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steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.19 20:42:00 - [1] I was at work today and some dumbass couple left there child in the car. The police had to be phoned and a window broke as the child was practically cooked. I'm getting to the point where parents should be made to take a stupidity test before conception. WTF those idiots should be given a ... well god knows, what do you do to people like that?
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 20:45:00 - [2] They didn't give the kid back to the parents, did they?
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:00:00 - [3] yup. cheaky ***** was back in the store a few hours later with her. I was sorely tempted to stick the nut on her.

BH Runner	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:12:00 - [4] Originally by: steveid I'm getting to the point where parents should be made to take a stupidity test before conception. Try looking around the UK currently, with a statement like that you seem to be suggesting that pregnancy is a planned event. From what I can see its not. So they'd all fail the test by not even bothering to show up for it in the first place. [Bug Report Here] - [Contact Us]

lofty29 Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.19 21:36:00 - [5] Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: steveid I'm getting to the point where parents should be made to take a stupidity test before conception. Try looking around the UK currently, with a statement like that you seem to be suggesting that pregnancy is a planned event. From what I can see its not. So they'd all fail the test by not even bothering to show up for it in the first place. Too true. Its quite sickening, knowing the next generation are all accidents --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Lluthiunne Atalaron	Posted - 2006.07.19 22:35:00 - [6] Been saying that for years. You can't smoke till your 16, drink until you are 18 but you can legally have a child at 16. So let me get this straight bringing another life into this world at 16 = okay Having a drink in a bar at the same age NO I do not believe that children should be granted only to the privaleged. But I feel there is something seriously wrong with our culture when girls are leaving school and immediately begin work on their litter. It is almost as if they have left school and see no possible future for themselves. Lost and completely dispondent they have children. True these children aren't planned but they aren't prevented either. That is their life now there kids to be, I think this gives them a sense of purpose. But who here can say at 16 they knew anything, only the dillusional. I would like to think of myself as a particulary well adjusted 16 year old, but in hindsight I knew absolutely nothing, and I have no doubt I will look back on my life in 20years and say the same thing about my 26 year old self. It is a vicious cycle which imho is degenerating our culture. These kids don't stand a chance and neither will there kids. Of course there is always the exception. Before I bought the house im currently living in I lived in a small tenement flat. Begining my current career I scratched away coming back each night to my crummy flat. In the flat above me lived a mother and her 6 children there was no man. Well unless you count the different guys coming and going from the flat every other week. I'd see a guy stagger up the stairs with a bottle under each arm and disappear into the flat. Amongst the din of crying kids and shouting I could hear things all sorts of things that would make your blood boil and your skin crawl. 3 years I lived at that address, I can tell you that there wasn't a day gone by that i didnt want to hurl that awful excuse for a mother from her balcony. I felt so sorry for those kids, but then in 20 years time they will most likely be doing the same thing and i'd hate them all the same. My nonreligious great grandmother said to me after I told her of how angry I was. 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' This and a whole truckload of self restraint kept my mouth shut. lol, the wheel had fallen of one of the buggies it had been repaired by attaching some sort of Tonka truck wheel to it. I kid you not! She couldn't afford to fix a buggy, but she had 'just' enough for her morning liquid breakfast and her weekend escapades. lol sorry guys, eve forums a great place to vent your deamons "What?? I barely tapped him. Old people go down easy."
Scorpyn Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 23:11:00 - [7] Originally by: steveid I was at work today and some dumbass couple left there child in the car. The police had to be phoned and a window broke as the child was practically cooked. I'm getting to the point where parents should be made to take a stupidity test before conception. WTF those idiots should be given a ... well god knows, what do you do to people like that? You're right, it's very dangerous. Someone here in Sweden actually got their child killed that way a while ago. It must be getting a lot worse a lot faster in the warmer countries.
