and hence IAC must now must fall or at the very least relocate themselves to a bistot dig. The catalyst that sparked hostilities is irrelevant, altho I am a bit surprised they didn't use the old hauler filled with megacyte/zydrine.
IAC has seen through LV's plans and are even now attempting to stop their quest, the stockpiles of megacyte continue to grow in LV secured hangars...the market will be thrown into turmoil, hac prices will rise! Or maybe not...but it could be.
Its been done before .. not with zyd and mega but with mercx. A consortium of ppl with too much isk to spend pulled it off a year and a half back(around FOE's prime time). The cleaned out every single bit of mercx/morph off the market and shot the price up to 55k-60k a unit for 2-3 months.
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Silvestri
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:47:00 -
[65]
well, I probably shouldn't be the one doing this or opening my mouth as I'm new. And no I'm not going to post out of IAC forums. That was dumb IMO. Man, I just want to say that IAC and RA....doubtful that will happen. I mean ally up. Alot of you are right....we have respect for LV and they're accomplishments. To bad nobody higher up in IAC saw this post. We don't come off looking to good by what people posted. It was just a HUGE misunderstanding. From what I know diplomacy was tried...outcome I have no idea. From all I heard and gather and I wasn't there....sorry for podding. It shouldn't have gone that far after the ships....it seems to be a heat of the moment mishap that hopefully the higher ups of IAC and LV can work out later....or sooner. 
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tigress
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:03:00 -
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Greetings,
As I return from vacation stuff always seem to go down "south" so to speak.
Anyways, the parties needing to know anything about the LV incident does know about it, end of discussion.
The fact that CC pokes every chance of doing "damage" in the forums to me is very much a pointer to how things are going ingame for them.
(couldn't resist that one).
tigress
Vice president IAC
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Something Random
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:27:00 -
[67]
There wasnt actually any recognition on the vent conversation about it being a DA pilot that got engaged, Fleet was moving and fast - there were about 5 seconds of evaluation time - a call was made.
Here we are.
Personally im disappointed by the seemingly 5 minutes of Diplomacy that took place in the aftermath - but what does a soldier know of politics.
I liked LV - landed a few times in there bubbles with never a lock let alone a scratch.
Shame, but all must now be dealt with. Although im still hoping places will be set at a diplomatic table somewhere.
Everyone else enjoy - and stay the hell out of our private forums !!!!
Random.
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theannihilatorof doom
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:47:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Drilla
Edited by: Drilla on 19/07/2006 16:41:27
To sum up people (like me) who cant be bothered to read all the spam:
- LV engaged a neutral pilot (that was in a gang with IAC but NOT together with the IAC gang when being engaged by LV).
- LV never agressed IAC.
- IAC made NO attempt to have the neutral entity set to positive standings.
- IAC made NO effort to avoid the engagement
- IAC jumped into the system and kille + podded 3 pilots from a blue entity (LV).
- IAC acted completely moronic when contacted by LV diplomats who were trying to resolve the issue.
- LV responded to the arrogance and idiocy of IAC by the only plausible way - with guns blazing.
There - it's summed up, those are facts - disputing the above is futile.
iac diplomats contacted lv offered to reimburse and were basically left to wait while an "lv vote " was taken for two days iac pilots were instructed not to fire on any lv in empire or 0.0 unless fired upon first while we waited for the results of said vote... ie the vote to cancel the war... they had 2 days of free gankings while we tried diplomacy, does this sound like the acts of an alliance that WANT a war with lv? no they are not.. we have been told by lv themselves they war iac because we are "a soft target" and there "current pvp has gone stale" you post how iac disprespect you and so on but no one makes note that lv are wanting a war this is not about any incident you just want more targets if you truly want peace then let us know the result of this fabled vote otherwise stop with the iac bashing on the forums... also i do agree the fleet that engaged your ships was very very wrong there attempts at diplomacy at the time was pathetic but then so is war dec`ing after loosing two or three ships...
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:49:00 -
[69]
One says reimbursement was offered, the other says it wasn't.
Clearly someone is lying, either parties care to prove which one is?
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:50:00 -
[70]
Less yappin more zappin...
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Smith
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:01:00 -
[71]
Posts like this are rubbish and boring. I want Pictures god damn it PICTURES!!!!
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krissi79
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:11:00 -
[72]
well lets say **** happens , mistakes where made
lets have fun
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Palitir
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:53:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:55
Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:29
- Offers to LV were made by diplomats and sanctioned by the IAC directors.
