Father(stay at home) of twin boys , 3yolds.
hunting my fellow man is all that keeps me sane.

You, my friend, have my deepest sympathies. I told my wife that if we have twins with this next one, that we are giving one to the circus. Of course my three year old daughter latched onto this, and keeps saying that "we have to give the ugly one to the circus, I want to keep the cute one."

You, my friend, have my deepest sympathies. I told my wife that if we have twins with this next one, that we are giving one to the circus. Of course my three year old daughter latched onto this, and keeps saying that "we have to give the ugly one to the circus, I want to keep the cute one."

Parents: How are you playing Eve?!

in a small gang?

My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)

I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

Love Child - The documentary

My little one just turned two, and -- while I've stayed subbed since she's been born -- I haven't really been able to meaningfully engage with the game this whole time. I've settled into a pattern where I keep my skill queue filled. I do some light industry, and I do my hauling at night after she's asleep.

I do have these dreams of a glorious future where I and daddy's little scouting alt go traipsing through the vast reaches of space, but I don't know realistically how far off that future is (if ever).

Since this game has been around long enough for folks to have had families and children, I thought I'd ask the community:

Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break?
If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged?
At what ages or developmental milestones were you able to expand the scope of your play? What did it entail?
Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?

Thanks in advance folks!

I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)

I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

Love Child - The documentary

My oldest has branched out to running his own scams and has even come up with some ideas involving my 2 yr old girl I hadn't even thought of before. Its really great.

Daytime daddy here. Working afternoons and nights.
Put the first daughter on comms during a TEST stratop, the racist profanity and obscenity was much curtailed.
"Dad go to the moon! Go to the Sun!"..."It looks suspicious during a structure bash, darlin'."

How about the rest of you? Are you involved in a corp/alliance that is willing to work with you and your kids (i.e. cut you some slack on ops and lossmails)?

My little one just turned two, and -- while I've stayed subbed since she's been born -- I haven't really been able to meaningfully engage with the game this whole time. I've settled into a pattern where I keep my skill queue filled. I do some light industry, and I do my hauling at night after she's asleep.

I do have these dreams of a glorious future where I and daddy's little scouting alt go traipsing through the vast reaches of space, but I don't know realistically how far off that future is (if ever).

Since this game has been around long enough for folks to have had families and children, I thought I'd ask the community:

Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break?
If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged?
At what ages or developmental milestones were you able to expand the scope of your play? What did it entail?
Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?

Thanks in advance folks!

If it had not been for my daughters I would have never played Eve Online.

They paid for and set it all up for me as a birthday present in April 2007.

hahahaha thats adoreable

Also a complete lie. A child of age 3 will not have that kind of sentence structure, let alone the understanding of twins. It is more likely if the story is even true that the child is repeating what it has heard. Would also be more like send ugly one circus rather than the sentence example above.

Was most likely a one time deal. Unless of course it is talked about daily and even then the child would just be repeating what it heard with no compression of what it's saying.

Nope, that's actually all true. She has exceptional verbal comprehension for her age.

But please, don't let my actual experiences with my child gainsay your expertise, oh random NPC alt.

What they frequently have trouble with is their parent confusing them by dumbing the explanation down or just using poor language thinking they are making it easier for them, kids are a lot more intelligent than you give them credit for.

Oh, so much this. Most people handicap their child's development without even realizing.

Especially at that age, they're a sponge and they'll soak up whatever you give them.

I usually put a little Jack Daniels in the babies' bottle.

Free up all kinds of time for sleeping, gaming, going to the movies, etc...

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Yeah at that age their capacity for learning is several orders of magnitude greater than most adults ability to teach.

Please do not let this thread turn into a , my kid is smarter than your kid - my kid is the smartest kid on the planet sorry-ass pissing contest.

Yeah at that age their capacity for learning is several orders of magnitude greater than most adults ability to teach.

The confusion between kids being stupid and simply being inexperienced (or just having a smaller reference pool) is at times both sad and hilarious to watch. The sad part is mainly when it comes in when people really should know better.

. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)

I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

Love Child - The documentary

This ^^.

Most of the current economic and social problems have resulted from 'equality' and the resulting requirement for two or more wages being needed to buy a house. In the UK at least. Personally I feel one of the parents making the children should be at home to look after them. It doesn't have to be the mother but one should be there. I can understand why that isn't the case now though for various reasons.

PS I don't have children and don't intend to. Far too many people having far too many children.............'Utopia' anyone ?

as a child of a single working mother, Bull****.

as a child of a single working mother, Bull****.

Seconded. If anything, it's the nonsensical obsession of owning houses that has broken stuff

But hey, I'll bite.

Raising children and serious gaming are not the only two options. There's a whole continuum between these poles that is totally viable and healthy.

Counterexamples: this thread.

Protip to all the readers thinking about starting a family out there: ignore the abridged screed above.