Henrik Yssuts Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 23:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron Been saying that for years. You can't smoke till your 16, drink until you are 18 but you can legally have a child at 16. So let me get this straight bringing another life into this world at 16 = okay Having a drink in a bar at the same age NO I do not believe that children should be granted only to the privaleged. But I feel there is something seriously wrong with our culture when girls are leaving school and immediately begin work on their litter. It is almost as if they have left school and see no possible future for themselves. Lost and completely dispondent they have children. True these children aren't planned but they aren't prevented either. That is their life now there kids to be, I think this gives them a sense of purpose. But who here can say at 16 they knew anything, only the dillusional. I would like to think of myself as a particulary well adjusted 16 year old, but in hindsight I knew absolutely nothing, and I have no doubt I will look back on my life in 20years and say the same thing about my 26 year old self. It is a vicious cycle which imho is degenerating our culture. These kids don't stand a chance and neither will there kids. Of course there is always the exception. Before I bought the house im currently living in I lived in a small tenement flat. Begining my current career I scratched away coming back each night to my crummy flat. In the flat above me lived a mother and her 6 children there was no man. Well unless you count the different guys coming and going from the flat every other week. I'd see a guy stagger up the stairs with a bottle under each arm and disappear into the flat. Amongst the din of crying kids and shouting I could hear things all sorts of things that would make your blood boil and your skin crawl. 3 years I lived at that address, I can tell you that there wasn't a day gone by that i didnt want to hurl that awful excuse for a mother from her balcony. I felt so sorry for those kids, but then in 20 years time they will most likely be doing the same thing and i'd hate them all the same. My nonreligious great grandmother said to me after I told her of how angry I was. 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' This and a whole truckload of self restraint kept my mouth shut. lol, the wheel had fallen of one of the buggies it had been repaired by attaching some sort of Tonka truck wheel to it. I kid you not! She couldn't afford to fix a buggy, but she had 'just' enough for her morning liquid breakfast and her weekend escapades. lol sorry guys, eve forums a great place to vent your deamons what country are you living in, where kids can start smoking and drinking before they even enter college? well, given that i started smoking at 14, and drinking at 15... but that's beside the point. i've seen girls who are makin the babies at the age of 16, and it isn't a pretty sight. all plans for the future (especially completion of high school, mind you) are either put on hold or completely nullified for the sake of caring for one night's mistake with the quarterback of the football team/center of the basketball team/whatever sport where cheerleaders fornicate with the players. oh, and they better hope that the grandparents help to take care of the child, lest the girl be out on the street and the baby either in foster care or in some other dire position no baby should be in. holy crap, that was quite a rant. My name is Henrik, and I live in the American Empire. Designer Baby. Use in sentence "You have a very nice designer baby sir, but mine is immune to cancer." I know a guy who bought a used car once. Two years later, BAM! Herpes.
Xeios	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:13:00 - [9] If i remember correctly the youngest mother in the uk is currently 13? might be 12 an a bit actually but either way its just plain wrong. The smart people keep getting smarter and the dumbass's keep gettin dumber.
Gift Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:54:00 - [10] Just one of the infinite things we are not guaranteed in this life, good parents. Originally by: HippoKing They didn't give the kid back to the parents, did they? and what should have they done? Should parents lose their children as soon as they make one mistake? Sawa's Graphic Fun Time
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:57:00 - [11] Chav scum like that make my skin crawl and stomach churn, I see too many of them, and even though I am only just 17, i can't understand them at all. sig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
SpaceDrake Taleweaver	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:59:00 - [12] When it's that stupid and life-threatening, YES. This happens all the damn time in the U.S., especially south of the Mason-Dixon, and scores of kids die each year like this. But people never wise up. They'll only be in the store a few minutes, get held up, and their strapped-in, unable-to-escape babies are cooked like pot roast. These days, that kind of negligence usually results in a murder charge - but the state cannot legally sterilize someone. Acts like that seriously make me reconsider that position. --- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?... Plays "Amarii Oulasangeri" ingame. Andre got solded!
