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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1133
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:24:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Sounds like this person is lonely and just wants to meet people. Either that or it's for profit. Most likely for profit.
And yes, you can trigger another person's mission objective.
Racing in a frigate to the trigger point in Recon 2 like a crazed spider monkey while the big old battleship slowboats.... always entertaining.
What happens next is what's interesting. Technically at this point a mission runner can simply dock up and complete mission.
The real conflict occurs when all those red crosses show up, just begging to be killed for bounty and loot.
I wouldn't care if someone did that for me in Recon. I always just blitz that one.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
331
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:31:00 -
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Which is the best route for the Recon missions. zap through em fast as possible and move on. The fights aren't generally worth the time and effort and you can get fast lp just by blitzing it. Just my opinion, tho. |
Zephraim Cockring
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:04:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:if she stole the mission objective from the op after he had destroyed the rat would that not make her a criminal / suspect and allow you to agress? or did she jump into the mission and kill the rat herself making it her loot?
no, and no.
ship's crew drops in a white container - looting the crew does not make looter suspect.
Mission owner owns mission wrecks regardless of who pops them. |
Ginger Barbarella
2002
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:32:00 -
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Armor Uta wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:The OP said someone stole something he needed to complete the mission, so the mission couldn't get flagged as complete. When you kill 'group one' in the final room the mission is flagged as complete. You cannot loot the wreck until that group is dead. If the ships crew is gone, they are gone for good (in that mission). checked contracts issued by the player who stole it and seems like they have 4-5 contracts going for different cargo needed to complete missions. I checked her killboard the day after she took my worlds collide loot and she lost a 600m gila to a navy vexor in high sec.
Name her, and tell everyone where you were running your mission. Unfortunately you have to keep your eyes open for douchebags that'll do this kind of thing.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1124
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:28:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Sounds like this person is lonely and just wants to meet people. Either that or it's for profit. Most likely for profit.
And yes, you can trigger another person's mission objective.
Racing in a frigate to the trigger point in Recon 2 like a crazed spider monkey while the big old battleship slowboats.... always entertaining.
What happens next is what's interesting. Technically at this point a mission runner can simply dock up and complete mission.
The real conflict occurs when all those red crosses show up, just begging to be killed for bounty and loot.
Recon 2 ?
If you MJD from the spawn point you pop out right on the gate and mission complete. Recon 2 takes a single MJD cycle to complete :D |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
586
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:13:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Sounds like this person is lonely and just wants to meet people. Either that or it's for profit. Most likely for profit.
And yes, you can trigger another person's mission objective.
Racing in a frigate to the trigger point in Recon 2 like a crazed spider monkey while the big old battleship slowboats.... always entertaining.
What happens next is what's interesting. Technically at this point a mission runner can simply dock up and complete mission.
The real conflict occurs when all those red crosses show up, just begging to be killed for bounty and loot. Recon 2 ? If you MJD from the spawn point you pop out right on the gate and mission complete. Recon 2 takes a single MJD cycle to complete :D
I think a warp speed rigged interceptor will still do it faster just based on align time and warp speed. but one MJD cycle does seem pretty fast.
You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
286
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Posted - 2014.08.20 12:36:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Armor Uta wrote:Had a lootter warp into my worlds collide mission in a Gila so I just scooped my MTU and took as much loot as i could hold. I logged off for about 3 hours to come back to it.
This person went into the last room and stole the cargo needed to complete the mission and put it in contracts for 20m. Out of principle i quit the mission and took a small standing loss rather then buy it back.
Is there a way to get around this kind of thing? Does the cargo respawn after downtime? I'd allowed gameplay. But yeah, just wait until after d/t and do it again.
I believe it is possible to petition it under the "mission in progress" category and GM might reset the mission for you. Ofc take it with a grain of salt, I have not done so myself so it is not based on my personal experience.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:46:00 -
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IIshira wrote:
Lying in a petition and risk whatever CCP would do doesn't seem worth it to complete a mission...
