Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

I have stated this before in a similar thread, but it bears repeating.

Given the horrible designs of Dominion sov, and the fact that there appears to be changes to sov coming in the near future, this state of things shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. There is absolutely no reason to go on a trillion HP grindfest until we know more about what's coming. Each alliance/coalition is better served by just holding onto what they have for the moment.

I can only hope that the changes come before the current state of things causes too many players to bow out from sheer boredom.

I have stated this before in a similar thread, but it bears repeating.

Given the horrible designs of Dominion sov,

What changed was the reasons for fighting:

What people forget is that SOV before Dominion sucked even more than it does now. The POS grind was beyond insane, it's a cake walk now in comparison.

What changed was the reasons for fighting: The relative value of null sec vs the rest of EVE-space. Sure, null systems are potentially more valuable now than before Dominion's upgrade system, but relative to high end wormholes and faction warfare pve not to mention high sec activities like incursions and how easy ships like Marauders have made high sec pvp, null is many times less valuable to the high SP pve farmer that it was pre-Dominion. Those 'farmers' were important to the grand scheme of null sec life

People endured the insane pos grinding because at the end of is was useable space with moons and pve content and belt rats that could be used by the alliance to get the funds for other things (i remember when my old corp had to pay 'alliance tax'). Now moon goo is bound to a political system, null pve is something done by renters, ninjas and coalition grunts to stupid to roll a faction warfare bomber alt or buy an incursion runner alt and the SOV system is perceived to be oppressive when the system it replaced was many times MORE oppressive.

Too many people in null have lost the will to fight for the sake of it, and that's more about player mentality than CCP, so start taking some responsibility.

Bullshit. I can easily afford to rent my own system in nullsec based off just the active isk (the passive isk alone pays for the space leaving active site running etc as pure profit). THe issue isn't potential income in nullsec the real issue are the corporations themselves. You decided to join a nullblock corp/alliance that puts it's priorities on the corp/alliance over the little people. Those corps/alliances then rent out vast regions of their space and then you're shocked when you have few areas to grind isk. Then you come here and QQ about how OMG NULLSEC IS SO BAD FOR ISK AND HIGHSEC IS THE BESTEST EVA FOR INCOME!! As you ignore the billion isk ships you get replaced by your alliance for "free" with the income they get from renting etc.

If your corp is really that upset about losing the farmers then they might consider renting out less of your space so those farmers have some place to farm.

I do second your comment about the pre-dominion SOV though my god that was awful.


I also agree with the notion that nothing much is going to happen till the SOV changes are solid.

what you posted is the same old high sec propaganda lie: 'null sec did it to themselves'. It's not true

Those corps/alliances then rent out vast regions of their space and then you're shocked when you have few areas to grind isk. Then you come here and QQ about how OMG NULLSEC IS SO BAD FOR ISK AND HIGHSEC IS THE BESTEST EVA FOR INCOME!!

As you ignore the billion isk ships you get replaced by your alliance for "free" with the income they get from renting etc.

I loved the video! Thanks.

As an independant I really like null sec right now. It is by far the safest place in ALL of New Eden. I get to choose any space I want to run anoms and combat sites. The WH highway gets me back to HS to resupply and sell off my goodies in relative safety. In the meantime my alts do PI in WH space and I roam for pvp in low sec and WH. Life is good with so many choices. After all, EVE is what you make it.

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

As a member of the second largest coalition in the game you guys should stop making treaties, put your big girl panties on and attack something. I heard that is how you change SOV somewhere along the way.

N3PL is the largest, has been for a while.

N3PL is the largest, has been for a while.

But they are separate entities

(that just fight side by side in most things)

Ah, we're still playing the game where we pretend like they're different things?

Gotcha.