Ithuriel Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:24:00 - [13] I suggest chemical (or bladed) castration for idiots that do this. Problem is, you know that kid is just gonna grow up to be just as **in stupid and inept as his parents, and will do the same thing to his kids. Breeding rates among meatheaded dip**s far exceed rates amongst intelligent courteous people on this planet, we're all doomed to drown in a roiling sea of stupidity.
Corunna ElMan Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Gift and what should have they done? Should parents lose their children as soon as they make one mistake? Nearly killing your kid through neglect isn't a "mistake", it's jeopardizing the life of a dependent minor. Put the kid in a home with parents who are fit to raise it and sterilize the people who can't care for their own young. Damn it, there are so many people out there that want a child of their own to love but can't have one, while idiots like these pop out babies they don't want.
Gift Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:25:00 - [15] Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver When it's that stupid and life-threatening, YES. Haven't you been reading the news? Everything we do is "stupid & life-threatening". From feeding your kid a bigmac to letting walk home by himself from the bus stop. Wtf makes this so special? Your solution is to send the parent to jail after sterilization and raise the kid in government care? Yeah, then we can just wait 18 years til we have to send him to jail aswel because the government has proven time & time again they are not qualified to do anything much less raise a child. Sawa's Graphic Fun Time
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:27:00 - [16] I advocate a cull of the population. preferably about 95% of the population, ideally....
Tekka Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 01:35:00 - [17] TBH I was a accident. Atleast I didnt have dumbass parents. Though I did fall out the crib when I was little »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Jacxx	Posted - 2006.07.20 04:02:00 - [18] To quote Greenday: "Been around the world and found only stupid people are breeding" Seems appropriate.
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 07:32:00 - [19] For humans, natural selection isn't just surviving to reproduce, it includes raising the offspring so that they also survive to reproduce. If you let your kid die like that, your genes are too damned inferior to be passed on, and the government should enforce nature's decision by perfoming an immediate vasectomy/tubal ligation. Seriously, government-mandated sterilizations should be WAY more common. Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron Been saying that for years. You can't smoke till your 16, drink until you are 18 but you can legally have a child at 16. So let me get this straight bringing another life into this world at 16 = okay Having a drink in a bar at the same age NO In the US, you can elect the government at 18 but you can't buy a beer until 21. There is just NO logic to it. ------------------ Originally by: kieron Buy ISK for RL cash here! Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Naburi NasNaburi Union of Corvus Corax	Posted - 2006.07.20 07:41:00 - [20] Sheesh. I am a mother of 2 girls ( 9 and 6 ) and I didnt even let them play outside in the garden yesterday because the sun was just too brutal. I am in no way an overprotective mother but extreme heat and little kids is a BIG no go for me. Glad the kid made it out alive, just too bad that the so called parents got away so easy.
Crumplecorn Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.20 08:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Suze'Rain I advocate a cull of the population. preferably about 95% of the population, ideally.... I was actually planning a culling for several years, a few of my friends were backing me, but in the end I determined our time was better spent playing video games and letting the world deal with its own problems. Still, I do sorta miss going around telling people 'The Culling is coming'. ---------- Always Up To SomethingÖ One of us is really thick, and I hope its you - Kalaan Oratay
Jernau Gurgeh Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.20 08:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Suze'Rain I advocate a cull of the population. preferably about 95% of the population, ideally.... I assume that you're planning to be in the other 5%? There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.20 09:23:00 - [23] Edited by: Salusa VC on 20/07/2006 09:24:13 Well the situation in the UK can largely be put down to years of liberal socialism and our great welfare state. As long as the state continues to give free hand outs to all those that sit on thier arse and contribute bugger all, what do you expect? You can almost hear it.. "Dont worry Britney, just get pregnant at 16 and you will get free housing and benifet for the rest of your life innit" or "Its not worf me gettin a job. I can earn more on the dole and twocking cars. Even if I get nicked I wont go to prison" Sorry to rant, but the current social situation in the UK is getting dire, and I can only see it getting worse. I am so serious when I say that I am seriously thinking of upping roots and leaving in the next few years never to return. Its a shame really, because the majority of the UK are decent peeps.
