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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.22 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: DayVV4lkEr on 22/07/2006 19:15:40
First of all this is no whineage (a Basilisk is not worth it)
Guess quite a bunch of ppl did see the Fight -V- against Fate of Weavers today.
Like u all remeber (that have seen the fight) the Basilisk waped out at one point but that wasn't because i wanted it that way it was because of a CTD.
My question now (that the Moderators of the Tournament should maybe think about) is:
Is the team that organizes the Tournament really objective ?
We have seen bending rules over and over changing rules from day to day.
I had a CTD and logged straight back in as soon as i was back i was popped by ISD. Waht should i do against a CTD ? ok ok maybe it would have been fair if u either transported me back to the system i came from (because FTW might have had a disadvantage not knowing that i'm still there) or popped me and gave me the ship back after the won fight but directly pop the ship and not give it back ?
We have seen ppl on this tournament that warped out and still got their ships only because they didn't log in again and their team won. We have seen extended fights (till one side was dead what took quite long because when they extended the tank was still hlding as it was on the second extention) and we have seen ended fights with faction BS deep in structure where the BS was saved (on the next day).
I don't want to offend anyone and say they do it on purpose but even if they don't do it on purpose it might have a bad taste.
I don't even want my Basilisk back it is ok the way it is i just want ppl start thinking about it ....
AND maybe it would be better if the team just would follow their own rules next time!
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.22 19:18:00 -
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buhu?
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
buhu?
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Kyria Timeyu
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:43:00 -
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The tournament just confirmed my opinion that game events are little more than excuses for GMs to give expensive gifts to favored players.
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Moghydin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Moghydin on 22/07/2006 21:00:03
Originally by: Kyria Timeyu
The tournament just confirmed my opinion that game events are little more than excuses for GMs to give expensive gifts to favored players.
Who knows if you're right, but having 2 BoBs competing in the tournament is weired
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin
Edited by: Moghydin on 22/07/2006 21:00:03
Originally by: Kyria Timeyu
The tournament just confirmed my opinion that game events are little more than excuses for GMs to give expensive gifts to favored players.
Who knows if you're right, but having 2 BoBs competing in the tournament is weired
There are a lot resurrected, or even specificly created, alliances in this tournament, so what ?
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 22/07/2006 21:37:31
I am obviously biased. Still I ll voice my opinion: Since ISD were able to determine that it was indeed a ctd there was obviously no reason to pop that ship. Him ctding conferred an advantage ( a big one) to the opponent (though they still lost) and that became obvious in the game.... Why shouldnt you be able to reconnect and continue with the fight? Why should a ctd confer a penalty?
Personnaly I dont understand it...
As to the boo hoo comments... to put it nicely... just die (tomorrow)
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:42:00 -
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I think it's one of those situations where there has to be strict adherence to the rules - if you make exceptions even if it's seemingly a disadvantage you complicate stuff and make it more open to cries of 'h4x'
(if that doesnt make sense, i've just got in from having a few beers, apologies).
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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
I think it's one of those situations where there has to be strict adherence to the rules - if you make exceptions even if it's seemingly a disadvantage you complicate stuff and make it more open to cries of 'h4x'
(if that doesnt make sense, i've just got in from having a few beers, apologies).
The only thing i want is same rules for everyone not a from case to case solution
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kyria Timeyu
The tournament just confirmed my opinion that game events are little more than excuses for GMs to give expensive gifts to favored players.
they'de risk their jobs to give their friends some shiny new pixels?
remember GMs are paid employees of CCP or Siminn / whoever - would you risk you're livilihood?
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: DayVV4lkEr
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
I think it's one of those situations where there has to be strict adherence to the rules - if you make exceptions even if it's seemingly a disadvantage you complicate stuff and make it more open to cries of 'h4x'
(if that doesnt make sense, i've just got in from having a few beers, apologies).
The only thing i want is same rules for everyone not a from case to case solution
If there have been dicrepancies, then I would have to agree with you.