- LV Asked for a day or two to consider the offer to cancel the war.
- I havent heard anything after that.
**Spelling Edits >_<**
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:47:00 -
[74]
Was that before or after the diplomat we contacted for reimbursed logged off while still in the convo with our director?
Right.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:47:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Crellion on 19/07/2006 20:49:21
I donr know uf the info the alties gave us reliable. If it is IAC FC was lameass. There is an incident where frindlies shoot at your frig scout and you feel the need to destroy their 2 HACs and a stilletto AFTER you have allready been told on TS that the scout was KOS to them????
Lol IF* the info is correct the man in charge was either sombody rly desperate to get theri first HAC killmail of the year or a godd commander on a veeeeery bad eve-moment.
Why no immediate apology and refund?
Lol sorry for the terrible spelling very dark room 
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Malfesa Longoten
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:04:00 -
[76]
Heresay, conjecture, speculation, and claims shrouded within lopsided versions of the truth - and top it all off with an apparent "spy" within the ranks of IAC.
This is either a very well-thought out attempt at a coup d'etat in action, or a gross misunderstanding feeding RIGHT into either a planned or welcomed war dec.
Seems to me that no matter what way you look at it, this plays right into LV's hands, and doesn't benefit IAC in the least... which would lead me to believe that all these claims that IAC did not offer any compensation, apologies, or diplomatic attempts at resolution are a big bunch of BS.
That being said, I don't know if anyone other than the parties directly involved will ever know the whole or real truth. Even those within the alliances don't have the whole story.
This sounds like it's only going to get uglier.
/me gets the popcorn
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Drilla
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:05:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Palitir
Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:55
Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:29
- Offers to LV were made by diplomats and sanctioned by the IAC directors.
- LV Asked for a day or two to consider the offer to cancel the war.
- I havent heard anything after that.
**Spelling Edits >_<**
So you offered compensation AFTER we declared war? You realize that, at that point it wasnt only about compensation but the utter disrespect of the IAC directorship/leadership/FC/whatever that just laughed in our face and closed the convo/logged off?
Reap it!
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
Drilla
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:06:00 -
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In regards to 'whom to belive' - start with ignoreing alts.
My factsheet has only been disputed by an alt ....
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
Palitir
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:07:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 21:10:20
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Was that before or after the diplomat we contacted for reimbursed logged off while still in the convo with our director?
Right.
The offer was made to LV, and we were given a time that they would consider the offer for.
I have no idea if this was before or after (i've sent you a mail for that information) but the offer was made, and we were told to wait for an answer to that.
After this, I havent heard anything.
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EDIt
Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: Palitir
Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:55
Edited by: Palitir on 19/07/2006 19:53:29
- Offers to LV were made by diplomats and sanctioned by the IAC directors.
- LV Asked for a day or two to consider the offer to cancel the war.
- I havent heard anything after that.
**Spelling Edits >_<**
So you offered compensation AFTER we declared war? You realize that, at that point it wasnt only about compensation but the utter disrespect of the IAC directorship/leadership/FC/whatever that just laughed in our face and closed the convo/logged off?
Reap it!
Yes, I agree that the situation and what happened at that time was disrespectful.
BUT, the diplomatic channels were opened once someone was able to. An offer was put forward.
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DHB FooFighter
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:59:00 -
[80]
before this scuffle between IAC and LV had happened, LV forces entered the JZV area and along with CC (who they were currently at war with, bet that messed up some overviews :P) camped the G-7 system in "support" of the angel cartel in reaction against our takedown the the Angel POS.
The reports of LV helping CC (killmails to prove it) made many of our pilots edgy towards LV, i believe this greatly affected our FC when he made the decision to shoot the LV.
Again mistakes have been made, but i personally believe ( /me puts on his tinfoil hat) that LV have been looking for a reason to engage IAC in order to more fully support the Angel Cartel. these are my opinions and do not reflct those of IAC or its leaders.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.19 22:56:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 19/07/2006 23:00:23
*groan*
Who. The. Hell. CARES? Someone shot someone. Whee, we're at war. Whee, we're gonna deal with it. Whee, people will lose ships.
Seriously. It's a run-of-the-mill diplomatic incident that happened because two allies were in the same group and unfortunately did not really share their enemies. So what, this is like the gazillionth time this happens in EVE, the most common casus belli right after the oft-overlooked "YOU DISSED MY MAMA".
Some people are probably having kittens about the whole thing, but I for one couldn't care less. It's just a problem to deal with, and it's a straightforward one at that.