Just because you have had a child does not mean that society demands that you don a hairshirt and hang yourself upon the cross of parenthood for the next twenty years. If you do not give yourself, your spouse, and your child the time and space to be complete human beings with their own opinions, relationships, and interests (including gaming) then you will all come out of the other end of next few decades physically and emotionally crippled. Make time for yourself. Make time for each other. Share your interests, but allow everyone to find their own way to engage. The rest is just bookkeeping.

For a start, anyone who "seriously games" generally doesn't do anything else.
In morality or ethics discussions, extreme cases aren't helpful.
That extreme case from South Korea is from a country catapulted from rural Confucian values directly into the highest tech available. They have bought into gadgets and technology 200%. Indicative of this is the solution: outlawing children from gaming between midnight and 6am. Here we have the state stepping into people's lives due to pessimism about common sense, possibly the worst solution that could be tried. Think about that, laws governing your children's hobbies.
My wife is South Korean, by the way.
Also, the fact that parents raise their kids "how they see fit" is far from new. I've been places where children are raised to be savage, selfish and manipulative. To do any different would be to set them at a disadvantage with the prevailing culture.
When you judge others on how they raise their kids, you are straying into the forbidden triangle of relationships / politics / religion that shouldn't be wandered into lightly, because people kill each other over these things.

Damn son.

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I'm impressed by the simplistic, one-liner dismissals of what is more than just a little complicated.

For instance, selling houses priced at a certain amount to people who obviously couldn't afford them...gets turned into a neurotic obsession to own a house. That was a cute right hand turn there.

Parenting in a world of people destined for economic slavery gets rather difficult, I guess.

Actually, being a human being in this world today is rather vapid and one-dimensional. Let your kids do what they want. Hell. Give 'em the car keys at ten years old. Letting them be FREE has to be more important than any other consideration. There I go again...there ARE no considerations! This gets easier by the minute!

Of course, home ownership makes for stable neighborhoods and communities is an undisputed fact.

Not really. All you have to do is teach them the important stuff and let kids be kids (and let adults be adults).

Parents: How are you playing EVE?

pretty funny listening to some of these kids who live on the forums giving parenting advice.

Just goes to show you that most of these regulars will give advice on things they have no experience with. Color me surprised.

Also a complete lie. A child of age 3 will not have that kind of sentence structure, let alone the understanding of twins. It is more likely if the story is even true that the child is repeating what it has heard. Would also be more like send ugly one circus rather than the sentence example above.

Was most likely a one time deal. Unless of course it is talked about daily and even then the child would just be repeating what it heard with no compression of what it's saying.

In line with the original question...

I have a 9 year old girl, a 5 year old boy, and we just had our third, another girl!

Yes, I have to wait until after bedtime to get some playing in now for a while and mostly tend to the skill queue, but that is ok with me for now. I still get to do some solo roaming at night and now I am getting into a bit of industry as well (never really touched it) and looking at some market trading.
I feel there is always something to do in the game although I cannot be on as mush as I was until the little tot gets a little older. The best part is the older sister can give a helping hand to alleviate some of the burden.

It is no big deal. The game does not rule my life; I enjoy it for what it is: a game.

I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)

I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

Love Child - The documentary

I went on a week-long business trip last year. I forgot to set my skill-queue and my PI.

I knew my my daughter would be up getting ready for school just after DT so I called her and told her to log into my account and I walked her through doing both tasks.

Just as we were on the last planet, I heard the angry sounding voice of my wife asking why my daughter was on the computer playing games and talking on the phone when she should be at the bus stop...

Daughter -> MOOOOOM! IT'S DADDY'S PEE EYE! I HAVE TO SET IT OR HE LOSES ISKS!

Wife -> WTF did you just say?! Is that your father on the phone?!

Daughter -> JEEZE MOM, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. DADDY'S CURLY CUE IS EMPTY.

Wife -> Give me that GD phone.

- struggle struggle grunt whine -

Wife -> Listen to me, GDI... I don't even know, nor do I care wtf a pee eye is or why you have a curly cue... but we're going to have a conversation when you get back home...

Me -> Love ya, hon... Late for a meeting.

- click -

(daughter missed the bus)

I am literally crying right now that I read that. I'm glad i wasn't drinking anything or I'd need yet another box of wipes for my keyboard.

It reminds me of the time recently that I showed my wife a little bit of what I do in the game and even took the time to go into CQ to show her my avatar. My female Avatar. My avatar that I, a 40 year old dude, use to play an online video game...that is female.

That was a LONG talk about various uncomfortable subjects that night....

so I called her and told her to log into my account

In your involvement with TEST, were they generally pretty parent-friendly?

Not the best idea to be admitting this on the forum.

I started playing when my kids were 23, 24 and 26.

No problems.

My little one just turned two, and -- while I've stayed subbed since she's been born -- I haven't really been able to meaningfully engage with the game this whole time. I've settled into a pattern where I keep my skill queue filled. I do some light industry, and I do my hauling at night after she's asleep.

