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Stephar Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:12:00 - [1] Let's say you put a cap relay on a Geddon, and a heat sink on an Apoc. Both ships would then have similar DPS and cap regen, and you'd be left with the following layouts: Apoc = 8/4/6 Geddon = 8/3/7 Apoc has more armor, Geddon has a smaller signature. Apoc has slightly more grid, Geddon has a slightly larger drone bay. But these differences are minor... so minor that you could in fact build each ship to do the same thing almost as well as the other. Sure the Geddon makes a better ganker, but you can get real close with an Apoc if you go all out with damage mods. And you can put one heckuva tank on a Geddon, especially considering that it has an extra low slot to play with. I'm still new to battleships (bought my first one last night!), so correct me if I'm wrong. I was playing around with QuickFit before my purchase, as I was unsure of which one to get. Since I'll be using it to run missions, I was going for a balance between ganking & tanking, and this is where the similarities really begin to stand out. I'd fit out an Apoc, and then try to do something similar with the Geddon... and I'd end up with almost the same DPS, cap regen, and resists.
Tsun Lao	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:18:00 - [2] Apoc is useless because of lack of damage bonus, its redicilious. If I hunt 0.0 angels with Armageddon I Can kill angel ships about 2 or 3 times as fast as I can with apocalypser. And since I kill faster I need less tank. Apoc = useless. Even the navy apoc is crap, all it has is an extra amount of armour. Short end of straw.
hellbound1990	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:12:00 - [3] Originally by: Tsun Lao Apoc is useless because of lack of damage bonus, its redicilious. If I hunt 0.0 angels with Armageddon I Can kill angel ships about 2 or 3 times as fast as I can with apocalypser. And since I kill faster I need less tank. Apoc = useless. Even the navy apoc is crap, all it has is an extra amount of armour. Short end of straw. Hahahahhahahhahahahahha looool i can only laugh about you thats a new thing ive heard apoc is crap loooool dude u dont know anything in my opinion
Gabby05 Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:25:00 - [4] Originally by: hellbound1990 Hahahahhahahhahahahahha looool i can only laugh about you thats a new thing ive heard apoc is crap loooool dude u dont know anything in my opinion Apoc/geddon are made for a specific strategy to either tank amazingly or dish out damage amazingly he probably finds it crap to do much else with it. To think the apoc is anything better than average unless in gang and tbh any ship in gang is pretty good when dedicating their slots to purely take advantage of a ships bonuses... well then you dont know much about anything either.
Brother Tycho Shadows of the Dead Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:41:00 - [5] Originally by: hellbound1990 Originally by: Tsun Lao Apoc is useless because of lack of damage bonus, its redicilious. If I hunt 0.0 angels with Armageddon I Can kill angel ships about 2 or 3 times as fast as I can with apocalypser. And since I kill faster I need less tank. Apoc = useless. Even the navy apoc is crap, all it has is an extra amount of armour. Short end of straw. Hahahahhahahhahahahahha looool i can only laugh about you thats a new thing ive heard apoc is crap loooool dude u dont know anything in my opinion lets just say the apoc and geddon are fine for fleet fights at 200km why you would want to fly one over a raven for anything else i'll never know. i think its crap that all amarr get with our Teir 3 abbadon is another boring bloody fleet ship. Fact is Amarr are boring, predictable and easy to defeat with a multispec ECM or Tracking disrupter. ravens are cheeper to setup, take like half the sp to fly, have better sensors, better dps while tanking better and never miss from like 70km to 1km. -------------[B«+tHd« T¦¦H+]------------- åå Spreading the good word since beta åå
Laboratus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:55:00 - [6] Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 11:55:18 The geddon, as a thumb rule is better, cause it gets a damage bonus. The apoc can fit tachyons and compensate the damage by that, but that only means it's a lot more diffuclt to fit and more expensive. Set the geddon for max gank, use heavy drones, and you still get a good tank on it, while using your meds to keep up with the cap. Mega pulse lasers are the weapon of choise. Excelent damage, maintainable tank(not as good tank per second as shield tank but hey...), maintainable cap. Not many ships can do this. Only problem is lack of mid slots, so EW kinda ruins your day. And low sensor strenth. It's a tradeoff. It's stronger than the Apoc, but also more vulnerable to counter measures. Edit: Can't spell Mind control and tin hats
DarkElf Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 12:00:00 - [7] I do see your point here. other races bs are very different and have different uses. apoc and geddon are a little too similar if you ask me. DE
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2006.07.22 12:02:00 - [8] well scorp and raven arent that different either?
