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Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:50:00 - [31] Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 11:54:40 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 11:02:05 Everyone steralised at early puberty with a small quantity of their sperm/eggs stored away. To get it back you have to be 1.In a stable job 2.In a stable relationship 3.Tested as psychologically capable of being a parent SIEG HEIL! In all seriousness, as idealistic as some of these systems might be, they violate good genetic protocol. People NEED to ** like rabbits for the continuation of the species in the face of disaster. This is because genetic traits that would aid survivability in some individuals (e.g. a compentant anti-viral immune system) should the circumstances change (e.g. a supervirus spreads across your continent) need to be created and maintained even if not useful. The more ***** is going on, the more variations of our species are produced and this is very good for adaptive survivability in the face of distaster. Speciation is very very important and requires a large reproductive base. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
MadGaz Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:55:00 - [32] I wouldn't even dream of having a kid until I have a steady job. I'd love it if people claiming benefits had to get off their arse and find a job like most decent people. Chavs, common as muck --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:33:00 - [33] Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 12:33:18 Originally by: MadGaz I wouldn't even dream of having a kid until I have a steady job. I'd love it if people claiming benefits had to get off their arse and find a job like most decent people. Chavs, common as muck I think you will find they are better off on benefits as a lot of them "do the double", as in they use benefits to pay the bills and do undeclared work for spending money. Yes, it's despicable. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
ReaperOfSly Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 14:51:00 - [34] Trouble is it seems the government would like us ALL to be like the chavs - dependant on government handouts so that we all become clients of the state. For example, they actively penalise academic pursuits (top-up fees for university), they persecute landowners (you pay 40% tax while saving up for the house and then your kids pay 40% again when you kick the bucket). They tax every little bit of money that moves so the only way to escape it is to have no money and no job in the first place. That's why chavs are so common these days. It's so difficult to be anything else. No, I'm not a chav. I just thought someone around here ought to be the devil's advocate --------------------------------------------------------------------
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.21 15:40:00 - [35] Edited by: Salusa VC on 21/07/2006 15:41:59 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Trouble is it seems the government would like us ALL to be like the chavs - dependant on government handouts so that we all become clients of the state. For example, they actively penalise academic pursuits (top-up fees for university), they persecute landowners (you pay 40% tax while saving up for the house and then your kids pay 40% again when you kick the bucket). They tax every little bit of money that moves so the only way to escape it is to have no money and no job in the first place. That's why chavs are so common these days. It's so difficult to be anything else. No, I'm not a chav. I just thought someone around here ought to be the devil's advocate Well said. All modern countries have to rely on some "milking" of the population to pay for essential services. The only problem is the UK government seem happy enough to rip our udders off rather than suckle us gently.
Alejandro Zapata	Posted - 2006.07.21 17:27:00 - [36] Had to look up what 'chav' meant, and I must say I am very disappointed. Some of you are some pretty elitist little *****s. Where in the original post does it say what class level this person was in, or what they were like? How do you know it wasn't some fairly wealthy white couple. I have met people like you, and they disgust me. Friend of my wife was complaining about the new town they live in. Telling me about the aircraft aluminium plant and the automobile factories, and then with contempt, says "you know, a bunch of uneducated white trash." I was very close to kicking this puke out of my house. He, who has only a bachelor's from a public university, has the marbles to call people who work their ass off keeping this country running and wealthy "white trash". They make three times what he does, and he is 'above' them. You elitist pukes make me sick. Perhaps it is people like YOU that should be sterilized, that way we can stamp out your way of thinking once and for all. Pssshhht, why hasn't this been locked yet CCP, or do you think along the same lines?