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Kyria Timeyu
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
they'de risk their jobs to give their friends some shiny new pixels?
remember GMs are paid employees of CCP or Siminn / whoever - would you risk you're livilihood?
There isn't much of a risk if you can't get caught. There is no independant review of referee decisions, no way for players to appeal and no public accountability for GMs. That's a breeding pool for corruption in any situation, especially in a non-accredited competition with a price money of $6000. (mothership divided by 100m a $15 timecard)
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
Originally by: DayVV4lkEr
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
I think it's one of those situations where there has to be strict adherence to the rules - if you make exceptions even if it's seemingly a disadvantage you complicate stuff and make it more open to cries of 'h4x'
(if that doesnt make sense, i've just got in from having a few beers, apologies).
The only thing i want is same rules for everyone not a from case to case solution
If there have been dicrepancies, then I would have to agree with you.
Truk's raven. The Rock pulled out of the tourney after that fight because the rules were adherred to in all subsequent matches, but his Raven was not returned despite that match not being called according to the rules.
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:14:00 -
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The match commentators were pretty sure you would be allowed to keep your ship because you did not warp off through choice.
If that is not the case, and you lost your ship, that sucks.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kyria Timeyu
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
they'de risk their jobs to give their friends some shiny new pixels?
remember GMs are paid employees of CCP or Siminn / whoever - would you risk you're livilihood?
There isn't much of a risk if you can't get caught. There is no independant review of referee decisions, no way for players to appeal and no public accountability for GMs. That's a breeding pool for corruption in any situation, especially in a non-accredited competition with a price money of $6000. (mothership divided by 100m a $15 timecard)
$6000 is about the price of one beer in Iceland. ok maybe 2.
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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
The match commentators were pretty sure you would be allowed to keep your ship because you did not warp off through choice.
If that is not the case, and you lost your ship, that sucks.
As far as i know it has been clarifyed in local (of RU-) that it was a CTD but i don't know who said it. Once again that is not the problem
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Moghydin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:37:00 -
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GM's are ppl who have their feelings too. I doubt there's lot of new players amongst GM's. Those GM's who were in game, were in game for a long time and they were in game with certain ppl for a long time. I'm sure that at vast majority of cases, the GM team is doing their work in an awsome way. But even during my relatively short (compared to some veterans) Eve carrier, I was a witness of an incident, where GM team took an unbelievable decision. I can't describe the situation too much as it's against the rules. I can only tell that it was during FE alliance vs The 5 war. Many ppl should know what I'm talking about.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.23 00:27:00 -
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actually i think is quite right to pop a ship who enter in the battlefield after a CTD...
that ship around can distract the opponents just by jumping in and ther's not much time to act or inquire what happened so to destroy the ship seem to me the most efficent way to deal with it...
you see a ship that should not be there you pop it asap to not influence the outcome of the combat.
said that i think that in a situation like that with a obvious CTD the player have all the rights to ask for a refund and seem quite strange it have not be done.
maybe try to petition or to bug a bit LeMonde it could be that a particular GM didn't know how to handle a certain situation as they had not directions to how to handle a thing like that.
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The Reporter
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Posted - 2006.07.23 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
buhu?
Maybe the guy has a point ..? Ohh wait your almighty BOB.
Take out your Billions of ISK implants and then fight Bobbett.
Then if you win it will be because of skill and strategy and not your wallet size.
Tournaments should not be won by wallet size, In fact in next years tournaments Implants should be banned.
JMHO
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Eeyore
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.23 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: The Reporter
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Tournaments should not be won by wallet size, In fact in next years tournaments Implants should be banned.
JMHO
I was under the impression what that was an Alliance tournament and as such , if your alliance can't get the isk for it, maybe it should not compete ?
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Reporter
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
buhu?