elFarto New Order Industries	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Henrik Yssuts Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron snip what country are you living in, where kids can start smoking and drinking before they even enter college? The wonderful United Kingdom...</sarcasm> I think just purging our country of chavs should solve most of the problem. Well, it would solve a few of them at least. Regards elFarto npc.elfarto.com > Ingame NPC database Mal: Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony, a plastic rocket, and one of thoseù Inara: Mal!
Lluthiunne Atalaron	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:44:00 - [25] Edited by: Lluthiunne Atalaron on 20/07/2006 11:44:44 I'am under no illusions that problems of this ilk are not easily solved. But as a previous poster said leaving the UK behind sounds more and more like a good idea. Or maybe just finding a quite village somwhere further north. The country is a dire shambles of a pit hole with few decent areas left to live out your years. If I was 'Da man in charge' I could guarantee that i'd make the world a better place. But I can also guarantee you would not like the transition period. "What?? I barely tapped him. Old people go down easy."
Ombey UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:50:00 - [26] Originally by: elFarto I think just purging our country of chavs should solve most of the problem. Well, it would solve a few of them at least. QFT. A long overdue purge of this parasitic but breeding part of society would solve most petty crime too -- ombeve
Jon Hawkes ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.20 12:09:00 - [27] Gotta love the UK: where you need to buy a license to keep a dog, but ignorant bastards are paid by the tax payer to have bloody kids! Makes me sick.
Jenstruant Fogg	Posted - 2006.07.21 09:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Jon Hawkes Gotta love the UK: where you need to buy a license to keep a dog, but ignorant bastards are paid by the tax payer to have bloody kids! Makes me sick. wtf
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.21 10:01:00 - [29] Originally by: lofty29 Too true. Its quite sickening, knowing the next generation are all accidents Not all. Practice abstenance. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Nicholai Pestot Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 11:02:05 Everyone steralised at early puberty with a small quantity of their sperm/eggs stored away. To get it back you have to be 1.In a stable job 2.In a stable relationship 3.Tested as psychologically capable of being a parent ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:50:00 - [31] Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 11:54:40 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 11:02:05 Everyone steralised at early puberty with a small quantity of their sperm/eggs stored away. To get it back you have to be 1.In a stable job 2.In a stable relationship 3.Tested as psychologically capable of being a parent SIEG HEIL! In all seriousness, as idealistic as some of these systems might be, they violate good genetic protocol. People NEED to ** like rabbits for the continuation of the species in the face of disaster. This is because genetic traits that would aid survivability in some individuals (e.g. a compentant anti-viral immune system) should the circumstances change (e.g. a supervirus spreads across your continent) need to be created and maintained even if not useful. The more ***** is going on, the more variations of our species are produced and this is very good for adaptive survivability in the face of distaster. Speciation is very very important and requires a large reproductive base. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
MadGaz Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:55:00 - [32] I wouldn't even dream of having a kid until I have a steady job. I'd love it if people claiming benefits had to get off their arse and find a job like most decent people. Chavs, common as muck --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:33:00 - [33] Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 12:33:18 Originally by: MadGaz I wouldn't even dream of having a kid until I have a steady job. I'd love it if people claiming benefits had to get off their arse and find a job like most decent people. Chavs, common as muck I think you will find they are better off on benefits as a lot of them "do the double", as in they use benefits to pay the bills and do undeclared work for spending money. Yes, it's despicable. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
ReaperOfSly Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 14:51:00 - [34] Trouble is it seems the government would like us ALL to be like the chavs - dependant on government handouts so that we all become clients of the state. For example, they actively penalise academic pursuits (top-up fees for university), they persecute landowners (you pay 40% tax while saving up for the house and then your kids pay 40% again when you kick the bucket). They tax every little bit of money that moves so the only way to escape it is to have no money and no job in the first place. That's why chavs are so common these days. It's so difficult to be anything else. No, I'm not a chav. I just thought someone around here ought to be the devil's advocate --------------------------------------------------------------------
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.21 15:40:00 - [35] Edited by: Salusa VC on 21/07/2006 15:41:59 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Trouble is it seems the government would like us ALL to be like the chavs - dependant on government handouts so that we all become clients of the state. For example, they actively penalise academic pursuits (top-up fees for university), they persecute landowners (you pay 40% tax while saving up for the house and then your kids pay 40% again when you kick the bucket). They tax every little bit of money that moves so the only way to escape it is to have no money and no job in the first place. That's why chavs are so common these days. It's so difficult to be anything else. No, I'm not a chav. I just thought someone around here ought to be the devil's advocate Well said. All modern countries have to rely on some "milking" of the population to pay for essential services. The only problem is the UK government seem happy enough to rip our udders off rather than suckle us gently.