OmegaChief Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 18:08:00 - [37] You misunderstand, Chavs are not white trash, white trash are the royal family compared with chavs. Reading a description is one thing, but you try living here, and every time you walk past a street corner seeing a modified car thumbing out music with a crow of people with hooded tops and baseball caps on coated with "Bling". And as you walk past theres a 50/50 chance you'll get mugged or even killed, all because your different. That is living with chavs, you do that and tell me we're elitest
Zaphoniggan Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.21 18:20:00 - [38] Originally by: Jacxx To quote Greenday: "Been around the world and found only stupid people are breeding" Seems appropriate. Actually thats Flagpole Sitta by Harvey Danger ------------------------------ I refuse to use a sig until my picture is up .... Wait this is a sig
Trepkos Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.21 19:04:00 - [39] Originally by: OmegaChief You misunderstand, Chavs are not white trash, white trash are the royal family compared with chavs. Reading a description is one thing, but you try living here, and every time you walk past a street corner seeing a modified car thumbing out music with a crow of people with hooded tops and baseball caps on coated with "Bling". And as you walk past theres a 50/50 chance you'll get mugged or even killed, all because your different. That is living with chavs, you do that and tell me we're elitest Heh, sounds like the average neighborhood in the US. -------- ANGEL DEEP CORPORATION
ReaperOfSly Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 21:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Alejandro Zapata Had to look up what 'chav' meant, and I must say I am very disappointed. Some of you are some pretty elitist little ****s. Where in the original post does it say what class level this person was in, or what they were like? How do you know it wasn't some fairly wealthy white couple. I have met people like you, and they disgust me. Friend of my wife was complaining about the new town they live in. Telling me about the aircraft aluminium plant and the automobile factories, and then with contempt, says "you know, a bunch of uneducated white trash." I was very close to kicking this puke out of my house. He, who has only a bachelor's from a public university, has the marbles to call people who work their ass off keeping this country running and wealthy "white trash". They make three times what he does, and he is 'above' them. You elitist pukes make me sick. Perhaps it is people like YOU that should be sterilized, that way we can stamp out your way of thinking once and for all. Pssshhht, why hasn't this been locked yet CCP, or do you think along the same lines? I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "chav". It's not a matter of poverty or circumstances. They choose* to be viscious thugs who hang around in hoodies to hide their face while they eye up passers-by to see if they are a good target for a mugging. They do not "work their ass off". They claim benefits. That's what "chav" means. "Council Housed And Violent". You can wear as much "bling" and burberry as you like, but if you're an honest hard working person, you are not a chav. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Phrixus Zephyr Omega Corp	Posted - 2006.07.21 21:52:00 - [41] Originally by: ReaperOfSly I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "chav". It's not a matter of poverty or circumstances. They choose to be viscious thugs who hang around in hoodies to hide their face while they eye up passers-by to see if they are a good target for a mugging. They do not "work their ass off". They claim benefits. That's what "chav" means. "Council Housed And Violent". You can wear as much "bling" and burberry as you like, but if you're an honest hard working person, you are not a chav. QTF Originally by: Remedial ...not to BoB or BoB fans or People Who Have An Opinion About BoB, and certainly not the Chief BoB Forum Prostitutes...
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:04:00 - [42] FYI the couple where middle class white peeps in there 30's. Just dumb as dog**** IMO. As for the "hoodie menace" stuff. Quit reading the daily mirror ffs. Hoodies dont make a person a "chav" and "chav's" arn't bad people. They just haven't the personal kudos and self respect to go there own way in life and not fit in to one of the subsets in society. A bit like the people who wont fly with stabs on any ship no matter what tbh.
Nicholai Pestot Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 22:21:49 Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 11:54:40 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 11:02:05 Everyone steralised at early puberty with a small quantity of their sperm/eggs stored away. To get it back you have to be 1.In a stable job 2.In a stable relationship 3.Tested as psychologically capable of being a parent SIEG HEIL! In all seriousness, as idealistic as some of these systems might be, they violate good genetic protocol. People NEED to ** like rabbits for the continuation of the species in the face of disaster. This is because genetic traits that would aid survivability in some individuals (e.g. a compentant anti-viral immune system) should the circumstances change (e.g. a supervirus spreads across your continent) need to be created and maintained even if not useful. The more ***** is going on, the more variations of our species are produced and this is very good for adaptive survivability in the face of distaster. Speciation is very very important and requires a large reproductive base. Doesnt work in civilised countries with a civil support system. Those who are not optimally predispositioned for survival survive and breed and unfortunatly tend to breed alot more then those who succeed. From a personal, humane point of view helping and supporting those who are either physically, mentally or psychologically incapable of being a productive member of society is the right thing to do. From the point of view of the health of society and the species as a whole, we are commiting a slow suicide as our own artificaly created conditions are modifying our citizens on a very fundimental basis far more than any ugenics advocate could ever hope to. We are, unfortunatly, modifing the our own species with a trend towards the negative. A very tricky philisophical question. Do we take up active ugenics and risk the worse excesses that that can bring? or Do we carry on now with the passive ugenics of the wealthfare state and modify our species towards a slow degeneration? No easy answer to that one. Edit-Gah my spelling has gone to pot and i am too tired to correct it. Read my jibberish if you dare. ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 22:21:49 Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 11:54:40 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 11:02:05 Everyone steralised at early puberty with a small quantity of their sperm/eggs stored away. To get it back you have to be 1.In a stable job 2.In a stable relationship 3.Tested as psychologically capable of being a parent SIEG HEIL! In all seriousness, as idealistic as some of these systems might be, they violate good genetic protocol. People NEED to ** like rabbits for the continuation of the species in the face of disaster. This is because genetic traits that would aid survivability in some individuals (e.g. a compentant anti-viral immune system) should the circumstances change (e.g. a supervirus spreads across your continent) need to be created and maintained even if not useful. The more ***** is going on, the more variations of our species are produced and this is very good for adaptive survivability in the face of distaster. Speciation is very very important and requires a large reproductive base. Doesnt work in civilised countries with a civil support system. Those who are not optimally predispositioned for survival survive and breed and unfortunatly tend to breed alot more then those who succeed. From a personal, humane point of view helping and supporting those who are either physically, mentally or psychologically incapable of being a productive member of society is the right thing to do. From the point of view of the health of society and the species as a whole, we are commiting a slow suicide as our own artificaly created conditions are modifying our citizens on a very fundimental basis far more than any ugenics advocate could ever hope to. We are, unfortunatly, modifing the our own species with a trend towards the negative. A very tricky philisophical question. Do we take up active ugenics and risk the worse excesses that that can bring? or Do we carry on now with the passive ugenics of the wealthfare state and modify our species towards a slow degeneration? No easy answer to that one. Edit-Gah my spelling has gone to pot and i am too tired to correct it. Read my jibberish if you dare. The greater question than this is that society is becoming decedant and comfotable. Unfortunately that means that the highestn achievers in society atm have a higher homosexuality rate and are more likely to have less children. That cant be good :D. We are approaching the same kind of social implosion that the roman empire had when it encountered similer problems. What can you say but woot! I dont care if society falls lezzers ftw.
Corunna ElMan Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 01:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Alejandro Zapata He, who has only a bachelor's from a public university, has the marbles to call people who work their ass off keeping this country running and wealthy "white trash". They make three times what he does, and he is 'above' them. You don't think there's something wrong with the uneducated making three times what the educated do? Keep in mind that SOMETIMES, elitists actually are better than those they scorn.
Permian	Posted - 2006.07.22 01:37:00 - [46] ***, here in the states you can die for your country* in the military when you turn 18, but you can't buy a beer until you're 21. Apparently alcohol is more dangerous than death. Getting back on topic, how does that bash.org quote go... "take the safety labels off everything and let the problem sort itself out"
nahtoh Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 02:37:00 - [47] Originally by: steveid FYI the couple where middle class white peeps in there 30's. Just dumb as dog**** IMO. As for the "hoodie menace" stuff. Quit reading the daily mirror ffs. Hoodies dont make a person a "chav" and "chav's" arn't bad people. They just haven't the personal kudos and self respect to go there own way in life and not fit in to one of the subsets in society. A bit like the people who wont fly with stabs on any ship no matter what tbh. Crap, had bottles thrown at me this year for not giving one of the little sods a ciggie when he demaned it (was this year), where i used to live i must have imagined the numrous times I had bricks thrown at my flat ond once had 30 (yes 30 give or take a couple) wanting me to come out and "have a square go" ie fight...Just because I looked diffrent and was not a drug user... Mind you in scotland we call them NEDs not chavs...some of us have had actual experiances with these subhuman trash and not pleasnt ones at that... Somedays a rifle and perch used to seem pretty bleeding attractive... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Jacxx	Posted - 2006.07.22 03:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Zapho***n Originally by: Jacxx To quote Greenday: "Been around the world and found only stupid people are breeding" Seems appropriate. Actually thats Flagpole Sitta by Harvey Danger Either or, Paranoia has the same lyrics. Guess just depends on your time frame.