Laboratus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 12:04:00 - [9] IMHO as far as the RP aspect of the game is taken into consideration, the Amarrians don't belive in versitility. They belive in overwhelming your enemy with superior firepower and numbers. And fighting till the bitter end of the opponent. They belive in blast and endure. Not in superior tactics or maneuvering. Just sit and shoot really... Mind control and tin hats
Etherios Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 12:12:00 - [10] Let me Help u all. Amarr Suck Amarr is a useless race in eve etc etc etc Apoc/Navy apoc Arma/imp arma and al the rest are USELESS and not needed SOOOO DONT USE then DONT BUY DONT FIT DOPNT FLY ONE .... its that simple there are 3 more races in this game FLY THOSE and stop the endless and USELESS whinning about something u dont like. Eve is the best game in the RL atm and gives u what ever u like DO IT. Dont try to persuade the rest Amarr suck WHO cares play with the other races.... I love Amarr I always FLY Amarr ONLY I will ALWAYS fly Amarr only so Plz Stop with the whinning already. Thank u Amarr is the truth ... Amarr is the light.... True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
inSpirAcy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 12:18:00 - [11] Originally by: turnschuh well scorp and raven arent that different either? EW and gank/tank are very different roles.
Johnny Bravo	Posted - 2006.07.22 12:34:00 - [12] Edited by: Johnny Bravo on 22/07/2006 12:35:57 Dude, Apoc with 8 guns have roughtly 16% less DPS than Geddon with 7. Plus some damage lost due to less drones. But, it have a bit more PG and CPU left after fitting 8 guns then Geddon after 7. Plus, 30% better capacitor and better alpha-strike. So, at least for NPC'ing Apoc is better than Geddon. And yes, they are very similar. But, its much better than be a different a-la Minmatar - gimpy Typhoon without a purpose and somewhat good Tempest.
Tsun Lao	Posted - 2006.07.22 12:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Etherios its that simple there are 3 more races in this game FLY THOSE and stop the endless and USELESS whinning about something u dont like. What a crap way of saying the devs should stop balancing this game. Buy a clue muppet.
Valea Silpha Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Tsun Lao Originally by: Etherios its that simple there are 3 more races in this game FLY THOSE and stop the endless and USELESS whinning about something u dont like. What a crap way of saying the devs should stop balancing this game. Buy a clue muppet. He's not saying the devs should stop balancing, but that if you don't like something you should fly something that suits you better. Both the geddon and the apoc are pretty good and have good roles. They aren't uber, and as such people seem to think they are gimped. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Etherios Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Tsun Lao What a crap way of saying the devs should stop balancing this game. Buy a clue muppet. Balance ... u want balance? so U want all races to have ALLL ships that can do ALLL the jobs that will have ALL similar stats THAT WILL MAKE THE GAME WoW or other mmos... because u want balance? i really prefer to have each race doing whats best at and not all doing ALLL.... Amarr is lasers armor tanking and thats it if u want all around playing go play the slaves or the caldari Else STOP saying about the stupidness of balancing... Balancing... i hope u understand that what u trying to do is nerf something... and just that... And about getting a glue... i play Fleet battles ALL the times (if ppl dont hide behind npc stations) So My Apoc/Arma has A HUGE role in my eve life... so that want something else as u said play something else and dont whine for nothing... True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
Etherios Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:13:00 - [16] Also dont compare ships that have diferent roles and say look this lacks here BALANCE..... Compare similar ships... or at least compare ships in similar situations.. dont tell me look the scorpion can ecm the arma no problem... SO WHAT? Each ships has its good and bads... if ppl cant see that .. and can only think ... i cant kill a raven in my gankeddon... DEVS balance ... WTF how can they balance 2 diferent ships doing 2 diferent JOBSSSSSS. I dont want ANYTHING TO OUTDAMAGE A DAMN RAVEN in 0km range... nothing (maybe a blasterthron) can outdamage that.... But nothing can outtank an Apoc... (armor tanking for those wise guys) So if u think more that just ur e-peen ... maybe we can help Devs Balance the game more. True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
Tsun Lao	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Etherios Originally by: Tsun Lao What a crap way of saying the devs should stop balancing this game. Buy a clue muppet. Balance ... u want balance? so U want all races to have ALLL ships that can do ALLL the jobs that will have ALL similar stats THAT WILL MAKE THE GAME WoW or other mmos No. After spending 3 years and more than $500 on this game I want the option to have atleast ONE good pvp battleship that wont loose all 1vs1's towards n00bs with 3 million skillpoints flying ravens. Yes, I fly 3 races, but I want each one of them to offer me something. Today Amarr is horribly borked compared to the others.