Alejandro Zapata	Posted - 2006.07.21 17:27:00 - [36] Had to look up what 'chav' meant, and I must say I am very disappointed. Some of you are some pretty elitist little *****s. Where in the original post does it say what class level this person was in, or what they were like? How do you know it wasn't some fairly wealthy white couple. I have met people like you, and they disgust me. Friend of my wife was complaining about the new town they live in. Telling me about the aircraft aluminium plant and the automobile factories, and then with contempt, says "you know, a bunch of uneducated white trash." I was very close to kicking this puke out of my house. He, who has only a bachelor's from a public university, has the marbles to call people who work their ass off keeping this country running and wealthy "white trash". They make three times what he does, and he is 'above' them. You elitist pukes make me sick. Perhaps it is people like YOU that should be sterilized, that way we can stamp out your way of thinking once and for all. Pssshhht, why hasn't this been locked yet CCP, or do you think along the same lines?
OmegaChief Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 18:08:00 - [37] You misunderstand, Chavs are not white trash, white trash are the royal family compared with chavs. Reading a description is one thing, but you try living here, and every time you walk past a street corner seeing a modified car thumbing out music with a crow of people with hooded tops and baseball caps on coated with "Bling". And as you walk past theres a 50/50 chance you'll get mugged or even killed, all because your different. That is living with chavs, you do that and tell me we're elitest
Zaphoniggan Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.21 18:20:00 - [38] Originally by: Jacxx To quote Greenday: "Been around the world and found only stupid people are breeding" Seems appropriate. Actually thats Flagpole Sitta by Harvey Danger ------------------------------ I refuse to use a sig until my picture is up .... Wait this is a sig
Trepkos Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.21 19:04:00 - [39] Originally by: OmegaChief You misunderstand, Chavs are not white trash, white trash are the royal family compared with chavs. Reading a description is one thing, but you try living here, and every time you walk past a street corner seeing a modified car thumbing out music with a crow of people with hooded tops and baseball caps on coated with "Bling". And as you walk past theres a 50/50 chance you'll get mugged or even killed, all because your different. That is living with chavs, you do that and tell me we're elitest Heh, sounds like the average neighborhood in the US. -------- ANGEL DEEP CORPORATION
ReaperOfSly Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 21:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Alejandro Zapata Had to look up what 'chav' meant, and I must say I am very disappointed. Some of you are some pretty elitist little ****s. Where in the original post does it say what class level this person was in, or what they were like? How do you know it wasn't some fairly wealthy white couple. I have met people like you, and they disgust me. Friend of my wife was complaining about the new town they live in. Telling me about the aircraft aluminium plant and the automobile factories, and then with contempt, says "you know, a bunch of uneducated white trash." I was very close to kicking this puke out of my house. He, who has only a bachelor's from a public university, has the marbles to call people who work their ass off keeping this country running and wealthy "white trash". They make three times what he does, and he is 'above' them. You elitist pukes make me sick. Perhaps it is people like YOU that should be sterilized, that way we can stamp out your way of thinking once and for all. Pssshhht, why hasn't this been locked yet CCP, or do you think along the same lines? I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "chav". It's not a matter of poverty or circumstances. They choose* to be viscious thugs who hang around in hoodies to hide their face while they eye up passers-by to see if they are a good target for a mugging. They do not "work their ass off". They claim benefits. That's what "chav" means. "Council Housed And Violent". You can wear as much "bling" and burberry as you like, but if you're an honest hard working person, you are not a chav. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Phrixus Zephyr Omega Corp	Posted - 2006.07.21 21:52:00 - [41] Originally by: ReaperOfSly I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "chav". It's not a matter of poverty or circumstances. They choose to be viscious thugs who hang around in hoodies to hide their face while they eye up passers-by to see if they are a good target for a mugging. They do not "work their ass off". They claim benefits. That's what "chav" means. "Council Housed And Violent". You can wear as much "bling" and burberry as you like, but if you're an honest hard working person, you are not a chav. QTF Originally by: Remedial ...not to BoB or BoB fans or People Who Have An Opinion About BoB, and certainly not the Chief BoB Forum Prostitutes...