Fights for the sake of fights are still very much a thing. Killboards can easily verify this. It's not about that, because we already have that.
This thread is specifically pointing at the fact that sov isn't changing hands. Since that's the case, even though fights are still going, it tells me that the problem is with the sov mechanics as well, not just the players. Regardless of how much time we may invest into this game, it's still just that, a game. Popping ihubs with siege bombers is no one's idea of a good time. Dropping supers for it would be ridiculous, considering what I already said, about the coming sov changes being little more than rumor.
I don't know about you, but I am not cool with the idea of putting hundreds of billions of ISK in alliance assets at risk, to tool with a system that might be completely different in a few months.

It seems to me that there has to be a really difficult balancing act here. If sov can change hands overnight, then why invest in obtaining it? There has to be some level of stability after you obtain sov in order to make people want to get it.

I have to wonder, in terms of game balance--forget about the individual mechanics for now--how often do you think sov systems should be changing hands? To me that sounds like a terrible way to define game mechanics, but that's the end result that everyone seems upset about. Not enough changing of sov.

Well, define the goal. How many systems per day/week/month/year do you think should be shifting? What would be enough change to make you feel like things aren't static? People seem to be after a different big-picture outcome without regard for the actual mechanics. It's kind of a classic debate between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. You want a different outcome regardless of the opportunity? Well, let's just get right down to it and start there at the end goal you wish to see and work backwards to game mechanics from there.

N3 is where the action is?

What you posted is the same apologist nullsec blobmonkey propaganda

"Dear CCP,

Nullsec is broken - and it's all your fault.
You put too much EHP on sov stuctures.
You created supers so laughably imbalanced we were forced to play with them.
Then someone noticed blobbing. So we did that too.
We touched each other for a bit. We farmed. We're bored.
THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT, AND WE DEMAND YOU FIX THIS SYSTEM, SO THAT WE CAN PLAY PROPERLY. WITH EACH OTHER. FOR IMMERSION

signed,
EliteForumCarebearBitterVets

ps. Can we have some more money"

If you have any ability to be honest, you'll admit that I never said anyhting of the sort. Especially the EHP part, pre-Dominon sov had MORE ehp to kill. One of the problems with Dominon SOV is CCP tried to 'streamline' things. They did, and players streamlineed into 2 super powers. Thinking like this did not help along with additions to the game that did not take the rest of the game into consideration (the Incursions system, FW rewards and Wormholes).

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your ranting and anti-null prejudice.

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

The miners are gathering material as they should.

Not quite, no.

You know what I meant, you little minx.

Null is killing the game right now.

The miners are gathering material as they should.
The builders are building the ships as they should.
Null is not destroying anything.

You need all three sides of the triangle to keep the economy alive and the sov alliances are dropping the ball on their end.

War, brothers and sisters. War. Lets get this show on the road. Not some piddly little skirmishes and not some lame once in a while battle. What we need is a solid six months of all out alliancide.

Make it happen.

Mr Epeen

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

What people forget is that SOV before Dominion sucked even more than it does now. The POS grind was beyond insane, it's a cake walk now in comparison.

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

Make all resources finite.

I don't understand how you could possibly think that that's a good idea. Yeah, let's definitely implement a game mechanic that sets an upper limit on how long this game can last.

It's time for a war.

Null is killing the game right now.

The miners are gathering material as they should.
The builders are building the ships as they should.
Null is not destroying anything.

You need all three sides of the triangle to keep the economy alive and the sov alliances are dropping the ball on their end.

War, brothers and sisters. War. Lets get this show on the road. Not some piddly little skirmishes and not some lame once in a while battle. What we need is a solid six months of all out alliancide.

Make it happen.

Mr Epeen

I think he is referring to the case that you find some moon mins, explore them and after a few days/months, the deposit ends. Pretty much what happens in all natural resources industrys.

In the game you could easily implement this mechanic based on a random factor, chance based and according with the moon types. The R64 Moons would have better depots and the lowest worst depots. But the depots them selves of mins would be chance based and randomly deployed thru the entire galaxy.