Is it against the EULA? I thought lying was an acceptable part of the gameplay.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
Reverberation Project
337
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:04:00 -
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Armor Uta wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Armor Uta wrote:Had a lootter warp into my worlds collide mission in a Gila so I just scooped my MTU and took as much loot as i could hold. I logged off for about 3 hours to come back to it.
This person went into the last room and stole the cargo needed to complete the mission and put it in contracts for 20m. Out of principle i quit the mission and took a small standing loss rather then buy it back.
Is there a way to get around this kind of thing? Does the cargo respawn after downtime? I'd allowed gameplay. But yeah, just wait until after d/t and do it again. i dont mind them stealing loot and salvaging. Even blowing up my MTU every now and then. But stealing the mission loot and putting in contracts is a pain in the ass
I'd call it a creative use of an opportunity for iskies.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1143
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:08:00 -
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DeAira Skord wrote:IIshira wrote:
Lying in a petition and risk whatever CCP would do doesn't seem worth it to complete a mission...
Is it against the EULA? I thought lying was an acceptable part of the gameplay.
I'm not sure if lying in a petition is against the EULA but I'm sure it wouldn't make CCP happy. I'm sure lying is a perfectly acceptable part of gameplay but I don't think the petitions are part of gameplay.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
415
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Posted - 2014.08.23 04:09:00 -
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On the other hand, a player scanning down a mission and then swooping in to swipe the mission critical item... only to then ransom it back to you is part of gameplay.
I've had it happen to me. I've done it to others.
Missions aren't instances with barriers that automagically keep others out while we nom on red crosses to our heart's content, and I'd be willing to bet good iskies that the gm's would likely take a dim view of dishonest petitions sent in to circumvent the inconvenience another player levied on you.
Edit:
If something like this does happen to you, you do have a few options available to you though. One is to try and negotiate with the person who took your item, they may be willing to trade it back in exchange for a ransom.
Another is to accept the loss of the mission and move on. It's not ideal, but it's safe... it'll cost you a standings hit with the agent in question and I think a lesser one with the corporation they work for.
Or you can engage this individual in a holy trial by combat.... if you win you've got an estimated 50% chance that your mission item will be in the wreckage. However, as Ilshira has pointed out, this can be a risky venture as this may be exactly what your erstwhile foe wants. |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
200
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:01:00 -
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check the markets. usualy you can buy that stuff of NPCs for less than 1mil isk. complete the missions
reports. viral agents even the f u c k i n g damsel
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
430
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:00:00 -
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This reminds me, I should probably put some of those up for sale and get paid for my time at least.
Not the damsels though, those bitches be mine. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
689
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Posted - 2014.08.30 21:21:00 -
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Finish mission fast (bookmark rooms and come back for salvage), always check DScan for probes, pop wrecks if they come in (they think they are wasting your time/isk....standard ammo is damn cheap as it is so mostly wasting their time, always keep some in your hold), leave mission, and decline....that's about all you can do by taking the hit or accept their contract that isn't worth the value of the mission total anyway. |
Zappity
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S
1316
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:50:00 -
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So what is the easiest way for me to find out what the desirable mission items are? Just, um, out of interest.
I hope the answer isn't to do all the missions!
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
606
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Posted - 2014.08.31 04:18:00 -
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Zappity wrote:So what is the easiest way for me to find out what the desirable mission items are? Just, um, out of interest.
I hope the answer isn't to do all the missions!
could probably just browse eve-survival or something. something like Militants are worthless as they drop in 2x the required amount so everyone should more or less have a stockpile, where say The Damsel is apparently not on contracts at all in Jita, and the lowest one is 20m in Lonetrek right now, although I would guess there is a stockpile out there somewhere.