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:04:00 - [42] FYI the couple where middle class white peeps in there 30's. Just dumb as dog**** IMO. As for the "hoodie menace" stuff. Quit reading the daily mirror ffs. Hoodies dont make a person a "chav" and "chav's" arn't bad people. They just haven't the personal kudos and self respect to go there own way in life and not fit in to one of the subsets in society. A bit like the people who wont fly with stabs on any ship no matter what tbh.
Nicholai Pestot Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 22:21:49 Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 11:54:40 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 11:02:05 Everyone steralised at early puberty with a small quantity of their sperm/eggs stored away. To get it back you have to be 1.In a stable job 2.In a stable relationship 3.Tested as psychologically capable of being a parent SIEG HEIL! In all seriousness, as idealistic as some of these systems might be, they violate good genetic protocol. People NEED to ** like rabbits for the continuation of the species in the face of disaster. This is because genetic traits that would aid survivability in some individuals (e.g. a compentant anti-viral immune system) should the circumstances change (e.g. a supervirus spreads across your continent) need to be created and maintained even if not useful. The more ***** is going on, the more variations of our species are produced and this is very good for adaptive survivability in the face of distaster. Speciation is very very important and requires a large reproductive base. Doesnt work in civilised countries with a civil support system. Those who are not optimally predispositioned for survival survive and breed and unfortunatly tend to breed alot more then those who succeed. From a personal, humane point of view helping and supporting those who are either physically, mentally or psychologically incapable of being a productive member of society is the right thing to do. From the point of view of the health of society and the species as a whole, we are commiting a slow suicide as our own artificaly created conditions are modifying our citizens on a very fundimental basis far more than any ugenics advocate could ever hope to. We are, unfortunatly, modifing the our own species with a trend towards the negative. A very tricky philisophical question. Do we take up active ugenics and risk the worse excesses that that can bring? or Do we carry on now with the passive ugenics of the wealthfare state and modify our species towards a slow degeneration? No easy answer to that one. Edit-Gah my spelling has gone to pot and i am too tired to correct it. Read my jibberish if you dare. ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 22:21:49 Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 11:54:40 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 21/07/2006 11:02:05 Everyone steralised at early puberty with a small quantity of their sperm/eggs stored away. To get it back you have to be 1.In a stable job 2.In a stable relationship 3.Tested as psychologically capable of being a parent SIEG HEIL! In all seriousness, as idealistic as some of these systems might be, they violate good genetic protocol. People NEED to ** like rabbits for the continuation of the species in the face of disaster. This is because genetic traits that would aid survivability in some individuals (e.g. a compentant anti-viral immune system) should the circumstances change (e.g. a supervirus spreads across your continent) need to be created and maintained even if not useful. The more ***** is going on, the more variations of our species are produced and this is very good for adaptive survivability in the face of distaster. Speciation is very very important and requires a large reproductive base. Doesnt work in civilised countries with a civil support system. Those who are not optimally predispositioned for survival survive and breed and unfortunatly tend to breed alot more then those who succeed. From a personal, humane point of view helping and supporting those who are either physically, mentally or psychologically incapable of being