That would mean you could have a thulium depot in a Tribute Region system that would last for let's say 90 days of exploration and after that deposit was squeezed the same amount of thulium could be available in 2 other systems in 2 diferent regions with depots only reaching 45 days each because the moon quality. So the resources would not be finite they would be regenerated across the entire galaxy.

This would mean the current situation of conquer the moon, deploy the pos/PI stuff and wait for the isks would end. Since the resources in the deposit would be finite.

How could this be explained ? Easy, it's simply impossible to discover all the resources of a moon all in a sudden. The discovery of new mineral depots could be advertised across universe using the several NPC news corporations (Amarr Certified News for example) and all the capsuleers would know that in that day a New Thulium Depot estimated in xxxxx m3 of mins, that would last for at least 90 days of mining was found in the 15W-GC V - Moon 1 system, again a example.

Are you people imagining the fights you could gather the day someone said that in a low sec system a hole full of money was available for grabs ?

Resources are important, but if EVE history is any judge, the best driver of conflict is 'cultural' differences like what existed between BoB and Goons and the old NC and the Russians. Most of the best fighting EVE ever saw was under the old crappy super-grind SOV system. When people want to fight, they will fight regardless of the SOV system.

I firmly believe that with occupancy sov, the Russians would become firmly entrenched in sov null again. God help all of the people who've ****** with them over the years if it comes to pass.

Unfortunately, we're all suffering from a shortage of Russians to punch these days. They're all staying holed up in NPC space, largely due to how sov works now. They now stand little chance at having a meaningful impact upon null, under the current "plant flag, afk" system.

I firmly believe that with occupancy sov, the Russians would become firmly entrenched in sov null again. God help all of the people who've ****** with them over the years if it comes to pass.

Resources are important, but if EVE history is any judge, the best driver of conflict is 'cultural' differences like what existed between BoB and Goons and the old NC and the Russians. Most of the best fighting EVE ever saw was under the old crappy super-grind SOV system. When people want to fight, they will fight regardless of the SOV system.

Dont you think, that's exactly the reason why we don't see such fights anymore?. Bad "plant-a-flag" sov mechanic = no Russians in sov because they understands that its pointless?

You can have much more fun in NPC low-sec...that's reality of EVE these days.

I can't tell you why the Russians are bumrushing for SOV right now even though as a group they had successes under the current SOV system (and MASSIVE success before the current SOV system). I can't tell you what a system that works looks like.

I'm not nostalgic usually

...

It had REAL Doomsdays

I think he is referring to the case that you find some moon mins, explore them and after a few days/months, the deposit ends. Pretty much what happens in all natural resources industrys.

In the game you could easily implement this mechanic based on a random factor, chance based and according with the moon types. The R64 Moons would have better depots and the lowest worst depots. But the depots them selves of mins would be chance based and randomly deployed thru the entire galaxy.

That would mean you could have a thulium depot in a Tribute Region system that would last for let's say 90 days of exploration and after that deposit was squeezed the same amount of thulium could be available in 2 other systems in 2 diferent regions with depots only reaching 45 days each because the moon quality. So the resources would not be finite they would be regenerated across the entire galaxy.

This would mean the current situation of conquer the moon, deploy the pos/PI stuff and wait for the isks would end. Since the resources in the deposit would be finite.

How could this be explained ? Easy, it's simply impossible to discover all the resources of a moon all in a sudden. The discovery of new mineral depots could be advertised across universe using the several NPC news corporations (Amarr Certified News for example) and all the capsuleers would know that in that day a New Thulium Depot estimated in xxxxx m3 of mins, that would last for at least 90 days of mining was found in the 15W-GC V - Moon 1 system, again a example.

Are you people imagining the fights you could gather the day someone said that in a low sec system a hole full of money was available for grabs ?

I love it when others can articulate my ideas better than I can.

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

Frankly, I don't think of null. I think of scantily clad wimmen traipsing about a beach.

