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Rock Saw
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:50:00 -
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What do the bulk of Eve players run? I've been happy with a GeForce 5900, but I'm looking to upgrade to a 7600 or 7800 and not sure what the big advantages will be... and how much difference it will make.
The only thing I really know about graphics cards is that th ebigger the number, the better it should be... right? I'm looking go to faster... boost my fps... but yet keep it on the cheaper side of something up to date.
any help?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/07/2006 18:53:12
They're both good, and what's better depends on what you want to do with it, and what price range you're looking at.
Bigger number is definitely not "better": a 6600GT is vastly superior to a 7300 or the like, for example. An 8500 Pro is vastly better than a 9200SE.
nVidia has some very specific advantages. For example, they have much better Linux support, better multi-monitor support (I believe you can have two monitors and run one EVE client on each with nVidia cards), and various little things like stereoscopic vision support and the like. ATI has their own advantages: for example, the x800 GTO is less than 130 dollars for PCI-E, and is vastly faster than anything nVidia has for the same price.
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Sovy Kurosei
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:53:00 -
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The only thing I really know about graphics cards is that th ebigger the number, the better it should be... right?
Mmmmmm. Nope. *'Fondly' remembers about Geforce 4 MX model line*
The biggest limiting factor for EVE is RAM, I believe. You still have a decent card, I'm doing pretty well with a my Radeon 9600.
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Jester87
Bladerunners
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:53:00 -
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Just got a laptop with a Geforce G0 7900GS and it makes EVE So beautiful I think im already playing Kali... Honestly, its the most beautiful quality ive ever seen not to mention my Frames per second never drop below 200... and im playing as really high resolution.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I believe you can have two monitors and run one EVE client on each with nVidia cards.
You can do this quite comfortably with an ATI card too, this is how I run Eve usually.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/07/2006 18:55:16
Originally by: Jester87
Just got a laptop with a Geforce G0 7900GS and it makes EVE So beautiful I think im already playing Kali... Honestly, its the most beautiful quality ive ever seen not to mention my Frames per second never drop below 200... and im playing as really high resolution.
Just to note, a better graphics card will not make EVE look better at all.
While it may make it go faster, any modern graphics card can crank the settings up to max and max AA/AF to make EVE look good.
And that FPS doesn't sound right at all: you can't hit 200 FPS in EVE in a deadspace mission, for example, even with a dual core A64 and SLI'd 7900GTXs. You'd be lucky to get smooth gameplay, let alone a ridiculous number like 200. Thus, I call BS on "200 frames per second everywhere" considering I've never seen a computer that can even hit 200 in space.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/07/2006 19:04:01
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I believe you can have two monitors and run one EVE client on each with nVidia cards.
You can do this quite comfortably with an ATI card too, this is how I run Eve usually.
How?
Last time I tried with my 9700 Pro the second monitor was not hardware accelerated, and thus no 3D games could be run at all.
I was told that ATI cards cannot hardware accelerate more than one monitor at a time.
As I use an ATI card, I would love to be wrong 
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Rock Saw
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:01:00 -
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Looking around $150 as a price range... but as of my current gaming experience, I get crappy fps... 20s and lower, escpecially if I'm running any mission with numberous npcs. I usually have to turn off the sound card... ctr+alt+shift+f12 to boost the fps. I can play fine... but as you see, not nearly as good as I should be.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rock Saw
Looking around $150 as a price range... but as of my current gaming experience, I get crappy fps... 20s and lower, escpecially if I'm running any mission with numberous npcs. I usually have to turn off the sound card... ctr+alt+shift+f12 to boost the fps. I can play fine... but as you see, not nearly as good as I should be.
Are you looking for an AGP or PCI-E card? This of course is very important... as the wrong card won't fit
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Demio Olaron
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:06:00 -
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I'd recommend a GF6600GT either AGP or PCI-E, they are great 
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Rock Saw
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:07:00 -
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good question... PCI-E is the answer. Also, been checking this one out...
Linkage
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/07/2006 19:11:52
Originally by: Rock Saw
good question... PCI-E is the answer. Also, been checking this one out...
Linkage
Here's an x800 GTO for 102 dollars.
I'm pretty sure it outperforms the 7600GS. If they don't have it in stock, Froogle has another 2 or 3 suppliers that have it between 100 and 110 dollars.
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Rock Saw
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:16:00 -
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Thanks for the linky... how important is my power supply? My crappy Dell only has a 250W and it burnt out before. The only one I get to replace it and actually fit in the case was another 250W from Dell. i was told not to use anything else.
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MOS DEF
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: MOS DEF on 21/07/2006 19:21:04
Just for your information: You can run 2 clients on 1 Monitor each on Radeons as well.
I used 7800 GTX a while and now a x1900XTX and both run eve very well with multimonitor.
It`s a matter of taste. I went for the ATI for the HDR+FSAA and more performance in other games. For eve it doesn`t really matter wich brand really.
Dark Shikari: I can hit 200 FPS in Space (or was it 195?) with my OC`d x1900. Definatly not in a deadspace mission though.
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O'knar
Grettistak
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:21:00 -
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As a rule of thumb, nVidia ftw. I've always used their cards, and they've always been great. I just upgraded to the GeForce 6600GT, and it screams.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rock Saw
Thanks for the linky... how important is my power supply? My crappy Dell only has a 250W and it burnt out before. The only one I get to replace it and actually fit in the case was another 250W from Dell. i was told not to use anything else.
First of all, ignore my comment about the x800 GTO being better--now I'm not sure. I suggest you check out one of Anandtech's benchmarks listing all the modern cards in a long chart. They're a good way to see which cards have more raw speed than others, especially cards from different generations of microprocessors.