Tsun Lao	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Etherios But nothing can outtank an Apoc... (armor tanking for those wise guys) If you dont think a domi can tank just as well or the Raven even better then you are a n00b.
Laboratus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:38:00 - [19] Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 14:39:41 Originally by: Tsun Lao [No. After spending 3 years and more than $500 on this game I want the option to have atleast ONE good pvp battleship that wont loose all 1vs1's towards n00bs with 3 million skillpoints flying ravens. Yes, I fly 3 races, but I want each one of them to offer me something. Today Amarr is horribly borked compared to the others. Good point. Try Ganker geddon. 5 Mega pulses 2 Large Nos 3 sensor damps, 2 EANM t2, 1 LAR t2, 2 1600mm tungsten, 3 damage mods t2. For the drone bay 5 t2 berserkers. Not quite sure on the excacts, but thats about how the fit goes. Nasty one at that. Then again, it isn't really a solo fit, as you still need a tackler, but anyways... Ruins my day every time I run into one. Originally by: Tsun Lao Originally by: Etherios But nothing can outtank an Apoc... (armor tanking for those wise guys) If you dont think a domi can tank just as well or the Raven even better then you are a n00b. Actually, since the Apoc has better capasitor than a domi, it can run it's 2 t2 LAR much longer than a domi... Mind control and tin hats
Cruz eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 14:39:41 Originally by: Tsun Lao [No. After spending 3 years and more than $500 on this game I want the option to have atleast ONE good pvp battleship that wont loose all 1vs1's towards n00bs with 3 million skillpoints flying ravens. Yes, I fly 3 races, but I want each one of them to offer me something. Today Amarr is horribly borked compared to the others. Good point. Try Ganker geddon. 5 Mega pulses 2 Large Nos 3 sensor damps, 2 EANM t2, 1 LAR t2, 2 1600mm tungsten, 3 damage mods t2. For the drone bay 5 t2 berserkers. Not quite sure on the excacts, but thats about how the fit goes. Nasty one at that. Then again, it isn't really a solo fit, as you still need a tackler, but anyways... Ruins my day every time I run into one. Originally by: Tsun Lao Originally by: Etherios But nothing can outtank an Apoc... (armor tanking for those wise guys) If you dont think a domi can tank just as well or the Raven even better then you are a n00b. Actually, since the Apoc has better capasitor than a domi, it can run it's 2 t2 LAR much longer than a domi... Ever heard of this module called a capacitor booster? Yah it lets a domi tank as well as an apoc in PVP. --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
Commander Thrawn Fluffy rabbit killer's inc	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:56:00 - [21] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 22/07/2006 14:56:48 Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 14:39:41 Originally by: Tsun Lao [No. After spending 3 years and more than $500 on this game I want the option to have atleast ONE good pvp battleship that wont loose all 1vs1's towards n00bs with 3 million skillpoints flying ravens. Yes, I fly 3 races, but I want each one of them to offer me something. Today Amarr is horribly borked compared to the others. Good point. Try Ganker geddon. 5 Mega pulses 2 Large Nos 3 sensor damps, 2 EANM t2, 1 LAR t2, 2 1600mm tungsten, 3 damage mods t2. For the drone bay 5 t2 berserkers. Not quite sure on the excacts, but thats about how the fit goes. Nasty one at that. Then again, it isn't really a solo fit, as you still need a tackler, but anyways... Ruins my day every time I run into one. Originally by: Tsun Lao Originally by: Etherios But nothing can outtank an Apoc... (armor tanking for those wise guys) If you dont think a domi can tank just as well or the Raven even better then you are a n00b. Actually, since the Apoc has better capasitor than a domi, it can run it's 2 t2 LAR much longer than a domi... Ever heard of this module called a capacitor booster? Yah it lets a domi tank as well as an apoc in PVP. indeed. the Geddon is great, but the apoc needs it stat changed from 5% extra cap per level, to 5% resistance per level like the maller. This would give it more tankability since with all the nos ships and cap booster this extra cap doesn't do jack in PVP.
Laboratus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:00:00 - [22] Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 15:00:11 Originally by: Cruz Ever heard of this module called a capacitor booster? Yah it lets a domi tank as well as an apoc in PVP. Ever heard of a thing called Cargo space? Or drone dps? (FYI its quite low compared to dps on guns or missiles) This is all offtopic, this thread is about the geddon and apoc. Edit: Still can't type Mind control and tin hats
inSpirAcy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:14:00 - [23] To the OP: yes, they are very similar ships - more so than the tiers of the other races. But the rest of this discussion is a bit pointless because neither the Apocalypse nor Armageddon are ever going to change, and the third tier will almost certainly be a sniping boat. It's just... the way things are.