REFRESHER: There was BoB. BoB = Big Blue Blob. Play was confined to a s m a l l not blue section with people crying and bitchin' and moanin' about BoB this, BoB that, BoB's ruinin' the game. BoB sucks. BoB's goin', "Yeah? QQ some more for us suckahs!"

THEN - this very loosely organized "coalition" using luck and the fact BoB hadn't actually had players IN those blue dots for a LONG time...overturn BoB. Undo BoB. Dissolute BoB. (Poor BoB!) This wasn't so long ago, by the way.

NOW - after a period of transition, stasis, change, wtf - over we have the Blue Donut. Blue Donut this. Blue Donut that. Blue Donut sucks. Blue Donut's goin', "Yeah? QQ some more for us suckahs!"

TOMORROW - a loose coalition gets off their asses and discovers Blue Donut is more **** than vinegar. Blue Donut gets dunked.

THEN - period of transition..stasis...change? WTF, OVER?

We call this "EVE Online". So glad to have you along.

Why are some people getting angry at me??? I don't decide the standings or who to war with or any of that. I'm just a line member. Why the hate?

I just saw a NCdot super fleet jump 5 mids in less than 10 minutes to save a titan. I guess power projection is only broken when we do it?

So are you all saying that this "plant a flag and afk" is OK sov mechanics?

Video is HERE.

What do you all think of null?

As I've said, right now, null is a LOT of work for a couple of people. Most of the rest just sit around waiting on fleets, or shooting at red crosses, which has precisely zero effect on maintaining sov, except for the increasingly rare occasions when you have to actively defend your planted flag.

If you have any ability to be honest....

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your ranting and anti-null prejudice.

I think you should lead by example. Use your CFC director spies in FC and TNT to reset the rest of that blob and awox everything that moves in fountain, while simultaneously getting N3 to declare whole sale war on PL.

If you are silly enough to sell your intime fun for SRP you deserve to be derided.

It was just poking fun. Stop taking it so personally. I've invested enough time and effort into null to remark, but refrained from doing so in public out of respect for others. Time's up. If you can't handle being mocked, tough. There's a reason some of the ranting deserves to be ribbed. Short version: this is what happens when you winwinwin (then whinge). Nice sandcastle, lads, can I kick it? Hang on while I get my glasses to read your 9000 word dissertation over why you failed/won/are suffering from erectile dysfunction due to mechanics.

The 'failures' have been mocked for so long without a proper retort, it's become acceptable. I don't know whether this is middle-age creep, boredom, or just arrogance - but I would really like to see whether the big blue waffle can sustain itself on leaches and badposters, whilst they leak their competent PVPers from every offirice. Why shouldn't the rest of us popcorn while you nerdrage? If you are silly enough to sell your intime fun for SRP you deserve to be derided. We're not playing your game.

I'd rather pick the underdog in any fight, try and fail spectacularly (and enjoy it) than sit in an iwin blob. If you aren't enjoying winning, ehm... good.

I'm enjoying reading the lengthy iterations on 'War and Peace' or 'The Art of War' on every forum and blogsite available. These mechanics have been snowballing for half a decade. The winners mouthed their way out of them, and the losers were slammed for pointing out obvious gameplay flaws. Please take a moment to breathe before you start yabbering again. Regurgitating the problems - or even insightfully pointing out specific issues is just more noise.

Either write up a solution, support/critique those who do, or shut your trap.
ps. I''ll be back in null within a month, shitbird, but I won't be using an alt to dribble on the forums

The problem with all that bullshit is that I'm an individual, I'm not ~null sec~ nor am I mittani or whoever you are stupidly cluming me and every other null sec player. Next time try at least pretending you're an adult (at least when you reply to me, if you are able, which I doubt) and make sense when you post.

Leave that prejudice at home , because you do't know anything whatsoever about me and why I play (and enjoy) a video game the way I do.