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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:50:00 -
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Oh well, looks like some people are going to struggle to scan down their 10/10s. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1630
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:50:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:You can't warp off everytime another ship enters the belt, other people do actually be in belts for purposes other then mining. And if you had any clue about mining, you would know that it takes a hulk in excess of 20 seconds to align and warp off anyways. And as for the notion of remaining aligned a 3/4 speed?!?!?!? Why do wanna-be (carebear) pvper's always come up with the most ******** ideas?? Because if it's stupid but works, it's not stupid.
GǪand it works.
Quote:Why don't you all grow a pair. What for? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:56:00 -
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Denidil wrote:bitters much wrote:Victim: Corp: Alliance: Faction: Destroyed: Iteron Mark III System: Inaro Security: 0.8 Damage Taken: 1668
Involved parties:
Name: Security: Corp: Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Tempest Weapon: 1400mm Prototype I Siege Cannon Damage Done: 1668
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2 Giant Secure Container (Cargo) Sisters Core Scanner Probe, Qty: 24081 (Cargo)
So the OP thinks that a player who undocks 16.8bil in an untanked T1 Industrial shouldnt be harmed ? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11577648
Man the loot gods hate him 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me! |

Lord Ryan
True Xero
112
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:57:00 -
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Amazing! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Jita Alt666
571
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:58:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:
More ******** comments.
You can't warp off everytime another ship enters the belt, other people do actually be in belts for purposes other then mining. And if you had any clue about mining, you would know that it takes a hulk in excess of 20 seconds to align and warp off anyways. And as for the notion of remaining aligned a 3/4 speed?!?!?!? Why do wanna-be (carebear) pvper's always come up with the most ******** ideas??
Here is the real tragedy: what passes for pvp in hi-sec involves only shooting ships that, as I've pointed out elsewhere, are nortorous for not having any guns fitted.
Sad.
But anyways, as per the ******** comment above, how long before the goons hit on that one and afk park a Tier III BC in every hi-sec belt in New-Eden?
Why don't you all grow a pair.
1. You need to utilise EFT to understand the complete range of options when fitting ships. Align and warp in excess of 20 seconds - fit in a manner that equates to an easy target. 2. Ganking is a type of PVP. It is not the total sum of high sec PVP. It is merely the most common form of non-consensual PVP in high sec space. 3. 800ish high sec systems. Average of 9 belts per system. 4500 alts on line at a time to cover belts. Would make a juicy wardec target - that would make it High Sec PVP.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
37
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:10:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote: 2. Ganking is a type of PVP. It is not the total sum of high sec PVP. It is merely the most common form of non-consensual PVP in high sec space.
I know, pathetic, isn't it. I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg |

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
37
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:You can't warp off everytime another ship enters the belt, other people do actually be in belts for purposes other then mining. And if you had any clue about mining, you would know that it takes a hulk in excess of 20 seconds to align and warp off anyways. And as for the notion of remaining aligned a 3/4 speed?!?!?!? Why do wanna-be (carebear) pvper's always come up with the most ******** ideas?? Because if it's stupid but works, it's not stupid
Ok, jet-can mining stationary asteroids while constantly moving...... I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1630
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:40:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Ok, jet-can mining stationary asteroids while constantly moving......  So don't mine into a jet can, or have someone pick them up. The stationary nature of the asteroids isn't a problem. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
37
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Ok, jet-can mining stationary asteroids while constantly moving......  So don't mine into a jet can, or have someone pick them up. The stationary nature of the asteroids isn't a problem.
You must be quite the mining God Tippia.....once you gave up ganking incursion guardians... I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1630
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:01:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:You must be quite the mining God Tippia.....once you gave up ganking incursion guardians... You've got the chronology a bit mixed up, but yes. I'm indeed a mining God (but more of the deist kind).
Fortunately, you don't need to be one to do what's being suggested. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Jita Alt666
571
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:06:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote: 2. Ganking is a type of PVP. It is not the total sum of high sec PVP. It is merely the most common form of non-consensual PVP in high sec space.
I know, pathetic, isn't it.
It is only as pathetic as the people who know how and what occurs and choose to do no more than whine.
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
64
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:09:00 -
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1-Up Mushroom wrote:Denidil wrote:bitters much wrote:Victim: Corp: Alliance: Faction: Destroyed: Iteron Mark III System: Inaro Security: 0.8 Damage Taken: 1668
Involved parties:
Name: Security: Corp: Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Tempest Weapon: 1400mm Prototype I Siege Cannon Damage Done: 1668
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2 Giant Secure Container (Cargo) Sisters Core Scanner Probe, Qty: 24081 (Cargo)
So the OP thinks that a player who undocks 16.8bil in an untanked T1 Industrial shouldnt be harmed ? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11577648 Man the loot gods hate him
This, IMO, is exactly why insurance should have never changed.
A) Ganker is guaranteed to die and take a sec hit, due to infallible, unrealistic Concord. B) Target, on the other hand, is NOT guaranteed to die. C) If the target DOES die, its not guaranteed to drop anything.
Remove insurance - fine - but then NERF the evil loot gods - make all goodies drop!
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
58
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:21:00 -
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bitters much wrote:Victim: Corp: Alliance: Faction: Destroyed: Iteron Mark III System: Inaro Security: 0.8 Damage Taken: 1668
Involved parties:
Name: Security: Corp: Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Tempest Weapon: 1400mm Prototype I Siege Cannon Damage Done: 1668
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2 Giant Secure Container (Cargo) Sisters Core Scanner Probe, Qty: 24081 (Cargo)
So the OP thinks that a player who undocks 16.8bil in an untanked T1 Industrial shouldnt be harmed ?
Actually the OP thinks that these ships are going to be so cheap that players will use them to gank all the time.
A tempest may run a few mill more than one of these new BC's - they have battleship class price tags on them due to material costs (and it'll be a while until researched BPO's are done up).
CONCORD incidents won't pay insurance anymore so this composite will make these BC's even more costly losses than using an alpha Maelstrom to gank today.
If gankers are too cheap to fly heavy fit ships today, what the hell makes the OP think they'll be willing to cough up that much "per kill" AFTER these ships comes out? |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
191
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:01:00 -
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Well thought out sentences! Punctuation!
Your level of education really impresses me. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
191
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:02:00 -
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Oh btw, the best part is that gankers drive the prices up, hence miners/producers get quite some money for them. ^^ |

Jojo Jackson
11
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:18:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:2. Ganking is a type of PVP.
Wrong, never was, never will be.
You ask why? Use your brain and you might get why.
Hint: doesn't matter if you shot a empty ship in space or and hauler with a Pilot, both have the same tools to defend them selve. - ALL T1 industrial ships are fail when it comes to fitting abilitys - no anti-cargoscan item which they can use -> FAIL balance - no anti-passive-targeter item -> FAIL balance
You know balance? It's easz stuff, ever tool must have it's anti tool! ECM <-> ECCM dampener <-> booster AB <-> web MWD <-> scrambler tracking comp <-> tracking disrupt THIS IS BALANCE!
Cool when you can fit oversizde largh shield extender even on fight-frigats but not on medium size hauler/miner hulls -> FAIL balance Cool when you can fit oversized 1600 plates on cruisers but not 400 plates on med size haulers/miners -> FAIL balance
I can understand, when industrials get no weapons ... but there is NO reason to not allow them propper tools to defend their goods!
All your childish problems with FW, 00, null are unimportant compared to this designe FAIL from CCP which must have highest priority to be fixed.
And just for you again: ganking is NO PvP! |

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
37
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:23:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote: 2. Ganking is a type of PVP. It is not the total sum of high sec PVP. It is merely the most common form of non-consensual PVP in high sec space.
I know, pathetic, isn't it. It is only as pathetic as the people who know how and what occurs and choose to do no more than whine.
Unless you remain docked indefinatly, you cannot, and never will be able to, prevent being ganked. Gankers will just use a bigger ship, or more ships or whatever.
This is of course despite all the ******** "solutions" that said (fail-wanna-be-carebear-pvper) gankers inevidably come up with to comfort themsleves from what they truely are:
Pathetic, that pvp for you is only shooting ships that never shoot back.
In short, you fail at Eve. I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg |

Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
36
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:26:00 -
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missbob wrote:sorry Handsome ******* i had ship longer than you played
You are, quite literally, a tool. |

Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:28:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote: stupid stuff
You deside to do a CRIME.
CONCORD catches you.
You REALY expect you should get anything at all???? Wow, that's hot .
Let's imagin: Someone make a bank robbery. Police catches him.
Police is so kind and says:" we got you but hey, noone cares, here is the money .... oh and sorry that we destroyed the car which you used for it ... let us buy you a new one".
ROFL ???
RLY ????
You my little wannabe rambo friend ... desever to get ... NOTHING! NO loot, NO insurence payout, NO refound of anything as soon as the police (CONCORD) kills you!
PS: I even go further. YOU should have to pay all the stuff that is lost! |

Jita Alt666
571
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:39:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote: 2. Ganking is a type of PVP. It is not the total sum of high sec PVP. It is merely the most common form of non-consensual PVP in high sec space.
I know, pathetic, isn't it. It is only as pathetic as the people who know how and what occurs and choose to do no more than whine. Unless you remain docked indefinatly, you cannot, and never will be able to, prevent being ganked. Gankers will just use a bigger ship, or more ships or whatever. This is of course despite all the ******** "solutions" that said (fail-wanna-be-carebear-pvper) gankers inevidably come up with to comfort themsleves from what they truely are: Pathetic, that pvp for you is only shooting ships that never shoot back. In short, you fail at Eve.
Hahaha. I like your shoot the messenger approach. I do not suicide gank. Like many things in Eve I have taken the time to learn ganking and therefore form an informed viewpoint.
I also very rarely come across gankers who wish to target my alts; don't transport items of extreme value, always fly what you can afford to lose, don't idle in stupid places, understand that by undocking you are consenting to be a target.
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Majora Veneris
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:41:00 -
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woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow i didn't think butthurt levels could BE this high.
first off, comparing EVE to RL=fail. regardless of what CCP says, EVE is NOT real. its a computer game.
Second, Ganking IS P(layer)V(ersus)P(layer) consentual or not, Its still 2 players in combat.
Finally, jeez i know when it comes to spelling i can be a complete and utter ****** some (most) of the time, but at least TRY. |

Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
138
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:41:00 -
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A new gank ship is indeed coming with the next patch, but it most certainly is not one of the new T3 cruisers.
Hint: It rhymes with masher. |

Jita Alt666
571
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:44:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:2. Ganking is a type of PVP.
Wrong, never was, never will be. You ask why? Use your brain and you might get why. Hint: doesn't matter if you shot a empty ship in space or and hauler with a Pilot, both have the same tools to defend them selve. - ALL T1 industrial ships are fail when it comes to fitting abilitys - no anti-cargoscan item which they can use -> FAIL balance - no anti-passive-targeter item -> FAIL balance You know balance? It's easz stuff, ever tool must have it's anti tool! ECM <-> ECCM dampener <-> booster AB <-> web MWD <-> scrambler tracking comp <-> tracking disrupt THIS IS BALANCE!Cool when you can fit oversizde largh shield extender even on fight-frigats but not on medium size hauler/miner hulls -> FAIL balance Cool when you can fit oversized 1600 plates on cruisers but not 400 plates on med size haulers/miners -> FAIL balance I can understand, when industrials get no weapons ... but there is NO reason to not allow them propper tools to defend their goods! All your childish problems with FW, 00, null are unimportant compared to this designe FAIL from CCP which must have highest priority to be fixed. And just for you again: ganking is NO PvP!
PVP = player vs player. PVP=/= honourable fair player vs honourable fair player
While you can argue that players who seek to capitalise on an unbalanced mechanic are weak, you can not dispute the fact the ganking is a player vs player activity. |