I do have these dreams of a glorious future where I and daddy's little scouting alt go traipsing through the vast reaches of space, but I don't know realistically how far off that future is (if ever).

Since this game has been around long enough for folks to have had families and children, I thought I'd ask the community:

Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break?
If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged?
At what ages or developmental milestones were you able to expand the scope of your play? What did it entail?
Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?

Thanks in advance folks!

My daughter likes to watch when I suicide gank.

But she has gotten me killed on this character a fair bit, oftentimes in embarassing fashions because she wants to try and play the game if I leave the chair for more than a few moments.

But eh, it's no biggie, I am just glad she doesn't lick windows or try to kiss electric sockets like some of her cousins do.

I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)

I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

Love Child - The documentary

My little one just turned two, and -- while I've stayed subbed since she's been born -- I haven't really been able to meaningfully engage with the game this whole time. I've settled into a pattern where I keep my skill queue filled. I do some light industry, and I do my hauling at night after she's asleep.

I do have these dreams of a glorious future where I and daddy's little scouting alt go traipsing through the vast reaches of space, but I don't know realistically how far off that future is (if ever).

Since this game has been around long enough for folks to have had families and children, I thought I'd ask the community:

Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break?
If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged?
At what ages or developmental milestones were you able to expand the scope of your play? What did it entail?
Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?

Thanks in advance folks!

My sons where having a blast watching the AT last weekend.They asked me to stream it to the big tv so they could watch it , was fun seeing them sitting there watching eve fights while eating a bag of chips .

That is untill mom came in and ruined the day , as per usuall .

But hey, I'll bite.

Raising children and serious gaming are not the only two options. There's a whole continuum between these poles that is totally viable and healthy.

Counterexamples: this thread.

Protip to all the readers thinking about starting a family out there: ignore the abridged screed above.

Just because you have had a child does not mean that society demands that you don a hairshirt and hang yourself upon the cross of parenthood for the next twenty years. If you do not give yourself, your spouse, and your child the time and space to be complete human beings with their own opinions, relationships, and interests (including gaming) then you will all come out of the other end of next few decades physically and emotionally crippled. Make time for yourself. Make time for each other. Share your interests, but allow everyone to find their own way to engage. The rest is just bookkeeping.

It's called divorce.

Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break?

If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged?

Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?

I got 4 kids, age 4-10 , i can say i am oretty eve dedicated, with csm, fc ing for provi block most evenings.

Ofc rl , work and kids come first. My time is aftehr 20.00 h till 2400 max. Which is solid 4 h. I joined providence as u can instantly get a fleet and some pew pew. I cant sit on titans anymore for nigts and days, or a super till downtime.

In rl i plan, i tend to please the wife with cleaning, making sure dinner is on time on table, doing good dad things, so i am really done when it hits 20.00 . Eve emails and such on ipad, same as skype to arnage battles, talks and other stuff. I pads at work is a nice combo. Work. Play , rl floe on eachother.

It shoudl all be enjoyable, u dont want to be the dad that played that game that doesnt excist anymore and didnt see his kids grow up. So u maximise the joy form time with them, and u ensure u really play. Not station spin or carebear. I want to pew pew when i am online

U shoudl not look at others, but at yourself, and put actions where thougts are

Cu in eve

We just had our first four months ago - my playtime has nosedived, but I still find time to log in and have fun maybe every other day or so, at least just to keep skills going and have quick 1.5 - 2 hr sessions. Here's how I've managed so far:

and remember that you're likely having more fun with your kid than you would be in eve.

--ZC

It is difficult, but I manage.


http://i.imgur.com/wTZT80y.jpg

It shoudl all be enjoyable, u dont want to be the dad that played that game that doesnt excist anymore and didnt see his kids grow up. So u maximise the joy form time with them, and u ensure u really play. Not station spin or carebear. I want to pew pew when i am online

I went on a week-long business trip last year. I forgot to set my skill-queue and my PI.

I knew my my daughter would be up getting ready for school just after DT so I called her and told her to log into my account and I walked her through doing both tasks.

Just as we were on the last planet, I heard the angry sounding voice of my wife asking why my daughter was on the computer playing games and talking on the phone when she should be at the bus stop...

Daughter -> MOOOOOM! IT'S DADDY'S PEE EYE! I HAVE TO SET IT OR HE LOSES ISKS!

Wife -> WTF did you just say?! Is that your father on the phone?!

Daughter -> JEEZE MOM, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. DADDY'S CURLY CUE IS EMPTY.

Wife -> Give me that GD phone.

- struggle struggle grunt whine -

Wife -> Listen to me, GDI... I don't even know, nor do I care wtf a pee eye is or why you have a curly cue... but we're going to have a conversation when you get back home...

Me -> Love ya, hon... Late for a meeting.

- click -

(daughter missed the bus)

I went on a week-long business trip last year. I forgot to set my skill-queue and my PI.

I knew my my daughter would be up getting ready for school just after DT so I called her and told her to log into my account and I walked her through doing both tasks.