a productive member of society is the right thing to do. From the point of view of the health of society and the species as a whole, we are commiting a slow suicide as our own artificaly created conditions are modifying our citizens on a very fundimental basis far more than any ugenics advocate could ever hope to. We are, unfortunatly, modifing the our own species with a trend towards the negative. A very tricky philisophical question. Do we take up active ugenics and risk the worse excesses that that can bring? or Do we carry on now with the passive ugenics of the wealthfare state and modify our species towards a slow degeneration? No easy answer to that one. Edit-Gah my spelling has gone to pot and i am too tired to correct it. Read my jibberish if you dare. The greater question than this is that society is becoming decedant and comfotable. Unfortunately that means that the highestn achievers in society atm have a higher homosexuality rate and are more likely to have less children. That cant be good :D. We are approaching the same kind of social implosion that the roman empire had when it encountered similer problems. What can you say but woot! I dont care if society falls lezzers ftw.
Corunna ElMan Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 01:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Alejandro Zapata He, who has only a bachelor's from a public university, has the marbles to call people who work their ass off keeping this country running and wealthy "white trash". They make three times what he does, and he is 'above' them. You don't think there's something wrong with the uneducated making three times what the educated do? Keep in mind that SOMETIMES, elitists actually are better than those they scorn.
Permian	Posted - 2006.07.22 01:37:00 - [46] ***, here in the states you can die for your country* in the military when you turn 18, but you can't buy a beer until you're 21. Apparently alcohol is more dangerous than death. Getting back on topic, how does that bash.org quote go... "take the safety labels off everything and let the problem sort itself out"
nahtoh Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 02:37:00 - [47] Originally by: steveid FYI the couple where middle class white peeps in there 30's. Just dumb as dog**** IMO. As for the "hoodie menace" stuff. Quit reading the daily mirror ffs. Hoodies dont make a person a "chav" and "chav's" arn't bad people. They just haven't the personal kudos and self respect to go there own way in life and not fit in to one of the subsets in society. A bit like the people who wont fly with stabs on any ship no matter what tbh. Crap, had bottles thrown at me this year for not giving one of the little sods a ciggie when he demaned it (was this year), where i used to live i must have imagined the numrous times I had bricks thrown at my flat ond once had 30 (yes 30 give or take a couple) wanting me to come out and "have a square go" ie fight...Just because I looked diffrent and was not a drug user... Mind you in scotland we call them NEDs not chavs...some of us have had actual experiances with these subhuman trash and not pleasnt ones at that... Somedays a rifle and perch used to seem pretty bleeding attractive... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Jacxx	Posted - 2006.07.22 03:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Zapho***n Originally by: Jacxx To quote Greenday: "Been around the world and found only stupid people are breeding" Seems appropriate. Actually thats Flagpole Sitta by Harvey Danger Either or, Paranoia has the same lyrics. Guess just depends on your time frame.
Caelian Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 06:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Caelian on 22/07/2006 06:21:04 Edited by: Caelian on 22/07/2006 06:15:39 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Trouble is it seems the government would like us ALL to be like the chavs - dependant on government handouts so that we all become clients of the state. For example, they actively penalise academic pursuits (top-up fees for university), they persecute landowners (you pay 40% tax while saving up for the house and then your kids pay 40% again when you kick the bucket). They tax every little bit of money that moves so the only way to escape it is to have no money and no job in the first place. That's why chavs are so common these days. It's so difficult to be anything else. No, I'm not a chav. I just thought someone around here ought to be the devil's advocate So your government actively wants you claiming wellfare, and making nothing of your life by penalizing doing well for yourself? That must be an utterly depressing society.