Second... while Dell power supplies are extremely good for their wattage (PC Power and Cooling makes them), a 250 watt probably won't be able to handle a modern graphics card. You could try it: it wouldn't hurt anything. But you may have to upgrade if it doesn't work.
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Smada
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:30:00 -
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Have to agree with DS - a 250W PSU probably isn't going to cut it with a modern, power hungry graphics solution.
Upgrade to a 400W or higher,it'll serve you for a few upgrades then.
Seasonic and Tagan both make extremely good PSU's. Solid on the 12V & 5V rails and good energy efficency (82%+)
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Augustus Emperius
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:32:00 -
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Nvidia's fallen by the wayside the last few years. ATI has caught up and surpassed them on a whole bunch of fronts and that seems likely to continue with any future Wii and X360 ports running better on ATI hardware.
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Rock Saw
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:32:00 -
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Thanks for the help... I'm looking at some benchmark results on card comparisons... and the high end cards almsot double the 6600GT and 6800GT... but it looks like I'll be going with one of those. Not too sure about the power supply, but I think it may be time to learn more about this stuff and build my own computer 
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Rock Saw
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Smada
Have to agree with DS - a 250W PSU probably isn't going to cut it with a modern, power hungry graphics solution.
Upgrade to a 400W or higher,it'll serve you for a few upgrades then.
Seasonic and Tagan both make extremely good PSU's. Solid on the 12V & 5V rails and good energy efficency (82%+)
The only way to checnge out the 250W is get a new case completely... and Dell likes to make that very difficult... which means I'd need a new motherboard and chip I believe.... then again, its only money... and its only Eve.
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Obodi
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:40:00 -
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I run two PCs, one with an AMD 3600+ w/ATI X800Pro (AGP) that runs EVE better than the other one with an AMD 4400+ X2 w/Nvidia 6600. The 4400+ X2, however, is better at running multiple EVE clients, and I'm thinking I should invest in a better graphics card.
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Smada
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:47:00 -
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Rock Saw - I'd buy something on a par with a 6800GT, but to be honest a 6600GT will do the trick.
Not going to spend any more money until I have seen what we're going to need for Vista.
As it stands Nvidia cards can't do AA and HDR together at the moment and ATI can allegedly (I've never run one so I cant comment on that).
So as Trinity will be doing some form of HDR I might have to swap to an ATI card to see it in it's full glory.
hth
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RacerX1
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I believe you can have two monitors and run one EVE client on each with nVidia cards.
You can do this quite comfortably with an ATI card too, this is how I run Eve usually.
yup. I have a 9800 and dual monitors. 1 client per monitor works fine. Was as easy as just making my 2nd monitor the primary for that specific client. decent fps too. : ) nothin like havin a cov ops and your main lookin at ya without alt-tab
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Scott McClellan
Forum Posters Anonymous
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:11:00 -
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ATI took the distinctive edge a few years ago when the then "Next Gen" of cards were introduced, the Radeon 9700 was vastly superior to the "lawnmower" GeForce 5800.
I have an X800SE from a year and a half ago (when X800XT and 6800something were top dogs.) Nvidia took the lead when the 7900GTX came out, ATI introduced another line but they can't beat it as of yet.
NVidia back in the days had loud big fan assemblies on their top end cards (namely the 5800,) while ATI's cards were slimmer (1 slot, not 2) and quieter. Now you can pretty get any card that will only take up 1 PCI slot, although there are some brands that have the bigger ones on both sides of the fence.
As a general rule, Nvidias now have more pixel pipelines, while ATI's run faster clocks. This is why they can perform rather differently on the same thing.
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Lifeguard Hoff
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:20:00 -
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Just ordered one of these: Linkage
And plain and simple, ATi cards suck
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:56:00 -
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I run 3 or 4 EVE Clients on my Dual Core AMD64 (3800+)/2gig CAS2 DDR400/Nvidia 7800GT and it works fine for most stuff if I set the first 2 clients to have their own proc affinity. If I am going to do combat I drop down to 2 clients w. seperate affinity. If its just to convo or run missions I will not bother with setting affinity.
By the way, you can use an SLI motherboard and run EVE off each core through seperate affinity and on two different monitors if your PC ins't running in SLI mode. Each monitor will be fully accellerated GPU wise as well as CPU wise.
As for EVE needing anything more than a 6600GT or an X800 GTO... it doesn't like Dark Shikari said. EVE atm is basically DX8.0 graphics and processor dependant not GPU dependant.
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Cannabi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:04:00 -
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I just caught an ad in my pcgamer mag and nvidia has come out with a double graphics card for one slot. This is for people that want an SLI setup but doesn't have the mboard to support it. If my geforece 6800 didn't work well with eve at 1600x1200 then I'd probably go for it.
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Li***uard Hoff
Just ordered one of these: Linkage
And plain and simple, ATi cards suck
fanboyism ftw eh?
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Which brand you choose depends on which generation of cards youre going to buy, if youre going to buy from the FX/9x generation, ATi would be better, but with the 6x/X generation, nvidia would be better for their PS3. Im not sure about the newest generation of cards though.
Btw, you should be able to get a new case easily, all of the current motherboards are either mini-ATX or ATX size. I havent seen any stock computer company make a custom motherboard yet.
Oh and, EVE doesnt really rely on your GPU very much at all, its mostly CPU and RAM from what i can see. I may be wrong though..
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 21/07/2006 21:27:51
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Ralus
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:52:00 -
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You can get a 7900 GT for ú180 these days and correct me if i'm wrong but thats a lot of gfx card for your money.
look here
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