Caelian Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 06:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Caelian on 22/07/2006 06:21:04 Edited by: Caelian on 22/07/2006 06:15:39 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Trouble is it seems the government would like us ALL to be like the chavs - dependant on government handouts so that we all become clients of the state. For example, they actively penalise academic pursuits (top-up fees for university), they persecute landowners (you pay 40% tax while saving up for the house and then your kids pay 40% again when you kick the bucket). They tax every little bit of money that moves so the only way to escape it is to have no money and no job in the first place. That's why chavs are so common these days. It's so difficult to be anything else. No, I'm not a chav. I just thought someone around here ought to be the devil's advocate So your government actively wants you claiming wellfare, and making nothing of your life by penalizing doing well for yourself? That must be an utterly depressing society.
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron It is almost as if they have left school and see no possible future for themselves. Lost and completely dispondent they have children. True these children aren't planned but they aren't prevented either. Half the problem is caused by the benefits system. They have a kid and can sit at home all day doing nothing and getting a small fortune for it if they work the system right. Also many girls realise that with benefits and maintenance from the fathers who they didn't marry, they can be on a far better income than they could if they worked. I know one woman who has 6 kids, all by different fathers. She has over 200 quid a week coming in - Tax free and does absolutely nothing all day. Another I know has two but both have been diagnosed with ADHD and she gets over 300 a week if you include CSA and the various disability benefits she gets for the kids. If they upped the minimum wage in the UK so working would actually be more profitable, people wouldn't be tempted to do that. I defy anyone to say they can live on minimum wage here in the UK, it's just not possible when rent alone takes around 3/4 of your take-home pay. Add bills and council tax etc and it eats your income before you even get to think about the cost of travelling to work. --
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:54:00 - [51] Edited by: Nyphur on 22/07/2006 15:57:20 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot stuff Works perfectly well. Disposition to certain social traits has a genetic influence. Intelligence became a viable competition strategy many thousands of years ago. but my point is that genetic variation in the form of billions of people ******* like bunnies is required for the species to survive against some major disaster. If a disease kills everyone, some people will find they are genetically immune. It doesn't neccecarilly have to be a positive competition strategy at the time. Eugenics will only end up specialising ourselves for the current environment and ignores possible change to that environment that could destroy people suited to it. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Zacheria Malfor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Drizit If they upped the minimum wage in the UK so working would actually be more profitable, people wouldn't be tempted to do that. I defy anyone to say they can live on minimum wage here in the UK, it's just not possible when rent alone takes around 3/4 of your take-home pay. Add bills and council tax etc and it eats your income before you even get to think about the cost of travelling to work. I have to agree with Drizit, in the UK the cost of living is rising, however, the minimum wage just isn't keeping up with that fact. I recall reading that in about 5 years they reckon that the cost of housing in the UK will increase by 50% so I can't really see things getting easier anytime soon. Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Jon Hawkes Gotta love the UK: where you need to buy a license to keep a dog and in America you need to carry a bible at all times or be immediately guilty of thought crime, right?
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Zacheria Malfor Originally by: Drizit If they upped the minimum wage in the UK so working would actually be more profitable, people wouldn't be tempted to do that. I defy anyone to say they can live on minimum wage here in the UK, it's just not possible when rent alone takes around 3/4 of your take-home pay. Add bills and council tax etc and it eats your income before you even get to think about the cost of travelling to work. it will just precipitate a change in culture. In germany i think its something like 60% of the population rent or lease. No reason why we cant be the same. Previously rent was based upon a modifier for a 25 year mortgage. House prices will alter that in the near future with mortgages lasting longer, and for a greater percentage of peeps income. I have to agree with Drizit, in the UK the cost of living is rising, however, the minimum wage just isn't keeping up with that fact. I recall reading that in about 5 years they reckon that the cost of housing in the UK will increase by 50% so I can't really see things getting easier anytime soon.
Preying Mantis	Posted - 2006.07.22 19:53:00 - [55] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Zaphoniggan Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:17:00 - [56] Originally by: Zapho***n Originally by: Jacxx To quote Greenday: "Been around the world and found only stupid people are breeding" Seems appropriate. Actually thats Flagpole Sitta by Harvey Danger I guess its just weird to me to quote a cover of a song instead of the actual song ------------------------------ I refuse to use a sig until my picture is up .... Wait this is a sig

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