You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Kestrix
Swords To Ploughshares
Vanguard of the Phoenix
144
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Posted - 2014.08.31 09:46:00 -
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I had a player join me whilst doing a mission, it was quite funny watching him try and upset me. Best thing to do is ignore them until they warp off feeling totally impotent and defeated. If they do take the mission critical loot just drop the mission and take the next, it's not like there is a finite number of missions. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
609
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Posted - 2014.08.31 12:53:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:I had a player join me whilst doing a mission, it was quite funny watching him try and upset me. Best thing to do is ignore them until they warp off feeling totally impotent and defeated. If they do take the mission critical loot just drop the mission and take the next, it's not like there is a finite number of missions.
but my PRECIOUS standings 
You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Dark Hominy
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.08.31 18:24:00 -
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I had a storyline objective taken a couple years ago. My mission ship didn't have enough cargo space for it so I jumped back 3 systems for a hauler. By the time I got back, the objective was gone and a flashy cross was sitting there.
I said, "well played, you got me there". He offered to sell it back. I said, "Sure, how much." He docked up and logged off.
I petitioned and was basically told, too bad, so sad. Failed the mission, took a pretty steep hit to standings and continued to grind standings. As if I wasn't going to do it anyway, right?
I also moved mission hubs and haven't seen an interloper since. (dscan, dock up, etc.)
So, TLDR
Don't expect the mission to be reset if your objective is taken. |
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
66
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Posted - 2014.09.01 11:23:00 -
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To the OP - nope, your mission got borked by the thief CCP approves of such theft.
Your L4 missions will occasionally have visitors. You just need to learn to deal with it One basic rule is to never engage the intruder in your mission ship You will lose. I keep a PvP ship nearby for these people if I care to engage them.
For the ninja salvagers, I keep a blaster fit gank boat at the ready...
Ninja looters are typically trying to get you to engage and possibly pop their ship. They have a tough PvP ship at the ready to come pop your mission boat once you get flagged for PvP. Again, never engage with your mission ship.
With mission loot, that is the first thing you should try to grab when possible. For example, with damsel in distress, I knock down some of the initial hostile DPS but I collect the damsel ASAP just to be safe.
If you are concerned about future intruders, mind your D-scan and what sigs are in system. If you see a couple probes get close, leave the mission and take a 30 minute break.
In the end, it's just a game. Half of what intruders want is to collect your "tears". |
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
197
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Posted - 2014.09.10 11:03:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:take the standings loss and move on, no big deal. It matters in some of the Epic arcs. Without the objective you cannot complete the rest of the arc and there are players who make a living out of stealing Epic Arc mission objectives and ransoming them back. But even then a petition should get the mission reset.
While I'm sure you are correct, I will bring to attention which mission the OP was having trouble with and please note it is no such arc mission.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
R3DRUM
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.10 21:02:00 -
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please use the doll to tell us were the bad man touched you! |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.09.13 20:04:00 -
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Shoot the wrecks... That's what I normally do. |
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
328
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Posted - 2014.09.13 21:51:00 -
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I've not seen one in ages. Either they are now an endangered species or EVEN more skittish than normal.
Last one I saw: I was in a maraduer so just bastioned up, turned on the tank, stopped shooting and waited for the inevitable aggro swtich. He was gone soon after. A pity. |
Menkary Hardluck
Phoenix Co.
10
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Posted - 2014.09.14 14:36:00 -
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When I level 4 mission, I will use my directional scan to search for combat scanner probes. You need to do the same.
Combat scanner probes are what you use to scan down another player's ships, that's what you have to look out for; core scanner probes just scan down various signatures. Adjust your scanner range to get an idea of how far away the scanner probes are to your location. If at least 4 of them are within 4 AU, it probably means YOU are the one getting scanned down. It is time to dock up.
At one point, I was doing a longer mission (Angel Extravaganza maybe?) and those combat scanner probes kept trying to land on me. I kept docking up. It was back and forth for a while, but eventually the ninja looter was forced to look for somebody else.
As has been said before, do not engage a ninja looter in a pve ship. |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
333
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Posted - 2014.09.15 15:34:00 -
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Shoot the wrecks. Make sure you can tank the rats, and instead lock up wrecks as he approaches them. Then send a round through the hull. You're denying him loot, and lulz by not engaging him directly. In the end, you're stilling making money off the bounties and mission bonuses. He makes nothing. I've had looters yell at me in Local like I'm the madman, but they always leave to find someone more complacent. |
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