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
64
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:46:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote: stupid stuff
You deside to do a CRIME. CONCORD catches you. You REALY expect you should get anything at all???? Wow, that's hot  . Let's imagin: Someone make a bank robbery. Police catches him. Police is so kind and says:" we got you but hey, noone cares, here is the money .... oh and sorry that we destroyed the car which you used for it ... let us buy you a new one". ROFL ??? RLY ???? You my little wannabe rambo friend ... desever to get ... NOTHING! NO loot, NO insurence payout, NO refound of anything as soon as the police (CONCORD) kills you! PS: I even go further. YOU should have to pay all the stuff that is lost!
Haha. Fail. for trying to use real life arguments. I'll cleverly use your argument against you. even if the mere act of expending the energy to reply to such stupidity is fail, in and of itself.
1. So I rig my car to selfdestruct with dynamite. Or I just smash it up with a crowbar. Then I walk down to the insurance company and get money. This happens in Eve.
2. So I buy a brand new Chevy Silverado, mount a .50 cal machine gun in the back and take it to Libya. It gets pwned by a mortar round, so I go to the insurance company and ask for money and get it. This happens in EVE.
Solution: Remove all insurance, as no insurance company would ever insure warships (or indeed, ANY ships) that are entering a warzone. And all of EVE is a warzone, highsec or not.
Interestingly, IRL, I can insure my vehicle for theft, yet if someone manages to steal my ship from a corp hangar, I get nothing.
TLDR; jojo jackson is an idiot, and I'm stupid for even bothering to refute his argument.
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Jojo Jackson
11
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:52:00 -
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Majora Veneris wrote:woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow i didn't think butthurt levels could BE this high. first off, comparing EVE to RL=fail. regardless of what CCP says, EVE is NOT real. its a computer game. Second, Ganking IS P(layer)V(ersus)P(layer) consentual or not, Its still 2 players in combat. Finally, jeez i know when it comes to spelling i can be a complete and utter ****** some (most) of the time, but at least TRY. So damn wrong.
It is NOT 2 players in combat as this would mean, BOTH can active act & re-act ... which is NOT the case! You have ONE who can act and another one who can do NOTHING as in most cases he don't even see what happens (loading screen/lag).
So as this is "just" a game it mean "**** off all fair play and all rules"? If I check this forum it's the "PvP comunity" which crys hardcore for "BALANCE" all the time.
But as it seams ... balance is just important if it favors your playstyle ... right?
And my spelling is fine as long as people understand the sense which they do. |

missbob
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:53:00 -
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If gankers are too cheap to fly heavy fit ships today, what the hell makes the OP think they'll be willing to cough up that much "per kill" AFTER these ships comes out?[/quote]
price of the new ship at Me 0 oracle=46.5mill not that good nage = 47.6mill not that good talos = 52.9mill good ship or is that goon ship tornado = 40.5mill ship of the day get some ME's on it you looking at 36mill ship
if your like
Alliance: HYDRA RELOADED
you use 2 Hurricane =52mill for the 2 and seeing the new BC puts out 3 time the dps of a tengu ganking is bad now when the new BC comes out it will get v.bad it be world of warcraft opps eve world of ganking |

Handsome Hussein
113
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:57:00 -
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WARNING: THREAD REACHING MAXIMUM LEVELS OF BUTT-HURT, IDIOCY, AND LACK OF LANGUAGE SKILLS! Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |

Jojo Jackson
11
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:01:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:PVP = player vs player.
And as it doesn't matter if the one side actual has a pilot at all (target) ... you can simply place a empty ship instead .... and with this it is NO PvP anymore.
IF you want to compare it with other activitys, then the one thing which comes closest is ..... Mining Active tools against not defending and not moving target
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Majora Veneris
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:05:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote: It is NOT 2 players in combat as this would mean, BOTH can active act & re-act ... which is NOT the case! You have ONE who can act and another one who can do NOTHING as in most cases he don't even see what happens (loading screen/lag).
So as this is "just" a game it mean "**** off all fair play and all rules"? If I check this forum it's the "PvP comunity" which crys hardcore for "BALANCE" all the time.
But as it seams ... balance is just important if it favors your playstyle ... right?
And my spelling is fine as long as people understand the sense which they do.
Cant believe im responding...again...but PVP is player vs player. says nothing about if each player wants the combat, nothing about fairness, ect. just PLAYER VS PLAYER. i think ganking qualifies as that.
as to the **** off fair play and the rules, what they are doing IS within the rules of the game. YOU may not like it, but it is indeed part of the game. suck it up and deal with it, or move on.
As far as balance favoring MY playstyle...well, ill say this. im a carebear...bigtime. got less than 10 kills to my name in all of 5 years of playing EVE. (with almost a year spent in null to boot, hah) So, does ganking favor my playstyle? nope. but its part of what makes EVE EVE. If im stupid enough to undock in a loot pinata Tengu/faction BS/whatever and not pay attention, i deserve to be on the receiving end of a bunch of 1400mm turrets. Without the threat of stupidly DIAF, what ive earned is meaningless. |

Jojo Jackson
11
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:08:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:LACK OF LANGUAGE SKILLS! Just jung children and people without arguments try to TROLL about other peoples english.
BAD attampt. Get some arguments or shut up child.
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