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Charles Muffins
Radon Industrial
3
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:23:00 -
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From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often. |

Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
598
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:26:00 -
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There are very few 'pirates' left in EVE. Most people living in low/null are PVPers. They want the killmail, not the isk. any loot you drop is just a bonus.
why? because there are simple other, better ways to make money. running plexes or having a highsec alt run missions/incursions.
pirating for ransoms is a terrible way to make money. it rarely pays off large. |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope Gallente Federation
276
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:29:00 -
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Charles Muffins wrote:From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.
Wow....... I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses .............. |

Paranoid Loyd
1481
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:30:00 -
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Yarr "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1851
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:40:00 -
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Don't know about nullsec, but moving stuff around in lowsec is easy with the right ships, and there's ISK to be made - if you move the right stuff to the right places.
Maybe you're not doing it right? Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |

Giuseppe R Raimondo
Lowsey Pirates Inc. Easily Excited
58
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:47:00 -
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to the pirate that gets to plex himself and pay for his expensive toys every month with just ransoms , i tip my hat for you |

Anslo
Scope Works
7250
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:52:00 -
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I've actually never tried to ransom. Most people don't because the other person just keeps shooting back and you risk the guy buying time for his fleet to jump into system to dunk you.
Then again I tend to ransom the people doing the ransoming so....my situations a wee bit different.
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Marsha Mallow
1448
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:20:00 -
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CODE are pirates. The filthy roleplaying is unfortunate, as is all the meta, but that's how the game stands right now. m0o got similar abuse for their activities when they were active. Fair enough they didn't nerd-RP, but they were equally obnoxious and awesome. Marmite still merc, with a different reputation to Noir/0rphanage/Privateers, but the playstyle is still there. It's just different faces and adjusted mechanics.
There's been a major attitude shift in the last few years from "Yarrrrr" and singing ransoms to "this is cyberbullying, harassment and griefing". So... there are no pirates left. Just griefers, gankers and 'sociopaths'. Which is a real shame.
If the themeparkers want to come in and have hysterics when someone blows up their pixels, it's not all that surprising pirates have just stopped bothering trying to loot or ransom. It doesn't have to be a primary income source when ISK farming is so easy via alts. The outrage is it's own reward. It's also shifted to 'all about the killmails' (which isn't a bad thing if people are thick enough to put squillions into squishable ships). DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1447
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:54:00 -
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CODE are not pirates. Call them terrorists if you will, but not pirates.
I will invade your lowsec mission, I will ransom your pod instead of destroying your implants. I fly pre-heated multi-scram fits to grab stabbed PI Industrials off rival POCO's. I bribe CONCORD for security status. No ratter is safe from me and my friends.
That's what pirates do in my book, not this CODE hisec RP ganker nonsense. Please don't compare our noble profession with the bads hisec regurgitates out of boredom!  |

iob ccuf azu
0
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:55:00 -
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WELP
I think most people are to scared to go to lowsex because of ~feelings~ so there are no more pirates for that reason somethingawful.com 4 life membership x 400 years forever |
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Marsha Mallow
1448
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:04:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:CODE are not pirates.  Call them terrorists if you will, but not pirates. I will invade your lowsec mission, I will ransom your pod instead of destroying your implants. I fly pre-heated multi-scram fits to grab stabbed PI Industrials off rival POCO's. I bribe CONCORD for security status. No ratter is safe from me and my friends. That's what pirates do in my book, not this CODE hisec RP ganker nonsense. Please don't compare our noble profession with the bads hisec regurgitates out of boredom!  m0o 2003 "infamouse terrorist group" Just saying :P
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |

Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
23
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:06:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:CODE are not pirates.  Call them terrorists if you will, but not pirates. I will invade your lowsec mission, I will ransom your pod instead of destroying your implants. I fly pre-heated multi-scram fits to grab stabbed PI Industrials off rival POCO's. I bribe CONCORD for security status. No ratter is safe from me and my friends. That's what pirates do in my book, not this CODE hisec RP ganker nonsense. Please don't compare our noble profession with the bads hisec regurgitates out of boredom! 
We are non-profit and pirates are non-prophet. Big difference. Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |

Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1452
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:12:00 -
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Charles Muffins wrote:From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. In lowsec that's the best way to get yourself hotdropped.
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Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
704
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:14:00 -
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Rabe Raptor wrote: We are non-profit and pirates are non-prophet. Big difference.
That wasn't even called for.
Go sit in the corner and think about what you just did. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |

Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
23
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:31:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote: We are non-profit and pirates are non-prophet. Big difference.
That wasn't even called for. Go sit in the corner and think about what you just did.
I think about nothing else. Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |

Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
5329
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:54:00 -
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Errr... i know quite a few lowsec miners.
http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) The Mew Age Calender is in need of models! Plus payment! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4908292#post4908292 |

Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
5329
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:56:00 -
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And CODE are as much pirates as myself.
Zero.
RP...different topic. So bad at it, CODE could be the TEST of RP! XD http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) The Mew Age Calender is in need of models! Plus payment! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4908292#post4908292 |

Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
728
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:34:00 -
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There's some of us old dogs still around....  Visit my blog for all the latest in jeers and tears as well as news at http://hoistthecolors.org |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8928
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:51:00 -
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I have always honored ransoms.
But these days, it's not really worth bothering with. Most people will tell you to get stuffed, somehow they'd rather lose their ship entirely than pay me a third it's value. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
795
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:56:00 -
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To be honest, last time I ransomed someone, the reply I got was "go **** yourself you lowlife scumbag"...
I used to ransom people when I could, but so very few people actually accepted, it wasn't worth it. And that last reply made me stop ransoming . Funny thing is, I actually honour the ransom...
I think the other side of the story is the fact that (as stated above) most people are more bothered about the killmail nowadays that they take the ISK and kill you anyway. There are some who are honest though.
Also, in Wormhole space I know TDSIN and (I think) NOHO offer a "sing your way to freedom" that they do uphold. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
855
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:48:00 -
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Where's the pirates ?
Docked in Jita 4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
937
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:04:00 -
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Well OP i read your observations and suggestions and have to say you don't know what you're talking about. Now i know people say that to others all the time on the internets but really: BS in lowsec? The last 5 i saw in lowsec i helped kill. Bumped one so far off the gate he was trying to crash, good times. No earning potential in low? I've set up de-facto market hubs by getting all the loot drops from haulers i've blapped, plus some other meta mods from hisec missions, stacked it up in a market and then shot the shoppers. Hey Bapzooper! Activity both combat and economic. In one quiet ugly pocket of low leading into a pipe that finishes in a bottleneck to null, i sold t1 hulls below cost in order to move mods n ammo i make. I move the stuff there in my blockade runner or have a JF service help me, even out to npc null stations. Hey Bazongers! Investment of time and isk leads to profit and lols. In one silly part of npc null i had explorers and pvpers buying things from me and dying to me and my corp. I'd see a familiar sounding name on killboard, then remember it was from transactions. Hey Zimbabwe! Expensive loot stacks up from kills, goes on market, encourages tourism and roaming, which in turn feeds wallet and kb.
TLDR try more complex stuff.
Edit: insurance isn't meant to be a reward for derping your stuff. Combined with SRP it reduces the hurt. No SRP? Join a real outfit. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3438
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:57:00 -
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I've offered ransoms with the intention of honoring them. Never had a taker.
Most people do not believe that you will honor it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |

Charles Muffins
Radon Industrial
3
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Posted - 2014.08.20 04:52:00 -
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I'm surprised people aren't really trusting in EVE.   But seriously pirates are honest with ransoms to keep repeat customers. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5342
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:32:00 -
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Charles Muffins wrote:From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.
There used to be pirates.
They lived on ransoms. They took ISK, and sometimes entire ships.
Then things degenerated. Ransoms were not honored any more. There's no metric to track ISK gained from ransoms. It's all ISK in the wallet as one measure that you can grind for, or ISK destroyed on the kill board.
So ransoming became that little extra before you popped them anyway. People stopped paying them.
And that's that. Back to grinding and NAPs and ship spinning. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Mag's
the united
17754
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:41:00 -
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I haven't played for quite some time, but when I did we used to honour ransoms.
One of the changes I would like CCP to bring to low sec, is a ransom mechanic. But they have ignored low sec for so long now, I'm starting to doubt I'll ever see any improvements.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2102
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:52:00 -
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Killmail whores ruined real pirates. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
72
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:04:00 -
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Greedy people, not honouring ransoms ruined ransoms :P
But yeah, it's just not worth it. You can find better ISK other places, and when you catch something big and shiny, you usually just want the killmail. The random solo retriever in Lowsec, you usually just blow up for the fun of it.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
372
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:07:00 -
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Just ransomed a Damsel to a newbro yesterday morning. While not high dollar, we both had a good chuckle. |

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
811
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:38:00 -
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Gave up ransoming people a long time ago. Back in the day, you would either get a snarky or sarcastic response that would make me chuckle, or a payment that resulted in me letting the target go.
Today? It's like "GO BACK TO HIGHSEC FA**** FU***** PIECE OF **** I WILL FIND YOU RL AND ******** KILL YOU" and other creative responses like that. |
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