Get over yourself.
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Heikki
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:41:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Who. The. Hell. CARES?
Perhaps those parties who have diplomatic relations with IAC, or who might have those in the future?
And drama is always good, makes our universe feel more lively..
-Lasse
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.07.20 00:40:00 -
[83]
cliff notes please.
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n sx
The Tidemark
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.20 01:26:00 -
[84]
Edited by: n sx on 20/07/2006 01:30:10
Hello to all,
I usually keep my nose off the forums as far as making posts go, but sadly I have been near sickened with what has happened here over the last few weeks.
As far as I am concerned it is the RP/Factional warfare that 'started' all this and will most likely cause waves with all other areas of space that it moves to. Obviously IAC took out a Angel POS whom with LV and CC are sided with. As a result there was a incident when CC and LV (while at war) came and shot some IAC pilots to retalliate on behalf of Angel Cartel. This is all fair enough, but the results for the general populus, this gets confusing.
So in summary LV's shooting blue, sided with red in the name of roleplaying. IAC alliance leaders all agree this is the case.
Shortly after a fleet commander makes an erroneous judgement call later that week when LV engages a member of his gang - only to find out that wasn't an IAC pilot.
All sorts of diplomatic chat ensue, a comedy of errors, a political nightmare and complete clusterBEEP. I do blame IAC for poor dealings of the situation and we're re-sorting alliance leadership roles as a result.
So, now as Raem has said, we're at war - that is something that needs to be dealt with as it comes and of course, some members of the alliance have their concerns and others are rather excited.
So far its been fun (though we're yet to have a big engagement) and a refreshing change from fighting the Cloaked Coalition.
That's about as simple as it gets.
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On a personal note, I would like to apologise on behalf of the IAC alliance to LV for the clusterBEEP and look forward to the future, whatever it may hold :).
To the person that posted alliance mails and threads from our forums, you simply need to ship out, you are a disgrace to whomever you fly for, and with whom you agenda is aligned. Very little of what you have posted is 'solid' information and rather just member banter, but ultimately, you need to grow a pair.
-n sx
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Bacilius
The Tidemark
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.20 01:31:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Macrobuster
Bacilius
Bottle cleaner
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Location: The Tidemark
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 12:52 am Post subject:
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I thought his reply was an even better RP....
Alt is my name, curr, and one you shall do well to not speak again should you wish to continue your ramblings with teeth!
Please recommend a more fruitful path when pointing to information boards, for it is a bare and deceiving wasteland when it comes to your own...
Take heed, beloved pet of Angels... any preparation for war in Catch has and will be made with scant consideration for the likes of you. Enemies deemed worthy of war declare their intentions in ways you could never afford nor understand. You would do well to retreat to your kennels when the cries of battle reach your mongrel pack.
By the looks of it, Bach was rendered speechless
And I cant use an Alt, Hello Pot, This is Kettle
Since you so proudly have access to our private forums, you'll notice that this link was posted to laugh at CC get Roleplay PWND by an ALT, and although noone has claimed responsibility internally, most of us agree it was most likely an IAC member.
I think the point you miss, dear Macro, is the difference between a faceless roleplayer pointing out the comedy of an isolated post, and the verbatim publication of selected internal forum posts to propagate war. Please, post away, but understand that your attempt at mischief through anonymity is pointless and your faceless attacks in this information war will be met with the same resolution and eventual mirth as the cloaked ganks you resort to in-game. You are simply no longer a threat, influence or cause for concern for Southern residents and whatever credibility you once had left on the last hauler north with your more able allies, the CDC.
In case anyone is in doubt btw, let's take a look at this thread alone -
First 14 posts - published IAC forum discussions by faceless entities, then...
Post 18 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
Originally by: Raid
I wont lie though.... im enjoying this.
Post 32 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
Originally by: Raid
Naps in the south = boring
More people need to shooty shooty each other, we cant all be mining veld!
The recent agressions here have been fun for everyone involved (well except that time lv took a fleet into g-7 and got nothing even though IAC was ready to fight).
Lets the shoosting begin!
Post 45 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
Post 47 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
Originally by: Raid
This incident took place a week ago. Since there there has been plenty of shooting to go around. No new information has been provided here, and it already seems like this conflict isnt going to end with a simple "im sorry, heres your money back". Its gone beyond just LV since chimp seems involved as well now.
Post 53 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
Originally by: Raid
Stability is boring, shooty shooty is fun. Support stability in your own region not in the whole south.