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Stephar Apoc = 8/4/6 Geddon = 8/3/7 They're 8/4/7 and 8/3/8 respectively. I tend to agree that they are very similar, but so is every Amarr ship. Appart from the Arbitrator and it's T2 versions they're designed to either gank or tank. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:05:00 - [25] I've yet to see a well constructed post in this topic as to why the both ship are useful. You have to think outside of the box, which i suspect not many can do here, since you obviously can't even distinguish the differences that make both ships unique and useful. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Captain Rod	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:06:00 - [26] I thought they were v different. Just seeing if I cna post again
Kaylana Syi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:08:00 - [27] They aren't too dissimilar in what roles they can perform but they are different enough at how they approach them. Both are fine ships... too bad the apoc is one of the fugliest ships I have ever seen. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Vaevalis	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Cohkka Originally by: Stephar Apoc = 8/4/6 Geddon = 8/3/7 They're 8/4/7 and 8/3/8 respectively. I tend to agree that they are very similar, but so is every Amarr ship. Appart from the Arbitrator and it's T2 versions they're designed to either gank or tank. I guess you full failed to read what the man said. Let's say you put a cap relay on a Geddon, and a heat sink on an Apoc. Both ships would then have similar DPS and cap regen, and you'd be LEFT with the following layouts: Apoc = 8/4/6 Geddon = 8/3/7
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Vaevalis Originally by: Cohkka Originally by: Stephar Apoc = 8/4/6 Geddon = 8/3/7 They're 8/4/7 and 8/3/8 respectively. I tend to agree that they are very similar, but so is every Amarr ship. Appart from the Arbitrator and it's T2 versions they're designed to either gank or tank. I guess you full failed to read what the man said. Let's say you put a cap relay on a Geddon, and a heat sink on an Apoc. Both ships would then have similar DPS and cap regen, and you'd be LEFT with the following layouts: Apoc = 8/4/6 Geddon = 8/3/7 Why don't you go have fun on the Clue Highway and get hit by one.. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Cruz eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.22 17:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 15:00:11 Originally by: Cruz Ever heard of this module called a capacitor booster? Yah it lets a domi tank as well as an apoc in PVP. Ever heard of a thing called Cargo space? Or drone dps? (FYI its quite low compared to dps on guns or missiles) This is all offtopic, this thread is about the geddon and apoc. Edit: Still can't type BSs have enough cargo space for about 5minutes worth of cap charges. Also drones on a domi can push 500dps alone. Let's not forget you have 6 turret slots Yes domi does such low dps... --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
Laboratus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 17:21:00 - [31] Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 17:22:18 Originally by: Cruz BSs have enough cargo space for about 5minutes worth of cap charges. Also drones on a domi can push 500dps alone. Let's not forget you have 6 turret slots Yes domi does such low dps... Sigh, lets see. With max skills on a domi in according to http://www.evegeek.com/drones.php is 475.2, however you can get 316.8 damage out from 5 heavy drones on any non boni ship that can carry 5 heavy drones. As such the real advantage is only (475.2-316.8=)158.4 damage. As the drone ships have less grid than turret ships they can't max fit guns. (domi 9000 PG Mega 15500PG. as such the bigger drone bay "costs" the domi 6500PG) Due to this the 158.4 advantage in drone damage is easily overcome by better turret ships. So do some reasearch plz. Anyways That is offtopic. This thread is about the differences of Apoc and armageddon. Gotto go do something else. I'm too irritated by trolls. Mind control and tin hats
Hanns Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.07.22 17:26:00 - [32] Maby the apoc should get a Resistance bonus inline with the maller and prophecy? Originally by: Tuxford a new retribution bonus. +1 med slot per level
Woopie	Posted - 2006.07.22 17:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Hanns Maby the apoc should get a Resistance bonus inline with the maller and prophecy? Punisher, sac, damnation, absolution, etc.. It has a PvE bonus that really isn't flying..