Maybe the guy has a point ..? Ohh wait your almighty BOB.
correct
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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.23 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: DayVV4lkEr on 23/07/2006 09:54:18
And nowthe GM team changed the rules for the semi-finals just so that IAC doesn't have to fight against BoB in the semi's ? WTF ????
Thought beer in iceland is expensive but you have to drink quite a lot of it!
So i guess no one would have cared if IAC won against KAOS or not because CCP will make it the way IAC likes it or what ?
Nice to see! IAC lost against KAOS so they finish second but KAOS didn't win against TRUST and IAC still got first in their bracket and now u changed the rules so it is the way IAC likes it ? No tell me this tournament is not buyable...
Guess that is just a big joke u are playing on all the eve-players! (especially on TRUST)
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sturmi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 10:27:00 -
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100% agree with DayVV4lkEr !!!
It is very disappointing, i cant find words for that !!!  
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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.23 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: DayVV4lkEr on 23/07/2006 10:37:28
BTW what did all the allys even take part for in this tourny ?
will ISD pop ships of BoB's and IAC's enemys to get them to the final ?
Is this all a big misunderstanding ?
Do u want ppl to scam bettings ? (like IAC did)
Is it enough to drink some beers with the GMs to win the tourny ?
BTW if u want ban me from forums and the game for this posts but u know what that will look like!
Ignorance is a bliss!
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Dracolich
North Star Networks
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.23 10:50:00 -
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I really don't understand this either. It was an obvious disadvantage, which levelled the match again. At least the right team won in the end.
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2006.07.23 10:56:00 -
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What exactly happened with IAC yesterday? I didn't watch the last few matches. What's the unfair thing?
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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.23 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: DayVV4lkEr on 23/07/2006 11:08:55
Originally by: Ling Xiao
What exactly happened with IAC yesterday? I didn't watch the last few matches. What's the unfair thing?
Ok from the start again:
First of all IAC lost against KAOS on purpose to get second in their group so they don't have to fight BoB in the semi-fianl (they wanted them in the final) they fitted miners and snowball launchers and have been betting on KAOS (that way they scammed 3 b)
That KAOS won against IAC meant that TRUST couldn't get trough under no circumstances (even if they would have won 5-0 against KAOS) now TRUST won against KAOS what IAC didn't expect and IAC got first in their group.
That means IAC would have had to fight against BoB on the semi-finals.
Now CCP (or the GM Team or whoever) changed the whole matchup that way that IAC and BoB can meet in the final first. exactly what IAC wanted. BUT the way it happend TRUST didn't have the chance to get trough some players where scammed because of insider betting the rules have been changed once again and that doesn't have a slightly bad taste anymore that just tastes like CCP wants a BoB vs IAC final!
And btw that is not the only rule changing or bendding it just looks like the GM Team does what it wants! (remind u of the ultimum extended raven fight and diffrent other situations)
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dalman
MASS
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Posted - 2006.07.23 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ling Xiao
What exactly happened with IAC yesterday? I didn't watch the last few matches. What's the unfair thing?
In the original schedule, BoB and IAC were lined up to meat in the semifinals if both won their groups.
IAC then 'folded' a match to end second in their group.
But it didn't work, as Trust beat Kaos after that and IAC still won their group, and was lined up to face BoB in semifinal.
But then the schedule has been changed, so now they're lined up to the final anyway.
Personally, I don't think this is reason for the change. It's just a **** up by whoever re-did that schedule by mistake.
More info to be found here.
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Tieger
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 11:15:00 -
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This is just rediculous  if they dont change it back, i`d want to see the other teams boycott the damn event.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: The Reporter
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
buhu?
Maybe the guy has a point ..? Ohh wait your almighty BOB.
Take out your Billions of ISK implants and then fight Bobbett.
Then if you win it will be because of skill and strategy and not your wallet size.
Tournaments should not be won by wallet size, In fact in next years tournaments Implants should be banned.
JMHO
hehe, at the end of this tournament we're gonna make you all sick at exactly how much winning it is gonna cost us.
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