But they are separate entities

(that just fight side by side in most things)

Ah, we're still playing the game where we pretend like they're different things?

Gotcha.

Fights for the sake of fights are still very much a thing. Killboards can easily verify this. It's not about that, because we already have that.
This thread is specifically pointing at the fact that sov isn't changing hands. Since that's the case, even though fights are still going, it tells me that the problem is with the sov mechanics as well, not just the players. Regardless of how much time we may invest into this game, it's still just that, a game. Popping ihubs with siege bombers is no one's idea of a good time. Dropping supers for it would be ridiculous, considering what I already said, about the coming sov changes being little more than rumor.
I don't know about you, but I am not cool with the idea of putting hundreds of billions of ISK in alliance assets at risk, to tool with a system that might be completely different in a few months.

It seems to me that there has to be a really difficult balancing act here. If sov can change hands overnight, then why invest in obtaining it? There has to be some level of stability after you obtain sov in order to make people want to get it.

I have to wonder, in terms of game balance--forget about the individual mechanics for now--how often do you think sov systems should be changing hands? To me that sounds like a terrible way to define game mechanics, but that's the end result that everyone seems upset about. Not enough changing of sov.

Well, define the goal. How many systems per day/week/month/year do you think should be shifting? What would be enough change to make you feel like things aren't static? People seem to be after a different big-picture outcome without regard for the actual mechanics. It's kind of a classic debate between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. You want a different outcome regardless of the opportunity? Well, let's just get right down to it and start there at the end goal you wish to see and work backwards to game mechanics from there.

N3 is where the action is?

What you posted is the same apologist nullsec blobmonkey propaganda

"Dear CCP,

Nullsec is broken - and it's all your fault.
You put too much EHP on sov stuctures.
You created supers so laughably imbalanced we were forced to play with them.
Then someone noticed blobbing. So we did that too.
We touched each other for a bit. We farmed. We're bored.
THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT, AND WE DEMAND YOU FIX THIS SYSTEM, SO THAT WE CAN PLAY PROPERLY. WITH EACH OTHER. FOR IMMERSION

signed,
EliteForumCarebearBitterVets

ps. Can we have some more money"

If you have any ability to be honest, you'll admit that I never said anyhting of the sort. Especially the EHP part, pre-Dominon sov had MORE ehp to kill. One of the problems with Dominon SOV is CCP tried to 'streamline' things. They did, and players streamlineed into 2 super powers. Thinking like this did not help along with additions to the game that did not take the rest of the game into consideration (the Incursions system, FW rewards and Wormholes).

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your ranting and anti-null prejudice.

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

The miners are gathering material as they should.

Not quite, no.

You know what I meant, you little minx.

Null is killing the game right now.

The miners are gathering material as they should.
The builders are building the ships as they should.
Null is not destroying anything.

You need all three sides of the triangle to keep the economy alive and the sov alliances are dropping the ball on their end.

War, brothers and sisters. War. Lets get this show on the road. Not some piddly little skirmishes and not some lame once in a while battle. What we need is a solid six months of all out alliancide.

Make it happen.

Mr Epeen

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

What people forget is that SOV before Dominion sucked even more than it does now. The POS grind was beyond insane, it's a cake walk now in comparison.

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

Make all resources finite.

I don't understand how you could possibly think that that's a good idea. Yeah, let's definitely implement a game mechanic that sets an upper limit on how long this game can last.

It's time for a war.

Null is killing the game right now.

The miners are gathering material as they should.
The builders are building the ships as they should.
Null is not destroying anything.

You need all three sides of the triangle to keep the economy alive and the sov alliances are dropping the ball on their end.

War, brothers and sisters. War. Lets get this show on the road. Not some piddly little skirmishes and not some lame once in a while battle. What we need is a solid six months of all out alliancide.

Make it happen.

Mr Epeen

I think he is referring to the case that you find some moon mins, explore them and after a few days/months, the deposit ends. Pretty much what happens in all natural resources industrys.

In the game you could easily implement this mechanic based on a random factor, chance based and according with the moon types. The R64 Moons would have better depots and the lowest worst depots. But the depots them selves of mins would be chance based and randomly deployed thru the entire galaxy.

That would mean you could have a thulium depot in a Tribute Region system that would last for let's say 90 days of exploration and after that deposit was squeezed the same amount of thulium could be available in 2 other systems in 2 diferent regions with depots only reaching 45 days each because the moon quality. So the resources would not be finite they would be regenerated across the entire galaxy.

This would mean the current situation of conquer the moon, deploy the pos/PI stuff and wait for the isks would end. Since the resources in the deposit would be finite.

How could this be explained ? Easy, it's simply impossible to discover all the resources of a moon all in a sudden. The discovery of new mineral depots could be advertised across universe using the several NPC news corporations (Amarr Certified News for example) and all the capsuleers would know that in that day a New Thulium Depot estimated in xxxxx m3 of mins, that would last for at least 90 days of mining was found in the 15W-GC V - Moon 1 system, again a example.

Are you people imagining the fights you could gather the day someone said that in a low sec system a hole full of money was available for grabs ?

Resources are important, but if EVE history is any judge, the best driver of conflict is 'cultural' differences like what existed between BoB and Goons and the old NC and the Russians. Most of the best fighting EVE ever saw was under the old crappy super-grind SOV system. When people want to fight, they will fight regardless of the SOV system.

I firmly believe that with occupancy sov, the Russians would become firmly entrenched in sov null again. God help all of the people who've ****** with them over the years if it comes to pass.

Unfortunately, we're all suffering from a shortage of Russians to punch these days. They're all staying holed up in NPC space, largely due to how sov works now. They now stand little chance at having a meaningful impact upon null, under the current "plant flag, afk" system.

I firmly believe that with occupancy sov, the Russians would become firmly entrenched in sov null again. God help all of the people who've ****** with them over the years if it comes to pass.

Resources are important, but if EVE history is any judge, the best driver of conflict is 'cultural' differences like what existed between BoB and Goons and the old NC and the Russians. Most of the best fighting EVE ever saw was under the old crappy super-grind SOV system. When people want to fight, they will fight regardless of the SOV system.