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron It is almost as if they have left school and see no possible future for themselves. Lost and completely dispondent they have children. True these children aren't planned but they aren't prevented either. Half the problem is caused by the benefits system. They have a kid and can sit at home all day doing nothing and getting a small fortune for it if they work the system right. Also many girls realise that with benefits and maintenance from the fathers who they didn't marry, they can be on a far better income than they could if they worked. I know one woman who has 6 kids, all by different fathers. She has over 200 quid a week coming in - Tax free and does absolutely nothing all day. Another I know has two but both have been diagnosed with ADHD and she gets over 300 a week if you include CSA and the various disability benefits she gets for the kids. If they upped the minimum wage in the UK so working would actually be more profitable, people wouldn't be tempted to do that. I defy anyone to say they can live on minimum wage here in the UK, it's just not possible when rent alone takes around 3/4 of your take-home pay. Add bills and council tax etc and it eats your income before you even get to think about the cost of travelling to work. --
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:54:00 - [51] Edited by: Nyphur on 22/07/2006 15:57:20 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot stuff Works perfectly well. Disposition to certain social traits has a genetic influence. Intelligence became a viable competition strategy many thousands of years ago. but my point is that genetic variation in the form of billions of people ******* like bunnies is required for the species to survive against some major disaster. If a disease kills everyone, some people will find they are genetically immune. It doesn't neccecarilly have to be a positive competition strategy at the time. Eugenics will only end up specialising ourselves for the current environment and ignores possible change to that environment that could destroy people suited to it. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Zacheria Malfor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Drizit If they upped the minimum wage in the UK so working would actually be more profitable, people wouldn't be tempted to do that. I defy anyone to say they can live on minimum wage here in the UK, it's just not possible when rent alone takes around 3/4 of your take-home pay. Add bills and council tax etc and it eats your income before you even get to think about the cost of travelling to work. I have to agree with Drizit, in the UK the cost of living is rising, however, the minimum wage just isn't keeping up with that fact. I recall reading that in about 5 years they reckon that the cost of housing in the UK will increase by 50% so I can't really see things getting easier anytime soon. Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Jon Hawkes Gotta love the UK: where you need to buy a license to keep a dog and in America you need to carry a bible at all times or be immediately guilty of thought crime, right?
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Zacheria Malfor Originally by: Drizit If they upped the minimum wage in the UK so working would actually be more profitable, people wouldn't be tempted to do that. I defy anyone to say they can live on minimum wage here in the UK, it's just not possible when rent alone takes around 3/4 of your take-home pay. Add bills and council tax etc and it eats your income before you even get to think about the cost of travelling to work. it will just precipitate a change in culture. In germany i think its something like 60% of the population rent or lease. No reason why we cant be the same. Previously rent was based upon a modifier for a 25 year mortgage. House prices will alter that in the near future with mortgages lasting longer, and for a greater percentage of peeps income. I have to agree with Drizit, in the UK the cost of living is rising, however, the minimum wage just isn't keeping up with that fact. I recall reading that in about 5 years they reckon that the cost of housing in the UK will increase by 50% so I can't really see things getting easier anytime soon.
Preying Mantis	Posted - 2006.07.22 19:53:00 - [55] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Zaphoniggan Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:17:00 - [56] Originally by: Zapho***n Originally by: Jacxx To quote Greenday: "Been around the world and found only stupid people are breeding" Seems appropriate. Actually thats Flagpole Sitta by Harvey Danger I guess its just weird to me to quote a cover of a song instead of the actual song ------------------------------ I refuse to use a sig until my picture is up .... Wait this is a sig

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