Post 57 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
Post 61 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
Post 65 - Raid (Curse Coalition)
etc... etc.. etc...
Is anyone in any doubt as to the who stands to gain from this war and where the source of this underhanded behaviour stems from?
To LV I say this.. mistakes and bad decisions are part of combat and diplomacy, and have been made by both sides in abundance in recent times. I sincerely hope a resolution can be found diplomatically, however I wish you a good fight if not, and equally look forward to both. I am sure you will make a valid opponent and feel confident IAC will do the same.
Please feel free to ignore the cloakers on your way in... 
These are my views only but probably represent the majority of the Alliance, even though it goes against IAC policy on forum posts. 
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.20 01:33:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Galavet
I managed to read a couple of sentances of this crap...
You made it much further than I.
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 03:11:00 -
[87]
Bacilius I am glad someone is at least seeing my point now about this post.
I also would like to present the thought of both alliances LV and IAC's return to the diplomatic table to restore standings.
To settle the issues one would ask.
What would LV settle with in recompensation if IAC does and at one point seemingly did offer.
If the claim was valid on the offer, why would it be to late to still accept it instead of continuing a war between these two alliances.
Every alliance has their gung-ho types and love nothing better then to bathe in blood of their enemies. But this types are not the ones that should be calling the shots nor should influence them if they are not in the leadership chain for decision making to which the lives of everyone in their respective alliances could be changed.
I am quite sure both alliances have their wiser more cooler heads to prevail the situation based on the evidence on this board at a VERY MINIMUM, not taking away from other sources that could be tapped on.
So I ask.. why would it be to late to fix this now and put it behind us so we can get back onto the agendas each respective alliance was once on. Surely a few weeks delay in these agendas is much better then months and months of war over a small issue like this.
"Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy" |
Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 03:16:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Bacilius
Raid stole my cookie
Read the whole thread dude. Your not the first one to point the finger in this direction and like i said over and over again whats the point of this thread? It isnt going to change anything! Your already knee deep in a war with LV which now involves CHIMP and it would see V as well. Im not new to this game dude, i already know your engaged in this war.. all this thread will acccomplish is give more room to discuss what went "wrong" between you two. A simple "im sorry, heres your money" isnt going to fix it at this point.
Just so we're clear on all this, let me repeat what i said earlier. Shooty Shooty > Walky Talky and knowing Shinra, Shooty Shooty is what your going to get. So get off it dude... your responsible for creating your own standings mess not me. I just happen to enjoy a good show.
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R3dSh1ft
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.20 03:17:00 -
[89]
Pfft if you think thats bad you should read the spam ppl send in corp...
I love my corp :)
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 03:48:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Bacilius
Raid stole my cookie
Read the whole thread dude. Your not the first one to point the finger in this direction and like i said over and over again whats the point of this thread? It isnt going to change anything! Your already knee deep in a war with LV which now involves CHIMP and it would see V as well. Im not new to this game dude, i already know your engaged in this war.. all this thread will acccomplish is give more room to discuss what went "wrong" between you two. A simple "im sorry, heres your money" isnt going to fix it at this point.
Just so we're clear on all this, let me repeat what i said earlier. Shooty Shooty > Walky Talky and knowing Shinra, Shooty Shooty is what your going to get. So get off it dude... your responsible for creating your own standings mess not me. I just happen to enjoy a good show.
to make it more clear to us. I've been asked this same question, and you've been involved with this post quite a bit as well. Why does it interest you so much to continue egging it on. You say you just enjoy a good show, yet all you've been doing is getting involve and trying to stir the pot even more. If you want to enjoy the show, why are you talking so much in effort to keep things at war?
I don't know a lot of IAC high level personnel but I do know quite a few LV officials to the ones that really do make the decisions. LV's personnel on that level are intelligent and normally pursue information and options to a good degree. If my confidence in their leadership ability isn't misplaced and given more information and efforts with all direct parties. this situation could be cut back quite a bit.
Involving CHIMP in this for the RMN affair which in turn could have been aggravated by the same damn issue this event is surrounding could also likewise be resolved, but albet differently because it involves a whole different event but still involves IAC.
The issue with the RMN is one as could be seen from the information and evidence presented on the forums as unfortunate and untimely as one could be to aggravate entire scenario more.
Event still things can be settled if the leaders come to the fore and try to work the issues out. First things first is the settlement of this issue which no doubt fueled or instigated the issue between CHIMP and RMN (IAC)
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