Kaylana Syi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 17:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Hanns Maby the apoc should get a Resistance bonus inline with the maller and prophecy? /signed Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Cruz eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 17:22:18 Originally by: Cruz BSs have enough cargo space for about 5minutes worth of cap charges. Also drones on a domi can push 500dps alone. Let's not forget you have 6 turret slots Yes domi does such low dps... Sigh, lets see. With max skills on a domi in according to http://www.evegeek.com/drones.php is 475.2, however you can get 316.8 damage out from 5 heavy drones on any non boni ship that can carry 5 heavy drones. As such the real advantage is only (475.2-316.8=)158.4 damage. As the drone ships have less grid than turret ships they can't max fit guns. (domi 9000 PG Mega 15500PG. as such the bigger drone bay "costs" the domi 6500PG) Due to this the 158.4 advantage in drone damage is easily overcome by better turret ships. So do some reasearch plz. Anyways That is offtopic. This thread is about the differences of Apoc and armageddon. Gotto go do something else. I'm too irritated by trolls. Can't fit max guns? Excuse me but a domi can fit 6 electron blaster cannons.... 6 blasters + 5 drones = 1k dps. --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
Laboratus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 18:20:25 Originally by: Cruz Can't fit max guns? Excuse me but a domi can fit 6 electron blaster cannons.... 6 blasters + 5 drones = 1k dps. Max guns. As in 6 t2 large neutron blasters. As in the big guns. Edit:Still can't spell. And this time, I'm gonna really stop getting annoyed by trolls. Mind control and tin hats
Dred 'Morte Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:46:00 - [37] Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 22/07/2006 18:46:32 Quote: indeed. the Geddon is great, but the apoc needs it stat changed from 5% extra cap per level, to 5% resistance per level like the maller. This would give it more tankability since with all the nos ships and cap booster this extra cap doesn't do jack in PVP Die. Stop thinking about PvP all the time. PvP this PvP that. I bought my Apocalypse and trained for my Apocalypse and because it was always the PvE ship (crystals=endless ammo). It sucks for PvP, but so what? It's still not useless at it. I like my Apocalypse. Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
inSpirAcy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 18:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Dred 'Morte Die. Stop thinking about PvP all the time. PvP this PvP that. I bought my Apocalypse and trained for my Apocalypse and because it was always the PvE ship (crystals=endless ammo). It sucks for PvP, but so what? It's still not useless at it. I like my Apocalypse. You do realise that a resist bonus would mean you'd have to rep less in PvE, and thus need less cap? If the Apoc got a resist bonus I'd have died and gone to heaven. Not only would it still have enough lows to fit a sick tank (and a no-ammo cargo baby for the cap charges), 25% extra resistances across two reppers, 7500 base armor and however many plates I'd stashed on... omgdrool"
Cruz eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.22 19:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 22/07/2006 18:20:25 Originally by: Cruz Can't fit max guns? Excuse me but a domi can fit 6 electron blaster cannons.... 6 blasters + 5 drones = 1k dps. Max guns. As in 6 t2 large neutron blasters. As in the big guns. Edit:Still can't spell. And this time, I'm gonna really stop getting annoyed by trolls. It can still fit 6 BS blasters that do good damage. --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.07.22 20:22:00 - [40] Im not 10% sure on this ( my maths is crap) so maybe someone can confirm / deny it for me. Geddon has 7 turrets and a 5% RoF bonus. Apoc has 8 turrets no bonus. Assuming that a 5% RoF bonus is directly comparable to a 5% Damage bonus ( Which is by no means guaranteed) by my sums a geddon with 7 dual heavy beam ( for example) and no damage mods doesnt start to outdamage an apoc with 8 dual heavy beam untill u have bs lvl3. So at bs lvl5 ur looking at <15% more damage for Geddon vs Apoc. Its actually less because u get more more benfit for ur gunnery skills on an apocs 8 turrets than u do a Geddons 7. ( Ur skills are aplied to 8 turrets not 7). Ofc my maths could be off but i'm fairly sure its not. If I'm right than the whole "Apoc is rubbish" thing is possibly slightly exaggerated. Geddon gets mebbe 13% greater damage at the expense of grid/armour/cap. Just a thought
Rigsta Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 20:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Cruz Can't fit max guns? Excuse me but a domi can fit 6 electron blaster cannons.... 6 blasters + 5 drones = 1k dps. Is someone saying the domi is overpowered? Thought I'd never see the day! As for the difference between Apoc and Geddon... When a geddon approaches I expect the need to turn on the armor hardeners and do alot of repairing. When an Apoc approaches I expect it to either be a dot 200km away melting me with tachyons, or be the toughest tank this side of a capital ship. Now and again someone surprises me with an off-the-wall setup. Besides being rock solid, the Apoc has tremendous utility value with its bottomless cap. Sure that's not a huge difference. But hello? how long have you flown Amarr? ALL their ships are no-nonsense hard hitters or lumps of bulletproof stuff. Amarr does what it says on the tin. If you don't like it, cross-train for another race. ----------------------------------------------- My Ideas: Drones wish list <-- 2 years old. I always knew the voice w
Tsun Lao	Posted - 2006.07.22 20:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Rigsta the Apoc has tremendous utility value with its bottomless cap. Quoted for stupidity.

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